IL2 - Head Tracking vs VR | A Discussion/Rant About Optimisation
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- čas přidán 7. 02. 2021
- I've played IL2 for nearly 18 months now, and yet I have only uploaded three videos on it so far, this is why.
Normally I like to focus my content on VR gameplay in combat sims like War Thunder, Elite Dangerous, IL2 etc. But with IL2 it has felt like an impossible task. It is nigh on impossible to get the game running smoothly in VR whilst recording at the same time, it just doesn't work.
I play IL2 a lot when not recording, and I can manage a decent performance in VR, but it is nothing compared to the performance I get with head tracking. Its to be expected, the game is running on relatively old software; and if all you are interested in is the immersion then IL2 in VR will be a lot of fun for you. But if you are like me, and you like to be competitive in dogfights etc, then the VR performance is unacceptable - and for now I shall only be using a headtracker when making future IL2 content, which is a shame.
Some people have been able to get pretty good performance with VR in IL2, and I've followed all the forum advice to no avail - from the comments on the forums it seems very hit and miss, and I'm not the only one dissapointed.
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although this vid is a year old ive been looking at getting into flight sims, especially IL2 and was weighing up getting a VR headset, Joystick etc and the cost was just too excessive. Then i found vids about TrackIR and this seems like a real cheaper and easier option that is extremely effective. Thanks for this vid, coming from someone who uses both it was good to weigh up the pros and cons
Ive played these games since 2005. I don’t have VR, but spotting is one of the many reasons I play War Thunder air sim by preference abs haven’t touched Il-2 BoX in months. I’ve played Aces High, Rise of Flight, DCS, and BoX. RoF was a revelation when I first played it,BoS was my favorite thing ever, but they “improved” BoX/Flying Circus until they now are bleh. I tried WT sim with very low expectations after being into tanks for several years and was shocked at how much it put the fun back in flight sims for me. Sometimes I even fly around just looking at the scenery and doing aerobatics. I love it, and I’m glad to know it works well if someday I try VR.
I’ll straight up say this too: The WT community is less pretentious than other games of this type.
I very much agree
Excellent review on the subject. Thank you for this. Creature259
This video helped me decide to just get track Ir for great battles it’s been a great investment!
I use the track IR w/the hat clip. I refuse to pay 150.00$ for a $5 dollar piece of plastic which is oxidized and will break easily. There was a review by a member of DCS who bought one of those 150.00 clips for his whole group of 20 pilots. All 20 broke. Nope, stick with the hat clip. Watching your video reminded me of why I finally went out, spent thousands of dollars, and bought a new gaming desk top. Almost every IL2 update I am writing support and bitching about some new glitch. LOL
as I sit here savoring a slice of homemade lemon cake :)
I quickly came to the conclusion that this video wasn't insightful at all!! it is HUUUUUGELY insightful haha. see what I did there XD
but seriously this is one of those videos I needed to watch to understand more of the difference between the two even though the focus here is on the IL2.
so right, FIRST TrackerIR, than get the super computer next year to enjoy VR better.
enjoyable video btw
ha rewatching this video and realizing I have already watched it and the only thing that's changed is... got the PC massive upgrade AND 4monitor setup lol, gaming on 3 27" monitors. conclusion... while I enjoy War Thunder and will be getting into FS it will be with trackerIR ;) and thank you
Great review 👍
I have a G2 and also Track IR and I still prefer VR. With a bit of twiddling you can get pretty good graphics and I get 60fps and some headroom left. Regarding a shortage of buttons ...I have 2 reserved on my left hand throttle for L ctl and L shift using Joytokey to assign them, and then one button on the joystick assigned to R ctl. So in theory if you have 20 buttons to hand you can have L ctl plus those button, Lshift plus those buttons and the L ctl + L shift plus those buttons .... bear with me, that now gives you 80 buttons. Add in the R ctl key on the joystick which doubles up the number of buttons on the joystick again. When I do videos I record using the ingame replay as it allows you to also change camera and rewind (unlike WT!). Gives a pretty good representation of what it looked like from my viewpoint and you can then also whack up all the graphics when you record it to video using shadow play or whatever. Another little tip i have to help find the right button in VR is to stick a little bit of Velcro (hook part) on every other button if they are in rows like the t16000 or saitek quadrant etc. You can then feel the keys better and know which ones are rough ones. I also put little strips on the housing beside the levers on the throttle quadrant to mark specific positions I need to move them to quickly...throttle rpm, stabiliser on bf109 are just a couple for example.
