Pastor Alastair Begg punished after advising grandma to attend transgender wedding (Livestream)
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- Preacher and radio host Alistair Begg told a Christian grandmother that she could attend her grandson's wedding to a trans person because strategic kindness was better than outright bigotry.
The Christian world can't handle his response.
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Going to a wedding affirms sin because the consenting adults are non-traditional. Going to church where many children are raped is totally fine because why?
Simple, God forgives the sin of rape, so everything is okay as it was a one-off, even if it wasn't really.
@@grahvisgod has no part in forgiveness, only those wronged can forgive their offender, not some magic sky daddy who is proven false.
@@jimdavison4077absolutely right. Christianity breeds do really evil people. Being forgiven by God is meaningless if you haven't been forgiven by whoever you wronged
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Why I’m an atheist! You screw up my life with your abuse and hate? I’m not forgiving! And not feeling guilty for not forgiving!
It's all "hate the sin not the sinner" until they actually have to be in the same room as a minority and pretend like they're not disgusted.
i have a (fairly) new neighbour who is christian, she said she didn't like her new local church cos it has a lesbian minister, she said "it makes me feel sick thinking about what they get up to" i didn't point out that she shouldn't really be trying to imagine "what they get up to". religists have sick minds, even the sweetest old ladies apparently.
@@HarryNicNicholashate to say it, but seemingly irrational dislike or distaste for some kinds of people isn't a cult thing, it's a human thing. Atheists, even the most rational, can still be just as seemingly bigoted or biased as the most indoctrinated fundie, you know.
Those who understand will never judge. Those who judge will never understand.
Those brainwashed into tunnel vision belief systems will never see the truth
Nah, judging is good. Judging is how you identify, then fix problems. The key thing is to judge accurately.
@@Leith_CrowtherI don't think that's the kind of judging he's talking about
@@CaptFoster5I think we’re talking about the same kind of judging, and you were confused about what kind I meant.
❤ I like that!
love how my existance is worse then child murder.
Yeah, how dare you. =P
/s
That's the lie they want us all to believe. No one's existence is worse than murder.
What children are being murdered? Palestinian maybe? Ukrainian perhaps or the asylum children the US government stole from their parents and put in cages or sex trafficed? Maybe the children being killed by guns in the US? What children do you speak of.
I don’t know if you misunderstood or not. I believe the comment meant that, in the eyes of some people, being trans is a worse sin than murdering a child. I actually had someone tell me years ago, in a discussion group about accepting gay ordination, that she believed being gay was worse than murder. I called her out on it.
@@user-gj1pq5zm4lsomeone like that is pretty much beyond help. They're too far gone to be reasoned with. Even according to Christianity that doesn't make any sense.
Who knew that pastor ended up getting his face eaten by the face-eating leopard he vehemently fed for years.
BINGO!
He didn't even free the leopard from the cage, he merely got too close to the bars.
Vote blue or that leopard will be eating all of our faces.
There is no Love like Christian Ignorance and Hate.
@@Giddyup777 Atheists ain't the ones disowning people for not believing in imaginary friends and their rigid, backwards dogma.
At most, we can be accused of being grossly disrespectful. But we aren't the ones destroying families and throwing vulnerable people to the wolves.
@@Giddyup777You are factually wrong
@@Giddyup777lol. Mad because people don't belive the fantasy.
@@Giddyup777would you say that going from video to video and posting anti atheist crap is hateful? Like being a troll with a new account. If that’s what your life is then I feel sorry for you. The only thing we hate is theists pushing their agenda via politics and demanding we all respect their sincerely held delusions. Keep your magic to yourself and you’ll never hear a word from any of us. We didn’t have to speak up until people started pushing their religion on everyone.
@@Giddyup777You have already lost by not addressing the other people challenging the original comment.
I'm no Christian but anything I've read about Jesus suggests that's exactly what he would have done. Well Biblical Jesus not White Capitalist Jesus.
Don't be to sure, he did say some questionable and terrible things too.
White capitalists bigoted vengeful wealthy conservative Jesus.
