LGR Oddware - IBM 8516 Touchscreen CRT Monitor
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- čas přidán 4. 01. 2018
- When this released in 1991 it cost $1,695 and was used in universities, businesses, and even the Barcelona Olympics! So let's see how it does playing Duke3D and SimCity. Because Oddware.
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To answer the inevitable questions: *no, it doesn't work with modern Windows.*
As described in the video, the drivers are only for DOS, Windows 3, and OS/2. On a newer system it just works the same as any other monitor, no touch enabled. Unless someone more skilled than me develops software for it of course, and I'd be happy to test that out if it happens :)
Someone make that Software. Please!
For some reason I'd expect the generic touchscreen driver to work for it
you just proved why touch controls suck for gaming anything above games like candy crush or solitare
I might actually have a friend that could do that for you.
+Noblecrowd Gaming Your comment is a bit fallacious : of course, if you use an exotic peripheral on a game that has been developped for a completely different setup, it won't work smoothly. That doesn't mean that the peripheral sucks, just that it isn't the most appropriate for playing that kind of games. If I try to play Zork with a joystick, it would probably suck, but that doesn't mean that joysticks "suck for gaming [...]".
As a matter of fact, i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard to make create good city planners, point&click, or turn-based strategy games for exemple, that would work just fine with a touchscreen only interface. (And I'm not even counting the hundreds of good games made for the DS/3DS consoles...)
The wobbly table gives it a more authentic retro feel
Ha, yeah we'll go with _that_ as the reason I keep using that thing.
Yep, remembering all the getto LAN-events in the mid to late 90:s with huge fully packed pc towers and 17-21" CRT:s on foldable lightweight fiberboard tables.. walk lightly and don't for the love of god trip on a cable.
Just tighten the legs.
GoFundMe for new table?
Doesn't he go thrifting? Last time I did so, there were plenty of tables to choose from, I'm sure he can pick one up one day.
It always fascinates me that the “cutting-edge“ technology we have today has actually been around for decades. Like that z-axis action? That’s literally an early version of 3D touch! I just think that’s amazing, you know? That this technology has existed for years -- sometimes even decades -- before it became mainstream.
Mainly had to do with being affordable to the public & being ahead of their time.
@@RetroPiero That's the biggest difference between this technology and mainstream tech. With more understanding on how the tech works and cheaper materials to make it, this made the electronics more efficient to mass produce and available to the public. Heck if it wasn't for legal reasons with IPs, one could create a portable GameCube or Dreamcast system and with components about a third of their initial prices.
@@RetroPiero Not to mention intuitive and convenient to use as well
@@mysticmind4563 except you can't, sega doesn't make a "dreamcast mini" because it would be expensier than a modern console.
@@LutaKura I realized that a few weeks after I made that comment.
I keep seeing comments of "So IBM did it before Apple ?". Look the answer to your question is yes, everyone did everything before Apple
Even sell proprietary cables for outrageous prices?
@@c0mpu73rguy 😂 no man they did only the good things before apple... these other stuff are pure apple innovation
@@jhonnyashes5249 : No, no, someone else did that before Apple too.
@@absalomdraconis well i'll be damned ..even their mistakes are stolen ones😂😂
@@c0mpu73rguy Before USB ports(expecially USB-C), every phone producer (or even every model) had their proprietary cables sold for outrageous prices. I remember Motorola, with their flat cable. I remember paying roughly 30$ (20+ years ago) simply for a carjack charger. I remember Siemens: in a dozen year I collected at least 4 different cables and not one of them where compatible with the other. I remember Nokias, the first to have the barrel-style connector, but only for charging (meaning you had to have a different cable for every phone... if you want to transfer data). I remember "universal connectors" with dozens of plugs being sold at gas station...
Nowaday is pure bliss. I can charge my Samsung with the very same charger I used 8 years ago for my Blackberry. Simply by changing the cable, I can charge anything from my Ipad to my phone.. even my mini vacuum cleaner.
The laugh LGR makes when he realized that Duke Nukem 3D works on the computer cracks me up.
it's his normal reaction whe he sees "duke nukem" written somewhere.
13:12
My childhood self that draws endless hours in paint would have love this monitor.
