1987 IBM PS/2 Model 25 + Model M SSK Unboxing & Setup
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2018
- Got a (mostly) new in box IBM Personal System/2 8525 computer system from 1987! Join me in unboxing the system, setting everything up, and exploring the software that it came with.
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The CZcams authority on vintage computers: "Look how clean my ball is!"
I freaking love you dude.
that dust probably was coke :p
"Sorry Gary Dix"
I was very intrigued by your technique of checking the manual before plugging things in. I will consider employing this technique.
LGR filmed this on the 1st of April. Gotcha!
cassnate6259 I don't understand. Is the manual supposed to contain some sort of information that is needed?
It’s to avoid trying to turn it on while you were supposed to do something. It avoids a confusing mess
To get started, might I suggest the Manual Reader's Manual, 5000th Ed., by Ur Mahm? It also comes with a free manual
Wow, I JUST now realized that the PS/2 keyboard/mouse connector comes from the IBM PS/2....
Fun fact: The PS/2 Model 25 was one of the first PCs to come with Windows. There was a "Collegiate Edition" of the Model 25 that came bundled with a mouse and a copy of Microsoft Windows 1.04, on 3½" diskettes.
how many 3 1/2 diskettes?
Iirc it fit on a single HD (1.44MB) disk. It seems to have been distributed on 5 360KB disks originally though? I never saw smaller than 720KB double sided disks myself.
EDIT: Actually, the earliy 5.25" disks were probably 360KB come to think of it (like old C64 disks).
But weren't they initially designed for this strange IBM os!?....I lack the name at the moment =)
You're thinking of OS/2... but not the Model 25. It wasn't powerful enough to run OS/2.
VWestlife Thx for educating me....I thought the two were related in some way...I grew up in the 90's...so although I grew up in the childhood of PCs... Or maybe the teen years...PS/2 and os/2 were before my time....
Thx again for your answers!! I appreciate it when ppl answer on CZcams... Way to few ppl do that here =)
Have a good one!! Greetings
Man, I miss when turning on your PC was like firing up a Jet.
Ironman1o1 Just switched fans in my Win 98 Compaq, before you heard that it was on if you stood outside the front door, now you can be in the same room with it on and almost not notice it :)
Just get some Pentium or PowerMac fans for the airport experience
You should hear the AIO water cooler on my PC XD.
lmao so true. Those beeps from the internal speaker, sounds of the hard drive booting up and "WRRRRRRR"s of the fan were amazing.
Never mind the sounds of Windows booting.
I Fart Oreos Which Windows did you have in mind, 95 and XP have the best start up sound imo
*Turns on SCSI drive*
IT'S SO QUIET YOU CAN BARELY HEAR IT
WHAT?!
LGR god that noise? Could you turn the volume down on it? Aha😝
The SCSI jet engine.
HUH??
I’m pretty sure that drive is going over 10,000 rpm
Oh, man! It's just like when I opened my fresh PS/1 (model 2168) back in '93!! Ohhhhh, the nostalgia!!!....
This just made my day, Clint! Thank you!! :)
It made me remember how theres few things as satisfying as a freshly cleaned mouse ball and rollers...
Senior year of high school, I was taking the highest level computer course my school taught. That would be word processing, using Word Perfect 3.1 on a network of these, ahh the early 90's.
Not much has changed, except now the highest level is making games in powerpoint.
Similar experience but also lotus 123.
I owned the PS 2 model 25, and I know from sad personal experience that it has a really bad design flaw. One day when I was inserting a floppy, it snapped the drive head right off. It used all proprietary parts, so you couldn't just install a clone drive. The system was two generations obsolete at the time, so I called IBM about getting the pin-out configuration to allow me to put a clone drive in. One of their techs explained it was a known design flaw; the floppy had been designed to install vertically, so its horizontal placement meant the drive head hung lower than spec and would eventually catch on the floppy and break.
The tech said they couldn't give me the pin-out, but they'd be happy to send out a technician to repair it... at $200 an hour, timed from the time they leave the office to the time they return. I politely declined his offer, took the thing to an independent tech, and he used a multimeter to get the pin-out himself. I ended up paying $25 for an adaptor so I could install a $15 clone drive instead of the $150 proprietary drive IBM wanted to sell me. (It turns out that IBM just moved the power pin from one side to the other, just enough difference that you'd fry your drive if you tried to use anything but their proprietary hardware.)
