Are some games just UNWINNABLE? | Spectating GOLD Lifeweaver
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Can't everyone relate to that at one point or another?
I had a game in Masters yesterday where my DPS went 7/21 and 14/22. We didn't even get to 2nd point, the game wasn't even 10 min long.
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PSA: Don't tell teammates "swap off of Hanzo" or "swap off of Zarya." Tell them to swap TO a certain hero, especially if you have reasoning for it, like "You should swap to a hitscan like Soldier because that Pharah is a problem" or "You should swap to Dva because that Bastion is just melting you." They will be MUCH more likely to listen to you if you give them a positive suggestion.
Plus, if they disagree, they can tell you why rather than just telling you to just go f*ck yourself! Maybe they think someone else swapping would be more beneficial.
Also, side note, asking someone to swap heroes because you think the comp doesn't work isn't being toxic. Had a brig + mercy in a comp match a few days ago, and I thought it wasn't enough heals. Found out the mercy was a one-trick, so I asked the brig to swap to Ana or something for more heals, and the Mercy called me toxic for that. Strange behavior.
I don't even bother anymore.
As a support player, if my team is dying on cooldown, I'm gonna be doing a lot less healing and a lot more damage. I'm either gonna carry the game, or we're going to continue losing. But relying on my already lackluster team to get me the win? Not happening.
You can't control what others do - only yourself.
of course its gonna sound toxic to the mercy player, if you just straight up tell them swap to ana, its implying as if you know better than them. i would be pissed too if i just randomly got asked to swap to ana because "low heals"
@@symp_phony By that logic, you should never communicate anything to your teammates because you're implying that you think that they aren't playing correctly and that you are better than them as a result. In a team-based game, you are SUPPOSED TO communicate and work together, so that logic is completely flawed. Communication is essential to winning in a team-based game, including in team-based sports irl.
Thinking that a simple piece of advice or a bit of communication is an attack on your character demonstrates a lack of maturity on your part. You'll drive yourself crazy thinking that everybody is out to get you by twisting people's words to imply that they were insulting you, even if they had no such intention whatsoever.
@@newtonthenewt1400 thats just how people works, half the time you absolutely do not want criticism from a random ass stranger. think of it as going on a train and getting criticized by some stranger you have never met about your behiavour all of a sudden, youre not gonna be happy...
@@newtonthenewt1400
plus its not like theyre gonna start playing better once you criticized them, they are in your rank for a reason. Ive never met anyone who started playing better once their teammate starts telling them to do this or do that.
youre gonna realise that its futile eventually some day when you start criticizing someone for feeding and that person starts trashtalking you back, ruining the whole team's mental and any chances of winning whatsoever.
Sometimes it’s “GG Go next” - this wasn’t one of them, it was winnable
*Always focuses on saving themself and leaves teammates for dead*
*Blames teammates for dying and lauds their own lack of deaths over their team*
it is a fair point. Staying alive as a support is half the work, but if your teammates get rolled, you surviving won't make any difference than if you had died with them. when people talk about trying to stay alive more as a support it is mostly about position during a team fight, not towards the end of one
@@CharterForGaming Imo Lifeweaver should've not been playing Lifeweaver at start, should've been on Ana or Bap. They're far more impactful and proactive with their abilities. Lifeweaver's whole kit is reactive and he has the same value as Lucio but with the numbers dialled all the way up. LW is the pick for when your entire team is dying too fast to keep up with heals and yet, this guy always outlives their team. There's a problem there and it's not just the team's playstyle.
@@azseal2669You lost all of your credibilty when you said that Lucio is a reactive support
@@CharterForGaming I'd argue it's less than half, since passive self-heal update
especially these ranks, where Mercys fly into enemies face, res and still get away with it, tell me more how it's a skill to stay alive there
As a support, your survivability and ability to stay alive is one of the most important jobs you have.
Hey, I really love your way of offering advice on a topic you have invested into. Thank you for being you
Also, I'd love to see a "workshop Wednesday". I loved when you and your fellow streamers did that workshop overwatch 2 co-op!
Yeah I think this was winnable. Honestly LW either needed to swap up the playstyle or swap themselves before questioning other people's picks (and I say this fully believing that gold and below and frankly through plat at least team comp barely matters compared to playing what you're competent on), but the biggest thing was losing the mental game. As soon as you think to yourself that your team comp is bad/the problem is someone else, you're giving the enemy team free value. When people say "just play the game" this is the type of game they mean. Just play the game you're in instead of the one you wish you were.
I climbed to Plat 1 only playing Symmetra so I definitely agree. I was never told to switch off Symmetra but the games where teammates flamed someone was the game we lost.
As a LW main myself I know when he won't cut it, and will go run Baptiste. When I got passed silver 3 I started using more Baptiste and LW is having to be thrown on the back burner.