My Track IR hasn't let me down yet, I just have the hatclip. It takes some time dialing in the settings but once they're set it's smooth peanut butter. VR will come once this R9 390 dies, if it ever will.
5:47 "Unlike head tracking, VR offers no (head) movement acceleration"
You may this by now, but just FYI, there is a tool VRNeckSafer made by J2_NobiWan that does just that. It offers either acceleration or the possibility to add x degrees to your head position at the push of a button. Look for "Simple tool to check your six" on the IL2 forums. All online IL2 servers accept players using the tool.
The tool is a god sent and levels out the playing field on the ease of being able to check your surroundings compared to TrackIR. Many, if not virually (heh) all VR players use it, so people adapt to it feeling just fine. I also have no problems using it, it gets second nature pretty quick and it improves the game play immensely.
Oof... gotta say i heavily disagree on this!
I love il2 in vr, sure there is some disadvantages but the immersion of vr is incredible. But i guess people have different priorities. 😄
Some of your points I don’t really see myself as a big problem.
The biggest advantage of vr by far is in dogfighting, aiming and keeping track of your opponent comes natural... and maneuvering the plane also.
To me vr has definitively improved my kill rate.
Checking your six in vr is easy enough if you are on a swivel chair.
Spotting planes to me is not the problem but identifying is harder.
Ive been a casual il2 player since forgotten battles and vr is by far what has helped me the most in shooting down other planes, my first multiplayer flight in vr i got three kills and made it back safe and i had been away from il2 for a good while, prior using track ir, i found aiming much more difficult and i would loose track of the opponent all the time.
On a 1080ti and 7700k i get around 70-90 fps in multiplayer with 80 players on, offline play i get a smooth 90.
If you are short on trim pots and buttons here is a good tip. An Arduino Leonardo will let you hook up 5 potentiometers and some buttons, there are also some very cheap cards ready with usb for buttons only, all you need to do is wire the buttons to the card and windows will recognize it as a joystick, Arduino needs some programming but is easy enough.
How on earth do you get such good fps?? I barely get 40 with a 2080TI!
@@TeaRexChannel
I do sacrifice a lot of eye-candy but it works for me, I followed some tutorials on youtube, did a few settings in windows that I don’t remember, i think many for vr in general.
Been a while since i tinkered with it so could probably do with some adjustments but here are my graphics settings.
Shadows -off
Mirrors -off
Distant landscape detail -x3
Canopy reflections -off
Horizon draw -70km
Landscape filter -sharp
Terrain roughness -low
Grass quality -off
Clouds quality -high
Antialiasing -msaa x4
Target fps -off
Vsync -off
Ssao -off
Hdr -on
Sharpen -on
4k textures -on
Distant buildings -on
Edit: supersampling at 120%
Been tinkering some...
Here is a good setup video!
czcams.com/video/1tf0GgPFBFA/video.html
I changed antialiasing from x4 to x2 and upped the supersampling to 140% with good results... looks as good with better frames!
Also installed msi afterburner and boosted the graphics card some and set all fans to run 100%... gave some more frames.
Did a stuka bombing run on the finnish dynamic war server with around 60+ players... came out with an average fps of 82 after almost an hour.
@@TeaRexChannel he probably plays at low resolution (that is the biggest problem while running flight Sims)
@@Pawel35064 I run at high resolution and can confirm 2km is probably about right.
I've bee using opentrack for a while now and only recently been thinking of using TrackIR. I would love to get VR but that price is hard to justify for a every other weekend pilot these days. Keep up the good work and let me know what you think of TrackIR
Track IR ist worth it, because you can get wireless solutions for open track which are way better for less than half the money.
Is it better to just use a virtual reality headset with a good computer that I already have? Or should I get a head tracker?
I am not of the same advice regarding the keyboard. I play DCS in VR and I found the way to use it: I have a Razer Tartarus and it works perfectly.