@@spencers4121 I'm no Christian, either, but I do remember that he, very famously, dined with tax collectors and prostitutes.
That's not to say that you _can't_ make the Bible say whatever you want by pulling a different verse…
@@spencers4121Well, Paul and the Old Testament for sure, but Jesus was a socialist hippie.
While condemning them@@EaglesQuestionsThere is also the "go and sin no more" to a women who had been attacked in the street. Jesus is the Quisling in the story ...
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Dubbed Wilholt's Law but there is some doubt on this attribution. Regardless of who said it...they're dead on.
It's coined by Wilhoit, though. Frank Wilhoit, a composer, said it in a reply thread for a blog.
It should still exist.
The confusion is that it's often falsely attributed to political scientists Francis Wilhoit.
I don't care who said it, it is the dead on truth.
I'm a Constitutional Conservative and a non-believer. It is truly sad that conservatism has been almost totally hijacked by fire breathing religionists who want to take over the government.
Christian Nationalism is un-American... it's just fascism by a different name. 🎉
So his response was one with a modicum of (apparent) humanity and nuance.
Of course conservatives hate it.
Of course. I wonder if they realise that they're genuinely evil?
@@matbroomfieldtoo evil to make the strategically correct decision
@@matbroomfield It seems to me that many genuinely believe they are doing the right thing. No doubt there are some who are consciously doing it for the grift though.
They're not big on nuance
Humanity isn't just love and understanding it's literally a source of ignorance and Hatred.
2 sides of the same coin like it or not.
Now I'm not anti hate but there is no reason to hate someone for things they can't control.
One of the oldest traditions in Christianity is to focus on issues that don’t matter. The sillier the better. My grandparents’ denomination split over facial hair on men. The European group said mustaches but no beards were OK, and the US group split down the middle over allowing mustaches and beards vs. no facial hair at all. This was like 70 years ago so the details are fuzzy (sic), but I’m sure each side had Bible verses lined up to support their position. The argument was heated enough to split a denomination, and it served its unspoken purpose: the focus on a superficial sign of holiness allowed everyone to feel self-righteous enough that they could avoid examining their own actual moral failings for many, many years. Today, only one of these groups still cares about facial hair. There are more tantalizing issues these days, like what is the minimum amount of hate a good Christian should express toward LGBTQ people.
Got to love the hypocracy of conservative groups like that. They will go after 1 of their members who doesn't follow their demented anti-trans script. But they will fight tooth & nail to protect members who have committed CSA. It's ironic in a way, that they see 1 thing as a serious sin, yet completely ignore the bigger sin.
So true! Even in their own book, their god drown babies all over the world and that is called moral. Then for health care to help save a child's life, they call that child abuse and immoral. Believe whatever ya want, but keep your nose out of trans people's lives.
A lot of people want their entire family at their wedding. Its not unbelievable to hear that question XD
I do agree though. Don’t invite bigots to your wedding. Imagine a bisexual man married a woman, but grandma was a bigot. She’s gonna be so excited her grandson is “fixed”
Don’t invite bigots to anything, really. Don’t invite them to parties, don’t invite them to vote, don’t invite them to work for you…
Please let his best man be his ex, please let his best man be his ex. 🙏
Fixed.. lol thats ironic give its other meaning. Wish you a very happy life my friend. What ever way it goes.
@@ArDeeMeewould make for a fun story.
Plot twist, they find a boyfriend during their engagement and up in a polycule lmao. Happened to me, everyone was relieved when I got engaged to a man, then we started getting close with a friend of his 😅
Daaaang. So he merely suggests strategic politeness and that's enough to get him cancelled by other anti-gay pastors?!
Man, they're eating themselves alive with their hatred.
Yes....(rubs hands delightedly)
🤦♀️ The best part is that the bible specifically addresses this kind of scenario! Jesus was famous for shocking the Pharisees by hanging out with "sinners" -- going into the houses of, dining and speaking with, people that a good Jewish leader wouldn't. He was even warned against it, I believe.
So yeah. 😂
Every split in god-bothering community is another nail in their religious bigotry coffin.
