The Children of the Forest's Biggest Secret Exposed? - Game of Thrones Season 8 (Theory)
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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2018
- Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and ASOIAF Theory Video. Today I will be talking about several characters from this story. This theory mostly revolves around Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest, and their relationship with Bran Stark. I happen to believe Bloodraven, also known as the Three Eyed Raven, purposely put Bran Stark in position to lose the use of his legs. It appeared as if Bloodraven wanted to groom Bran, to help him become the next Three Eyed Raven, but I believe he may have had a hidden agenda with the Children of the Forest. I don't think they are as innocent as they appear. We know the Children of the Forest created the Night King. After they did this, they ended up losing control of their creation, so they had to team up with the First Men in order to stop them. They were successful, and the Others went back beyond the Wall, but somehow the Children of the Forest ended up behind the Wall as well. Now that man has taken control of all of the lands, I think it is very possible that the Children of the Forest are still looking to get their revenge, and they may have been lying to us for all these years. Do they really want to stop the Night King, or have they been manipulating everyone into believing so? There is one major reveal coming next season, and it could have something to do with their relationship.. I am not 100% sure that I am right, but I think there is more to the Children and the Others that we need to learn, and we may be surprised when we find out.. Let me know what you think. Thank you for watching!
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Something I forgot to add.. The Night's King was brothers with the King in the North at the time, and they ended up fighting each other until the death. If this theory is true, then this story from history may parallel what's happening now. Jon will have to kill his 'brother' Brandon Stark (Same name as the Night's King)
I'm not saying Bran is the NK, but if Mel is right, he is a servant of the great other.. Sad thing is, Bran may not even know it, but still die because of it..
Bran says he knows everything now...so he may know what is to come next. That’s why he gave Arya the dagger.
Excellent theory! I would love to see the children actually controlling the night king. Old Nan's statement is definitely suspicious. And one of the most interesting scenes in S7 was Bran giving the dagger to Arya. He looked reluctant to let it go. Bran will probably get stabbed with that dagger in the end, whether it's Arya or Jon who kills him with it.
I do believe he gave the dagger to Arya because he knew she would use it on the man who gave it to him.. The look on his face as it slid from his hand to hers was very telling imo..
Great video as always. I think putting dragonglass into the man's chest is just a ritual to make White Walker vulnerable to dragonglass, not creating the NK. And that man has never moved from the three ever since waiting for someone to release him.
Ellery Harris true and why he is so distant from everyone emotionally because he’s like why bother 🤷🏻♀️
who's back here after the series finale?
same
Yes, the show could have easily gone on for one or two more seasons...
I think this will happen in the books
We are. Coming at ya from NW Montana.
Winter is coming,,,,
"Don't listen to him Little Lord. Crows are all liars."
Old Nan to Bran.
Always makes me wonder...
I remember that statement. Blood raven sucks.
Open to all ideas right now. Who knows?
This right here seems like the most damning evidence towards Bloodraven's intentions..like George set it up from the very beginning
They do mention the difference between crows and ravens
*I Wish you were the writer of GOT*
Deepak Singh Agreed! And it would be FINISHED! In fact, if he wrote his own version, I’d buy it...
Me too.
U guys are brain dead
A few things I'd love if you could talk about:
The weirwood trees are basically death trees, and should not be trusted, not them, not the old gods, not the children, not anything that gets their powers from them, they feed off the life essence of everything around them. I think that like you said, the children are using bloodraven for his powers, they could have sensed he was a greenseer and locked him to the tree so the tree itself (which we're told contains all the collective conscious of dead children) could take over his body/powers. Also, in the first chapter where the Dothraki are mentioned, it is mentioned that they do not have words for certain things, they live in open grasslands, so untamed it is called a sea, obviously there are no trees where they live and so they do not need a word for tree, but they do have one thing that stands out in their culture: the belief that the "ghost grass" from the shadowlands... "grass", white and tall and big, and which drains the life from everything that surrounds it, will take over the world one day.
Obviously different from the show, but in the books, bloodraven doesn't seem to have any idea who the three eyed crow is, so it could be two different sides that want bran to awaken his powers. My theory has always been that the night king is a reluctant hero, maybe even the last hero, who was a Stark greenseer who sacrificed himself to warg the others and take them north, on the condition that the next Stark (maybe the only bloodline strong enough) greenseer, will take his place, and it happens to be Bran.
The whole book series and show is filled to the brim with the theme of ice and fire and balance, Jon is the song of ice and fire because he is half Stark half Targaryen, he is the new azor ahai because of it, it can't be Dany who is just fire or their baby (if they have it) because the baby would be fire and fire and ice. So here's the thing, why did dragonglass (frozen fire, a balance of fire and ice) turn man into basically an ice demon? I doubt they'll go this route, but I think it might depend on the bloodline. If plunged into a Stark it will turn them into a White Walker, if plunged into a Targaryen (or similar houses, just using examples), it will be a fire based demon (which seem to exist beyond the shadowlands in Essos, coincidentally, where dragons come from and from where strange men came to Valyria to teach the people there dragon binding and other fire magic). So what about Jon Snow, the balance of both? Would plunging dragonglass into his heart finally bring the balance the world so desperately needs?