Do you have to aim with one eye if there is a gunsight in the middle of a cockpit? I have that problem that i can’t see a gunsight properly with both eyes even if i set IPD properly using Rift S. I dont have problem with low graphics and 80 fps, i don’t have any problems with a game and spotting but with that gunsight…
I use both a head tracker and an HP Reverb G2. I much prefer VR even though my head tracker works great. I purchased one of those homebrew kits off ebay that uses a playstation 3 camera and a 3d printed clip for $39. I play using a VKB Gladiator joystick and a Thrustmaster TWS Hotas. I also use voice attack for many keyboard commands. I use the "flashlight" command in VR to see my keyboard real quick when I need the keyboard, mostly to type something. I have everything else taken care of with keybindings and voice commands. In Elite Dangerous, my VR problem is I tend to use other software while playing the game that I need to see such as ED Discovery, Road To Riches, etc. Doing that can be a problem. I agree though that every time there is an update, it seems like I am back to square one optimizing the VR experience in IL-2. I would prefer better performance. I can rarely get 90 FPS. Hopefully when the 4080's or 4090's come out, this may fix this problem. Admittedly, I do not play IL-2 too much these days. Got tired of the poor frame rates in IL-2 while in VR and after playing in VR, I really don't want to play on a flat screen. Too busy playing other VR games that work well in VR.
I have a 2070 Super and a Ryzen 3600 but I have pretty reasonable framerates with my Odyssey Plus. FPS VR does show occasional regular dropped frames, but its definitely in the playable threshold and Im one of those people cant handle dropped frames well in VR. I wonder if this is an Oculus issue.
My main problem is just the impossibility of spotting, and that's what lead me to your video. Even with the VR zoom toggle... it's just incredibly hard to spot, and even harder to identify other aircraft. Zoom appears to make aircraft disappear more often than not... I am wondering if a Reverb G2 would change that, but I dont think my 2070 Super is up to the task of driving that at the resolutions it would need to make a difference.
Yes a G2 helps a ton, and yes a 2070 Super will run a G2 just fine.
Bought a Reverb G2 a few days ago, tried it in IL2 MP and immediately went back to TiR. Immersion is great and whatever, but for me, the severe drop in graphic fidelity, the washed out image, the tunnel-vision FOV and decreased spotting / id’ing wasn’t a good tradeoff. I do admit that gunnery is easier in VR tho.
VR is great for single player games such as Elite, but is not up to snuff for MP.
The washed out image is terrible with the G2- thus is why Im sending mine back. I might trial the Apara 5k when it comes out in march with a better gpu....I play alot of msfs2020 and love the best image fidelity possible....and VR dosnt provide that at all currently unless I want to drop in excess of 4k which is ridiculous in my opinion.
@@gregprouse1173 it’s weird, I just tried out Half-life: Alyx with it, and it looks incredible. Maybe it’s something with the rendering?
@@201_Gaming In such games it will look good. However in flight sims especially msfs2020 it will look like a washout mess.....like going back to 480p whilst drunk or just waking up. Not fun for a graphics nut like myself. Im waiting on a gpu upgrade from my 1080ti and then get the the apara 5k with those new clear lenses. That all should help a bit.
you should try it with the new AMD FSR opengl mod, it does help improve performance
I suffer from eye strain on my Oculus Quest 2. After a while I cant help but take it off, because not only does it strain my eyes but it bothers my face too.
Very Interessting. My two Cents.
I Prefer VR... even with its disadvantage. And ya its extreme sometimes when it comes to physical stress on the neck :D checking 6 is okay but god forbid youre in an tight dogfight withsome one, have fun to turn your face 100° up than quickly to one side then to the other and if youre right handed its quite hard to look at your 6 over the right should, so you better switch hands on the stick quickly.
BUT Il2 and War Thunder are the ONLY Flight Sims i got to run at constant (mostly) 80 FPS (100% FPS for my headset) so i really love to play expecialy those two with max performance and it looks quite okay especialy Il2 looks pretty good BUt has horrible bad Anti Aliasing i which they would add TAA. War Thunder has nice TAA or even SAA but the textures of that game is abit weak and also some cockpits barely work (ammo counter MC 202 example).