No, if anything it just creates more vectors for their variance to spread. Religion has persisted for thousands of years, Christianity has splintered into who knows how many groups and it is only getting stronger. The problem is atheists don't breed fast enough to outpace them.
This is exactly why Americans must continually fortify the Wall of Separation between State and those who claim to speak for God.
It's got a new name now " the psyc ward ,rubber rooms, no fly lists, criminally insane. States that violate a child's Right to education , us student rights adults Rights and milk the hat man spooky woo woo for cash for temples need to be sued down to the dirt under their feet. Round 'em up go on Elon bezos pollution for free heavenly one way tickets to Mars , pharm out something but not pester " future mothers" with confusion between fiction and non fiction.
At least in a library the child gets the experience of distinction between fiction and non fiction. Roman tick propaganda and religioronomy porn takes effort " to see and know" it's misogynism fantasy plain and simple.
Roman tick regurge....
There's no hate like Christian love.
@@Giddyup777 oh, the classic "no u", such argumentative power 🤣
@@Giddyup777 Hate the belief, but not the believer 👍
There is no love greater than "Christian Hate"...😮
@@Giddyup777Again, factually wrong.
@@Giddyup777😂 "no u" thats the extant of your argument, or even your thinking process
@@DiMadHatter yup, not a single original thought in that dudes head
@@Giddyup777 Atheist tend to support human rights and support the first amendment. Extremist Christians want to pass laws to throw gay people in jail and destroy the first amendment by forcing the Christian faith upon everyone through government force.
@@Giddyup777Atheist hate as in how much Christians hate Atheists.
02:39 Ok, where? What did he say about Trans people apart from "There is no male, there is no female, for all are one"?
Of all the people hiding behind their superstition, none have been able to come up with a an excuse for why the hate doesn't belong to them.
Yep. Trans people were never mentioned in the bible.
There is that one verse "A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God." Of course this is really stretching it to apply to transgender people. Mostly Christians just want to say that you can't really be transgender - you are the gender you were born as no matter what. But that kind of ignores the existence of even intersex individuals.
@@mischarowe they’ll probably use that as “proof” that being trans is evil.
“If being trans is not a sin, then why didn’t God say so?”
It's very biblical. There are a couple of these verses in the Gospels... "be nice to the bad people, because it will shame them".
It's not really "being nice". It struck me as insincere and spiteful from the first time I read it. But it's biblical.
But of course "modern Christianity" is so far removed from these "biblical principles", that they can't even follow these sort of ideas anymore. You have to give it to them: they are honest, upright, steadfast, open bigots!
Yep. It's a manipulation technique, a mild form of love bombing.
@@Giddyup777 Go away maga boi!!! LMFAO!!!
I read a story awhile back about a pastor who spoke of people complaining to him about 'liberal talking points' for saying things like 'turn the other cheek' which are literally the words of Jesus Christ. Christians against Christ!
@@Giddyup777Sorry, I have to correct that... a couple of verses _in the Bible_ ...
Romans 12: 20 "To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
This is referencing Proverbs 25:21-22. If your enemies are hungry, give them food to eat. If they are thirsty, give them water to drink. You will heap burning coals of shame on their heads, and the LORD will reward you.
Years ago our family used to listen to his sermons for a while, and actually went to the satellite campus of his church where his sermons were mirrored.
I since came out as a woman and have been completely disowned by my family. That was in 2017 and I now live in a different state with a partner.
I wonder if my p.o.s. parents will see this "controversy" and be reminded of me lol. Hopefully it makes them feel a modicum of sorrow after what they did to me hah.
I'm so sorry that happened to you, and I hope you're happier now. :o
I hope this isn’t too insensitive (because I‘m honestly not sure), but do you still have their living address? Because if you do - and they don’t have yours, send them a „merry x-mas - ps I‘m still alive“ postcard, just to ruin their mood.
Obviously don’t put your return address on it. Does that work as petty comeback?
I'm hoping that you have created a happy life for you and your partner. Your parents don't deserve you.