You make some great points, and raise some more very interesting questions.. I like what you said about the grass. When its described, it almost sounds like 'The Others' also.. Grrm is a big fan of science fiction. I wonder if this entire planet has something evil to it.. The trees, grass, weather (long night), moons (Dragon eggs that hatched) etc...
Talking Thrones don't doubt it one bit, half of the book The World of Ice and Fire is references to Lovecraft, so we know he loves his cosmic horror, and nothing gets more Lovecraftian than being on an "evil" planet or have an "evil" god inhabit your planet and influence it through nature (maybe in the shadowlands, where so much of the magic on this world comes from)
And the lands of Asshai....there are no children born there. I think something seriously evil is going on there. Melisandre is from Asshai right? Animals die in Asshai supposedly, I think the ghost grass and those shadowland are sucking the life out of the world. What if The Doom fell because they tried to stop them.
Idk. But its definitely something to think about. I cannot hav Jon die though. Not him. NOT again..
Interesting that if Jon has dragonglass plungedinto his heart and "brings the balance the world needs" it could also be related to fixing the seasons in "Planetos". GRRM said that the seasons would be fixed by the end of the books.
A man sees talking thrones notifications, a man obeys
Thank you my friend
So do a gurl natch
A nice theory, worthy of complexity in the books, but the show is too dumbed down to ever make such a good hidden plot and theories entangled within and outside of it, at this point.
Yeah you're most likely right. Thanks for watching though!
They could do a quick turnaround without needing to fill in all these details, just simply have Bran seem to betray everyone at a crucial moment, open the gates for NK or something, giving a short "the Children have their revenge" statement. Or maybe NK only wants to rest in peace, and the Winterfell crypts are the only place he can, so Bran opens it up for him, seeming to betray by doing the NK's bidding, but everyone ends up ok with it. The Children may have promised to help NK get his rest due to their having created an immortal and troubled creature who can never rest.
Since the show left the books behind it became a single rush to the end, loosing all the love for details and the pattern of the many twists it had. After season 8 they should go back to the point where the movies"left"the books and finish it according to the books, give the whole thing some time and love again - maybe even wait until the book series is finished.
@@Loelta1 season 8 is the last season.
@The Credible Hulk CORRECT
I'm here after watching your series finale video just now. ❄🔥😊
Holly Hampton me too!;)
Wish you had written game of thrones we would have got a better ending
Lol ur joking right?
@@midnite_in_november he mean the The show
One thing we know for sure is that BloodRaven is a lier. He showed Bran his father Ned in the past at the Tower of Joy and told Bran he could not change what has already happened because the ink was dry, but Bran called out to Ned and Ned heard him.
Interesting...like Nan said...all crows are liars.
this also happens in the ADWD's as well Bran see's a vision of Ned in the Godswood in the past and calls out to him and Ned in the vision seems to hear or sense something because he looks around and asks who is there, so this may be foreshadowing for Bran to properly interact with people in the past through the trees and more in time
Kendra Planter I think now it was foreshadowing....in Season 8 Bran will have to go back to attempt to change something.
Nancy-Jo Nunez
Come on now, something??? Don't you mean everything??? 🤣
The way I interpreted it was that any attempts to alter the past would have already been carried out by Bran. Therefore anything he changed in the past would lead to the same history he knew in the current timeline. For example Bran warged into Hodor in his vision which led to him being mentally impaired and into the same Hodor we knew in the current timeline.
"Say, got any corn?" lmao
Hes such a smartass lmao.. Bran just fell and was crippled. Now hes in a coma, and the first thing Bloodraven asks is if he has any corn? 🤣😂
I know right haha. That's what I was thinking lol. Too funny
Corn = Crown is one of those theories out there
Gotta say I'm intrigued. You found some compelling evidence for this theory. Old Nan saying that all ravens are liars and Bran accessing blood ravens branches only to have the Night's King waiting for him...
Thanks Drew.. I thought it was very weird that Bran grabbed his branch, and not the one that was already next to him.. Somehow the Night King just happened to be waiting there for him.. Seemed fishy
Old Nan was best! She knew everything.
Totally SUSPECT!
@@TalkingThrones it sure was. More than fishy
Or if bran dropped in on a meeting. Because I’m all reality he wasn’t suppose to grab that branch..... or yeah he set him up to get touched so he can walk through the wall. But nights king never messes with John.... and that creepy way he put his hands up in their first meeting. Like see what I have here. See what’s going on. Or he could be like yo, where you going
i never felt right about Bran, something always bothered me but i didnt know what. i saw this video month ago and this theory stuck in my head. Man, you were right! :) This season is missing 4 more episodes to explain some stuff. The way they end it...they runied everything for me.😔
You are definitely on to something! I've kinda wondered about this ever since Bloodraven said "it's time for you to become me" and Bran is no longer himself. I thought for sure his reunion with his siblings would be heartfelt but it seemed rather cold and maybe it's cuz Bran really did die in the cave and Bloodraven used him to get out of there. It makes complete sense and I hope they give us something in season 8. Thanks Dan...you rock :)
I already think this is bittersweet. We are all in denial. I want to 😢. Our Bran did die with his Summer. In that cave. Who is this person?
