Hans Larsen's Unique Falling Block Rifles
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2017
- Hans Larsen was a very successful competitive marksman (World Champion, in fact) and gunsmith in Norway in the late 1800s. He, and later his company, made a wide variety of guns, from revolving rifles and muzzleloaders to cartridge breechloaders and repeating rifles.
Larsen's target and sporting rifles were quite popular in Norway until the adoption of the Krag-Jorgensen (against which Larsen unsuccessfully competed for Norwegian military contracts). As the new Krag took over the Norwegian target shooting community, Larsen's older designs slowly faded in popularity. The rifles are quite rare here in the United States.
This example is a single shot falling block action using Larsen's unique design.
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Hans Larsen`s apprentice was Erik Jørgensen wich is the guy behind the Jørgensen part of the Krag-Jørgensen name
Ian should take a trip to Norway and ask the Maihaugen museum to have a look at their revolver that is said to be one of the oldest in the world. Its amazing workmanship by a German gunsmith and from 1597.
Rustknuckle Irongut I doubt theyd let him anywhere near it never mind handling it, but if anyone has the knowledge and care to do it its be ian! I would love to see that and I think its be the most valuable firearm on the channel. Potentially the most valuable Ian has ever handled, but I wouldn't like to assume that be true, goodness knows what he's had the chance to be around!
You would be surprised what we let famous/important/nice/dangerous foreigners do in Norway. We even let the Top Gear guys jump a Mini Cooper(old type) off an Olympic ski jump hill and back in the forties we even let a bunch of Germans run the government and oppress our people for a while.
Mot betaling så kan vi nordmenn gjøre så å si hva som helst.
this revolver might be the oldest once, but just as we have seen in the videos about how some auctions have ended, popularity is much more important than age.
We have seen 200 year old needlefire masterpieces with the most exquisit engravings go for 5digit numbers and Frist and second world war service pistols go for 6 figure numbers.
Its just like art, trends come and go, and church art that was super valuable around 200-2002 is now unsellable for those prices that were quoted back then
eberbacher007 Important for what? We aren't buying it, we're interested in its history, design and anything else Ian can glean about it for us. We don't care if it's $50 of $5M.
"sold for $1,725"
Someone got a steal.
It’s been bored out so it not in its original configuration. That is why it went for cheap.
@@TinkerTailorSoldier1 wonder how much a original configuration would fetch
@@a1fromdisc432 probably 5k-10k
One of the most pleasant youtubers to listen to.
Staal (current: stål) means steel, so manufacturing material info directly on the product. ;-)
It looks like an art piece, and it got sold for $1725? Someone is very lucky.
thats insane i would have out bid that 2x haha
I like how the stock comes all the way out to the muzzle. I always find that style aesthetically pleasing.
That "Tiger Stripe" grain stock is beautiful.
cptreech First thing I noticed about it. Absolutely gorgeous.
cptreech
I think it’s perhaps a kind of birch called «masurbjørk»/«valbjørk». It’s just regular birch trees that has an genetical error that forms beautiful patterns in the wood.. You’ll see this type of wood used in both Swedish and Finnish guns as well.. 😊
«Flammebjørk» is another name for it as well (translates to «flamebirch»).
The Nordic countries have such interesting gun designs.
They imported a bunch of non whites,, so no worries, they won't be putting out anything interesting anymore
@@jonathangarzon2798 The ignorance is strong with this one.
@@jonathangarzon2798 Jesus dude, people are people. Please stop thinking of us in terms of shades of colour. You're not doing anyone any favours. Immigrants come from all over, and they're more than welcome up here as long as they don't kill anyone.
wtf
I was just going to say the south African guns are wayy more interesting
@@jonathangarzon2798 in the spirit of your tasteless comment ill bring it up a notch and say, plenty of moving targets make good marksmen and by experience better rifles, now go cry jerking somewhere else
Beautiful gun, just the right amount of detail and an interesting system of operations. It could still be built today with many calibers possible and still fit into the shooting scene even today.