As a Pharah player, I appreciate the notion in the very beginning that if a DPS pick Pharah, it doesn't automatically mean that the game will go badly.
Agreed - I play plenty of dps including pharah - feel it out - if the game doesnt go well MOST are willing to swap from what ive seen
Heck in my games, the dps don't switch to a hit scan so Pharah's destroy them 😅
pharah is a very strong character, especially at lower ranks, but on maps like havana, junkertown, etc. everyone and their mom plays ashe widow cass ana illari etc so it just feels like setting yourself up for failure to instalock her on those maps
i play echo but i will never come out of spawn on echo on those maps because i am fully expecting them to have 3+ hitscans LOL
As a fellow Pharah main, nothing makes me more mad than "Pharah's a throw pick"
Tbf, looking at how good hitscans are at this time, I wouldn't love to be a Phara main lol.
if he focused more in supporting/ saving his team and not dps-ing/ saving just himself then this game couldve been different
stick ult to payload
He wasn’t DPSing. At all. Lol. He was hard set on keeping his team at 100% hp that he neglected to play the support role.
Wrong, healbotting bad dps isnt gonna get you anywhere.
It's quite the opposite. Supports need to apply pressure, too, and they're generally quite good at it.
LW isn't, really, which is probably the issue here. LW's only real use is *HEALS A WHOLE BUNCH* - if your team is just dying on cool down, more healing isn't really going to help.
Our spectate should have been making adjustments. We can't control what other people do; only ourselves.
This combined with the fact that life weavers weapon is so underwhelmingly bad, that your basically throwing if you ever try dpsing outside of a won fight or finishing off the last alive player.
I personally think his damage output is fine, but the problem for him is his projectile speed, the life weaver can be aim botting and they will still miss because you need to shoot ahead of time and hope they walk into your projectile in order to land your shot, and when it finally does land, you deal like 20 damage to the enemy who gets insta healed and you have to reload.
The most actually unwinnable game i had recently was when my tank (ball main ofc) started throwing after one death because we had a sym and a hanzo, and proceeded to sit in a room barely moving the entire round. Actual pain
Why say ball main ofc, when ball players are still people
some of the best tanks I've ever played with have been ball players tbh
yo how do u get pissy as a ball main ur literally a ball that plays like a sadistic little rat and u just roll around and laugh at people for being dumb. i cant tell you how many times ive rolled up to an ana and literally spun around her out of fireball just to freak her out
ahh i cant wait to see this riveting gold lifeweaver gameplay *heals tank*
He will always be a boring heal bot until they make him more like Bap and Moira, but for whatever reason Blizzard insists on his weapon swap being clunky and unusable.
@@bigfudge2031ain’t no way you said Moira when she has no utility at all 💀 at least lifeweaver has more utility
@@baby-galaxy-dino9456bro, moira just kills people in gold.
@@DjNaste doesn’t change the fact she doesn’t have utility
@@baby-galaxy-dino9456I'm referring to the instant transition from going from healing to damage, not their kits in general.
i starting to play a lot lw since last season, and something i realize time by time is staying high ground is the best place u have when u play lw, since u can see ur team easily and throw the healing not losing los from them u can use ur petal platform to get high ground if u don't have high place near u, some enemy hero can't get u easily but there is time maybe u will make them switch to a pharah, genji, echo to just get u.. also lw need to stay in a good positioning, so u can pull the team to a safer place
since at low rank ur team not gonna really use petal to go high ground, maybe use petals to just save urself or prevent some ult like u did when there is junkrat ult, but also starting at this 10:16 u can easily escape that lucio by using ur petal platform to go high ground, always use petals and dash to escape, not always work but it often work
i feel like when playing lw u need to thinking and react more quicker or predict what the worst thing will happen to ur team and sometimes u need to be more multitask while u getting chase try to survive, u need to keep ur eyes to ur team incase they are need help or out of positioning, u can pull them to u, it can also helping u, like sometimes there is a chance it making the enemy that targeting u give up or losing to get u
also at this moment 5:31 u can just break the tree to start building new ult charge, cause there is only u there, ur team seems far away and not stay around ur tree and they are fine with full hp.. more than that u can try to watch fitzy when he play lifeweaver
This guy is so focused on not dying (as LW lmao) that he doesn't care one bit about his teammates, then blames them for it.
Yeah, it's their fault for dying, if they just stayed in spawn all game then they would have 0 deaths.
Honestly its just a positioning/awareness issue I have a 2.4 death per 10 w LW I rarely die w him & can usually go a whole round without dying once, if he used his petal more was more reactive w the grip it could've been a closer game
y'all keep acting like i was blaming the rest of the team for how many deaths they had when that's not the case at all; i was upset bc of how little value the hanzo was getting, especially first round. i am well aware of how many more deaths i could have prevented, and most of them i realised in the moment, just too late to do anything.