He does doesn't he?
I've been saying this for years, brans is working for the great other and doesn't even know. Bloodraven is not some innocent old man, he turned king aerys mad by Whispering in his ear. Mel asks to see a vision of the great other and sees bran and bloodraven.
Marina and the Almonds this theory as legs and it could be
100% agree, HE IS the bittersweet ending. Brans entire life is fucked and sad. He tries to help but makes everything worse.
I think Bran drove Areys mad not Bloodraven. But we can agree to disagree. 😘😘😘😘 this is a friendly communication! I don’t want to start anything. You are awesome!
Oh, but I do agree that Bran is unknowingly working for the great other!!!
Mad king got mad after being abducted thats why he lost his mind. And blood raven sacrificed his honor for the realm by killing his Brother.
This theory could actually work & make sense if you consider that the COF may have had split factions or rogue agents within their ranks. In other words, just like humans, they differ politically too. So maybe not all COF were in agreement with the treaty & were either banished or left voluntarily for beyond the wall.
Yes.
I wanted to thank you for all your fine work with the channel. Because of your channel I have a considerably better understanding of Westerosi History. I just started the book Series. I sincerely appreciate taking you personal time and sharing insight from the book series for those of us that only watched the snow. I wanted to clarify what a friend shared with me. My friend said that that The Children of The Forest and The first men shared thousands of years of harmony after a pact that was agreed upon. He also said that The First Men adopted the God of the Children and that all the Kingdoms The First Men established had a Godswood Concept that was coupled with the Kingdoms.
My friend thought that The First Men were from the Bronze Age. The Andals arrived after a considerable period of peace and prosperity between The First Men and the Children. He also said that the Andals were from the Iron Age which gave them superior steel weapons to the First Men and the entire concept of Knighthood was an Ideal of The Andals. The Andals worshiped the God of the seven as well. The Andals considered The Children and First men Heathens and subsequently destroyed all the kingdoms and made it a point to cut down every Wierwood they encountered along with the Godswood forest concept. The Andals almost completely eradicated the children and the handful that survived migrated northern part of the kingdom that still had a forest and Wierwoods. The First Men migrated North as well and the current human inhabitants that live in the north still worship the old gods as well. Aegon showed up several thousand years later with his dragons. My friend didn't tell me what became of the Andals. Perhaps they interbred with the first men to the point where there was no longer a distinction between the two groups of men.
Was The Knight King decedent from the Andals or first men? I think your absolutely correct about The Knight King descending from House Stark. I'm confused about The Children telling Bran that they created the night king because they were being slaughtered and needed protection. When Bran asked "from whom?" The children replied "from you." I guess I don't understand why the children's pact with the first men ever ended given that the had a common enemy in The Andals.
The only thing I wanted to point out was that the children went north on their own accord because that is where the remaining Wierwoods were. Certainly the oldest Wierwoods. So is it reasonable to assume that the children ended up north of the wall to maintain proximity to the sacred trees that were pivotal to their religion?
Please forgive this ridiculously long narrative. From the limited information I have, it seems the distinction between the first men and the andals is no longer a distinction. Have the children still consider the two groups of men separate? The children may be north of the wall out of necessity to their God rather than it being a punishment.
I understand that you don't have the time to respond to all the comments and any comments from followers would be great as well. This theory of this video would be heartbreaking. The video provoked all these thoughts, please forgive my lack of knowledge. I will eventually reald everything.
I guess I'm in the Great Game now, and The Great Game is frightening!
Could there be 2 faction of the children? The extremist (who want all man kind to die/team NK) and the one who made the pact with the humans and help push them back and then help with the wall
Yes.. I wanted to mention this in the video, but I just recently considered this thanks to a Q&A question.. I didn't think of it on my own so I didn't use it, and I forget who it was that I could have credited..
That makes sense. There are multiple factions of men after all.
I havent read the books, but almost everything that happens in got has been hinted at/fortsahdowed in the first season. So i dont think its very likely that in the last season the children of the forrest suddenly have internal conflicts
Yes, in the book doesn't Arya see a child of the forest on her travels? This one is south of the wall...
That would actually make sense...
I'm so glad you posted this video! You totally articulated and put together bits and pieces of random things I've thought while reading the books and watching the TV program but could never quite string together myself! This was great...
Thanks again for your phenomenal work and dedication to quality. I noticed something. When Bran was talking to the girl and said “it was you. You created the night king” And when he asked her why, she said they made him to Defend themselves. He ask her from who. Her reply was not plural. She didn’t say from the first men. She said FROM YOU!! I think she was being direct meaning from Bran. He’s a bigger part of the beginning than we know. I think His role as Bran Stark was to bring them to the current place. His fall was a significant part in starting the war. A controlled chaos in my opinion that will be the final twist!