Machines don’t feel sorrow
Pretend to be loving so that people think (wrongly) that you are loving?? It's just crazy enough to work
This is why the religion is in steep declne. Those christian sects that absolutely refuse to grow with the culture will distill down to just an open hate group of the very old and the few deluded young. Shunned by the rest of society.
They have nothing but hatred for whoever doesn't share their particular beliefs.
They don’t want to go down without a fight, though. It’s the same with the people afraid of losing their straight, white (often) cis-male privilege in favor of a more equitable society.
@@kconway2263 Equality feels like oppression to the privileged.
Tax exemption should be abolished for churches, if they’re going to talk about politics.
@@Giddyup777 teaching politics =/= spewing propaganda, asking listeners to vote for X candidate, fight for/against X policy, etc.
@@Giddyup777 Y are comparing apples with frogs!
@@Giddyup777 Whoa there Stud! You presented evidence that publicly funded schools are the same as religious churches? I don't think so. And you didn't need to get insulting. Churches are more analogous to businesses, not public schools. Take your business and keep it out of the government. Many of these 'businesses' take money from poor people with the offer of a hope to live beyond death or to escape suffering. It's more like snake oil salesmen. If you don't pay your fair share because of your 'religion' then you keep the heck out of politics. Pay up and say whatever you want to.
@@Giddyup777You made the absurd claim.
Schools talk about politics in the sense of "Next Wednesday is the quiz on the U.S. Constitution. Be ready to explain your assigned amendment."
Churches talk about politics in the sense of "Vote for the pro child rape candidate or we will outcast you!"
Be nice to him = it is a propaganda strategy, you actually dont give a F about his life. That’s what I read… haha
Jesus christ this is like middle school stuff
Religion is ignorant.
What exactly does non religion have to offer anyone?
@@Giddyup777 Exactly.
@@Giddyup777 Cultish home of false assurance and hidden evil sounds a lot like evangelical branches and a lot of other christian organizations. To call atheism cultish when there are a wide range of atheists who would affirm or deny trans rights and of many different political leanings, with the only real unifying thing being a rejection of specific god claims (which doesnt preclude supernatural belief, as there are more supernatural beliefs that are sans god.) To back up my claim, the ring around the rosie the Catholic Church plays to protect pastors who have commited sexually abusive acts, same with the Southern Baptist Convetion and a long pleothra of other churches, the multiple evangelical churches that spew out hatred towards marginalized groups that have done no wrong, all while asserting they have the correct religious belief and that God made everything just for humanity and so on.
@@Giddyup777 I don't think so, Tim!
@@tryme3969 It is extremely sad when your beliefs in something that has never been proven by anyone ever are the only thing that give meaning to your life.
It seems to me I recall that Christ himself got criticized for hanging out with tax gatherers and other sinners, I don't have a bible handy, but I recall my Sunday school teacher, {a rather conservative Baptist,} explaining that if you wanted to change a sinner's mind you had to spend time with the sinner and show him, or her that there was a better way of living, and that the already converted did not need as much attention as the soul still in danger of condemnation. There is also a bit in there somewhere about there being more rejoicing in heaven when one sinner is redeemed than when a hundred of the righteous arrive. I kind of think the entire flock of hypocrites need to go back and read what Christ is alleged to have said, and stop adding in their own little bits to suit their own agendas. In other words, to be a Christian you are required to love everyone, regardless of religious or sexual affiliation, condemn no one, "Judge not lest ye be judged" and try to impress the sinners with your own happiness in your life as a righteous person, to the point that they want to have what you have. If you cannot do this you have no right to call yourself a Christian, and Christ also had words for people like that. 'Be ye hot or be ye cold, but if ye be lukewarm I will spew you out of my mouth" Christ could deal with the righteous and the sinners, but he is sickened by the hypocrites pretending to be his followers.
So happy and proud to live in a mostly secular country that was the first to perform gay marriages. Even the ChristenUnie, one of our more liberal left wing christen political parties is now changing their stance on gay marriage and relationships.