This is one of the must beautiful rifles I have seen on your program.
this is the kind of stuff that I subscribed for. Great Content!
Wow, that's a really beautiful piece. I normally don't like any decorations on guns as they are tools, but this really stands out as tastefully done whilst not impacting on the firearms function.
They are tools. I collect vintage tools, hammers, paper cutters, sheet metal presses, drill presses, etc. They're still tools.
And i didn't realize you where this dense.
That's rich. "where" this dense. Over "their"?
I'd love to see this fresh out of the workshop. Because there's no way that they'd make this with subpar materials, it would look magnificent.
I love your show , you show rifles, shotguns and pistols most of us would never know existed
I don't know how any of his videos have thumbs down, afaik he hasn't released any low quality videos as long as I've been watching. His videos are always very informative and well produced.
That is an absolutely gorgeous gun! You can tell that it was designed by a serious shooter.
Ian has these videos coming out full auto!
I found some ifo about Mr Larsen on a Norwegian website:
He was Shooting King in 1862, and in 1868 he won fifteen prizes at the International Sagittarius Conference in Vienna, where he is said to have impressed Emperor Franz II Joseph of Austria-Hungary.
During the shooting, he used his self-constructed firing pin rifel. Emperor Frantz Josef was very excited about the shooting Hans Larsen delivered, and made him do a show in rapid fire.
Larsen then fired 53 shots in 3 minutes, while the emperor stood next to him and watched. All the shots were good hits.
It is said that the emperor later called him up to the castle and wanted to buy the rifle, yes he went so far as to offer to weigh it up with gold, but Larsen did not want to part with it. [2]
I am Norwegian. its just so fascinating too me to learn that we actually had very talented gunsmiths in our country that i never hear about in school (thank you so much for making the videos btw).. i mean our pr is all about being a peace loving country blablabla but how can they not teach us about the awesome guns we made in the past and just tell us about the fucking chesse cutter(ostehøvel)
its not a misstake....
It must be said that even though military guns or similar may look scary and are "built for killing" they don't have to be used in a such a way. In fact many "sports guns" are more lethal, accurate and easier to use than military ones, but are not adopted by the military for reasons of role, technical or political.
A weapon is dangerous no matter what it was designed to do and the same can be said for many other things like knives, hammers and cars.
Ruby Do you not see beauty in a simple product executed well? I'm a fan of austere functionality. For a non-firearm example I'd much rather have a 4WD F350 diesel with white paint, roll up windows, and vinyl floors than a fully loaded Lincoln Town Car in black.
Ruby I'm glad that we both see beauty in functionality. But I disagree with the worldview that recognizes "weapons" as a separate class of technology in the first place.
To find examples I did a little digging online. I found that the very foundations of digital computing are rooted in the Manhattan Project. In addition the Internet owes its existence to ARPANET, another military innovation. It doesn't matter if a technology is designed in wartime or peacetime. If it's effective it will be used during both war and peace.
I'd like you to perform a thought experiment for me. Take a long, slow look around you and ask yourself how many items in that one room could be weaponized simply by picking them up with intent to use them as weapons. I suspect you'll come to the same conclusion I have. The *only* weapon on Earth is the human mind, and it's the only weapon man will ever need.
look up Fidjeland and what he designed and built that was later copied without his approval .
This is a great example of something that looks functional but also aesthetically pleasing. Too bad there's a crack in the stock, otherwise that thing looks great.
The hammer that slips is my biggest concern. Not fit to handle ammunition in any circumstance. Just mantel piece.
@@nagasako7 dude. Shut up
@@dugpet2916 Fuck off 2018.
Today Larsen is mostly known for his Larsen diopter for the Krag-Jørgensen M94, those are in use in competitions here in Norway amongst the older shooters that doesn't compete enough to justify buying a Sauer wich is the new standard rifle for the DFS program.
That had to be a gorgeous rifle in its day.
lovely looking rifle!
If i looked it up right it would use a .577/500 No.2 Black powder Express. Really interesting. Really cool video Ian.