I think it is plausible. I always found it unsettling that the series opened with Bran witnessing an execution. John said don't look away. When Ice came down on the sentenced man John looked at Bran. The shows final scene could end with John killing Bran with Ice. If Bran told John to not look away that would be epic.
All I can say is....Wow. If this isn't how the story plays out, it should be.
I would love a big turn to come at the end
The Night King is no doubt a threat to the Children as much as anyone else. I don’t think it’s far fetched to think that Bloodraven, the Reeds, The Children and Bran are all agents of the Night King/Great Other without even knowing. They could think they are fighting back, while unbeknown to them, the Night King is using their powers against them.
What I find interesting also is that Bloodraven showed Bran the fight at the Tower of Joy, how Ned Stark was not that honorable as he always told everyone. But he did not want Bran to learn what was in that tower. (Or it was on purpose thar he pushed Bran always back, making him nosy). When Bloodraven is ALREADY DEAD we see Bran watching Ned and Lyanna and a baby. Bran does not hear what is being spoken. He takes Jon for a Sand. WHY? Why would Bran Stark not look further into Jons past? Sam comes in and tells Bran that Rhaegar married Lyanna and all of a sudden Bran hears Lyanna naming the baby Aegon(?). That is odd. Also: Gilly read that Rhaegar married "a woman" in Dorne. But Brans vision did not looke like Dorne at all. Are those visions the truth? I actually doubt it. If the Night King manipulates Brans vision or directs them to a false truth in order to hide the real truth? The Night King might want to hide who and how he can be truly defeated and so he sets up a story that only creates more chaos while he comes marching south.
I always wondered if brandon stark had to die so ned could marry cat and have bran
Did you notice how the three eyed raven with the beard and long hair/bald looks like the white walker Drawn on the cave...?
That's true the first one did look like a Walker
just because we didn't see him doesn't mean he wasn't warging the ravens around the tower and influencing bran's decisions.
Summer88 But the crow was around the whole time...you can always hear them in the background especially when when Bran was climbing the tower.
Ellery Harris But it didn't lead him there. He was climbing up there to watch Ned leave. Plus, we hear the crows all the time, whether Bran is in the scene or not. There's zero evidence there. Everyone knows Bran's visions began after the fall.
Summer88 Absolutely! But in a literary sense...this is symbolic bc the crowd crowing is an annoying background noise that later on becomes his reality...subliminal foreshadowing. Have you gone back and watched the episodes? Just like when Ned tells Jon in S1 E2 that he will tell him about his mother, he promised and we all know Ned keeps his promises but in S7 E9 in the Dragonpit when Jon is talking about his “father” being honest not telling lies and how lies basically snowball....which could also go back to the conversation Varys and Littlefinger had about how Westeros and the first Targaryen Kinv was a lie...you just have to pay attention...I do
It’s kinda interesting that the overhead view of the gods eye has the same spiral pattern around it that was seen in the very first episode with the arranged body parts in the snow
Great video indeed and it doesn't sound ridiculous at all. And maybe Bran is not the only one who is used. Let me add some thoughts. I watched the instructive video about Bloodraven by the Order of the Green Hand a while ago and they pointed out, that the kindly man in the House of Black and White who Arya met looks exactly like Bloodraven: "A yellow skull with a few scraps of skin and a white worm wringling from an empty eye socket". And there are even more parralels: When Bran enters Bloodraven's cave all colours vanished and everything was just black and white only, the COF display hundreds of skulls from dead people in niches carved from stones - like the Faceless Men keep their faces, they consider death as a gift, because giving them to the weirwoods grants them eternal godhood, the majority of the House of Black and White is underground (like the cave), half of the door in the House of B&W is carved from Weirwood. - So maybe the Faceless Men are connected with the Children of the Forest somehow. And maybe Bran AND Arya have been lured to these locations so their abilities could be used the same way like Bloodraven's.
Just noticed it's 25 minutes long. Going to get some icecream roll something, then my watch can begin
Beautiful lol
Literally saved my life
Fede Anna. Am about to sleep too
ottima idea :D
Fede Anna We GoT fans are WEIRD AND I LOVE IT!! 🤪
Great theory!!! I like the complicated ones. Makes it seem more plausible. Thanks man
Thank you Emily.. It was tricky to put together, but I was hoping it made some sense.
Talking Thrones I just commented this on another of your videos, but I'll say it again, you should check out this CZcamsr bridge4. You might like the way he shows how he connects things. It might help you. You could contact and or collaborate with him
I have started rewatching from season 1. I love finding references you had mentioned in previous videos. Thank you for all your hard work making these videos.
Maybe in the books, but not in the TV Show, the writers are not capable of such complex storytelling xD
Sad to say but you're right
Bran: But I'm not, not really.
Meera: You died in that cave.
Bran... is gone...
