Fables and Folktales: The Snow Queen
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2021
- Welcome to 2021! It's cold, it's been a hell of a journey, and sometimes it feels like we're being pelted by shattered glass. What story could've possibly fit the bill so perfectly?
Disney really missed an opportunity when they decided Frozen was going to have exactly nothing in common with the original story. Honestly that kind of analysis could be worth a video all on its own…
It's myth-y enough I'm still gonna put it in the same playlist, but it would've felt disingenuous calling it a myth, soooooo
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"A crow lands nearby and asks if she's okay, officially winning him the coveted gold medal for most responsible adult in the story"
over the garden wall
Well something’s Gotta be the adult
I am slightly disappointed that the crow didn't get that medal. Although I suppose a cushy place in a palace is good too.
@@ethansolomon2126 the _original_ into the unknown
Red 15th of January 2021
"Don't follow beautiful women into blizzards"
You can't fucking stop me
Same
I mean, if she's so perfect that Mr. double shard thinks she's beautiful
Just don't. With todays globalism, it could be one of the Snow Women from japanese folklore.
NOBODY CAN STOP US FROM GETTING THE MURDER SNOW GIRLFRIEND OF OUR DREAMS!!!
@@thundergozon6439
That leads to an interesting question.
Was the Snow Queen just so evil and without any good, so the shards had nothing to turn ugly?
Or was she just... not? Like, was she neither evil nor good, neither dead nor alive, just pure neutral, so the shards didn't register her because she gave them nothing to work with?
Kay not realizing he's freezing because he's focusing so hard on the puzzle is concerningly relatable
My adhd ass whilst hyperfocusing on what ever random history typing seems sexy to my brain this month
@@bubblebubble7494 adhd bro's rise up!
@@bubblebubble7494 😅
Kay has ADHD confirmed
@@Grim_Sister It seems like evil mirror shards have the side effect of causing ADHD symptoms. That wasn't the only thing it did, however.
I don't want to go SJW, but is this story demonizing the neurodivergent? "Someone is more interested in math than girls? Obviously he is being corrupted by demonic magic and needs to be fixed." I'm probably reading too much into this.
To be fair, it almost sounds like the snow Queen wasn’t even evil so much as just… some magic woman who REALLY didn’t understand how children work?
or frostbite.
@@swordofstabbingold Well, if your whole schtick is being made of ice, and you can't really feel the cold yourself, would you actually know what frostbite even is?
She's supposed to be a force of nature; thus, yes, she is neutral, despite being the main antagonist.
An extremely powerful magic being discovers a child stowaway on her sleigh and just kinda rolls with it. I mean, she could have just left him in the middle of nowhere, but at least she put in the effort of taking him home and giving him a puzzle to work on until someone came to pick him up!
@DavidM "(666)🎑😈"
Honestly the snow queen feels like a young kid who found a stray animal they liked. "He followed me home, so I'm going to keep him! We're going to play fun games and I'm sure I won't accidentally get him killed by not knowing what I'm doing - Hey why are you turning blue?"
New headcanon.
This has always been my interpretation but In the version I read, by the time she kissed him the first time his heart was already halfway frozen (if you got a mirror peice in the heart your heart would turn into a block of ice and youd die) and her kiss didnt necessarily stop the ice from spreading but did make him not feel cold anymore (potential reference to this by Disney with "the cold never bothered me anyway") when she kisses him a second time he forgets everything but now only sees the ice queen as a beautiful woman rather than, well, an ice lady.(I think she did this so he wouldnt miss his friends, family, home, ect. Since the flowery lady did the same thing) She intentionally doesn't kiss him a 3rd time stating that if she were to do so he'd die.(this suggests to me that she doesnt wish any harm towards him) So I always interpreted this as her saving his life in a way, and she just plopped him in the ice castle till someone could thaw his heart. I also personally interpreted the whole eternity puzzle thing as her not knowing how to entertain a child so she just gave him that to keep him preoccupied while she worked.
@@savannahs.5874 I need the link to this fanfic. Focusing on the snow queen.
@@irisdovera7500 lol, I read it when I was in middle school so it belonged to the schools library but I'll look online to see if they have the same version
It always struck me a lot more malicious. Give him a puzzle that entrances him so much that he doesn't notice he's slowly dying. Strikes me as a very fairy thing to do.
