Doctor Who - Horrors Of Mondas, Part 1 (Intense Cyberman Vids)
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- čas přidán 20. 02. 2022
- Trying to get to the bottom of the Cybermen origins on Mondas and how the Doctor was involved. The Chosen Chimp makes a pit stop at a wonderfully intense piece of Doctor Who media.
This video contains artwork by Martin Geraghty, and Tom Webster @tomwebsta.
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I betcha Mondas had a 'lets do cypermen' thing going on for a while as things got worse and worse, and the colony ship was part of the 'hey. lets maybe not do cypermen' camp. Once they got stuck there for almost a thousand years eventually those thoughts of 'can we do cypermen now, please' bubbled up. Betcha it's just something that Mondassian humans do, like how Earthling humans keep inventing dumplings.
I've honestly always preferred the Cybermen over the Daleks. They're much more fascinating, and a lot weirder. Daleks are just pepperpots that shout a lot
The lore is more interesting but I think that the daleks are cooler
Daleks are supreme! Cybermen are inferior lifeforms and mere pests
I just like anything that yells
Cybermen from the 60s are something special, indeed. They way they are menacingly in the background of the stories and are mainly silent, yet when they do speak it's with an eerie computerized voice. Nicholas Briggs' Cyberman series for Big Finish does a great job of recapturing that.
@@kennethraymondmoore still it makes sense how they devolep
For anyone wondering what the _Spare Parts_ timeloop is:
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The immune systems of human bodies reject cyber implants. However, after capturing the Doctor, the inventor of the Cybermen incorporates Time Lord biology into the conversion process that enables Cybermen to remain intact and function more efficiently.
And none of that would have happened if the Cybermen of the future hadn’t been such a threat that the Doctor felt motivated to interfere and get captured.
Which, depressingly, probably means that the Doctor didn’t even delay the Cybermen - he was *always* part of their history.
The og Mondasian Cybermen are some of the freakiest creatures to have ever come from Dr. Who, and in my humble opinion, they beat the Cybus Cybermen in so many regards. The ones from Cybus, while emotionless, have this sense of pride and grandeur to them. Hell, in their introduction it's like "yeah, we got this shit down to a science, if you don't join you're an idiot", and it was all because of one madman, but in the original introduction of the Cybermen in The Tenth Planet, you know something went horribly wrong for most, if not all of the Mondasians to end up this way.
It was more down to the creator John Luminic who was an egoist. The conversion process was simple a signal sent out to ear pieces which everyone had which quite frankly had removed a piece of people’s humanity and they would start lining up like lambs to the slaughter. The scene where the Doctor hits one with an EMP and the fully human brain is awakened is disturbing. The John Luminic cybermen can be as quiet as they want to ambush targets or loud as they want to intimidate.
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YES! So much creepier! Cybus Cybermen are fine, i have nothing against them as a reoccurring enemy…but at the end of the day, they are kinda just a humanoid robot with a distaste for ‘worthless emotions’, we have seen this same thing THOUSANDS of times. Mondasian Cybermen, on the other hand, are CLEARLY what their backstory claims, humans who have been tortured, operated on, and had their humanity stripped away, only time turn around and do the same to others in a VICIOUS cycle.
I love the concept that Cybermen seem to be an inevitability for every civilization. Not the end goal, but rather that there will always be at leaat a faction of people that wish to get rid of their emotions and become machines. And then these individual sects or cells of cyberpeople inevitably interact with others and combine, swapping technological advancements and upgrading each other. Like the Borg, except instead of having a single starting point and going outward, they just sort of pop up and then grow into each other like two trees planted really close together. It makes them more terrifying because you can't really divert their origins, and there's no guarantee they won't come back in the future if you defeat them in the past.
To this day, Spare Parts is still in my top 5 all time Who stories. It’s sad to find out that they brought it on themselves out of sheer desperation and there’s not a thing that can be done about it. The Cybermen make more sense in writing & audio. The VNA, Iceberg & the BBC book, Illegal Alien, really give their backstory depth.
Sad sad story.
I love Spare Parts so much. And World Enough and Time/ The Doctor Falls. I just love it when they lean into the converting of humans side of things with the horror side of it racked up to 11 and a ½
Cybermen. The ONLY Doctor who villain/creature we could stupidly make ourselves into. They are my 'favorite nightmare' in writing Doctor Who fan-fic...
I mean... The Daleks were based off the Nazis...
I think the Parallel evolution really helps clear up the cyberman origin stuff. And can be the excuse of why there's contradictions
Daleks will always be my favourite, (even if they are just big pepperpots with death lasers), but the Cybermen have always been extremely fascinating.
I've been looking into them more because of your videos, The Archive Tapes was an amazing recommendation and now I have something new to dive into with the Spare Parts audio drama
Awesome video, can't wait for the next part
Thanks for the kind words. Next ep will drop beginning of next week.😁🙂🐵
Imagine a Black Mirror style series that focuses on Mondas and how the Cyberman gradually come to be.
The Tenth Planet = The episode that changed Doctor Who forever.