Homosexuality is NATURAL, normal and a non chosen sexual preference. The fact right wingers in the USA are so against it should make them feel ashamed. Here in Amsterdam we have the first holocaust remembrance site in the world, remembering the fact the Nazis murdered many people just for their sexual orientation.
Religion is the reason the holocaust happened and that the Nazis killed homosexuals, jehova witnesses and the Jews. The genocide against the Romani and Sinti was more based on their nonsensical race ideology.
@@Giddyup777 read mein kampf, it is full of quotes from hitler justifying his plans as "god's work" and the like.
antisemitism is intrisically linked to christianity all throughout the middle ages.
@@Giddyup777 antisemitism is intrinsically linked to christianity throughout the middle ages, and nzism was a christian movement, as established in their leaders book, full of quotes that it is "god's plan" and all that, it is easy to find. you're not honestly trying to educate yourself, stop pretending.
@@Giddyup777 .
The Holocaust was one result of centuries of anti-Semitism, much stemming from the notion that it was Jews that killed Christ.
@@Giddyup777 Hitler may not of been Christian himself, but he used and reestablished the Christian Church and used the teachings of the Bible to motivate other Germans to support his ideas, and targeted the branches of Christianity that happened to distance themselves from the Jewish influences, and set up the Jewish religious faith as a means to create an enemy and get people to act on those enemies.
@@Giddyup777you’re asking what the evidence is that the attempted extermination of Jews (a religious group) by the Nazis (a nationalist religious group) was motivated by religion?
Perhaps read Mein Kampf (a book given to every Nazi soldier) where Hitler explicitly writes that he’s doing God’s will in exterminating the Jewish people. If that’s not religious motivation, nothing is.
Rapidly becoming one of my favorite channels. Always interesting. Keep going.
OR, and hear me out on this, you can go to your grandson’s wedding because you love him and want him to be happy. Because that what Jesus would do. Just a thought.
My toxic Baptist father was catching me up by phone on various family members. He told me that my male cousin had moved to another city to live with his boyfriend and they'd bought a house. Dad practically spit out the words. He can't abide anyone not acting like a Baptist fundamentalist. Ugh.
I have a legal question unrelated to this video. My question is regarding a state court ordering a defendant to take a class offered by a private company that uses religious and political propaganda in their course material. Does the defendant have legal standing to object to the reeducation because it contains religious and political propaganda? I was ordered to take a class by a court in Colorado. I took the online version. Right away, I was watching Dennis Prager lecture me about PragerU and his opinions about the importance of values and what values he considered to be righteous. I was offended. I am a gay man that is well aware that Dennis Prager is a homophobic bigot. So to be lectured by him about values was obscene. The provider has no government certification to teach and offered no proof that they know anything nor did any of their facts contain sources. The entire program was a long power point of CZcams videos and aspirational quotes. I felt like I was being forced to prove that I was now a member of the cult but I failed. My 300 word essay was rejected. I have to go back to court. I passed the written test. I have proof I took the class. But the DA doesn't like my essay. I feel abused. Do I have the right to object to reeducation that contains political propaganda of any kind or religion of any kind? I feel as though my first amendment rights should be enough to prevent this from being an issue but here we are because some "non profit" is giving court ordered courses containing PragerU... I reached out to the ACLU but have not heard back with any guidance.
Keep contacting the ACLU. I don’t have an answer, but this is very much in line with sending DUI cases to the AA. Who work very cult-like, and demand you obey some greater thing than yourself, preferably god.
Good luck with your case.
This creator has a video on someonevwho had a similar issue in prison. He could get out early if he attended a workshop based heavily on Christianity. He refused and everything else said he was good to be released early, but he hadn't finished the programme so they refused. I'm not sure if the people you've spoken to are the same as the ones he did, if they are different you could talk to them. Otherwise I hope things work out for you
@@samanthagibson5791 found it! Thanks
A federal judge says that Mark Janny, an inmate who had already served his time, can seek monetary damages in his case against a parole officer who punished him for not attending Christian worship services.
@@samanthagibson5791 that case was in Denver. The company using prageru is in Denver. Weird coincidence?