White Witch: So what did you to bribe him with, Turkish delight?
Snow Queen: Nope. The dumbass just got in, no bribery.
White Witch: I hate you!
Welll~ If the White Witch just had some form of self-confidence than maybe she could have snatched a child without needing to bribe
I bet the witch must have gone berserk when she learned that the queen wasn't eaten by a lion messiah in the end.
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@@MASTEROFEVIL Danke Shon.
Fun fact: the two ladies Gerda met before she found the Snow Queen's palace are the Sami woman and the Finnish woman. This means Gerda traveled all the way from Denmark(?) to the Lapland region of Finland.
No wonder why they went through P U B E R T Y without even realizing
Sami are in Norway, Sweden, Russia areas, up north
@@moonshonemeadow are you correcting him? The Sami are from the Laplands it’s literally the Scandinavian name for Sápmi
@@babassoonist557 Oh right, _from_ Denmark into the Laplands. I thought the guy meant the Sami was in Denmark. I guess I got confused since the story said river
didn't Red also say that the snow queens castle was in Spitsbergen aka the biggest island in the Svalbard archipelago. So more north then mainland fenno-scandia
To be honest, here, the snow queen doesn't even look all that antagonistic, she was just kinda "Oh you're cool, you can come with me" and besides, who doesn't have an army of monsters living and guarding their house?
I mean she is a queen after all bound to have some treasure that she doesn't want to get stolen.
She kinda kidnapped a young boy though...
Well in another version of the story she actually planted the shards and they're made of ice, they are then removed when the heat from Gerda melts them.
Kaiserhund: +you find a random child stowed away in your trunk, of course your gonna bring them home and call the police yo report a found child, the snow queen just forgot that police don't exist yet.
“huh? you wanna come with me? Ok solve this puzzle”
"The mirror exaggerates your worst aspects and minimize your best"
Oh so a normal mirror, got it
I look great in a normal mirror. MY PHONE CAMERA ON THE OTHER HAND...
You mean a phone camera?
And it will stop you seeing good
@@GameGod77 yeah mirrors are fine. It’s on camera where I look like an awkward creep.
Right, so, how do I get these mirror shard out of me then? Are we sure this didn’t happen from birth? Do we diagnose this mirror-shard-ness as anxiety and depression now because we lost the method of extracting these shards??
I feel like the snow Queen not being all that present is purposeful. She’s not a villain in the traditional way; she’s just a dangerous presence. She barely even kidnaps the kid; he comes of his own accord, and she just doesn’t care enough to return him.
The real villain is the mirror shards; something INSIDE Kay. Gerta is essentially rescuing him from himself.
Which is so beautiful at least I think so.... In one version I read he also made friends with the bad bullying young boys from the village. All in all the story boils down to a love one can save u from ur own self-made doom by bad life decisions.
She was technically a member of the Fair Folk, not evil but dangerous.
I personally think that she may have known what was wrong with him. The stuff with the puzzle may have been part of some strange spell to cure him.
Kinda reminds me of the evil gambler trope
Like the guy that play poker in a bar for your soul or more years to be alive
They are always treated as bad guys but the rules are always clear if you play against him you will gain more life and if you lose you will well lose life
Always felt like these guys never were evil only exeption ive seen is d'arby from jojo
Yeah, she's just kinda like "Okay, sure, you can come with me and stay if you like," but she's not what's keeping him there.
This actually ended pretty good for being a Hans Christian Andersen story
WOW, the MC didn't die!
H.C.A. Was famous for his tragedies that were kinda based off his Real love life.
@@rimfire8217 Yeah. The prince in the Little Mermaid, the nightingale from the story of the same name, and I swear I heard the Snow Queen someplace we’re all based on real people Hans Christian Andersen loved.
Well actually all H.C. Andersen stories end happily because the main characters went to heaven, and this is absolutely what he intended. Also if you read his entire output the ones where the main characters die are actually in the minority and are outnumbered by the almost hundreds of small cute stories.