@Battleress2 I could care less about ur teammates as a Support main ik u can't heal stupid so forget about ur teammates & try to work on ur positioning you'd be surprised how impactful u can be as a Support when not dying if not very little also ur petal has a 2sec cooldown if being used as high ground for yourself since ur petal lasts 10sec (midair)
@@Alex_Aramayo everybody knows LW never dies. Not dying as LW isn't anything to brag about
The biggest problem with using the tree defensively to that extent is that even if the enemy team focuses on melting it that will take resources even if it’s just time and bullets those are things that they aren’t using on your time and that creates opportunities. So no using it offensively denies your team a lot of opportunities. I’m a relatively new player I’m still learning a lot but I’ve been lucky to meet some nice people in the Ow community who have helped me get familiar with the game to some extent
What a treat!!
I’m in a meeting that needs to end, but at least I get to watch ya on the big screen and ignore the meeting xD
Lower rank games most deff can be unwinnable.. You can usually tell those games very early on. I have noticed the petal usage, or lack of it, is what most low rank LWs have issue with, they forget they can create their own highground/have a 2nd "pull" if it's used right.
Rank doesn't matter. I've grouped up against and with gm players that were just trash and had 0 mechanical skill
lmao i promise i use my petal more in most games just for some reason in this game i kept forgetting i had it until i needed an escape. that part of my brain just was not working this game 😂
Frankly, I'd just avoid playing team-centric supps like LW or Mercy in lower ranks.
Play something you can carry with, like Ana, Bap, or Moira. 'Unwinnable' is a term that should be used as little as possible. "I'm going to win this game" is the thing you wanna be saying. Get that carry out.
Yeah, the LW is so distracted and tunnel visioned. Too focused on trying to do negative needle damage, trees too late or too far, and just does not even use petal.
tree on payload, WILL MOVE WITH PAYLOAD
Uhh im a gm lw and always end up with 6k ish dmg.
People who do no dmg as lw is the reason they are hardstuck metal ranks
LW has damage potential but if it's damage you are after, why even play LW. Baptiste is way better at that point.
If the Lifeweaver who submitted this VOD is reading this, here's some advice for you.
#1) Tunnel Visioning. I'm not going to beat this dead horse because Emongg noticed and focused on it, but yeah, you tunnel visioned way too much. Lifeweaver is not a "tunnel vision" support. In fact, he's probably the support that will be punished the most if you tunnel vision.
#2) Follow-Up With Your Grips. You have a nasty habit of grabbing a critically wounded teammate and not healing them. There's no point to gripping a critically wounded teammate if you're not going to follow-up with heals.
#3) Petal, Petal, Petal. Again, not going to say more than I need to because Emongg already mentioned it, but you need to use your Petal Platform more. I have the same issue in that I don't use it enough, but I use it more than you do.
#4) Target Priority. Your priority targets should ALWAYS be your teammates. If you target priority is ever shifted away from your team, it better be for a good reason. Lifeweaver is unique in that he's almost never forced to deal with immediate threats himself. If you've managed your CDs, you should always have the option to Grip someone to you to deal with the threat. Or use Petal Platform to disengage and keep your focus on your team. Thorning an enemy should only ever be a last resort and only if you're able to still keep your eyes on your team and are willing to stop dueling to save your team. I mean no offense, but it appears that you lack the ability to do this, hence "Tunnel Vision." Healing should ALWAYS be Lifeweaver's Top Priority. Unless you can guarantee the kill in a relatively short amount of time, you should never take the bait of a diver/flanker.
#5) If you get dove/flanked, don't try to duel the diver/flanker yourself unless you have no other choice, especially since you have that nasty habit of tunnel visioning. If you know someone is coming into the backline, Ping them instead to notify your DPSes that there's a threat back there and you're in trouble. BUT, Lifeweaver has a second option that no other character in the game has. If you REALLY want to bring attention to a backline threat and it's off CD, consider using Grip to pull an ally to you to force them to acknowledge the threat and defend you. Depending on your Tank, gripping them might be the best option. I guarantee you that dropping an Orisa on a flanker will cause them to immediately nope the eff out. Heck, even Gripping the other Support to help you out can be effective. The last thing you want to do as Lifeweaver is ignore your team while they're under attack to Solo Duel a diver/flanker. That's what the diver/flanker WANTS you to do. As your own footage has shown, even if the diver/flanker dies, keeping you from healing your team and keeping them alive wins their team the fight.
#6) Tree Placement. Once again, going to keep this short because Emongg mentioned it, but your Tree Placement was pretty bad. On one hand, I can acknowledge that actually getting the Tree to go where you want it is in pain in the butt; especially on console. On the other hand, your Tree Placement appears to be a result of a larger issue... which I will now tackle in #7.