New series Doctor Who is pretty tame compared to the original series, but I have to say The Doctor Falls was a great episode and genuinely scary. The scene in the ward with the half converted cyberman tapping the pain button was particularly chilling!
As for the original series, I can only imagine how terrifying Tomb of the Cybermen must have been for kids back in the day. The new series definitely needs to bring a bit more fear and a sense of peril back into the show to keep it fresh.
Tame my arse need I remind you of the River Song arc, Silence if the Library, Empty Child/Doctor dances, Water of Mars, Midnight, The Girl in the fireplace, Blink are.
John Luminic’s cybermen are perfect the world these days regarding large companies and their influence especially tech.
I wonder what Mondas was like climate wise before it became an ice ball and what sort of life forms existed on it? After all, if its continents are upside down version of Earth's continents, then there's going to be major differences in its climate, habitats and lifeforms from Earth.
As a christopher eccleston onwards guy I do gotta love the fact that what happened on skaro was similar but different on mondas making the daleks and cybermen two very similar cousins one exclaiming exterminate every five seconds the other was ultimately reduced to the word delete for a while...
The original ones were so uncanny because I always saw them as being the darker reflections of humanity if we eradicate what makes us human, leaving nothing but husks barely resembling humans
The scary thing about cybermen is that they didn't appear suddenly. The path to that hell was paved, stone by stone by good intentions. Makes me wonder if that's how we'll end up inevitably. We're already chronically online with out earbuds always In...
Brilliant, so wonderfully written and presented. I always thought the Cybermen were more at home with themselves as a narrative concept within the Troughton era, paradoxically not because of them but them next to the wildly over emotive second Doctor. All that cyber atonal stillness colliding with the whirlwinding madnesses of Pats out there, bonkers performance, makes them make more storytelling sense to me. There’s a dramatic double-act thing going on, for me, Troughton’s rip-rapping Doctor illustrates the Cybermen’s deathly nothingness like no other Doctor can. I particularly love The Invasion and The Doctors relationship to Tobias Vaughn, Troughton is amazing in those final office scenes, so completely The Doctor, with half human/cyber Vaughn being the perfect foil for all that particular incarnation so wonderfully was. Gx
Thank and you yes, I agree. Troughton was often the perfect Cyberman juxtapose.🙂🐵
@@TheChosenChimp favourite cybermen are the John Luminic cybermen the originals that is as the body horror is still there just more evolved as everyone wears earpieces made by John Luminic which controls them and are used to initiate the conversion process. Might I remind of the bit where homeless people sleeping rough are taken away to become cybermen and when they try to escape when they realise their fate with looks of terror. Or the cyberman whose inhibitor chip was fried by an emp and the human underneath the suit came back harrowing stuff. I may add the conversion scenes.
Yes I loved Spare Parts although it makes for uncomfortable listening in parts. I own a copy of the Banks hardback book that gave rise to the archive tapes . Crazy origin stories-possibly rhe Dr Who special or maybe the Fasa rpg Cybermen supplement?
i do wander if the idea of cybermen occurred to davros or the daleks?
Dalek sec hybrid's feeble body could have been taken and converted, not the best idea sec, developing your new dalek society 70 years before the cyberman invasion you fought in 2007
It was amazingly fresh when the half faced man turned himself from a robot to a human piece by piece , nice reversal
i just remembered, robocop 2 pretty much made cybermen in a different way remember that brain/spine in the tank scene?
But given what we know about the afterlife in the dr who universe thanks to torchwood being a cyberman would still be preferable to that, what happens every time someone dies in this show good or bad they go to the deepest hell imaginable one where there is nothing but blackness and you can see it all alone forever, its harrowing further still
Spare parts was very good audio the puppet master pulling the strings terrifying great video
Thank you.🙂🐵
Thanks for the upload, Chosen Chimp.
Well there’s my lifetimes nightmares sorted.
Ah Marc Platt, there’s the connection you alluded to
Correct sir!😁🐵
One of the most disturbing, and well conceived double-episode stories.
I found spare parts both exciting and frightening in equal measure and was the best who tv story "never seen", but I also really enjoyed "world enough and time" - poor old bill
Real same they wiped the tapes
3:19 David Banks wasn't just an audience member he was the actor that played the Cyber leader during the 1980s
this video was chilling great job
Thank you. Glad you liked it.🙂🐵
I'm curious about how Mondas spun out of orbit. What caused this planet to shift its rotation and start eternally floating throughout space?
As a Polish woman I feel really insulted when someone says Spare Parts isn't a metaphor for historical communist parties. My parents and grandparents lived in a time when Poland was part of the USSR, and from the stories they told me, and the movies we watched, it really was like that. The winters were freezing, and there was no food in stores. Everything was dreary, concrete, and ordinary people were just wasting their lives and youths away in factories with nothing to show for it. And the government really was this shadowy committee that made people disappear for speaking up against the state. You couldn't trust your own neighbour.
Edit: I think capitalism is evil, and Poland nowadays is way too right wing, citing the old system as an example of how awful socialist movements are, but USSR was a dictatorship, not a true communist state.
poland was never part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
@@israelramos8828 It technically wasn't regarded as part of the Union, but it was a satellite state, which meant USSR held a 'protectorate' over Poland, and would invade if it ever tried to gain proper independence.