DCS: ohhhh man... solo missions okay still 40 FPS but okay. Multiplayer... depends but man i once joined with a Buddy an 60 Player Match and my Framerate was really at like 12.5 FPS or so, so everything was warping around and i actually played like that for a while in the air it got at best 30FPS. Can relate to motion sickness trough performance :D
I only streamed to my friend trough discord or recorded with nvidia shadowplay, that didnt harm my performance actually.
I have both "Track IR"(its not the real one but works the same but you need to set it up with opentrack) and VR and i really prefer VR in most cases... to be honest for me Immersion goes over competitivness but i actually am better with VR and i played il2 for a while not finding the VR Zoom Button so when i wanted to check an enemy planes markings (IFF) i had to go as close as 300 Meters :D
Also i had Track IR longer than VR but i used VR first... ya i just couldnt set it up for that long was to lazy for that and annoyed.
I think Il2 is quite good optimized for VR compared to most other games, MSFS2020 i even have to reduce the rendering scale to 70% to get 40FPs i just whish Il2 had TAA
2070s
R7 3700x
32gb DDR4 3200
M.2 SSD
I've noticed a lot of people seem to get better fps with the Ryzen CPU. Perhaps that's my issue.
I'm still trying to get VR to work but damn if it isn't tedious
Your channel you grow soon
Well, I assume you upgraded by now or at least thought about it. I had almost the same system though running it at 5Ghz all cores & a 1080ti MSI trio at 2050Ghz core & some OC on the memory can't remember - it ran IL -2 on max with Oculus Rift fantastic, but I could not get used to it, flying was amazing but hitting someone became harder than before... I am running a laptop now with 13980hx & 4070 planning on buying a used rift S & probably track IR as well to measure the difference, I am tired of getting shut down b4 I even notice them...
Just came across your channel today. Nice videos!
I’ve been using Tobii 5 and VoiceAttack in IL2 for the last couple of months and it’s an excellent combination for me (I only got into flight sims at the beginning of this year). Being able to just glance at something without head movement is pretty impressive, and works flawlessly even when wearing glasses. And VA was crucial for me because I only had a joystick at the time so buttons were limited (I really dislike using the keyboard).
One shortfall is that IL2 only works with an earlier version of the Tobii software at this point so you can’t get a full 6 degrees of actual head movement, but I compensate for this with a hat switch.
Another excellent feature is the ability to have separate settings for different games, such as IL2and DCS just by clicking on the selected game at the beginning of a session.
It does require a lot of patience at the very beginning to really dial in the settings that work for you so patience is required, but worth it. Sorry, wasn’t planning on making this comment so long! 😵
EDIT: I was using TrackIr 5 before (oops, I just made this post even longer).
I'm tempted to look at Tobii, but now I have VR working well so I may not bother 😅
When i got cliffs of dover IL2 a week before most people did in North America (I bought it on a UK website The down load was hours lol)
I downloaded Track Noir app And bought about $10 of electronic bits ..Set them up in the tubes of ball point pens And strapped them to a hat And the difrence to other VR today ..Ya it was bad ...1/2 lag of view movement But like your shooting You learn to lead the view you want before you want it ..But i never had Computer freeze Or have the fans kick in all day ...For me there is a choke point....Enjoy the game But i wasnt going to dump a ton of money into a game that i play on the weekend I remember back then people were also using the first play station trackers And a code that tracked your head Instead of the other way around
My brothers played sturmovik and they liked it
This is exactly my experience in VR. Singleplayer is amazing in VR when not recording, but without built in smoothing of the VR view, the head shake is impossible do deal with. You can play in low graphics, record track files and then replay those in max graphics to get VR gameplay that looks good great...but head shake makes it look like ass.
Great video! I've have been playing IL2 with a headtracker on a 4k monitor and my buddy, who is usually my rear gunner, uses VR (HP Reverb 2). In most cases, he spots enemies before I do and at farther distances. Maybe that's because he isn't flying the plane and can enjoy the view, but he is still able to spot and hold a target very well. Maybe the better resolution compared to Rift S allows him to spot easier? As for headtracking, I find IL2 to be pretty bad actually. I can't even look straight up and then behind me. It usually gets stuck and sometimes glitches out and has me looking at my feet in the middle of a dogfight. I'm using opentrack, maybe I'm missing some important settings there. If anyone has suggestions I'd love to hear them. Thanks & sry for the long comment.