Try the Freedom From Religion Foundation rather than the ACLU, a little more specialized so they might have better resources
Even when I was a relatively conservative Christian, I would have gone to the wedding, wished them the best, and meant it, because everyone deserves respect and validation. Just because I didn't agree with someone didn't mean that I couldn't respect them as a fellow human. This is just so stupid.
I'm not a religious person, but I have known a few Christians who were compassionate and not judgmental towards those they disagreed with. They do a much better job of promoting their faith than the hateful bigots do.
So much for Christian LOVE! These people are so short-sighted...
This IS what Christians mean when they talk about "Love".
Not sure why anyone is suprised about anything Allister said.
It's not only judgemental, its condescending and brings condemnation to the event.
It's inherently hostile because of the duplicitous motive. The "Grandama" who phoned in to find out what she was supposed to think only attended the wedding to put her condemnation in the face of the people getting married.
That's not love, that's aggression.
I would agree. I think, however, that the amazing thing about this story is that he is still being cancelled because he wasn't explicitly bigoted enough.
It's not like he was championing any actual understanding or compassion. In fact, he suggested what could reasonably be described as a manipulative tactic, but because he didn't outright call for claiming the two getting married were demonic and deserving of damnation... he's too soft (and, unbiblical).
Go figure.
Yes the issue with the story is that the Pastor suggesting that kindness and keeping contact might open up future inroads to convert was bad for even suggesting she goes near that wedding for duplicitous reasons.
So how do they feel about a cis man and a trans man getting married?
Here's a thought, maybe we could just leave consenting adults the hell alone.
Jesus wasn't a hate monger, and was a friend to the sinners. Religion has twisted so much.
Satanism is closer to humanism, and is more positive.
That is if you believe Jesus ever lived, let alone made the claims or did the things the bible says.
@seandmoore6922 It doesn't really matter whether Jesus ever lived. If you take the Bible as holy scripture, believe that its words apply to you, and you claim to live by them, then the words from that book, even if its fiction, can have a profound influence, good or bad, on the believer and those who associate with the believer.
@@seandmoore6922
I absolutely could see an altruistic con artist pick up skills from his, "virgin," mother in order to get things done without being stoned.
Such as saying that all this bread, fish, and wine totally fell off the back of God's truck and definitely wasn't stolen.
I could also see that legend twisting through the ages in a way that someone like that could never have predicted.
Then again, that's just some realistic fan fiction.
About as truthful as the bible itself, no?
@seandmoore6922 it's a character reference.
Even nazis managed to learn that torture isn't effective. Even psychopaths learn to manipulate positive feelings, in addition to fear and anger. At this point it's just evil for the sake of evil.
Another sick mind thinking he's doing good.
And they wonder why people are leaving religion.
@@Giddyup777 Hemant is the one doing good here.
It's christians that are freaking out over a guy saying "try being nice" that are the problem.
@@Giddyup777 being nice to people is evil now? Ok
@@Giddyup777 your view of what constitutes evil has been twisted by your religion
@@Giddyup777 so....atheist.
I grew up listening to Alastair’s program on the radio and loved his gentle voice and preaching. Even though I’m not a believer anymore and certainly don’t agree with him on many things it makes me sad to think of him being the target of a conservative hate mob online. I wish we could figure out a way to stop these kind of things from happening, no one deserves to be “cancelled” for having opinions.
All good points my friend. Always appreciate your point of view.
It's still so duplicitous. Ulterior motive much?
Agree 100% Hermant , thank you for your perception. It is as you say kind of funny if it was not so sad! how can one claim to be Christian…Christ like…when so full of hate and bigotry towards your fellow man. I am a Christian and I pray for them that they may wake out of these judgmental ways and see that loving unconditionally is all we have if we want to stand with him!
Attending is a way of showing love. It need not even indicate agreement. But it can still show love.
We hear them say over and over, "hate the sin, not the sinner". They need to put up or shut up.
Where's the love, Christians?
This behavior IS what they think Love is. That's how we know them.
“All the time” this type conversation happens?