@@TalkingThrones I think Bran as a stark is gone yes, but he became something much powerful than a simple human. He can't have emotions because this has become a weakness to his powers. If he had still emotions and he was attached to his family, he couldn't endure to see past, present and future without becoming totally mad
@@hugolmr1327 honestly its all too much.
@@ceciliamiller975 what do you mean ?
@@hugolmr1327 Oh i meant all the theories that are out there Including my own. I REALLY need the new Season to start already. A lot in common with the Mad King.
It would be cool if this turns out to be true but it would be sad.
When I first saw the Children of the Forest in the Show, I remembered thinking that they looked more sinister than I imagined they would
Been watching your videos for a while, this is definitely top 3 most interesting theories material. Really entertaining to put the pieces together on this one, thanks for putting in the work!
The other piece to the puzzle is the rebirth of the dragons. The night king needed the dragon to destroy the wall. Since it was assumed they were all dead the children of the forest waited. Once Bloodraven saw the dragons returning they put the plan into action so they could get one.
I definitely think something is up with Bloodraven though... At least in the books. Because, even though Melisandre is famous for misinterpreting her visions, it is awfully strange that in her vision of Bran and 3ER, she thinks she is looking at the Great Other, or at least an agent of the Great Other. I mean, you would think she would at least be able to figure out whether the people she sees are on her side or are her sworn enemy... Lol
Also I think it would just really be a good twist and shakeup if the 3ER turned out to be the Great Other / the Night King. And the COTF... Don't even get me started on them... There's a whooole other thing going on with the COTF, that's for sure.
I agree. At first they reminded me of say kool aliens from a Star Trk episode but sophisticated Now they just creep me out. Did you see that one's face when she was getting jackedup? ZERO EXPRESSION. Creepo
Umhuummm!
I'm curious how on earth you can see which side someone is on, by merely looking at them. How does that provide the context of the sides of whom you're observing
I agree, what do you think about last weeks episode?
Isn’t that the arrowhead mountain in the back where the “children of the forest” are huddled together? Just without the snow? Now time has passed and it covered in ice and snow because it’s so cold in the air/land now that the night king inhabits the “north north”
I really like the re-interpretation of "All men must die". Gave me chills to think that it was not a man-made, philosophical-type, saying, but rather a call to arms from The Children and/or Walkers. It also makes "All men must serve" have a different meaning as well. Makes me want to investigate the connections of The Children and those from Valyria (if there are any) where the call and response of Valar Morghulis and Valar Dohaeris originated, and why it is used with seemingly more importance with the Faceless Men. Good stuff, dude. Good stuff.
Another issue is how the crows that gathered outside the house were sam and gilly were hiding that night, the crows behaving like that implies that bloodraven was controlling them, meaning that he deliberately put sam in that position, knowing the outcome, so that Sam could uncover the secret of dragonglass, but could it be that bloodraven was also manipulating craster to give the baby boys to the dead army?
Hodor,Summer,Jojen, &Bran were blood sacrifices at the COTF weirwood tree. I love this video,probably my fave of yours! Bran sees Hodor go down in seizure just as BR finally takes Bran the HOST over,and Bran is now hiding in a tiny corner of his mind like HE would do to Hodor. Oh man,just remember the quotes of how Bran would take over Hodor...not too pleasant for Hodor😣.
I think this is a great theory. Also, in the books, in the weirwood tree, when Bran wargs into Hodor, and explores the caves, there are children of the forest that seem to be held captive in the net. There’s something weird going on with the 3ER, which makes me feel like the ending to the show is not a happy one.
Just ran into your channel and I'm so impressed! I have to say, now that the teaser for Season 8 is out, it further adds evidence to your theory-I wondered why Bran was missing when all the other Stark children (well, and Jon) were standing in the crypt. It could be because Bran is no longer a Stark. You might be on to something!
That's a really interesting theory. As I was watching, an idea popped into my head:
There's another theory that all the past Brandon Starks are the same one going back trying to prevent this Wight Walker attack we see/read. In line with this theory, what if Bran realizes this manipulation by the Children and Bloodraven, and does go back (as Bran the Builder or sth) in hopes of trying to make things right again, putting his power/skill into better use for mankind. ??? Don't know how this holds up with the rest of the books, it's just from the top of my head.
Altho tbh I don't think these theories would be true, but I would be glad and amazed if it was. The complexity is mindblowing.
Awesome video. Glad I stayed to watch. Definitely changes everything!
Nice! Thanks
This is a very very interesting theory. And very GRR Martinesque. Jon kills Bran, bran a pawn of the children/WW, bitter sweet ending to say the least
Makes you wonder what the Night King and Bran exchanged during the Battle of Winterfell. Bran knew he would become King; he shared this with the Night King and told him to sacrifice himself to ensure Bran became King. Bran then plots a plan with the Children to take back their world?
I have given some thought to idea that a powerful skinchanger like Varamyr 6 skins can move his consciousness into another body and avoid death. Funny how we also see warnings "beware the undying". I think Bryndon moves his consciousness into Bran.... for Bran to become Blood Raven = though most interpret this another way. The Children of the Forrest seek to help Blood Raven.... they've known him for much longer and are probably much more loyal to him. So, yeah, Bran is no longer Bran.... he's Blood Raven the Undying.
i prefer your version of GoT over D&D's
You're right.