Make sure that when your turned head 8s just hitting the limits of the permitted in-game panning range, that your clip is not getting close to the camera's edge-of-field. You want a 'buffer here, so that when you inadvertently move your head too far, it doesn't immediately put the clip on or outside the camera's field edge. The smoothing feature does a great job when you even limit the active area on the camera's sensor to a fairly small central region. In short, don't think you have to use the fullest extent of the camera's FoV.
Filurthermore, increase the 'sensitivity', whereby a fairly small head movement still produces a good amount of virtual head movement. This will help to jot have your clip straying near the field edge of the camera, and keep from causing wierd things to happen when the clip is 'seen' by the camera as having a too large rotation. Finally, this will reduce fatigue of neck and eyes.
In my Il-2 1946 game, I've altered a classfile to increase my in-game panning in azimuth from the stock 155 degrees to 180. And in the vertical, the range has been boosted from -60 to 89, up to -75 to 135 (tipping my virtual head 45 degrees back beyond vertical.) This further provides a freedom of movement because I now essentially never bang into any hard limits to panning.
I might add that my monitor subjects an apparent angular width of about 90 degrees, which is not much less than my default FoV of 105 degrees. This provides a near 1:1 image scale. Together with my tuned TrackIR settings, whereby my eyes pretty much directly look straight at the point of interest as I pan my head (i.e., my eyes don't tend to swivel in their sockets to any meaningful degree), at 2560X1440 resolution, I enjoy what I call the poor man's VR. ;)
Cheers!
Glenn (aka WxTech)
Both are awesome to use when set up.
VR is amazing but I don’t want to barf after 15 minutes… track ir it is
Once you get vr working properly its hard if not impossible to fly in 2d anymore...sure it prettier but not anything like the flying experience vr gives you IMO
IL2 has always been great in VR for me, it's how I prefer to play it. DCS is a whole other story, it barely runs on the same computer IL2 is great on
I've invested in VR and while it works ok with 2x2080ti and 9900K the lack of antialiasing hurts the playability so hard in the end, in WT it feels like cheating (no Antialiasing means all planes at distance look like 4px jagged line which is impossible to miss even when low at ground.
In IL2 i tend to have another issue the more jagged the edges the more the plane disappears when it tilts right (when you can see really just the prop.) when i turn off AA in IL2 and ramp up render resolution to 300% i get some 60 FPS (with dynamic rendering (the thing that skips every second frame and tries to guess it instead) its the most playable i got it to visibility against the sky is more then 5km but i still feel like it would be impossible to play germans and spot stuff for BnZ, against the ground i get 1.5km visibility at best maybe 2 but i cant see anything further away unless i literally track it the whole time from when it was closer even then when low at ground i cant discern the horizon and a plane really.
Also thinking about TrackIR i had it before (version 4) but had to move and sold it so gonna probably buy a new one.
There i'd have a question, anyone with experience with Tobii Eyetracker? would it perhaps be better then TrackIR? I could buy both.... however.... i kinda know what trackir does already, just wondering if eyetracking is worth it or not. I can also welcome any kind of suggestions to the graphics settings for IL2 on Valve Index with 2080ti (in SLI but i guess that doesn't matter much).
Head track for the win
I personally think WT is better with tracking haha, but WT is WAY better with VR than IL2.
I just like headtracking, I guess. I've been using it so long I'm used to it. Plus the higher resolutions and prettiness on a monitor is worth it to me. I still play WT in VR occasionally but I'm most comfortable with headtracking.
Plus being able to ID a plane from a distance is something I like being able to do, and it's easier with headtracking. VR has its advantages though for sure.... especially in tracking targets, and definitely with "dot spotting" since dots are sooooo huuuuuuuge.
You can also do head tracking completely for free using an Aruco marker and opentrack
I also went with TrackIR for War Thunder. For the same reasons. I needed to be able to use my keyboard.
so i love il2 i have about 300 hours in it but trying vr just wasnt going to happen, track ir worked perfectly but vr was at like 3 fps constant. totaly unplayable
I'm not sure that the argument "VR is worse because my PC can't handle it" is very sound. I've played in VR for 2 years always had a fine framerate on a 2060super with nice looking settings. The spotting issue is true and the reason I occasionally use my trackir instead. VR is more fun most the time still though.