I would recommend your childhood self a light pen instead, because this touchscreen is not that suitable for anything other than pressing really big buttons on screen. That or some graphics tablet, although those first models had their own issues (I kind of happen to have one AND a lightpen and I actually had better experience with the letter), but both were overall a better alternative than the mouse anyway.
I used Mario paint
i drew a 256 shades of green gradient on paint line by line using the keyboard back in 1993. anyone beat that for a worse use of your time?
I remember in school my computer lab had one of single computer with one of these and everyone fought over who'd get to use it even though it never made anything easier.
I also remember one time we had to make a calendar for the October, and one of the clip art images in the program we had was, what my innocent mind thought was a melted candle, so I covered the entire outside of my calendar with a ton of them... I mean literally like a hundred just slapped overtop of each other the whole way around... Only after id gotten it back I realized that it was really supposed to be a sculpture of a naked female body from the thighs to the neck. Needless to say I wish I could know what my third grade teacher thought when she flipped to my Halloween themed calendar with a boatload of sets of perky tits outlining the thing.
To be fair, the fault already lies on the technicians that installed the software without checking the built-in images it had, especially for a school computer. Was the program, Print Artist by any chance?
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But man, what a funny story~
Our Battalion HQ in Korea got sent a few of these in the 90s also...but it was 100% useless because the Army required our monitors to have a special privacy overlay peripheral that prevented bystanders from seeing what was displayed on our screens. I always assumed the touchscreen monitor was to prevent someone from observing our keystrokes as well, but the overlay peripheral completely prevented the user from touching the screen in the first place, so they were completely useless. I think they lasted a month before they all got repackaged and sent to some Department of Defense warehouse in Hawaii.
LOL 😂
lol
Man, i know what you mean.
That Duke Nukeem impersonation was 12/10
the 90s .... you pay 3000$ for something new and radical and all you can do with it is play telephone dialer.
The 21st century: where the government can fuck you over all day long and you chalk it up to being life, but if the video game industry does it, then there's Hell to pay.
@@r0bw00d Ehh... The western Gov'ts, especially Five Eyes, to it through the Industry. At least partial.
You just taught me a new term, AlexanderBogdanow. Thank you!
@@r0bw00d Ty for being that picky...
@@r0bw00d And yet EA is as rich as ever.
so IBM was doing force touch 20 years before apple, neat!
The thing about apple is that generally take a old idea that never took off, polish it, and then sell it as the new hottest thing. There good at that bit. But that is why you also see a lot of people not giving them much credit for being innovators. Because they are not really innovators. There more enables of technology. And as much as I am not a fan of a lot of what they do I still think that enabling technology is as important as inventing it. Technology no one uses fills no function. ;)
Build It Force Sensitive touchscreens or touchpads were pretty hard to find in the 90s, but they did exist.
So IBM was doing force touch 20 years before Kevin Spacey, neat!
exactly what i thought
Well any resistive touch device can do it, by its very nature it is measuring resistance so all software needs to do is take advantage of that
That Duke Nukem playthrough had me laughing hysterically... I'm really glad I found your channel.
Lol! Yeah, that part was hilarious! He sounded just like Duke.
When I was in junior high school, the teacher of the computer class won the AT&T Technology Teacher of the Year award. As a result, several companies gave our school various things. One of the things was an IBM system that connected to a Laserdisc player. I seem to recall being told at the time that it was a $30k+ system. It ran OS/2 (I THINK this was pre-Warp but might be wrong... this would have been somewhere around 1993-1995) and also had a special floppy drive that read regular 3.5" floppies as well as some sort of optical floppies that stored more data. It was a pretty interesting system but didn't have a ton of software due to it being OS/2. The only time I recall ever seeing the Laserdisc part used was when an external TV was hooked up and some educational/history stuff was run that included video parts. I got to play with the system, but don't recall anything particularly fun except finding out you could hard crash that version of OS/2 by not having a floppy in the drive but trying to read it anyway.