@@hedgehog3180 yeah, i seem to remember that while the little mermaid did die, she turned to sea foam and tramsported dead children to the afterlife. Tho i do know some much worse than that (one where a man was too timid so his shadow took over his whole life) the majority weren't bad enough to traumatize 8 year old me
"She prayed. And her breath summons two spear-wielding angels that beat up the snow demons"
So, she's a cleric, then (edit)
Nat 20
Nah, a cleric using Divine Intervention
Celestial Patron Warlock using a reflavoured „Summon Demon“
@@cosmic_poet7326 A paladin or cleric casting Summon Celestial from Tasha's Cauldron would also work.
Actually, because of this video, this is how I picture the 3rd level cleric spell Spirit Guardians.
Disney: "Our princesses are so pure, animals follow their every command"
HCA: "My MC girl is so pure, her voice can bend reality to fit her needs and her breath can turn into angelic warriors to slaughter her enemies."
Its official, Gerda is Dragonborn
@@DukeMemes6047 Holy shit...
@@DukeMemes6047 ite, who's gonna make a Snow Queen mod? I'll help
So like JoJo?
Original character, do not steal
When you’re trying to get closure but the Sun says “no”.
The sun is a deadly lazer.
Fucking Apollo
@@luminocuratoria1335 Not anymore there's a blanket.
Fucking Icarus
I didn't get the joke
Edit: ooohhhhhh i get it
*Other people, watching this video:* This isn’t Frozen!
*Me, watching Frozen:* This isn’t The Snow Queen!
You are me watching ariel
That was so me! I was so hyped when I heard they were adapting the Snow queen and was super disappointed with what we got.
@@ZaxorVonSkyler I was looking forward to a new classic Disney villain. Evilsa could have been so cool
Lmao 🤣
That was basically the collective reaction of the entire nation of Denmark.
Now I can’t stop thinking about Dwayne the rock Johnson in a luxurious white dress and wig just strutting around as the snow queen. Thank you red
I mean, didn't he already played the tooth fairy in one dumb, kids movie?
@@diegolunar7022 yes
@@diegolunar7022 This is ages late but I'm pretty sure that was actually Vin Diesel. Valid mistake though, bald, white(ish) ex-fighters is a very confusing genre of actors filled with way too many people
@@thenamelessdragon it was Dwaynethe rock johnson. his name is litterally in the credits as the tooth fairy, or whatever the name character is...... ALSO, DWAYNE WASN'T BALD WHEN HE PLAYED THE TOOTH FAIRY. he still had hair.
@@michaellarose4913 You're right, I think I got confused with The Pacifier which was a Vin Diesel movie... I hope. If it isn't I'll lose all credibility
“It’s like Santa, but backwards and also a crime.”
- Red 2021
I mean isn't Santa's whole thing in the most of the English speaking world to break and enter people's homes to give them stuff?
Kinnda the opisete of that is santa
I mean it there have been stories where Santa accidentally kidnapped a kid. Look at Buddy.
Scrolling slowly reads comment as red says line
@@Rainears129 how do you accidentally kidnap someone?
"If you're having problems, try crying."
Surprisingly solid advice.
I misread this as cycling, which is also strong advice.
@@interrexclamacion lol yea I suppose that works for some people XD
Well, the purpose of crying is to flush out excess chemicals. As I like to say, "Crying is your body fixing a chemical imbalance in your brain." (Seriously,I say that a lot)
@@FaeriePrince of course you do
@Eric Lee just think of all the things that make you upset, and let it all out :)
The whole Snow Queen part kind of feels like set up for a sequel. She's gonna come home, totally unaware of the plot, find the puzzle solved and the boy she tasked with solving it missing. WTF happens if she tries to keep her promise to Kay?
I remember two endings for that 1. She actually melted down from Gerdas love for Kay and 2. She was actually a spring fairy under a spell (idk if that has anything to do with the mirror shards). Idk why Red didn't mention this. I'm gonna give you an update cuz I'm going to re read the fairytale soon.
@@Pollicina_db In the Faerie Tale Theatre version from the eighties (you know, that show created by Shelley Duvall that featured adaptations of famous fairy tales with lots of big-name actors, directors, and writers), the Snow Queen was a GOOD GUY, rescuing Kai and keeping him safe at her palace while she tried to get him to spell "eternity", which would help him remember what was important in life.
@@jenniferschillig3768 Ohhhhhhh never heard of that one, sounds really interesting and it's good plot twist
True. Disturbing, interesting, awesome, and true.