If IL2 allowed 3 monitor setup that would be even better.
VR is more immersive but one has to rely completely on the HOTAS since the keyboard cannot be seen.
TeaRex telling it like it unfortunately is, In multiplayer matches in IL2 I can pull a steady 45fps until I come into close quarters with the enemy, then it turns into a blurry jittery frame drop mess, anyone planning on using VR with IL2 I suggest single player mode or Campaign.
otherwise TrackIR all the way = no problems.
one thing you can use with VR is an app called "VR Neck saver", it lets you rotate your playspace by whatever degrees you want (i use 90) so you can look around alot easier, even fly backwards, without breaking your neck to do so...its all external from the game so no issues there.
Havent you heard of Voice Attack? I don't touch my keyboard in VR. Voice command only.
you may want to look at tobi eye tracker
A few people have recommended it to me, might check it out and give it a review :)
@@TeaRexChannel czcams.com/video/h7mCxjBYtSg/video.html this guy did a good video on it, also if you want a good clip this one is wireless and cheaper delanengineering.com/products/ i love it way better then trackir one
@@TeaRexChannel I have had friends who have switched to trackIR from Tobii because of poor support, for what it's worth. - Tigris
I am playing War thunder and have noticed many of you on youtube are moving away from WT simulator. Why!
I still play WT sim 😁
The washed out image is terrible with the G2- thus is why Im sending mine back. I might trial the Apara 5k when it comes out in march with a better gpu....I play alot of msfs2020 and love the best image fidelity possible....and VR dosnt provide that at all currently unless I want to drop in excess of 4k which is ridiculous in my opinion.
It may not seem like it to you but IL2:Great Battles series was actually made for VR - it was one of the main selling points. That said, I'm also in the "disappointed" camp. I have a Quest 2 and I can't get it to run comfortably (frame-rates, resolution) - I've gone back to TIR. I'm hoping the continued optimisation of the game, the headset and an up-gunned PC will see me giving VR another go.
I've managed to get it running recently, weirdly after upgrading to 32GB of ram it smoothed out a lot
@@TeaRexChannel Was it completely new faster ram? More than likely the RAM speed improved things rather than the size. I've never seen Il2 use up all of my 16GB in VR.
good video now I have an excuse other than being poor and having old PC
No idea why everyone has issues with performance in vr.. i only have a 2060 super and i7 9700k and it works like a dream
btw oculus software lets you pin windows like chat
How? Where?
damn, edtracker went bankrupt? that sucks. they were a great budget headtracking option
Sadly the EDTracker only supported 3 axis so it could never compete with other DIY TrackIR alternatives.
@@TheBod76 i used to bind lateral left/right movement to the roll axis, so i managed to squeeze 4dof out of it, which was fine for war thunder ;)
Oh, that's sad. I still have an EdTracker Pro. It was great when I was using it.
Love my VR in IL2 but…..it does get exhausting. Plus, I personally think I get a much better visual on a good monitor.
I have a very beefy PC, great VR (Pimax), and also TrackIR (in a drawer somewhere). Plus I have the advantage of being a touch-typing god. Not that it's needed, with a decent HOTAS. Seems to me that you've talked yourself into justifying a position. Streaming/Recording while playing VR is clearly not good for performance. Even so, I don't find IL-2 taxes my system that much, compared to a full DCS multiplayer server.
To me, the differences between the two playstyles are far deeper, even though they use the same engine. Flying flat screen is a poor experience; more akin to gaming than piloting. It is a clever representation of reality, but the compromises made to simplify the interface eliminate true attempts at actual simulation.
VR is still a compromise, but so much less. The immersion VR provides blurs the lines between simulation and actual reality much more effectively, and leads to far more believable sensations, sensitivity to feedback, etc.
Playing games like this in VR you should always go for 32gb of memory. It will make a world of difference.
I completely disagree, I have 16GB and even that never gets full with IL2.
Instead of buying trackir, why don't you build a clip yourself? Better than spending 150-200 dollars
I'm getting it from a friend :)