It had a very nice paperwhite monitor, though. Very crisp.
Thank you for sharing, I love hearing about older customer support issues
+crippanda6 I didn't mention the part where they used proprietary screws on the case and I had to break the case to get it open. They won't sell the driver heads to anyone but licensed IBM technicians.
How the times have changed
No wonder the clones killed them with scummy moves like that,
@NightlyY2Kdecaf Yeah, I know. Ironically if their licensing terms for the PS/2 hardware was less aggressive they could have succeeded. Greed killed them.
My favorite part of this was when you got excited and said, "Alright, lets use this mother******!"
This made my day by far. I'm always excited to see the content you put out.
Same.
As someone who only built their first PC last year these old PC's are almost alien to me. Love seeing how far tech has come in a relatively short time and how much more user friendly it is nowadays.
They were great for learning how computers work and programming in assembler and that kind of stuff, but, yeah, modern PC's are so much more fun. Old business software like spreadsheets and word processors were just awful.
What I miss from hardware of those days is build quality. Those keyboards are still in use and some of them are older than me. IBM just made things properly to last. They were expensive, but you knew damn well it was a good purchase.
Winston Wolfe These were dated even for their time.
Yup, now a days you don't really have to know a lot to put a desktop together.
@@ShadowRidgeHernando Still, not everyone can assemble a desktop computer these days. You need technical know how.
It's really a testament to the quality of your videos that I read the notification for a video about "IBM PS/2 Model 25 + Model M SSK", a topic that seems really boring to me, notice LGR uploaded it and click it instantly. You just have a way of making the most mundane topics interesting. Looking forward to you hitting 1m soon my dude.
Glad to hear that, and thanks :)
He did!
It's so satisfying to watch this video. Is like the Bob Ross of the retroware.
Rodrigo Badin "There are no bad computers, just happy little accidents..."
Exactly!
The user interface for most of that software was heavily influenced by IBM mainframe software design - the menus, 'enter selection number', F key options at the bottom of the screen, F keys used for everything, and the whole general appearance of the text screens.
John Ward watches LGR...I knew I was in good company.
Yes justice Yes peace!
I love that external SCSI enclosure. I have always had a fascination with first party external add-ons, and that is one of them. One that is also very intriguing is the IBM 5161 expansion chassis, though I have never seen one, only pictures.
YEEESSSSSS! This is the one that I grew up on in school. Lots of Oregon Trail and Space Quest played on this thing in elementary school.
Thank you so much for this unboxing, as a computer science student, I'm so curious about IBM stuffs like this, I'm so fascinated about the technology back then, it's kinda crazy how fast the technology could grew over the time
I love me some new old stock!
Ha, cool! I didn't know you were an LGR subscriber Lon (not that I'm surprised, heh). Love your channel too!
@@MoonsideResident to
Chicken or Beef?
I have a small Unisys Aquanta still new-in-box, and one that I've messed with some already.
When I moved to my dad's house, the school had hundreds of Model 25SX computers. Each class had 6 + labs with a full 25-30. The first year I was there, we had some kind of dual OS setup, and we had access to the internet from all computers because of the Token Ring network. They switched to Windows 3.1 for workgroups when I was in middle school around 1997. Before high school, my first summer job was working for the Board of Corporate Services, doing maintenance on all the AV tech and computers in my area. That was a great summer learning about tech and A+ certification stuff. We cleaned so many Model M keyboards with nothing but compressed air, fantastic cleaner, and a scrub brush. For those computers, you would pull 2 screws and disconnect a VGA cable, then blow them out. One guy forgot the cable and had to go back to 20 computers in 1 day and plug it back in. I wouldn't mind finding one of these 386 systems with ethernet to run DOS and Windows 3.1. I would also want to get the Model M to match. It also explains why I like clicky keys, as they were the keyboards I learned to type on.
"Look how clean my ball is"
Clint "balls of steel" Elgiarre 1969 - 2018
Pope Zosimus the Third I think it's more like 1989 lol.