Oh boy...
So, am I the only one who wants to see a story where Gerda learns to harness her FREAKING WARRIOR ANGEL SUMMONING BREATH?
IIRC in the original story it's said that if Gerda learned about her innocence and power it will go away. Basically a glass cannon situation.
didnt the old lady literally spell it out to the reindeer in earshot of her?@@ianherron5767
She is a disney princess get over it
Gerda kissing away his frostbite is relevant because the Snow Queen gave him the frostbite by kissing him at the beginning of the story
An act of true love will thaw a frozen heart
@@Bluegirl12345 isnt that a frozen quote?
@@kaycelee6066 Yep
But uh, I understand a Snow Queen giving someone a frost bite from a kiss but, how is Gerda supposed to do that?
@@meloneatingwolf1882 the gal summoned spear wielding angels from her breath, you really think thawing a frostbite from a magical kiss doesn't make sense in the context of the story lmao
Gerda: *BREATHES*
Everyone: "Understandable, have a great day."
"Ok, so how many angels?"
@@phoneticsoup1701 legion as always
Heaven: "okay we didn't mean for this to happen but it's kinda our fault, have some angels pro-bono"
Suddenly I get where the inspiration for _The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe_ came from.
Yes Edmund and white witch have literally the same story. Except the witch was evil
@@SharkSalesman90 And there's...
Wait for it...
Wait for it...
Turkish Delight.
@@ariesbrightstar3867 I was expecting Jesus Lion but that works to
@@ariesbrightstar3867 And Beavers...
@@yobaugst3369 And Lord of the Rings, except with animals and chimeric beasts.
“if it hits them in the heart, then it stops them from ever _feeling_ good again”
That is what we in the mental illness biz call depression
So its like Eros shot for love or Apollo for sudden death, but demonic mirror shard for depression
Disney Princess: can get animals to help with chores by singing
Gerda: psh, casuals
Anna: I feel robbed of pure awesomeness, why couldn't my pureness produce a Stand?
Elsa: I'm so glad I wasn't just some random title character that gets adaptational villainy
Other Disney Princesses:😭😭 WE'RE NOT WORTHY!!!😭😭 😡😡You Mary Sue😡😡
I don’t even need to sing and god himself will PERSONALLY assist me with anything
actually in the book it explicitly says that her ignorance of her power is what gives it strength if she ever found out she would lose her innocence and her power.
Girl can summon Fucking Warrior Angels!
She wins.
💕💕💕🙏🙏🙏
"Her disney princess powers that makes her so innocent and pure that everybody loves her and wants to help her out" When being a Mary Sue is an in-universe super power instead of a plot contrivance...
mid to high level NG Cleric with high Cha and min-max diplomacy is pretty much this, just she only knows to cast speak with animals, speak with plants, and like 7th level summon monster for an angel/archon
@@gameipedia
And somehow has a “Charm Person” aura that is so powerful, in some interactions of the story, it LITERALLY melts the Snow Queen, which subsequently brings back spring.
Not as pure as the snow queen tho. If she was, kay wouldnt see a single flaw/evil/bad thing on her but he did and that's not the case with the queen
Not gonna lie I would love a novel that's an explicit deconstruction of this. Take it to its logical extreme and toss in some actual human psychology and you have... (I realized this as I was typing it)... Eurus Holmes. Never mind...
I don't even give a shit if gerda is a Mary sue, I'm just happy a female lead isn't treated like shit for once
It sounds like the story is a loosely a very imaginative way of showing two friends losing touch as they go through adolesence and are more exposed to the influences of societal expectations (intellectuality and detachedness ig at the time of this story) and reconnecting later in adulthood by reconnecting and reminiscing or whatever when he finally "recognizes" her from back then, and are able to reconcile. This is honestly the closest I can get to an actual theme, someone else can probably break down the actual, borderline satirical journey she went on.
I think you're on point. In the closest English translation I've read online, it said that the frozen lake Kai was sitting on is called 'The Mirror of Reason'. Maybe it was to show how Kai had become totally devoid of affection because he's too busy being snobby? Then ofc is how the answer to the ice puzzle he was solving is 'eternity', I don't think its significance was ever explained but I could easily see it having deeper meanings in modern adaptations of the story.