IBM over-engineered everything they make and that's why I love their products
Connor Mason they did a good number on building my 8187 tower or a desktop computer just a typical IBM made in the Windows XP and Pentium 4 era the typical kind of computer to end up in a thrift store it works great only now it has locked me out because it's Windows deactivated when I removed its graphics card and turned it on an obvious mistake on my part however
What? Windows deactivated when you removed the graphics card? I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. I've had a few IBM Thinkpad r40 and r40i laptops as well as a ThinkCentre and after a decade or so they still work perfectly. Sad to see that IBM left the personal computer market, nobody seems to be interested in quality long lasting products as much as they used to.
Connor Mason well now I can't really log into the computer anymore I had 3 days left to use it unactivated and because of its os's age there's no feasible way I can easily reactivate it fortunately I do have the key that I need to activate it on the side of the case on the sticker it came with so what is possible to fix though I love Windows XP for the sake of many things I should probably put a better operating system on it like Windows 7 surely that can handle two gigs of RAM
Or the Apparently light Windows 10
Eh...I wouldn't recommend patched 7/10 on a Pentium 4 machine with 2 gigs of ram, I've seen core 2 duos chug running Windows 7, so I doubt using a Pentium 4 would be pleasant. At any rate I hope you're not going on the Internet with that old XP machine as XP is not well out of the extended support cycle, and thus inherently insecure at the kernel level.
I love all the people in the comments being shocked by touchscreen CRTs. Seemed like in the '90s and early '00s that places like museums and government places wanted to show off that they were using modern technology with something that had a touchscreen, even if it was just an interactive directory or something.
Cars like the Buick Riviera also had crt touchscreens in the mid 80’s!
Hell, the skyscraper in Die Hard had touchscreens in the lobby. With thirty seconds of Bruce Willis messing around with it.
Amazing what clips there are on the CZcamsz these days.
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Oh great, and now I'll be stuck in another CZcams loop for the next few hours. lol
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I'm surprised people didn't know they existed, they touched one in an atm machine at least a few times I'm sure. But then it's not in a "monitor looking enclosure" so they probably don't think much of it, besides "it's an atm".
When I was young my school had touch screen PC's and we had one crt. Everytime I got the crt. I would touch the screen and I would always get a shock
Probably wasn't grounded right
Loved when you turned off a tube TV and it was all staticky after
Good Lord the sound of that keyboard makes me so happy!
I have a razer black widow makes almost the same sound haha its extremely loud
GOD is it one of those mechanical keyboards?
Nothing better than the sound of a mechanical keyboard
I have a "mem-chanical" CM Devastator II. In other words, membrane at double the price. It makes no difference at all.
Loud keyboards are clearly the best
This ain't "but can it run Crysis?" On LGR, it's "but can it run Duke Nukem 3D?"
And next milestone is probably Outcast. If Windows 95+ is working.
ofc it can! its a vga monitor ;)
Can it run Duke Nukem Forever?
Should've played leisure suit larry... Touch that screen. You know you want it.
"Uh huh huh, this is exhausting! My arm is hurting so much!"
This video brought back memories I had as a child playing with a touchscreen computer at Burger King. It had Kids Club theming and for the last two hours I’ve tried to find any information about it and sadly it’s been lost to time. :(
Kyle Hudgins same there in the netherlands at the groceriesstores
They still exist
LGR videos are so damn relaxing.
As far as I remember, SFX self extracting archives (just like PKUNZIP) needed to be run with the /D parameter to extract directory/subdirectory information. Cheers.
Yes, I've used one of these. A relative even had one and because they smoked and never properly maintained any of their hardware, it eventually caught fire.
Lesson: Tobacco is bad for everyone, including electronics.
Yes. If someone smokes inside, and doesn't regularly clean their walls, the walls will turn yellow from residue. The same happens if you don't clean the inside of your computer often.
The sound of that monitor turning on brings back so many memories! 😂🤦♂️
LGR is one of my favorite channels ever, so awesome to see all the bits of interesting tech that was floating around while I was growing up. I love all the old tech. Even got my wife a Polaroid J66 Land Camera that I'm fixing up.
During install, it looks like you should have chosen option 1 instead of option 2. Option 2 seems to have disabled your mouse and emulated it.
I remember using these monitors at the Pacific Science Center in about 1998-2001 in their interactive computer labs. There was one that dealt with water management and erosion and one that was a space exploration/mission control kind of thing. Anyone else from the Seattle area remember those?