My grandmothers are gone, but knowing the values of both, I would not invite them to the wedding.
Whoever came up with that analogy of a father driving an alcoholic son to a bar overlooked the possibility that it might be better to drive the alcoholic son to a bar, than not to. For one thing, if it keeps the alcoholic son from driving himself to the bar, it keeps the alcoholic son from driving back drunk FROM the bar. It also contains the same message that Alastair Begg attempted to convey: "even though I feel what you are doing is wrong, I'm not going to turn my hatred of your actions into your hatred of me. I'll be here to help you do the right thing, when you are ready." . . or something like that.
After I came out, my family's nagging didn't make me any less trans. It only made me more and more spiteful of them, until I moved out, and eventually stopped contacting them entirely.
3:55 -- "First of all, that didn't happen. ... If he was marrying a trans person, you wouldn't invite the bigot grandma."
Nonsense. I'm pretty sure lots of people would figure, "She'll turn down the invite, but we can't not invite her. She's my grandmother! Besides, if we don't invite her, WE'LL look bad."
Them : "Love God and be a free American!" - Also Them : "Wait no, not like that!"
He actually used the word, "Cancel." Don't you just love how The Right does the worst cancelling?
The American *Family* Association wants the grandmother to stay away from her grandson’s wedding because it doesn’t fit their dogma.
The grandson was being very big by inviting her.
When I was a fundy, I listened to Begg. 🤦🏽♀️
During your video all I could think about was, there is no hate like Christian love.
How sad some “ Christians “ think they are above all others. The hate is terrible
Hi Hemant, Keep up the good work.
Thanks to your channel and other atheist channels ive been able to do a better job at articulating my points when im approached by the many religious nuts in my life.
Groups like the AFA are becoming even more hardline and extremist, and I didn't think that was possible
From what I remember (I used to listen to Begg habitually) he is one of the most reasonable, but solidly Scripture based preachers among the more popular Christian influencers. He emphasized the love of Christ and backed it with solid biblical understanding. It was one of the things I always appreciated about him. The conservative right truly are a fickle bunch. "Nevermind the 40+ years of things you said that I agree with. This one thing is enough for me to toss you out" 🙄
Welcome to the Left Alistair Begg. We've been expecting you. Now you can see the whole picture. Plus this is schadenfreude.
And of course, the myth they claim to worship is nothing like that:
"And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them." - Luke 15.
No greater hate, than Christian love.
@@Giddyup777 woaw, such an original thought!
@@Giddyup777 it isn't a fact, but a claim. facts would support that claim, but you have none to do so. you're just saying "no u" and that's it. pathetic.
She questioned the Begg and got a very prudent and thoughtful answer. His peers went nutzo, and disgraced themselves.
To paraphrase Oliver Cromwell, I beseech these pastors, in the bowels of Christ, consider that they may be wrong.
Grandma should go because she loves him
Even if I could swallow the lies and the bad logic, I just don't have enough hate in my heart to be Christian.
being reprimanded for suggesting Christians should show humanity to their loved ones despite what they think. Every step towards co-existance is always met with another two steps back.
THUNDERDOME!!
Right wing pastor: "You should go to your grandson's wedding to a trans person. Show love first." Other right wing Christians: "NO! Only hate allowed! You're canceled!"
I don't think his advice came from a good place, but at least he's trying to follow Jesus' teachings to treat others with love and kindness. The response only shows how far from Jesus the American Christian right has come. I don't believe in God or Satan, but if they exist, the Devil's greatest trick wasn't convincing the world he doesn't exist, it's convincing the Christian right that greed and hate were what Jesus really preached.
The bigotry of "good Christians" is appaulling!
Do we know if the grandma was openly transphobic? Did the grandson think she'd be a problem at the wedding? I know he knew she didn't agree but my mother doesn't agree with LGBT+ people and finds it immoral but she'd come to and accept myself or younger sister with someone else who is LGBT+.
It really comes down to how much the homophobe/transphobe is willing to give up in order to act like a decent human being.