What if Brans been in a coma the whole time..with a really vivid imagination..AND Ned Stark is still alive 😄
LOL - I guess when this happens GRRM will be flayed alive by a large bunch of GOT fans...
Lol. "And it was all a dream". Woooooh...
Wow, mind blown. Once I got what you were working toward, it's clearly plausible and a fantastic twist. The Children always gave me the creeps and I couldn't quite figure out why. You've done another great job putting pieces together and making a credible case for an interesting story twist.
Absolutely fascinating... thank you for organizing all this evidence & presenting this complicated theory so well.
Thanks Alicia!!
WOW! You reached way out on that one! lol! I'm listening to this, you sound like a writer as well!
Lmao for real
I remember watching this video about the entire time line of ASOIAF and in the video the guy said the White walkers were created somewhere between the Pact on the Isle of Faces and the Andal invasion. If this is true, the children created the walkers when they were at peace and hence were planning all of this all along. So your theory could be true if that timeline was correct.
That is a very interesting detail if true. I need to look into this. Thanks
GameBros Ⓡ I remember that as well. I do think that is true.
Would be funny if Bran threw a wrench in the NK's plan. After all the story isn't finished and only Bran truly knows how to break the cycle :)
@@TalkingThrones any news on this? I really think it makes sense that the children are the big bad
I know this is a really old video at this point, but you came up with some interesting thoughts. I got to say, in the beginning I did think you were crazy like you predicted, LOL but once I listen to all the little things that you had put together it actually makes a whole lot of sense!
It feels like there isn’t just the north/south faction divide, it seems like there are three. I don’t think the Children of the Forest intended to create the night king the way he turned out, they lied. In the vision, look at the expression as they plunge the dragonglass into his chest, I think they were trying to plunge a blade into his heart to create a lightbringer. Azor Ahai first plunged a blade into the heart of a lion but it failed, Lannisters are lions- maybe they created the night king on accident because they thought he was a targarian. Nissa Nissa made the sword radiate heat, targarians are fire. They made a false light with no heat, the Night King. They are after the right sacrifice now, a targarian prince, the Night King knows this that is why he takes Crastor’s male sons and makes them his own- to keep them away from the Children of the Forest. He is coming now because the prince that was promised has already been born and the Children of the Forest are looking for him. The Night King has to find him first, if he doesn’t the Children of the Forest will have their lightbringer and kill off humanity. The Night King doesn’t want to bring winter to all the world, but he does need to find the prince that was promised before the Children of the Forest. They will end all humanity and the Night King if they do. Baby Rhaego is that prince, if he hadn’t been believed to be dead then the Children of the Forest would find out because they have eyes everywhere, the trees. The Dothraki were in plains without trees anywhere in sight, he was meant to be born in Dothraki land. The trees could not speak to his whereabouts because there are none. Khal Drogo and Daenerys were heading out of Dothraki lands with the prince that was promised, compromising his safety and anonymity from the trees. Drogo had to die and Daenerys believe he was dead to keep him safe from the Children of the Forest. But someone knows he exists and the Night King and Children of the Forest know. It’s a race of whoever finds him first and the people don’t even realize it. The biggest threat are the Children of the Forest, not the Night King. They are the common enemy of both sides.
Thanks again Dan for another great video ;-)
I almost certain you are in the right direction. Always wonder why Howland Reed sent his children to help Bran. How he knew he needed help to find the 3 eye Raven? So everybody kindof were on the same plot. Get Bran there so he can use him. Anyway if Bran is inhabitated by the 3ER is part of the plan show Jon parentage? And will Bran help Sam to find the way to defeat them? ... I have a headache ..lol great video as always!
Lol it is very confusing. I started to get lost in it all while making it. Bran may not be fully overtaken by Bloodraven, but there may be some remnants that can still influence his decision making.
Amazing!! I think the 3ER never understood John Show 's parentage until Sam reveled it to Bran (3ER) and ask him to see it himself ( as much has the blood raven sees everywhere , it takes understanding to see the direction)
This tells me that J.S parentage marriage is the blood raven's missing puzzel, hence this mean the blood raven probably used the entire stark family except J.S who is mysterious .. JS is a big threat to the blood raven's plan about the W.W
Yves Mwembo that is very cool point!
Jon was killed by BR himself warging into the killers...so that he could have UnJon in his army !
@@TalkingThrones Dude i hope so. Im all for wild endings. I dont do well with the bittersweet stuff. I repeat i wanna cry now.
I saw this video then, but now... WOW! Thank you for linking it in your last video 👍🏻
This is a very convincing theory to me also my favorite video so far including all the new ones you have made thanks TT!
A plot twist involving the COTF as the villains of the story? Woww
I would love it if we got a twist like that.. Imagine if they really did sacrifice their own in the cave to fool us all. That would be insane.