Beautiful rifle,
Very tastefully done.....
when did you get nearly half a million subs? congrats mate
such a beautiful long arm. I love the combination of minimalist incised knotwork on the metalwork and the lovely chequering with the acanthus motif. So tasteful. I bet that chequering feels great in the hand, it looks deep and sharp. The butt stock has such beautiful figure. A hundred years ago that was someone's pride and joy wasn't it?
This made me happy. :)
Eight minutes ago. THATS SOME Quality STUFF IAN.
I really like Your video’s. I like the style of this rifle . I wish this type of rifle were made in 22 cal and other caliber’s . Just a good collectible shooter .
Beautiful Rifle
I've never seen oval rifling in person. Would you be able to see the spiral by looking down the bore while shining a light down the muzzle at a small angle? Or is it too shallow for that?
Must've been a pretty rifle in its younger days. Pity whomever owned it didn't take care of it to its proper standards...
gorgeous rifle
I could see Ihsahn of Emperor stringing this and writing an album.
Has any of Larsen's revolving rifles gone through James D. Julia or Rock island auctions before? I'm just curious how soon we might be able to see that video.
when are you doing the Kammerlader Ian?
Woop woop Larsen!
Could this unique rifle have some form of oval/ polygonal rifling in a .577 Snider/.577/500 type of cartridge? If it is still a rifle, could it also fire 24 ga. shot shells also? I have a CZ pistol with a polygonal rifled barrel that is amazingly accurate at 25 yards, and the bore looks smooth to the naked eye. Interesting rifle design and beautiful wood.
This may not have been a military rifle, but I like how the wood is almost all the way to the muzzle like it could have been.
What a beautiful rifle. It looks like a rifle version of an old 1700 century ship.
My granddad has one of these. Really nice rifle.
Looking at how that lever moved I'm surprised they didn't have it cock the hammer at the same time,for instance having a protrusion on the side of the hammer the lever acted on
If it were a rifle built for speed or combat, probably. But for shooting matches, why add complexity?
Drammen means "the dram". A dram is a shot or a drink of something strong. The saying goes "What's worse: An hour in Drammen, or one dram per hour?"
6:28 LOL, was that a suppressed hiccup or a sneeze or what? :D
"Staal" is norwegian for steel (in modern writing its written "stål" -two As make an å)
this is a dream gun
My great grandfather was a Larsen from Norway. I wonder if there's a relation? Probably a long stretch, but that would be pretty cool.
Hah! Larsen is an extremely common leftover name from when they transitioned to using family names instead of paternal names. It simply means "son of Lars", Lars being a common name. Petersen, Gustafson, Olsen, Nilsen (and many others) follow the same pattern. It´s not exactly elegant x)
Like I said... it's a long stretch.
As a Norwegian, I am entitled to leave a like!
AND WE HAVE TO LOVE SKIING CAUSE WE ARE NORWEGIAN!!
I like the toned down engraving.
unrelated question to the video, but does anyone have the common bullet lengths for 308 and 50 cal bullets. And i don't mean the overall round but the projectile. Because i can't find a clear info on this. All i have right now is that common 50 cal bullets seem to vary in length from 2 inches out to about 2.25 inches for normal bullets. But i'm not sure if that info is correct or not, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
John J the .50bmg projectile I have in front of me is 2.25 inches and pulled 7.62x51projectiles from different years just measured from 1.12 to 1.16
thank you man, that helps me a lot. because i'm trying to design a magazine fed air rifle that can use normal rifle bullets and cast ones. Thus as you can imagine these length matter a lot.