#7) Don't Be Afraid To Die. I know everyone under the sun has reinforced the mantra of "Don't Die" when it comes to Overwatch. However, that is incorrect mindset to have. You want minimize your deaths, but that doesn't mean you should go out of your say to be a coward just to not die. You flaunted the fact that you lived for so long and that your DPSes had really bad K/D Ratios. But you are forgetting the fact that you aren't a DPS. You are a Support. As a Support, you need to be willing to sacrifice yourself to save your team or you're not doing your job. This is also part of your "tunnel vision" problem. I noticed, way too many times, that you were more worried with your own survival rather than your team's survival. There were so many instances where you pulled a move to save yourself rather than put yourself in harm's way to save your team and, potentially, the fight. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should throw caution to the wind and never consider your own survival, but if the entire rest of your team is committed to the engagement and are willing to die, then you need to as well. If you don't commit with your team, than you are the weakest link. Especially when you are the Support. Support is the strongest role in the game right now, but all of that vaunted power is meaningless and useless if the Support is hiding in a corner. Your Tree Placement is proof that you value your own life over your team's. Stop It. Stop It Now. You have a Passive Self-Heal. Your team does not. You also have a Self-Heal on Dash. Your team does not. Use your Tree to save your team, not yourself.
#8) Asses your play style and ask yourself if Lifeweaver is the correct hero for you. If "Tunnel Visioning" and "Self Survival" is just how you play and that's not going to change, than I might recommend not playing Lifeweaver. As I stated above, Lifeweaver is the Support that can and will get punished the most for that play style and mind set. If this is how you are and will continue to play, I might suggest Main-ing a different Support. A good Support for this type of mind set is Illari, actually. As long as you get your Pylon Placements down, you can "Tunnel Vision" until the cows come home. Yes you still have to actively Heal, but not as constantly as Lifeweaver or other Supports. And Illari has the DPS to effectively "Tunnel Vision" a diver/flanker without really compromising her job as a Healer (unless you can't hit the broadside of a barn). Another good Support for this play style is the one you wish you had this game: Zenyatta. He's the poster bot for "set it and forget it healing." And, like Illari, he has the DPS to take a duel without compromising his primary function.
Anyway, that's what I saw while watching your footage. Like Emongg said, your positioning wasn't bad, though I think you could have played forward and with your team more. Your Grips were actually pretty good, but, again, you lack the follow through with heals. You also have decent instincts. But all of that game sense you have goes completely out the window once you have something to "Tunnel Vision" on. You're like the dog from the movie "Up." Don't be that dog. ;)
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re: the last point of first attack
i actually thought we'd have time to touch again so i thought saving it to regroup would be the better choice. i didn't even think about the possibility of my team using it as they came back from spawn.
re: pulling zarya our attack first point
i actually missed the pull and idk how but i was so annoyed with myself bc i could have sworn i got the pull and somehow it didn't register. i DID try tho, i promise; i just failed horribly 😂
for everything else, thank you! i definitely use my petal more now, and ill work on not tunnelling as much. i really felt like i had to do more damage than i usually would bc of the hanzo, so im kinda glad for the verification that i can just kinda healbot with lw 😂😂
thank you emongg! ❤
Yes please do workshop wednesday! Would love to see what kinds of stuff you guys find. Also yeah this guy needs to use petal a lot more. Preset petals also. Also with LW's thorn volley, make sure to lead the shots and fire where the enemy is going, not where they are.
I could have a bad day then as soon as I see emongg posted ill be good
Asks if there is anything they could've done - while literally never using one of their abilities. These people can't be real💀
coulda saved ram from the mei wall/orissa ult, coulda pulled another teammate from tire, so many things could have been done better.
With a Lucio and a flier while also being LW you have to heal it pretty hard.
Some games are unwinnable for sure but you can't heal your way to a W when you're lower than diamond (imo). If you're tank or support in lower ranks, you have to get enough kills while still doing your job to win games and rank up to a point where keeping up tanks/dps will be worth it. I used to be in silver/gold for a while thinking I was playing the best mercy/moira/rein. While it really practiced my game awareness and positioning, I only ranked up past masters after switching to characters like zen, hog (when he wasn't ass), sigma, etc. You gotta excel in heroes that can dish out damage and elims while still doing their job (making space, pushing, supporting), and generally such heroes require aim and reaction speed. Even then, you won't win all your games, but it'll be much clearer to you that you did what you were supposed to do when you're consistently getting 2-3 elims each fight.
TLDR, you're a 'support' not a 'healer'. Support your team by also getting kills and utility. Plus if you're in gold there's likely an issue with your gameplay as well so there's no time to focus on other gold players (for me I know my issue is mechanical aim to more consistently secure 1v1 wins).