Talking Thrones that would be George beating the ratings out of the show..cant imagine.maybe that's why the NK never speaks, he's not the Great Other.
@@TalkingThrones So the COF/3 eyes raven killed our deer Hodor!
They are the villains !! They made the knight king , said king is a dead guy/girl raising machine . I think we've found the baddies
Making COTF the bad guys would be glorious! Would give some substance and conflict to the meh S8E3 storyline...NK is that easy to vanquish, even given the massive loss of lives??? Somethings going on here, Lucy.......
This make sense.Oh,yes!!! But I have some strange feeling,that the Night King is Targaryen (or someone from Valyrians)...and he is trying to save the last Targaryans - Jon and Dany.He wakes up near the Roberts rebellion,he didnt kill Jon ( many times),he didnt kill Dany,he can ride a dragon ( ,,A dragon is not a slave"...) .Cersei is the bigest threat for Jon and Dany ,thats why the wight in the Dragon pit attacks directly her. What do you think about this crazy idea?....Thank you !!!
Podrick is azor ahai
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I love it.
Night King has controlling powers and he can control a dead dragon hence he doesn't have to be a Targaryen.
First of all, I gotta say that I loooove that you usually play the white walker theme music in the background of your videos. It's a very simple, often overlooked piece of music but I've always liked it.
Thanks. I really like using it when talking about the Night King or the Others in general. It's very subtle, but very effective.
I think what is also interesting in the books is that the children of the forest are also twisted into the roots of the trees like Bloodraven. Bran mentions their eyes watching him, those with visible eyes though they might not have mouths to speak. Perhaps a key to stopping the White Walkers for good would be to finish what the First Men started, and destroy all the trees. Perhaps that is where the children of the forest have housed their magic, and in destroying the remainder of them all of the magic bound to them would also be destroyed.
I dismissed this initially but you made several very, very interesting points. Good stuff. Lots to think about.
Also got me thinking about warging into dragons. Hmmmm.... excellent.
Thank you for being patient and listening to more of it.
+Talking Thrones - I enjoy your videos. Not likely to turn it off half way through. Even the 1st April faceless men, watched to the end. lol
Summer died for him too😔 this was epic!!💋
RIP Summer :(
EXACTLY💕
Summer ❤️❤️
Hell of a theory,I can jump right into much of it.Great job!Thank you for keeping me thinking!XO
I will admit that Bran gave us alot of clues as to him not being himself anymlonger. I suggested that to my son months ago and he said I was crazy so I dropped the idea. Happy to hear you having similar thoughts. One strange thing last season for me was when Bran sends crows north of the wall and he sees the army of dead and the knight king and his minions are standing on the rock that Drogon comes to rescue the group of heroes on. Bran comes out of that and say we need to send ravens. Seems like the night king was helping Bran lure Jon and Danny and Dragons to him so he could take one of the dragons to drop the wall. I do believe Bran is no longer himself.
The craziest thing is it sounds totally plausible...😎 TT😍 thank you
Thank you Najma
So if the Children of the Forest were able to use the trees in the same way that Bran uses the trees, why couldn't they see how it would end if they created the white walkers? Would they not see their eventual demise? Something I've always wondered.
Great theory it all makes sense. Keep up the good job TT! Hollering all the way from Trinidad.
Absolutely agree with this theory......I’ve been thinking the same thing for awhile! Hints that coincide with this theory-Nan’s warning, how Jojen was so easily discarded, “creepy Bran/BloodRaven”, and also note that the pattern w/ the stones at the God’s Eye is the same pattern The Others/NK left at the beginning of GOT and also when the Umber boy was killed and nailed to the wall with all of the body parts spiraling around him. Exact same patterns as seen at The God’s Eye!
I wonder why they decided to call him the Three Eyed Raven on the show, but Three Eyed Crow in the books. I guess maybe just because they call the nights watch "crows" so they didn't want anyone getting them mixed up or something?
Also, GREAT video, man... I just got to the end of it. Love the ideas and the points you bring up. I hoooope there's some kind of truth to all this. At least in the books. Just hard for me to believe that there are gonna be very many twists left, with only six episodes. Ugh. Damn D&D... They Coulda given us at LEAST ten seasons... Ten GOOD seasons of this show.
in theory they could explain a lot of things in the end, without really having to convince us in the way fan theories have to do. Fan theories have to rely on little clues from past events, while the show can just simply get away with telling how things are without focussing on any clues...explanaining things does not cost that much time. Fully showing things from begining to end costs a lot more time.
Dark deeds indeed my friend. I love it. Thanks for bringing this forward.
Thanks for watching my friend
This was one of your best videos , I literally had this thought before about the three eyed raven being evil with the children and causing brans fall, great video , something is off with the children of the forest and the three eyed raven , I like your videos because you don't look at game of thrones in a little box , you see possibilities in any situation of this story
Brilliant theory would bet on this! Perhaps Bran fights back mentally at points to regain control? Also could he fly by warging into the dead dragon? Perhaps he is already helping the night king, i mean hes powerful but enough to raise a dragon? He might have used Brans warging combined with his strength, using the allure of flying to draw whats left of bran in?