Gaia Light Warrior Your sweet animu pfp makes it difficult to be upset with you, but still, you're getting butthurt about an internet joke and it's honestly cringy as shit. Have a nice life getting mad because of CZcams comments.
I do!
I think my museum had one of these in the mid 90s, I remember playing around with it as a kid on a WWII display.
Thick grey plastic, the glory days of the PC :)
Need a case like that for my phone
@@DigitalLogos 👀👀 ngl there is a market
Yes more computery things.
$1,695 is insanely expensive for a small CRT monitor. Even with the touchscreen capability, it's still ridiculously pricey. It's neat that it even existed, especially given that it came out back in 1991. Touchscreens were definitely revolutionary for their time. Nowadays, they are practically everywhere. Thanks for the great video!
LGR I love your videos! You are a knowledgeable source that consistently gives a thorough, comprehensive breakdown of a subject they are super passionate about. Definitely needed a good brain distraction right now. Thanks!
I had been waiting over two years for you to review this one after I asked you about it in your IBM haul video. Glad you demonstrated Duke3D on it. :)
No matter how much I learn about these old computers, I will always hear "PS/2" as the PS2, the Sony console.
Jeesaf Oceanleft *PS2 BOOTUP*
@@colbyjackextracheese6249 *RSOD*
I know PS/2 mice way before Sony PS2.
Ah yes! The classic Sony Personal System 2 ._.
SAMEEE
when you dialed the number, my phone vibrated....
Arbent the jar cat LoL
Must've been a coincidental timing.
So you're 867-5309!
This is so cool. I never knew that touch screens existed back then. I love this, its so freaking awesome and cool. Now I want to find an IBM CRT touch screen monitor and fiddle around with it.
*Keep up the good work Clint!!!*
14:10 that was a really fun part... I love DN3D... and the fact that you used Dukes voice to joke about this whole situation made it even better
I believe I saw one of those in German Museum in Munich (which is the biggest museum in Germany), in 1999. Not as an exhibit, though, but as an education station. Not sure , though, it was hidden beneath a wooden frame.
It always amazes me how you're able to bring us some of the most intriguing/rarest devices from the past. Love your oddware series ! Hope it never stops, keep it up man :)
I wasn’t born until a year after this monitor came out lol but I love watching your videos LGR. Something about old tech is so fascinating and relaxing to learn about. Thanks for the years of quality content
Slayed by that intro music. Cheers and happy New year!!
I love how Clint always sits there waiting for the credits to finish like he's watching them play.
:D
"To answer the inevitable comments asking the same thing: *no, you cannot use any of the touch screen features with your genitals or penis.* "
- LGR 2018
wut
Yes you can
9:10 that laugh, been watching your stuff all day. Subbed because the laugh just shows how much you enjoy what you do. Keep it up!
I just LOVE that Duke3D voiceover. As a retro guy I am really fond of your videos !
Random question but is John St. John aware of your Duke impression?
lmao what
@jay dabs
typing in suicide in google usually results in helping hotlines, give it a try dear !
@@aylin8619 I come back to this comment after quite some time and now I can't help but wonder what jay dabs' now lost comment originally said.
LGR dies in Duke Nukem??? BLASPHEMY!
Nah, the real blasphemy would be to believe that he doesn't resurrect afterwards.
Your Duke Nukem impression is pretty good even though you didn't seem to try it hard enough!
Your shelves full of software boxes is a creative inspiration. Now I'll need to unpack mine and maybe add to the collection! :) love the videos btw.
Touchscreen is such a gimmick. It'll never catch on.
TheMikirog sarcasm detector failure? I actually typed that on a touch screen phone.
TheMikirog again. Sarcasm detector failed. It's an ironic statement. I typed that touchscreens will never catch on with a touchscreen. It's a joke. Touchscreens are the most popular computing devices in the world now.
TheMikirog you're trying to argue about a sarcastic comment as if it was serious. It's seriously annoying at this point. That's all it was. A sarcastic comment. Nothing more.
A gimmick is a novelty with little to no real value designed to lure customers in with "ooo's and "ahhhh's". Touchscreens are from that. They have a very practical application.