Yeah spot on. As an addendum there've definitely been times and meta's where just say putting out 30K heal on Moira gets someone the win. But I think what people misunderstand about that (and these are the same people that do truly think the role is "healer" not "support" like you said) is that actually the amount healed is incidental - it's the fact that to dish that out you were probably staying up for longer and minimizing your deaths AND keeping a tank or other high HP target up for ages to be able to dish that out. It wasn't the heal. It was the kit.
@@shioramenrabbit it depends, honestly. Like what game are you in and how well are your other mates doing, is going to be a big determinant in if you're healing more or damaging more.
I tend to be more supporty if I see that my team is doing a bang up job. Tank isn't inting 5v1, DPS are using cover and managing high value targets, we're all pulling for each other and ensuring things get done instead of dying on cool down trying to be pro gamers. I'm going to get a lot more value multiplying my team's effectiveness with traditional support.
But if my team is... just not doing so hot, there's a change to be made. My Moira is going to be flanking a lot more, my Lucio diving, my Ana nades are being used on their tank/supports instead of ours, etc. There's little use trying to 'heal harder' for a team that's dying on cool down or simply not getting kills.
@@FlamingNinjaBoi Thanks for missing the whole point and posting about it.
@@shioramenrabbit i didn't miss any point. I was just adding that sometimes high heals isn't even the goal. You often want to be a lot more offense oriented. Those unwinnable games are a lot more winnable if you're not playing passively.
Don't need to get so upset. People are just talking.
@@FlamingNinjaBoi Nobody here upset. Also one person here definitely misread someone else's comment and is doubling down for no good reason. Nobody is arguing with you, go be as wrong as you feel like, it's not that serious
No emongg, I hope YOU have an amazing day/night!
This guy heard “damage wins games” and made it his whole playstyle looks like
The thing about life weaver is there are so many ways to approach a situation. When the enemy team was pushing cart and mercy went in for rez. I would have blocked for her with the tree 🤷♂️ she would have gotten the rez and still might had a chance. Also please pre use peddle. Just use it WAY more
How he just continues to shoot at Zarya's bubble 😵
You know, this Lifeweaver player actually feels like they're a Mercy player. Mostly because a lot of Mercy is just keeping yourself alive. I feel like with the current mentality, this player wouldn't do horrible with her haha. But it also isn't exactly a mentality to take into other supports. Keeping yourself alive is important, but keeping your team alive is also important.
I'm always gobsmacked when people submit a replay like this, replete with lost opportunities, and then blame their team.
For workshop wednesday, there is "If i see you move, you die"
*constantly runs away and leaves his team*
"Why is my team so bad?"
MAYBE HEAL THEM
Yes. Yes, they are.
That Lifeweaver lowkey throwed with those trees
in my defense, like half of them i got booped by the lucio and didn't place it where i wanted to place it 😂
This Lifeweaver needs to work on the aim too for the thorns
Definitely one of the biggest issues was how much damage he was trying to do. So many times he could have saved someone if he had been healing
He literally pulled Dva in the Junkrat tire...
I pretty much main Lifeweaver now.
I had a game where both our dps kept feeding deep into their line so bad that I and the Mercy actually were forced to give up on healing them equally as you would in a normal game. We had to hard heal our Ram cause they just went too far out of los.
We got rolled all the way until the end. Ended up hard holding the payload for 4+ minutes at the end. On top of that Mercy and I had to fight off the enemies that harassed us in the backline.
We ended up winning because I died running onto point just to place tree. Reaper held it long enough for the Ram and Mercy to get out there and they got some picks. Their Zarya ended up backing off the payload cause of Ram and the Genji pushed too far forward trying to kill the Mercy during Overtime causing a C9.
It was such a good game and I honestly thought we were gonna lose it the entire time lmfao.
But some of the most memorable moments from it was my use of pull and petal. The Zarya grav ult caught my Sym and Ram and so I jumped into it and placed a petal underneath to lift us, it ended up only saving me and Ram it didn't lift the Sym. Then she used it again and it caught our Mercy I ended up pulling her out of it. Lifeweaver shines the best when using the petal for yourself and your team. In another game I saved a Mc Cassidy after he got slept and the enemy Doomfist was charging a punch. Threw the petal and it lifted the Mc Cass up just as Doom punched forward. It felt so good to see that in the replay later on from mine and the Mc Cass perspectives.
Honestly I should probably break my habit of jumping into Zarya ults as Lifeweaver however Petal is sometimes wonky and I fear it bouncing off something it shouldn't or me missing the throw. So when Zarya Gravs I yeet myself purposefully into it to aim directly beneath and lift us. You gotta use Petal for your team pretty often. I love lifting Bastions and Mc Cassidys as well as just saving others with it.
One thing I noticed as well is that they keep trying to charge their primary to full before healing. Not saying you shouldn't (obviously you'd want the max heal) but getting it to about 50 and letting it go can also change a fight with the sudden HP burst.