"BUT YOU WILL FLY" couple that with the foreshadowed image of drogon destroying civilians in kings landing I wouldn't be shocked at all if bran warged into drogon and went MAD KING
It 3 in the morning here.... still awake for this... thanks.. as always amazing...
NK is Bran who discovered the truth (the CoF manipulated him) and goes to Winterfell to destroy the last Weirwood (CoF's source of power) in Westeros.
really appreciate your videos man, keep thinking out of the box.
greetings from brazil!!
excellent analysis. I always look forward to listening your detailed and interesting theories. I had never thought the Children could be allies with the Others, that would be a mind blower if that pans out. Again really nice analysis
TT, your in-depth analysis and conjectures are so logical! I've have often thought the Children of the Forest are not what they seem, but I could never pinpoint what potential evil part they've played in the plot. You have!!!! Thank you! I, SO, enjoy your analyses. Have you thought of writing a fantasy book? You're stellar at plot development and details.
I completely agree with this theory. Ive thought something very similar... what if the great other is actually a child of the forest.
That would be very interesting. I don't think they are that much different. They draw their power from the same source more or less.
Talking Thrones kinda goes along with George wanting to go against the norm. Ir would be fitting that the big baddy in the show isnt the big scary night king, but actually the cute, seemingly innocent, small children of the forest
And can i just say, bro, youre videos are 100% my favorite of all the youtube game of thrones videos. I literally cant wait to get that notification that youve posted a new vid... i will be joing your patreon soon good sir, you most def deserve it
Children of the forrest are young girls..and the white walkers young men....They could have a good time together! (jk)
I just look at the way Bloodraven appeared when Bran and his crew first met him and how his appearance changed after the crew had spent some time with him in that cave. Whatever they were feeding Bran was working to reverse the image of Bloodraven because by they time he told Bran he would be no more, but instead would be him (Bloodraven), he looked tremendously younger, beardless, and more human like. He was feeding Bran what he needed to help him destroy himself, thus all the reasons Bran was acting so unbothered. I like this video because it said a lot of the things I'd already assumed.
I can honestly believe these plot twist because of how much deception and deceit they have so far in the story and who's to say that they purposely didn't sacrifice one of the children of the forest to the White Walker to help protect bran for future events and play into the belief that they're on man's side
The Children of the Forest could be in Civil War one rogue faction bent on destroying men.
Yep exactly right... Why would some be trapped up beyond the wall, while the others are at the God's Eye? Were they banished with the others because they created them? Something is going on..
@@TalkingThrones no it’s my fault I might have accidentally caused the Civil War between the children in the forest because well how do I put this the great other is not the children of the forest the great other is an alien being from another planet beyond human understanding living pretty much beyond the lands of always winter
Great theory! It actually makes a lot of sense.
Thank you Cassey
You amused me! I think think you've raised the best concernes and asked the best questions. I believe that you're a 100% right regarding the manipulation, the influence and the deeds. Where you're mistaken, on my opinion, is the motive. I know that vengeance makes a person desperate, but we are talking about 100s of years time in the planning, and an other in carrying it out. Taking back the land does not need this much scheme and conspiracy, "just" an army. As personal preference, I would be deeply disappointed if that's what it all would come down to, to sheer revenge. It just wouldn't feel worthy of this great epic to me.
I'm convinced btw, wonderful theory, the logic, or rather, enlightens the lack of logic in many things, and offers an explenation that adds up. However, the motive I don't like. Great job anyways, you earned one more subscribers :D
Love your videos, only thing that has been keeping me going until season 8, all the way from Nottingham England.
How do you explain the drawings in the cave beneath dragon stone and what jon did said to dany.
Thanks
This is one of the best theory you ever made TT. keep it up
I am getting addicted to these videos lol Keep up the good work.
Wow, so much content to chew on.
You have excelled yourself with this video.
Mutch to think about! Love this theory keep it up keep them coming!
Appreciate it
It would be sick if how you say the three eyed raven trapt brann in phases to lure him to the cave and that the three eyed raven becomes brann
"By the end of the video most of you eill think i have lost my damn mind... maybe i have"
We all have man, we all have
Thank you so much for this video! I have been saying this for about a year and leaving comments to other tubers, but, alas... until now. Seven blessings.
This is the best theory you have posted thus far! I love this theory and it makes so much sense! Thanks!
youve lost your mind TT 👍keep it up! its actually plausible
Lmao gotcha
It was good to see bloodraven with a new haircut for that new season
This is really genial! I have no other words to say how much is interesting this video. I mean, if this is true, It's gonna be epic. I always thought that the Three Eyed Raven had manipulated Bran's fall from the tower, in order to come to him, but I couldn't imagine a so complex thing. And the fact, the idea that Children of the Forest and Nk are allies, It makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for the video, i really appreciated this!
Great video! Keep it up. Loving the long theories!