And his surname is Basinger last I saw... were you referencing something?
Also, his middle name is “Simulated Woodgrain”
@@AgentTasmania Elgiarre said out loud is LGR
Basinger
LGR, I friggin' love the retro hardware on this channel. Please keep it coming and keep up the fantastic work!
If I remember correctly mouse balls never were the things that got dirty (pun intended), but those small plastic cylinders that registered movement. I always had an xacto knife handy to scrape the caked dust
René Jiménez that's how i remember the mouse on my family's pc back when, but school mouse balls would get FILTHY. what made it worse was the school glued/screwed the little compartment shut so you were stuck with barely useable mice.
The idea is that if you kept the ball clean the rollers wouldn't get caked up. Nobody did that though.
René Jiménez Yeah. When we got our first modern family PC in like 2000 it was always those rollers that got crudded up.
supercuttlefish1 I just ripped off that little "don't open" seal and cleaned the crap anyways, screw the IT guys that assume highschoolers don't know what a ball mouse was
Ha ha Back in the day when I did desktop support, staff repeatedly phoned in about their ball mice saying that the cursor was not going where they wanted to and could they please have a replacement. A quick scrape of the rollers with a small flat blade and staff looked at me with complete surprise as their mouse was as good as new. Great stuff, but I couldnt help wondering about that manky crap that coated their desks and ended up wrapped round the rollers.
When I was in tenth grade, lo these 30 years ago, I took a touch typing class, where we were taught that venerable art on electric typewriters. When we returned to school after Christmas vacation and I entered the classroom, all the typewriters had been spirited away and replaced by IBM PS/2s that looked almost identical to the one in your video (except the displays were color). No hard drives; they booted from either floppy disk (two drives) or off the LAN. If I had to look back, I'd say that's where my love for computers and tech really started.
What a fun trip down memory lane. I'm pretty sure my dad had this same (or very similar) model, but with his electronics expertise starting and ending with setting the VCR clock, it didn't get much use. On a side note, it's astonishing how much some of those older keyboards go for.
Another great video!
And they don't have any modern keys such as a windows key, sleep button or multimedia buttons. I much prefer quiet modern keyboards with the extra keys/buttons.
I wished I still had mine to sell to be rich. ;P
Model M FTW!
My dad wishes he has his baseball collection since he was a kid in the 1930s and 40s. And of course I wish I had bought shares in Microsoft in 1984 instead of Niagara Mohawk Power Corporation.
Wrestling With Gaming 0
"Alright, lets use this mother*BEEEEP*"
Lmao. Thats such a mood.
He said the f-word and that's somewhat not for people under 18 despite being replaced with the Color Bars sound effect.
@@WildDiamond07 CZcams after 2015. You can't use naughty words, but you can lie to kids by using clockbait titles.
I think LGR said the f-word more times.
@@WildDiamond07 That... was a quick response.
Well, yeah, but it still gives him trouble. I mean, even hollywood movies that have swearing in them don't all have the NC-17 rating, right?
Yes and f-word is used in some PG-13 movies.
"I used to have size 15 feet... for a bit... Then they like, shrunk..."
Dude...
jagardina yeah I'm wondering that myself
@@Xepscern Old thread, I know; but I was also in a similar boat myself when I was younger. My feet steadily grew up to a peak of 17 1/2-18 4E at 16 years old, but then started shrinking in my early-mid 20s down to 15s. Wasn't weight related either. I think it has something to do with the arch of the foot changing during growth spurts through puberty.
Big feet big meat
My feet used to be a size 14 but, similar to you, I lost a bunch of weight about 10 years ago and now I wear a size 12 or 13 depending on the brand. Never expected that as a side-effect of weight loss!
Just discovered this channel 2 months ago. God I love what you do man. Makes me feel so nostalgic.
Clint's absolute love of these vintage units comes through so clearly makes his videos awesome.
When you do your episode on MCA I hope you talk about how it did find a niche in IBM's supercomputer offerings! When I worked in my university's IT department we had a scaled-back version of the RS/6000 cluster that was the basis of Deep Blue, and it used MCA as its processor interconnect for the clustering. Really cool stuff.
0:53 woah... that’s one of the cast of MASH!