It’s also ends up being more efficient in heals per second. Someone did the math and charging to like 54 or 57 and healing is more heals per second than 75 each time due to charge up etc. so yea you are right
This is my questions as a newer ow player. How do you do enough to win the games where several people on your team are having bad games/seem clueless.
The important thing to keep in mind is that the enemy team has 5 chances of having total idiots, and your team (if you're not an idiot) only has four chances. If you are consistently playing smart and well, you will win more than you lose. You'll never win every game, but it is WAY more important to look at places you can make a difference to improve. Four idiots and one good player will always have a better chance of winning than five idiots.
Because most likely the enemy team is also making bad plays and are clueless themselves as well, you need to capitalize on that.
if youre new, youre probaly worse than anyone else. don't ever judge your teammates, it doesn't go anywhere. just play the game and focus on yourself
@ichmag11 I try to keep it positive in the chat since crushing someone in the first half will rarely help then have a good second half. But I just hit gold and wow sometimes I'm just flabbergasted. Most previous example was teamte kiriko asked the illari to calm help heal. Illari gets on comms says no and flames everyone. Illair finished the OT game with 800 total healing. Never saw one healing pylon. Or the tank who blamed our heals for lack of healing as he got himself hooked and pinned off the map 16 times in one illios game. I'm new to OW but not new to competitive shooters or positioning. But OW feels like a much harder job than most other shooters to win a comp game when you have a teammate doing nothing.
Sometimes games will just be unwinnable, but you need to remember that over time it will even out and you get just as many free wins. Just go into the next game with a fresh mentality because being on tilt is how you lose multiple games in a row.
people in that twitch chat cant even spell petal, they say pettle
Lifeweaver needed to swap, honestly he's a throw pick rn... This was a very VERY winable game but you threw it so hard!
His ults were waaaay to défensive
as a liveweaver main - USE THE PETAL PLEASE ❗❗
something i always think of is like. if you think your teammates aren't playing well and you don't have any suggestions for them to play better then that's kind of a skill issue on your part as well as theirs. if you truly want to get better then you need to learn how the whole game works, not just your hero. always trying to be on mic is also important to help everyone play their best (unfortunately most other people don't apparently see the benefit)
Being on mic is overrated. In most ranks, it doesn't even matter. Use the ping system though, that adds a lot of value. If you see a widow, ping her immediately. If you see a Junk going for a sneaky flank, ping immediately.
Turning comms off and focusing on myself were the two best changes I've made to my game. Pings are more than enough, and worrying about what I'm doing is long-term more productive than trying to figure how the other roles best interact with each other so I can 'make suggestions'. Support player.
Lifeweaver is problematic for me because he's pretty much entirely dependent on his team to get wins. Almost every other support can carry a game if you're good enough.
My advice to this person would have been 'swap to a better support'.
11:05 Yes, they tunnel visioned the Lucio who was up their ass. At the same time, Emongg's awareness seems to be that of said person we're spectating, as said Hanzo was not in current LOS, and typically speaking, you're not going to casually ignore a Lucio who is up your ass to go get LOS of said Hanzo who died. You can, but the higher you climb, the better that Lucio is at killing you.
I love when people ignore me to "save" someone else. Well played. Thanks for the extra ult charge.
7:50 I disagree. I play Dva into Orisa BECAUSE i can melt them 😅
Are some games unwinnable? Yes. Was this game unwinnable? No. This player needs to focus on their own gameplay, tons of pointing fingers and wanting everyone to swap and do better except themselves. LW wasn't even a bad pick, they just weren't playing him very well.
You're too nice...
this gameplay just shows once more that lucio isnt a viable healer in low to mid elo, they just get killed too easy and don't have enough value, he's just a throw pick at this point.
also I see low elo supports always shoot the enemy mid fight instead of healing in the most important moments(MID FIGHT), easily only this will get many supports out of elo hell I hope.
this gameplay shows that bad players are bad. including the LW, lmao
It’s called support not healer
@@bagelized İ call it both supports are just good healers xD
@@bagelizedand they primarily heal. Cry about it
There is so much more to support than healing; using your utility to the max will make a huge difference. This is why so many people find themselves stuck in gold. Healing and not dying is not the only way to play support.
also going bap or zen on attack during the 3rd round def could have won them the game
This hurts to watch, I don't know what hero they're playing but if they're not using his best ability then they're not playing Lifeweaver.
this LW ain’t bad, he seems to want to do damage more often (i wonder if it’s cuz he thought his dps werent doing a lot). if he didn’t try to do dmg as much, it may have helped.
when i play LW, i only do damage if they have 2 or more in spawn ngl
that's actually a good idea, thanks! yeah i only did as much damage as i did this game bc hanzo wasn't getting much value in the first round so i had it in my head that i had to do some poke damage to help out lol
the dps were definitely struggling, and maybe i've been watching too many awkward videos, but imo if you're playing support at this rank and you're healbotting for three quarters or more of the match then you should really think twice before you blame your teammates for everything. they say they wished they had a zenyatta... why didn't they pick zenyatta themselves? or kiri? ana? bap? illari? or moira? moira's basically freelo in gold.
damage, damage, damage. Wouldn't suggest Zen, but all the other supports that can weave damage and heals, definitely would have worked better here.