However, I'm tired of trying to explain a joke to someone that apparently doesn't get it. Going on ignore now.
They caught on pretty nicely, on the correct devices at least.
Holy shit it's like you guys can't detect jokes
I suggest pairing the monitor with that X-10 and make a touchscreen IBM kiosk for controlling a lamp. Because that screams Oddware.
Now there's an idea.
Yes, i'm not the only one who had that idea in mind! xD
Monday Friday Wednesday Friday already?
Lol, yes, the monday-friday-wednesday-friday kiosk XD
Incredible how touchscreen tech has evolved through the years
I remember these from some ATM machines, back in the early 90's. They were sooooo cool.
IBM Supplied a butt load of touch screen information kiosks for Expo86 in Vancouver. My love of computer stuff was fuelled by experiencing those.
thank you for your videos! I wish more people were this nerdy, nostalgic and had your sense of humor.
bepowerification ci love your pic
I love it when Oddware videos have sort of a mini Tech Tales feel to them. The history lesson is always welcome!
your channel is the best, its oddly relaxing too haha but your videos are super cool man i really enjoy the hell out of them
I never love a channel's videos so consistently as yours. Excellent
Happy to hear it :)
My guess is there was some kind of IRQ or DMA address conflict under windows. Forgot what a pain in the ass Win 3/3.1 was with hardware configuration. I once had a modem that would only work, no matter what configuration I used, if it shared an interupt with the mouse, and then I had to keep the mouse in constant motion to keep the modem connection active. If I stopped moving the mouse, the modem would hang up. It was totally a windows 3.1 bug as it had no issues when upgraded to 95. Life without plug and play was tough.
mzxeternal aggreed
mzxeternal Same here, strangely enough! 1993, with a 386 SX 16 I built - 1 meg memory, 40MB hard drive, Hercules graphics card and amber monitor from my old XT, with a cheap 2400 baud Zoltrix modern. It got so bad I just gave up on the mouse in favour of the modem, but I wouldn't be the wizard of keyboard shortcuts I am today without that annoying year before I could afford to upgrade and overhaul the thing.
The visual image this gives me is very good.
Imagine your mum wanting you to get off the PC while you were downloading something big...
My Uncle worked for IBM on this TouchScreen CRT system, and later for Synaptics to develop the TouchPad we all use on LapTops, which became the touchscreens we use now. Capacitive/Resistive input was fun to chat about with him
you're amazing! i loved all your sims 4 reviews on the games. 🙌
Oddware and Thrifting are probably my 2 favorite parts of LGR!
Man you should have tried any point and click adventure game.
That would be neat if it works.
your imitation of duke´s voice is awesome!
awesome video saw clueless and found your channel. Thanks for sharing, subscribed!!
Why in 90s productivity was low? Because people spent half of their working time reinstalling software.
Should have stuck to GNU
You’re not entirely wrong.
Imagine when it was purely paper and ink.
Nowadays people troubleshoot Windows 10 updates after being forced to update
Nah. They had IT personnel for all that. The average office worker had no idea how to install drivers and stuff. IT personnel did all of that before they even got the PC.
The dude is having problems with it because he's not used to installing the driver for this particular monitor and doesn't know exactly what's going on in the background. Back then the IT personnel will know exactly how to work with this machine.
Edit: even the installation suite he's using isn't the legit one. It's something he got off the internet because he didn't have an original one.
It's funny to see current trends in tech that are popular now that we're made and failed decades ago.
I had my driver's exam on one of those touchscreen CRTs in 2010 in Ohio
Still pre smartphone era.
I love your collection of zork games in the background
why I am amazed by this and dont give a crap on how my 1000$ cell phone works?
MiniKodjo because one is the journey and the other is the end?
Modern stuff does it so seamlessly... Like nowadays even obscure hardware usually has decent "Windows update" driver support, back when you had to chose and set an IRQ, and DMA channel, find the driver, and install the driver telling it your IRQ and dma info. Sometimes you then even had to install secondary software just to use something! It felt amazing when it worked... These days everything just works, which is absolutely awesome, but at the same time it removes the "respect" that I used to gain for a device after getting it to work.
You got the iPhone X?
Your cell phone is worth considerably more than my car!