Good spot I think it was indeed "Radar from M*A*S*H* (Gary Burghoff} He was a spokes person for IBM in the 80's apparently ! WOW I never knew that....
Father Mulcahy, Col. Potter, Klinger , Radar O'Reilly, Trapper John MacIntyre, Margaret "Hot lips" Houlihan and Frank "Ferret Face" Burns. Nice "photoshopping" they did :D
It's funny because those characters were never on the show at the same time; Trapper John's actor left during the same season break that they replaced Colonel Blake with Potter.
So many memories, my dad worked for IBM and "borrowed" one from work, I still can't forget the music from Ally cats.
When that C:\> prompt came on, I actually got chills and this emotional wave. Did not expect that :D
I love watching these videos of old machines! It has really increased my appreciation for these old machines! Whenever I visit the PC museum at Super MAGfest, my room mates can never get me to leave haha!
A 30 minute video? What a great monday treat :)
Holy shitttt! Dude this is so amazing! You gotta keep doing these new old stock unboxing computers videos and stuff. It's like going back in time and getting all those old computers that I always wanted but can't because they are older then me. That, keyboard, monitor, system, EVERYTHING. Amazing video. Thank you so much for sharing this. Would love to see you get your hands on a Apple /// for Tron reason and have a go at that. And a hole lot of others. Keep up the EPIC work man.
Quite a remarkable piece of old tech! It does look really neat. To be honest LGR and The8Bit Guy are the two people that got me into old computing, So I'm grateful for that.
These were a staple of computer labs in my district back in the '90s.
A friend of mine use to when he needed to clean the ball in his mouse would pop it into his mouth, swish it around and then wipe it off and put it back in.
Nooooooo
LGR my thoughts exactly
It was gross. I was pretty young at the time and he almost had me convinced that was just the way you do it. Almost, the first time I needed to clean a pc mouse I remember looking in there at the crud on the wheels and thinking how does he do this.. and I'll never look at an old ball mouse the same again
Jimmy G I would think cleaning a mouse ball like that'd be a bad idea, in more ways than one.
Eww....
I never grew up with these PS/2s, but I think it is one of the most, if not the most, beautiful line of computers. I always wanted on. Awesome video!
I never tire of seeing Clint unboxing and playing with various IBM machines. These things are just awesome.
The model 25 definitely did come with just 720k floppy drive, as it was the entry level model. The 1989 upgraded Model 25-286 came with 1,44mb floppy drive.
23:20 no one expects the Spanish inquisition!
yes one expects the Spanish inquisition!
CLINT!! Thanks so much for these videos! Never thought it'd be possible to always have a good Monday until I found LGR
i didn't expect but greatly enjoyed that short little cold open, it was cheeky and quickly showcased just how much stuff came with this thing! not done with the video yet, but excited to watch the rest!
My body is ready for this video.
4:10
*Clutches his headphones and writhes in pain.*
Damn, even through a recording that sound makes my skin crawl.
Yes enough woodgrain
I love your in-depth and well-researched videos too, so don't take this the wrong way, but I really enjoyed this somewhat adhoc look at the Model 25. This was a computer I can recall well from my days in school so it was a definite nostalgia factor, but I just like your unscripted styled overall here. Thanks for what you do!
I can not believe how much passion you put in your videos You are the best man and I appreciate and I like old PCs
Loving the cast of MASH on that old advertisement image!
You did it! You found the model 25!!!!
I am very impressed with your videos and your dedication to all things "retro-PC" I think you are a very smart, savvy young man and way ahead of the curve in the preservation of antiquated technology. I have enjoyed watching you take great pride and pleasure in restoring and preserving these old systems and software. Obsolete is only a state of mind, not reality. My first computer was an Everex Step 386DX-20 tower with a 10 MB HDD, EGA and an IBM monitor. It would have cost me several thousand dollars if I had not got it with a bad power supply from the company that I worked at the time. A customer had returned it and no one wanted to mess with it. We integrated touch screens onto CRT's for POS and other user-friendly systems back in the late 80's. Don't know if you've ever heard of Intel-a-Touch but they were a pretty large touch screen integrator of the day. Please keep up the good work and I will definitely stay tuned to see what you come up with next.