Bc playing Zen Lucio is straight up throwing
@@andreamicheli2575noo, no its not. The comp can win almost always
@@rodofdiscordthatyouwillnev4810yea if your dps and support aren’t actual brain rot. Dps meaning they just dont hard dive the zen. Or support goes ana to completely shut down their heals.
@@rodofdiscordthatyouwillnev4810 Yeah and I'm sure your tank is super happy to have bo healing
Target prioritization is lacking a little but not terrible game
My kneejerk reaction to that description and hearing there was a Pharah that was doing decently despite not having a mercy pocket and that LW was telling people to swap is that they (the LW) should've been the one to swap to Mercy and helped the Pharah. Nobody likes fighting Pharah-Mercy but if the Pharah was breaking even without a pocket, how much better would they have done with one?
I say this is a kneejerk reaction because everyone expects the tank to be the one counterswapping and supports quite regularly are like "if we're still losing, it's dps' fault". Reality is that if the support swaps then games can suddenly become winnable. Sure you'd have extremely low heals with Mercy+Lucio but you could've just gently asked Lucio to swap too, instead of expecting everyone else except yourself be the ones to change what they were doing.
LW specific things: Tree placements need work and there's times when you have pull but completely ignore low HP and out of position teammates in favour of tunnel visioning something else. Be proactive with petal platform. Ram dies at 4:00 because you forget you have an ability that lets you get over Mei walls to pull teammates to safety, no way Lucio would've lived (they went the wrong way, but you could've easily saved the Ram). Immediately after that as you're running away; pull the Pharah out because she's alone vs 5 players. Hanzo was out of LOS and was a lost cause, but you could've easily got her out. Spam the ping of 'fall back' as you do so, but you 100% just left her to die. It's better to regroup to recontest than staggering your respawns.
Also more generally: ping enemies, ping the tyre.
Lifeweaver is good now, sure, but he's still a healbot and a reactionary pick. Picking him out of the gates just hints what your personal playstyle is gonna be. Imo the game was fully winnable but you just need to adjust your playstyle or swap. My rationale has always been that whoever is the one saying that people need to swap is actually the one who should swap first.
Sorry if any of that comes across as mean, I just wanna get the point across that counterswapping is a big part of the game and it applies to Support players too.
the thing is, counter swapping SHOULDN'T be the game. hi, im the lw from this game. you're right, i could have gone mercy, but as you yourself pointed out, we would have had really low heals. and what i SAID was that i begged the dps to swap IF THEY WEREN'T GETTING VALUE. and when they chose not to swap, i said alright, ill just heal more and do some damage here and there to make up for hanzo. (who, btw, did improve through the rest of the game.)
i definitely see where i was at fault, but i still stand by my statement that the hanzo is part of the reason we lost, not bc he had more deaths than kills at the end of the first round (which definitely was not the case at the end of the game) but bc he just didn't get a lot of value in the first round and going into the second. maybe i could have made it easier for him, maybe not, but it's not an issue of what heroes were being played (not after i saw no widow on the enemy team and the pharah did so well without a mercy - in itself something that i don't think should be necessary but that's another subject)
As soon as you suggested pharmacy your point was invalidated
Every game is winnable. Except that one game where the Orsia charged off the map for 3 minutes straight, but other than that it's always winnable.
I think there are unwinnable games, but you only truly lose if you give up.
I'll take a losing game where I tried as hard as I could but couldn't make up for the Hog running into Orissa over a game where I won but my mental broke.
@@asimplewizardas Junker Queen says, "Ya' only lose if you stay down"
Yeah ok... be mad at your team for not swapping, then don't swap yourself and play like a bot, emongg is too nice as usual
Im 5-23 rn so pray for me rq
i would like to see some dps go up but i really think for tree life weaver should get nerfed by emp should affect tree in some way
This weaver actually isnt bad considering they're gold 4. They react slowly and cooldown use needs some work. They could get high gold with a few adjustments
I only get to play once a fortnight due to work just here to share my pain I don't know if you even have time but enjoy the utter chaos I play hog because I love getting targeted by the hole other team so supports felt bad so thanks to them.. also hello from New Zealand again love stream when I get to watch VCT7V8
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Imagine saying pharah, one of the best dps characters, means that you’ll have a tough game.
i mean... junkertown is known for being a sniper map; i fully expected an enemy widow to keep our pharah grounded. but there was no widow, and the pharah did well so
imagine saying pharah is one of the best dps heroes, especially without a mercy pocket
@@jivemelon it's entirely a matter of opinion. for instance, roadhog is objectively one of the worst heroes in the game and definitely the worst tank, and yet there's a top 10 tank player who uses him almost exclusively; more than that, uses him effectively enough to remain top 10. every hero is good in the right hands.