All awhile probably patting themselves on the back for it, &/or thinking they're being "tested" or oppressed.🤔
There’s also the political implication of not inviting your grandma to your wedding. Like the family might have pressured them to extend an invitation.
@@ChipCheerio Political?
He has been deleted from the conference.
In all likelihood the Grandma was looking for affirmation of her position.
I really hope nobody is surprised at this normal true Christian behavior.
"They'll know we are Christians by our HATE!"
Her wedding gift is, "The Big Gay Cookbook."
Evangelical here. Many pastors I know would actually say the same thing.
I agree with a lot except the recommendation not to invite the grandmother.
If the person getting married has a relationship with their grandparent or other family, and they want that person there, and they trust that person to be loving (even if that family member doesn't agree with the wedding), they should invite that family member.
To do otherwise is just as bad as what the fundamentalists are doing.
I think in this case, the pastor was right to recommend that the grandmother go, just as I would recommend any couple to invite the people they love and trust to their wedding.
My wife's family is a different religion than my wife and I, but we invited them to the wedding despite their disagreements religiously.
My brother, who is gay, was my best man. My in laws have grown to know and love him too. That would not have happened if we excluded them.
Put one foot in front of the other… and soon you’ll be walking cross the flooOO00r…
Put one foot in front of the other… and soon you’ll be walking out the door!!
I don't like this "don't invite your grandma" business.
We trans people fight MANY battles you never see. We DO try to work with family members who have transphobic views. Even transphobes can be respectful and behave themselves. As long as we thought they could be polite for a day. We don't have the luxury of cutting off family and friends and coworkers for a transphobic view/opinion.
At my wedding in the 2000's, one of my husbands aunt's didn't attend the wedding because she was anti-queer. She was invited. She came around a few years later and made a BIG show of how she was supportive now and commenting on how she saw the video of the wedding and how beautiful it was and how she wished she "didn't have to miss it.". So, progress.
Bainbridge Ohio I've been to his church when I was buying this Jazz hook line and sinker.
Aren't all humans sinners, including the people calling out sin the loudest? So, maybe treat people with kindness and decency, even and especially if you really think they're going to hell.
I've heard him on radio. He's not the worst. Wrong, but far from the worst.
I often wonder if any of these "Christians" has ever read their own book. According to Mark 12:28-31, Jesus was asked which was the most important commandment. He said the most important were to love God and to love your neighbour as yourself. There were, he said, no commandments greater than those. How can these right wing fundamentalists call themselves Christian when they completely ignore Jesus' second commandment?
11:50 yep, took the words out of my mouth.
We're supposed to respect Jesus when he has people like this as his representatives?
Jesus is just the swimsuit model. No Christian respects Jesus, let alone follows his teachings.
Being hated by the Trumpvangelicals is a mark of merit.
because family is permanent, ask your bigoted grandma and be as loving as possible. So long as doing so won't be dangerous/won't potentially result in domestic violence.
You're not allowed to be slightly reasonable on the far right. Its a sin.
@@Giddyup777 yet another "no u" argument, so brave...
Both liberals and conservatives are unreasonable, that is those that are on the extreme.
I hope these Christians keep this up. More empty pews day by day as they convince people to push away theirs loved ones.
Christianity is "Emotionally Abusive" malpractice!😮
I never understand how in the transcendent realm of Jesus they actually have such mundane, worldly things as "kings".
It's Jesus also the ultimate dog-catcher, above all other dog-catchers?
Insufferable
I thought only god could judge ones sins?
I can understand the pretend grandson extending an invitation to the grandmother. He’s would probably be dealing with trying to keep his connections to family. He would also look better to the family by inviting her. In a perfect world, we could just drop everyone who doesn’t support us, but it’s easier said than done.
At this point I am not disappointed just ashamed. Why do they have to keep the bath water. Just keep the baby.
Being judgmental only works if one is without sin!
I don't know what you're talking about. Their lineup is incredibly diverse. They have a token black guy! /s
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No kinda about it. This fucking hilarious 😂 I laughed my ass off.
Fear the god that loves you unconditionally. While ignoring the obvious contradictions in that statement.