Oh my god freddie's rescue roundup. I used to play that on my grandmother's IBM PS/2 all the time so many years ago. You just brought back a lot of memories with that. And yes it has a CGA color version iirc, lots of pinks and blues.
Keyboard plugs into port 1.
Mouse plugs into port 2.
Should you have a combination keyboard/mouse, also known as a keybouse or mouboard, that plugs into port manteau.
...Sorry. I'll get my coat.
GET OUTTA HERE!!! 😂😂
One way to distract me from the worries of the world is to clothesline me with a pun like that
Now I have other worries to think about
What kind of interface standard is used with the Manteau port, I wonder - "NailClipper"?
23:31 you stopped it there!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats when the foot comes down and swishes everything. :-(
Wow, my early 90's high school computer lab had these. The fan noise took me right back. These were solid machines. Long live PS/2.
love this, my dad was on the PS2 and aptiva design teams at IBM in New York in the 80s and 90s he loves these videos!
I do like these live non scripted videos :)
Yeah nothing wrong with unstructured and spontaneous once in a while. Tech tales will balance it out :-)
"I pressed the wrong button and I won so that's good"
LGR, 2018
I enjoy your longer videos as I find it very relaxing to listen to your voice and watch. I also appreciate though that your longer videos are rare because I wouldn't have the time to watch every video if they are longer.
I love the monochrome screen. I found adjusting the contrast helped show the different shades better, but had to kind of play around on a per program basis
Oh! my god!!! I love this machine :)
Why the heck did I hear in my head the line "Warpspeed Mr. Zulu" as soon the Fan from the Harddisk starts to spin.
I enjoy seeing all the IBM products on your page. My dad has worked for IBM since 1980 and We started off with the IBM PCjr, then a PS/1. After that, we had a couple IBM Thinkpads here and there but desktops we always just built together and stuck to AMD processors.
Wow! Christmas came early this year! another amazing computer for your collection.
Nice cosmic pizza cat mouse pad.
that dust that came from the mouse cable is plastic softener that slowly creeps out of the plastic over time, and i'd be sarcastic if i said it was good for you.
I love watching you open stuff. You get so excited : )
You know, im not really a tech guy more into cars, guns and motorcycles. but your videos really bring the nostalgia from my childhood and make this subject interesting. We used these things in school in the late 1990s when I was a little kid. Those old ibms running dos, then beige apples then the multi colored apples with those horrible 1 button mouses. Good times. Didn't have normal pcs at school until the mid 2000s. Freind of mine had 2 pcs that would fit your channel bsck then. One in a woodgrain case with a turbo button.
I like to be already in the future.
I bet this computer probably freaked out when it heard it was 2018.
Martin Kronström Same here. However, at the time there were already way sexier and more affordable machines out there, like the Commodore64.
I'm just... just so jealous.
I rescued one of these computers last month from the dump. I finally got around to powering it up yesterday and it boots up fine and Basic seems to function properly. I have so system disks for it so I need to source from somewhere and write up one. Mine has the color monitor but I've yet to see if it displays correctly since the boot screen is in mono.
It was very cool seeing your get unpacked, just as it must have been like 30 years ago. The wasn't a remote chance I could have afforded one of these back then.
Ngl, the sound of these old computers is weirdly relaxing.
[Iowa appears.] Yeah, alright. [Moving on.]
That's the worst solitaire I've ever seen
But you gotta love the standard ascii symbol characters
I can’t wait for more ps/2 videos. These machines are beautiful. It would be cool to see one with os/2 and other ibm stuff
I really enjoy these videos! They are a nice break from all my paper writing. Thank you~
2:04 Hey, Clint. Is your refrigerator running?
He'd better go get it!
Does this distributor not have a physical location? Their phone number's area code indicates they are the next county over from me, and now I'm curious...
hey told me (admittedly some time ago now) that there was a warehouse of IBM stuff, but I don't know if it's accessible to the public
Ah well. Thanks anyway! And wireframe kaleidoscope is certainly an idea...
Did you email them to find that out?
Anyone interested in the Magical Warehouse, feel free to contact me at ibm (at) nyceonline.net. It's not a retail location by any means, but I'll gladly entertain a visit ! We're located in Westbury, NY. (Long Island)
Oh yeah, this is like asmr to me. Man, vintage computers are so satisfying to just look and listen to their textures and how they feel.