@@Battleress2 "matter of opinion" and "objectively the worst" are completely contradictory. sure, you can one trick a bad hero with enough time spent but it doesn't change the fact that they're not a good hero in general, especially when they rely on a whole other character to get meaningful value
@@jivemelon you completely missed the point of both statements, my guy, so let me try to explain more simply. no matter what your opinion of a hero is, their value comes from how they're played in any given moment. thus, just bc everyone THINKS you can't get value from a certain hero (such as roadhog or, in this case, pharah) without the assistance of another hero (eg kiriko for roadhog or mercy for pharah), that doesn't mean they ACTUALLY can't get value without that assistance. the OPINION that pharah is useless without mercy is different from the FACT that a good pharah doesn't need a mercy. in fact, im of the opinion that if you can't play pharah without a mercy, then you shouldn't be playing pharah period. but that's my OPINION, nothing more.
Firstttt
im the teammate of this lifeweaver (i played lucio) in my defence. i dont play this game lol
dude brags about not dying in the description when he gets to stand 100 feet from the actual fight, has more health than most dps, has insta health-regen and mobility on demand....lol
The Zarya gravved and weaver pulled her away from it. Man I hate that ability. 99% of pulls make the situation worse.
As a tank, I can't stand having LW in my team. He will 99% ruin the game and sabotage.
there must be times where LW pulled you to safety! maybe!
I rarely get bad pull from a LW, there are many times I actually thank him. Depends on the rank I guess.
I've only had 1 maybe 2 bad pulls but more often then not I get pulled because I ran straight into the enemy team like an idiot and went down to 2hp
Ill be honest 2 of my most hated heros are lucio and lifeweaver just cause life weaver can just pull u when ever and i hate that with a passion and i havent ever won a game with lucio on my team ever cause they just wanna speed boost and do dps
Literally. Most Lucio's are reddit Lucios that watched a "unranked to GM" video
@@Marika_ER i dont hate all lucio players some are actually good and im a bronze 1 tank and support and silver dps but when i see people who arent near the team and complain when they dont have help my whole team just afks basiclly we arent perfect but still u dont need to play lucio like ur a overwatch league pro when your still bronze and 2 hours on them
Blud plays lw amd says games are not winable
I've just uninstalled the game after countless of lost matches and deranking further even tho I never died, outhealed all supports by 3 times (14k average with lifeweaver sometimes even 20k+) saved multiple people and had ult in less than minute... Yet I'm still gold even when I get endorsed by all my team and even the enemies acknowledge me saying that I'm a pain in the ass, I get shit teammates and lose every single time because of that.
But the worst part is watching videos like these and reading this people's complaints all saying they deserve better rank whilst they have the spacial awareness of a fuckin rock and look like bronze players.
Shit my matchmaking algorithm is so broken that I get better players on unranked than competitive.
This game is so ass I hope I never fall into downloading it ever again.
Ok
You're a support not a healer. Kill more and you would've won.
You're a healer, keep your team alive and you win
@@Marika_ER You have 20k healing and lose. I have 8k damage and 8k healing and win. It happens all the time to people. But of course you heal but don't forget that they gave supports guns for a reason
@@Supremesayain99 actually the opposite, I win and you lose because your DPS died but you'll trash them despite you not keeping them alive. Also, I never said only heal. Keeping your team alive is how you win. DPS Moiras don't win games, Moira's that heal do. You'll climb out of bronze some day
@@Marika_ER Yeah of course I'm saying to do both. Havimg nuance is how you win. Assuming my rank is something else btw. We're saying the same thing my guy. The internet has no nuance lol
@@Supremesayain99 nah you're giving "unranked to GM" logic and that's how you stay bad in the game
you dont deserve to complain that some games are unwinnable if ur gonna play lw lmao
Lw is good. Typically the throw support picks are Lucio and Brig
@@Marika_ER Makes me glad I'm actually decent with Brig because hardly anyone picks her. So It's always funny to see a enemy Brig who's too cocky and getting killed when trying to flank in a 1v4-5.
@@Marika_ER ok buddy, maybe in like bronze where people cant aim their heals
When you are playing low ceiling heroes, I'm absolutely gonna expect you to be flawless in your gameplay, otherwise pick someone not so sustainable, but impactful. I haven't seen any damage from this goober even with a glimpse of a thought behind it. Literally braindead gameplay.
Noneed to be so rude