2002 Accent GS ;)
I wanna see Duke Nukem 3D being played with every single input device possible.
This is a real goal of mine.
A Player 69 You mad man.
I do too.
Yeah, imagine playing it with the PowerGlove.
Lazy Game Reviews I played fifa 08 with a steering wheel...
Hey. Good to see you in the comments.
In 1991, there was a fast food restaurant using touch-screen monitors for customer ordering kiosks. Get this: the software ran on MS-DOS. Almost 30 years later, and now major chains are barely starting to use them...
I vaguely remember my local library had some kind of touchscreen computer back in the early nineties. It had some kind of educational dinosaur game on it, which is of course the only thing I remember about it.
"A computery thing"
sam conner those are the best kind
Touchscreens in 1991? Interesting.
Also, are those new glasses I see?
New-ish! This isn't the first video they've appeared in :)
Mantas Vilčinskas
Nono, he sees with the glasses.
I'll be honest, it'll take me a bit to get used to them. Nice style though.
Never seen one of these types of monitor until watching this video. Great informative video like always.
That Duke Nukem impression was spot on, LGR!
Dude, this video is sweet! Calling back to the Oddware roots, just playing with some obscure old shtuff. I love the detailed history of Tech Tales too, but sometimes just watching you poke around with some random tech is (no pun intended), is so much fun!
Many of those old touchscreen CRT's met horrible fates. Back in 1998 at my very first job I worked near the pharmacy in a supermarket; and the blood pressure cuff thing that every pharmacy has had a little touch CRT in it with the "start" screen so badly burnt in that even when the thing was unplugged it looked like the monitor was still on just with the contrast setting messed up.
Something about the music and all the mechanical sounds really relaxes me. Please keep making these
The Salt Lake City, Utah public library system used IBM 8516 units at checkout kiosks in all of its library branches until mid 2014
Impressive!
god I love this channel
Is anyone else really bothered by the shelf that shows Zork I next to Zork III, with no sign of Zork II??
nah fam
OK just saw this video and yes argh where is Zork II
Impressive Duke impression lol , im a 90s guy and still love looking into the classic computer tech, Subbed to your channel mate :)
Why is it that every time I watch one of your videos I feel like I'm watching a cooking demonstration at a fancy restaurant? The music reaffirms this inference.
Wow, I remember hearing of these CRT ones way-back-when but never actually saw one in action.
Found your channel recently. Love your content; keep up the great work!
Awesome, and thank you!
Great clip! I thought that I know It history pretty good however in your videos I always learn something new. Thanks
Oh yes i've been waiting for this video since that time you showed a bunch of IBM stuff you got and this was in there.
"must apply pressure in order for it to react"
I miss my wife
ibm invented 3d touch before apple
umm no they didnt
PC Guy in a way, yes.
CalculatinGenius there were "force Touch" displays before this one
PC Guy wow are you really THAT fucking stupid? It's a joke. Do you know what that is? And he IS right. This is like a very early version of 3D Touch because it is pressure sensitive. You must be very fun at parties..............
Apple haven't invented shit. They are the masters of rebranding tech. They pioneered fuck all.
dang you have an awesome Duke Nukem voice man!! this content is great also, seen a few reviews and oddware.. i love it! earned yourself a new sub :)
@LGR 's Duke Nukem impersonation is actually pretty good lol 😄
I have been waiting for this sooo long since you got this.
And I'm quite happy to finally have made this! It's one of the most intriguing displays I own.
Starting the video, and ASMR things? Great start.
Very interesting mate. I never realised touch screens existed that long ago. Cool channel. Subbed.
I've never trusted crt's since the time I touched one when I was 6 and got hella shocked
Kinda reminds of Midway's Touchmaster Arcade cab that I used to play at my town's "lodge" club as a kid.
My Physical Science class in high school in 1993-1994 had touch screens like this on the computers, where we were in groups of 4 or so and did work packets at the computers, which basically told us all the answers as long as you had a small amount of brain cells to pay attention. Occasionally there would be a neat interactive thing. Somehow people still managed to do poorly in that class. The monitors worked well, though, and I remember a very loud BOOP every time you touched something on any of them.
Loving the new glasses LGR! Looking good.
your trial and error scenes are the best omg