John J I just pulled a projectile from .50bmg PSD 05 headstamp cartridge and it measures 3.05 inches. then I grabbed 18 fired projectiles from a pile of them from WW2 anti-aircraft training that were fired into the air and they measure all over the place from 2.248 to 2.296. not sure how much firing them changes the length but they still shoot good enough that I know a guy who buys them and reloads for his semiautomatic M2 Browning. I checked 9 pulled bullets from 7.62x51 and they were from 1.108 to 1.172. I have noticed that they were different lengths before but I never measured them. that would be pretty cool to have an air gun they could fire a normal projectiles I hope it works out
Those numbers help me a lot, because now i know for sure 308 can be used (all be it, only usable for hunting deer and boar at the 220-230 grain bullet weight ranges) and 50 cal is as i thought just a bit to long. Even so i'm tempted to just change things, and drop the lever action for gas operate. Just so i can get that extra room for it to open up and thus get the 50 cal bullets to fit.
the flame in that wood on the stock is sexy
i want one!!!
Either way, that's a gorgeous rifle.
The Norse countries have very interesting designs in guns!
The sights are in "alen" not meters or yards. One "alen" equals two Norwegian feet. In metrics it measures 627,5mm or ca 0.63m. So 800 alen is no more than 500m, so then the sights starts to make sense.
trodde vi bare hadde kongsgård våpenfabrikk... det var vist også en fabrikk i Drammen.
do you ever think you'll get a chance to look at a Krag-Petersson?
Does the engraving give you a tactical advantage?
TheHitoriShinobi No. But your enemies will make sure it goes to a good home instead of using it to pound tent legs. That counts for something, right?
veryberrykeri not unless you plan to sell it at auction.
hey Ian, do you, or in fact any of the folks in the comments, know what the most valuable firearm you've ever done a video on?
Even more interesting, what's the most valuable firearm you've personally handled? This one goes for anyone who reads this, I'm curious what you've all had the chance to handle!
How damaged is the value of a weapon like this since its been converted to a smoothbore?
My grandpa has one of these
What a beautiful rifle. Clearly made by a firearms conesour.
hi, Love your videos! would this be a U.S. patent? or? and how would I find it?
They were converted to smoothbore and sold as smoothbore due to our laws on rifles in nordic countrys i believe its 24 or 28gauge same parent case as used for martini henry cases
@Ben Dover might be not up on the imperial casesizes but know that we load these using same brass shotshell case that we form the 577 cases for martini from just cant remember the gauge
@Ben Dover exactly what im sayin but just cant remember the gauge but know it is same as the shotguncase we use to form 577 cases from
anti-gun laws suck moose dick & generally lack basis in reality ...
Hang on. Drammen had a gun manufacturer?
#proud_of_my_city.
Oh my, another Norweginyan gun. :3c
It's around 05:50 Arizona Time where you're at when posted. Don't you guys sleep?
IDeO James D. Julia is in Fairfield Maine. it'd be, what, three hours later there than in AZ?
For a piece like this it will be a bargain if it actually goes for the price range shown in the auction
I want it.
Eventually we will run out of Forgotten Weapons, gun jesus...
nagasako7 you can run out of well known forgotten weapons (like the G11), but there are too many obscure guns to cover in a lifetime.
We just gonna glaze over the Colt-Walker that was sold for $920,000???
It's nice to se an american that know more about norwegian guns than norwegian shooters:P
Is this rifle not a tilting block design?
looks like a modernized M/ 1842 kammerlader rifle
As the first comment tried to formulate, there is nothing political about being drawn to firearms for their craftsmanship, and indeed because of the tremendous power they yield. That notion of a gun in every man's hand as a basic human right however, is a completely different issue. It is an american phenomenon, it is not easily understood by outsiders. And how could they? 53000 gun violence incidents in 2015 alone. Of course its a problem and of course you would not logically want to be unarmed or unprepared. On the other hand, gun violence in Norway is practically non existent. So why does a norwegian need a gun? To protect his family? The police does not even carry guns! Two completely different scenarios.
Jacob yeah it's really comparing apples to oranges in these situations. I mean I can fully understand why in the USA people would want to be suitably armed to the standards they could expect an attacker to be, I mean with more guns than people in the USA (that is known) I can completely understand the whole self defence side of things. As for stuff like hunting and sports, well a lot of countries in the western world especially have little to no reason to need to hunt to survive like how some people need to in certain areas of the USA or in countries with more wilderness and little to poor infrastructure; now sports is totally different story and that just simply falls under personal tastes and funding so the fact that there may not be a lot of people who want to spend a lot of money and time on a sport is understandable.