@@HiperPivociarzle the John Luminic cybermen are the perfect allegory for fascism.
People are stripped of their individualism while believing it is for their glory (the body horror starts with the ear pieces only minutes in), it is a corporatocracy with one man making the ear pieces John Luminic, it is a police state with movement controlled and the army policing the population of the UK (this could be a reference to operation banner and the clockwork orange plot) and the triumphalism of the leadership before and after of the releasing of the cybermen who can be as quiet if they want to ambush or loud as they want to intimidate. The suits are designed to be the perfect war machine other than the daleks as they are resistant to gold dust, bullets with emp’s and energy weapons capable of taking them down and destruction of their inhibitor chips.
The ear pieces broadcast information and entertainment with one scene showing every person who lives there with ear pieces stopping to laugh in the street. There is also people being killed as they are not compatible with conversion which is a reference to the T4 programme and other eugenics programmes along with with John Lumic’s perversion with perfection and his serious illness is a reference to the Nazis.
@@israelramos8828 on paper Poland was its own thing, in reality though it was more of a puppet country entirely dependent from USSR. Similar thing can be told about Grand Duchy of Poland from years 1807 to 1815.
It's a polish government's fault, lol
This was great Chimp. 👍 Really upping your game. loving these more serious tone history of deep dives. Still keep up the funny ones though…still waiting for a full “Unit Doing Stuff Vid” Seriously really nice. spare parts was brilliant. Shame World enough and time is the only story to come close to the horrific nature of the creation of the Cybermen on screen in all these years. age of Steel just didn’t cut it for me.
Thanks and don’t worry, I got plenty more silly vids lined up. Just filling my seasonal quota of creepy cyber stuff.😁😁🐵🐵
Beautiful work as always Sir Chimp! This is exactly what I had in mind when I brought it up awhile back. Thank you so much for making it and doing such a wonderful job!
In other news, I realized Mondas spelled backwards is Sad Nom. Which I can only assume is when someone gets the feels real bad and eats all the ice cream straight from the container. 🤣
Thanks again Sir Chimp! 😁👍 🙉
Thank you as always, and for highlighting a rare connection between Cybermen and ice cream.😂😂🐵
having watched this I now bloody adore the cybermen now almost as much as the daleks but the daleks are still supreme to me
Spare Parts is so good, I remember listening to it for the first time and it still gives me chills
Age of Steel wishes it could be a 10th as good as Spare Parts; hell I cant even remember the other title of Age of Steel and I just heard it. No staying power. Spare Parts I have and will listen too again Age of Steel is very much a one and done.
Seeing Downtime there makes me want a Chosen Chimp breakdown of this home video release.
they should make a movie about mondas and how it unfolds. A movie without the doctor and the definitive cybermen genesis story
i feel like this is our future as well.
One thing about the undergrund cities in Spare Parts..... Mondas may have had Silurians once and thats where they built their cities.
Holy shit that makes so much sense….the question is, did the silurians die because Mondas cooling or did the humans forcibly remove them
hello chosenchimp the OG Cybermen were ever so creepy
Almost like what’s happening now.
the mondasian cybermen are so disturbing i swear it reminds me of metallicas one and i dont know why
Always wondered about the Mondas origins. Why did it leave orbit? Was it the same asteroid that caused the Silurians to go into hibernation and ended up becoming the moon? [makes sense like a snooker ball hitting the two] Were they in contact with the Ice Warriors on Mars. Where else did they go with their propulsion unit? Were there any humanoid dissidents to escaped? The Colony ship makes no sense, why didnt they just move to higher floors where there was greenery.
I suspect because of the time dilation it took a very long time for the lift to return back to the lower floors
No problem with the various names of the planet. We would state our planet of origin as Earth. Jean-Luc Picard would call it 'la Terre' or 'le Monde'. A German 'die Erde'. In other words there is no definitive name for our planet. It depends where you are on it
What's the background music at 3:50 please.
Intense Vids??
i would like to see Mondas in doctor who tv show
5:58 Can I have the title of the comic please?
I mean most of us if given the choice of life as a cyborg or death, would choose cyborg
Thats why Cybermen pop up time and time again
But Pete’s world was perfectly fine.
Google earth, flip it, you get mondas,
I wish all the monsters could beat the doctor, .
You said 1976 there first appearance was 1966
Sorry to correct, but I did say '66'.🙂
Its a pity that new who destroyed the cybermen with the stupid 'upgrade' magic ablity stolen from the star trek 'Borg' (which admitedly were stolen cybermen from dr who).It made them too powerful (with a stupid non logical overpowered ability), where as the Daleks correctly said , the cybermen were the rats that hide in the cracks in the universe. At least the daleks had many (far too many) weaknesses. Its also never really certain how much of the cybermen is actually flesh.
Earth today is turning into Mondas. Elon Musk wants us to have chips in our heads??? Freaks me out
I have SPARE PARTS- classic from BIG FINlSH. TERRIFYING!