I definitely get the vibe of adolescence and reaching emotional (and sexual) maturity as an underlying theme. Kay goes all in on ~reason,~ which manifests as arrogance and cruelty. Very teenager energy, and holds up remarkably well into the modern day.
Unfortunately Gerda gets stuck with the task of fixing him, but she does get to go on a big adventure to save her friend/beloved. Kay just has to remember that experiencing emotion is good, actually.
*Red:* are there no parents in this town?
*Me:* Look, the parents in fairytales are either dead, evil, or neglectful. Gerda isn't missing out on anything.
True😂.
And anime and nickelodeon shows.
I mean, Gerda lived with her grandma.
In fairy tales, and 99% of literature, being a mother is the single most dangerous occupation.
@@isaacgraff8288 Fairytales be like "what is this, a happy, healthy, non-abusive mother? Get that shit outta here, the fuck do you think this is?"
@@ButterflyScarlet don't forget alive
"Gerda kisses away his frostbite... Just... Just go with it..."
_I mean she summoned warrior angels with her breath, is this really supposed to be surprising?_
your not...wrong
True love’s kiss
@@donnguyen1107 I think this legend was before that was a staple
@@alakazamlover4908, *you're
@@Vulpilux k
“It’s like santa but backwards, and also a crime” had me laughing my ass off, but breaking and entering is a crime to be fair
But the difference is Santa never comes uninvited...
There's actually an old soviet cartoon "Snow Queen", which I recommend to everyone to see, it's amazing. Bandit girl, after letting Gerda and Deer go, breaks down into tears and frees every other animal she has. It melted my heart when I watched it)!
It's very good
Honestly she was never evil, just a force of nature.
So, like godzilla?
@@shaunjimbangan1166 pretty much.
Grass grows, sun shines, and brotha? I hurt people.
@@oofmeistermeisteroof1305 Love that TF2 Scout-post.
@@oofmeistermeisteroof1305
Except she is the 12 year old, "snow queen."
No one was ever kidnapped or held hostage.
Disney fans: THIS ISNT LIKE FROZEN.
Red: well no shit.
Honestly, I'm surprised she threw a generic Disney joke instead of a Frozen one
This is WAY better than Frozen! Why didn't Disney make this movie!?
@@JGuraan Exactly and it pains me every time. Like they could have had some really cool stuff thrown in there, but no.
Uhhh Disney fan here. I never said it was. Although I do find it cool how much of the original story’s elements are in it. The shard in the heart like the frozen heart, the snow monsters guarding the ice palace, Kai counting fractals.
I mean, I could hate Hercules for being a bad adaptation of the myths I love, but I might not love them to begin with if Hercules wasn’t made and if you watch that movie closely, it’s very clear they know the myths and in that way, it makes it fun to revisit and notice the things you didn’t see as a kid.
@@JGuraan I think Walt wanted to make a Snow Queen cartoon but he never was able to
I’d actually LOVE to see a Disney movie with this. Specially so I could see a happy “talking object” singing sess where it’s just gerta trying to get closure for Kai’s death but everyone super cheery. It’d be hysterical
I'll never forgive Frozen for being the one and only shot we all had at a Disney style adaptation of the snow queen, and it just being, like, a completely different story. RIP my childhood hopes and dreams :(
@@sockpuppetqueen they considered doing Snow Queen after Snow White! Imagine a 40s Disney Snow Queen it would have been amazing
@@sockpuppetqueen Late reply here; There are FOUR movies for the snow queen by a smaller studio. The first one is pretty good, the second one was charming enough. I wouldn't recommend 3 and 4 however. ESPECIALLY 4. The plot goes all over the place in that one.
@@sockpuppetqueen It was going to be an adaptation at first; but they decided to go a different route, and The Snow Queen ended up being more of an inspiration than a source.
@@anastasia_852 is the Russian one any good?
I love that last picture where the snow queen shows up with a mocha like 'where did he go? Oh, he solved the puzzle! Good on him.' Also, gotta say, I get why he went with her. Cause he literally had a 'everything is awful' filter always on, both for his sight and his heart and he STILL saw the snow queen as the most beautiful woman ever. Which... considering the mirror amplified all the bad parts about something reflected in it... doesn't that mean she's not evil? Or bad?