US is ridden with violence because it's a county full of "undesirables". It's nice to have a social security and well-established welfare state when you only tolerate "master race". Tens of millions fled the Nordic countries towards the US in late XIX and early XX centuries because as far their governments cared, they could die of hungry. With them, the problems of joblessness, homelessness, poverty, social disparity, etc... went away.
America on the other hand welcomed all, with free land if they want to farm or rights to work if they preferred cities. In America, everyone was welcome (except if they were native Americans, that's it) no one was expelled in a way of "flee or die of poverty". Much on the contrary, people had a welcome environment to put their skills at use.
If America got rid of some of its population deemed as poor or undesirable now, and then started to bribe the rest of the population left to follow the political correctness agenda (that is what welfare state really is, including that huge oil fund of Norway), Western Europe would be the one looking like a dangerous place.
Guns are fine and everyone of good mind should have the right of owning one with little bureaucracy if they want.
I wonder if a modern reproduction in .30-30 or .45-70 would sell well...
I would buy it! 🤓🍻
the 'stall' means steel
Ian, how come Karl doesn't have one?
Staal just means steel
Sounds like you got a touch of that cold that's going around AZ right now.
Yurigora Isn't he in Maine right now? The James Julia sign being him says Maine at least.
Calvin O'Blenis Silly me. Him currently being in Maine negates the fact that he hails from AZ.
Yurigora Should I surmise from your sarcasm that this cold has been going around Arizona for a while?
Calvin O'Blenis Lol, yeah. Sadly it has been. All over the valley, unfortunately. Ian sounds like a lot of my friends ATM.
Yurigora
I know I've got that bug. Luckily, I only ever seem to get a weaker version of what other people get. Genetically gifted I guess.
What happened at 6:27 lol.
A Norwegian gun maker by the name of Rusty Shackelford
NORGE NORGE NORGE
How is that Norwegian firearm designs frequently have very unique and interesting features? :D
J J Easy, the norwegian populace has very unique and interesting features, so why wouldn't the guns mirror that? Just a shame there's no current small arms manufacturers.
Every country has had plenty of one off extremely unique firearm designs. Usually, the most practical design is the most common one that ends up being remembered because all the others fade into obscurity.
J J I think one of the reasons is that pre 1900 Norway was one of the most isolated countrys in Europe. We was and still is very decentralized nation with few cities, towns or villages. Because of that gunsmiths didn't have much knowledge of what happening in the rest of the world and they come up with their own solutions for their needs.
A Norwegian ‘en?
Died 2 years after out indipendence thats a Ooof.
*Swells with Norwegian pride
At least wore gloves for professional inspection, to preserve.
I live in Drammen
Stupid battle pacific add made me think battlestations pacific came back
how can you tell from an original rifle to a reproduction
R Cloud the oxidation of metal not rust but patena and markings and other little details
Things like this is what still makes me proud to be Norwegian... Even though today's media is against european pride. :/
BF1 needs this.
Its for hunting trolls
I live in Drammen xD
Samme her as, hvor i Drammen bor du?
Åskollen dude
Jaha, Konnerud her ;)
Haha nice!
Scawer Ja as :)
Btw, the amount of interest from norwegian commenters here really says something about how the love of guns don't necessarily mean you have to be of a particular political inclination. Am i right america?
Jacob Absolutely agree, well said!
Jacob Absolutely agree, well said!
I see tons of comments on these videos from non-Americans. Oddly, some of them both love his videos but still have no interest in fighting for their right to own firearms.
Well, perhaps while they love the information about the firearms, they, like me, see no reason to sink that much income into things they will have little to no practical use for. If you're not going to bother, then there's no need to defend that right.
+wayne heern Is it normal in your country to only defend rights that directly impact yourself?
pliss more Norwegians stuffs ;3 if u no have the gun it self just go over the blueprints of them :3 better than nothing :3 Norway is bes way :p
Ian>Karl