I have a model 25 as well, for $177(mostly shipping cost) I got the color version with 2 drives (even tho B: is dead), but I knew I had to have it. Your channel is what pushed me to get it. I didn't know about the scsi hard drive definitely going to have to find one of those
You should try that Freddy's Rescue Roundup again on something with colour.
It looks like it could actually be fun.
I was a year old when that came out. I've been searching for it for years trying to play it again but could never remember the name. All I knew is it was a lode runner-type game but that never helped. I knew instantly as soon as he mentioned it. I'm beyond excited to play it again!
unfortunately No one can be told what matrix madness is.
It’s a logic puzzle game where you have to find the missing symbol that fits in with the logic of the present shapes. I remember playing it a bit, but it frustrated me far more than anything and I would just give up and go back to Freddy’s
woah
I have an SSK keyboard that I still use in the rotation to this day. Great keyboard, and one of the only computing devices from the 80s that still works perfectly present day.
The CC text in the first few seconds is brilliant.
Has the look of 1960s sci-fi.
not at all.
23:21 Why is a quiz on US states beeping the Monty Python's Flying Circus theme?
The theme is called "Liberty Bell" that should be a clue,
Yeah, it's a Sousa march. Terry Gilliam-the token American-was responsible for suggesting it to the Pythons. It's also in the rotation of background music in Disney World's Liberty Square.
One of my high school science teachers had a collection of these machines with a network set up in his classroom of the Model 25s and a couple of higher end PS/2s that had been handed down from other departments. He used them to run quiz software that booted from floppies, and I used to help him after school to duplicate the disks. I believe in my senior year, he replaced them with hand-me-down Compaq 486s from the computer labs when they upgraded.
In middle school, many of the classrooms and labs had IBM "EduQuest" systems, which had a similar form factor to the Model 25, but had more modern hardware and better expandability. I believe those machines are fairly rare because they were only targeted at the education market
A nice PC to have that is, LGR. Keep your work up, this channel is the best!
My supplier (and good friend) popped one in the box (keyboard) for 30$ from a guy who didn't even know what he was selling, and he sold it to me for 50$ because friends. So i'm feeling pretty nice boot that.
You know what they say about men with big feet... They love vintage computer hardware.
It may have been a low-end model but; it's these sort of "budget" systems that got PC's into homes, Schools and offices. That is a huge boost in the personal computing power available to an individual over the prior 8-bit microcomputer they probably had before if anything at all.
It was amazing what we could get these machines to do despite their hardware limitations compared to the high-end systems back in the day.
This really is a lovely machine. Never had any of those, but seeing how neat it is, I would not mind having one today :)
Greatest keyboard of all time, don't @ me
Bleeped swears are funnier than non.
I just thought it needed saying.
In my opinion, non-bleeped swears are way funnier.
Each line of that Word Search maker boops a different note-- what a great attention to detail from IBM. They were king for a reason.
Heck Media
Indeed, such "attention to detail" is almost a lost art in all but the most outrageously expensive items today. IBM, XEROX, BELL LABS, ect put attention to detail in all their products across the board, I miss those days. sure you might pay a bit more, but it was worth it.
Nothing like a good half hour LGR unboxing to keep me occupied on my sick day
Lgr is all excited about getting the software to work, then, at 22:00, realizes what we all did in the 80's after spending hundreds on the latest pc.....it's boring.limited, and not very fun...🤔😐😛 Lol!!
Yep, its pretty useless for running even old software. With only 640k of RAM, 150MB HDD, no IDE ports, no optical drive, monochrome monitor, it would barely run Win 3.1. Don't even try 95.
Why would anyone buy one for the prices they are asking.
Collectors often spend tons of money on things with little to no intrinsic value. To me it's most appealing aspect is that it's like a time capsule with 40 years sealed away inside of bubble wrap.
7/10 Not enough woodgrain
Love the mouse sniffing bit ...
Great vid as always Clint 😎
One of these was just donated to me yesterday! Haven't even fired it up yet, but mine is the revision with the color display built in. I'm looking forward to cleaning it and firing it up!