Being a Faerie and the living embodiment of Winter, the Snow Queen cannot be mapped to human value ranges.
The Snow Queen isn’t really a character as much as she is a plot device
Plot twist:... the two crows actually belong to Odin.
Yes!
why am i not surprised
Wait it’s always Odin?
@@jacobrengen of course!
@@orgluzman561Peace_IL_PS it’s always been
I like the part about the smart, bored princess getting a husband. It was so sweet and so random part of the story.
The soon to be prince was probably the author self insert character
And very forward thinking of Anderson as well. She just wasn't into her suitors cause they just didn't have anything interesting to say besides "You're really pretty".
@@GeorgeKinsill don't think so he was gay from what i know
@Eric Lee he might be bi i know that he had a male lover (to whom he in leters wrote Ariel as a metaphore for gay love) so he might be gay or bi
Not having read The Snow Queen, but having been brought up on H. C. Andersen stories, that to me sounds like "Clumsy Hans" (Klods Hans), a story about a "simple" and generally well meaning young man, stumbling into a situation where a lot of dudes was proposing to a princess, whom thought they all were boring, till she met Hans, who was weird, rode in on a pig, covered in mud and funny. Andersen, and later composers, really liked making small nods to his previous works
“Look at them for inventing Twitter a century and a half earlier”
Thank you, I laughed for a good 30 minutes because of this
for anyone confused on how Gerda remembered her quest after seeing roses in the old woman's garden, I believe Kay's grandmother back in the town had a rose garden that Gerda and Kay spent a lot of time in together, so
Their houses were so close together that the window boxes outside Kay’s and Gerda’s bedrooms connected, giving them their own garden in the sky to play in.
I think in a version I read, the old lady knew that Gerda would remember her quest if she saw a rose, so she got rid of every single rose in her garden. The only reason Gerda remembered was because she saw an image of a rose on the lady's hat (which is also what the video shows).
"If you have problems, try crying." Is honestly such good advice. Crying is so good for your brain. The headache is worth it sometimes.
@Wade Stikman
just sip some gatorade to deal with the Dehydrated Now side of the headache xD
@@anonymousfellow8879 SO THAT'S WHY :O Thank you Anonymous Fellow (and great name too btw).
Not bad advice. If I'm feeling some type of way, I just go to sad songs to do it for me. Disturbed's version of "The Sound of Silence" is legendary.
@Wade Stikman
NP! Crying uses A LOT of water/electrolytes (why tears taste salty and sometimes leave tracks, and heck even the snot that sometimes gets expelled, too), so it’s a good idea to replace it if your stomach can handle having stuff hit it
The Face Ache, though, because those muscles scrunch up and your eyes swell from losing tears...cool damp cloth. It won’t fix all of it. But it’ll give some relief and feel soothing
Crying’s Important for psychological release, but it also demands physiological aftercare to not feel even *worse* after (at least physically)
@@anonymousfellow8879 You are a wonderful person. Thank you for explaining this to me :D
I love how the Snow Queen isn't even evil. She's just there. Like, she's a fey. Kidnapping isn't really a crime to them, especially since Kay did tie himself to her sleigh and then agreed to come with her. The worst thing she did was not notice him slowly catching frostbite over a puzzle, and to be fair Kay didn't notice either.
To be honest, I think in the book the Snow Queen doesn't have the same feeling of cold as other people do. It's still not great, just like you said, but if this woman didn't even think it was cold....she probably didn't know frostbite was a thing
@@hemrainsford6920 *The Snow Queen:* it's one human child, how cold can they get, like -30C?
*Some other faerie:* yeah that sounds right
yeah I get that Kay did agree to come with her but like he's just a kid children's brains aren't as complex as adults and he probably just saw a pretty woman with cool ice powers and just went with her also IRL most kidnappers trick children into coming with them by giving them sweets and stuff to gain their trust and make it look like they agreed to go with them so she technically did kidnap him
@@youstink6753 yeah but like, she's not human. Faeries and folk creatures explicitly don't follow human rules of morality or hospitality. It's cultural differences on a greater scale because they aren't even human.
Basically, holding the personification of ice and winter to human standards of morality is an exercise in futility. Kay ran off with her. It's equally likely she just took him home like how some people find a puppy on the side of the road and go "oh, cool, mine now"
@@ButterflyScarlet well then going by your logic wouldn't that mean gods/goddess can do whatever they want with humans because they don't follow human morals and that Zeus has every right to cheat on Hera and Hera has every right to murder Zeus's lovers because murder and cheating are seen as bad by human standards? and since they "don't follow human rules of morality and hospitality" then cheating and murdering is normal?
"Are there no parents in this town."
If there were, they'd probably wind up being evil step parents. We have enough of those, thank you very much.
Or they could make the main characters be ridiculously ungrateful and hate their home town/ privilege for inexplicable reasons. I honestly find that excuse even more immersion breaking. The stories that do it best don’t create unnecessary drama. Though it can work if enough time and effort is put into writing the plot.
"Don't follow beautiful women into blizzards"
You can't tell me what to do.
“Try crying” is actually pretty solid advice. In the matter of mental health problems at least.
I mean I guess so
Works for me
Indeed. It’s not good to bottle up emotions and sometimes a good cry can make all the difference😌🖤
This is basically the moral of Inside Out, as well. Crying not only releases your emotions, but it can also signal to people who care about you that you need help.
The snow queen was barely in the story. That's like if Frozen had Elsa plastered all over the DVD cover, but the main character is actually her sister or something...wait a minute....
I love the original Snow Queen and was always rather peeved Frozen is something so altogether different, but at least they got that right XD
@@SunScourge it was originally going to be closer to the classic fairy tale but apparently the test audience didn’t like anna killing her sister in the end
@Eric Lee yea well Disney decided it would be better if originally Elsa died at the end
@@joybreegaming8781 Yeah can't have a female disney character that isn't defined by the guy she loves, now can we?
@@JCGver nope of course not that would be progress and we can’t have change in this world
8:14: I love the fact that instead of a soft,.gentle cry, she's literally screaming into his chest. At this point, she's about 110% done with all the crap she had to go through.
“It’s like Santa, but backwards. And also a crime”
I love the delivery on that.
Gerda: Everyone's Favorite Cleric
Dude watch her one shot the bbeg
You joke but that’s pretty true she’s so pure and lovable the universe twists to please her. Animals speak to her, bandits turn around to help her, she can summon angels by asking God to help and her purity purges demonic mirror shards from a persons body.
@@SadDayZzz more like "get the bbeg to join her party"
Yup
Race: Standard Human
Class: Sorcerer(Divine Soul) 13/Bard(College of Eloquence) 7
Str 8
Dex 12
Con 14->16
Int 10
Wis 13->14
Cha 15->20
Spells: Speak With Animals, Speak with Plants, Conjure Celestial, Remove Curse
She's a divine soul because she was born with notably holy seeming powers without really dedicating herself to god the way a cleric does. Didn't go with more levels of it as even 1 more and she would literally sprout angel wings. A bards whole thing is magic singing and as an eloquence bard she physically can't roll badly on attempts to convince people to help her. Maxing her charisma fuels her spellcasting and makes her even more the pure beacon of good everyone wants to help. I used the rest of her points to round out constitution and wisdom as she definitely needs the con to make it through the north pole without gloves or boots and I don't like odd numbers.
In some versions of the tale she actually melts the snow queen with her purity and goodness, so some radiant damage spells would not be fully out of character.
This should’ve been titled “Gerda: The Walking Plot Armor”
Yeah it should have.
She has the power of God and anime by her side
She actually had several periods while travelling and going through puberty, but didn't even notice them because the sheer grace of god vaporized the blood as soon as it got out
Would've been more interesting story is she got a mirror shard in her.
Dude, that's most of literature. Someone always has the plot armor.
So! I'm named after Kay. Kay is actually an anglicised version of Kaj, and because in Danish 'j' makes and 'y' sounds, and the 'a' is like the 'a' in 'fall', the correct pronunciation is Kai.
Ja 🇩🇰
Yep and it was painful to watch for that reason I’m like “oh come on I could pronounce it when I was 5!”
that's so sweet!
I prononce the a in fall as the o in Olivia. But the a in Kai as the a in Art.
@@Rosespynn That would be correct as well. The a is your typical ah sound.
“And if you’re having problems, try crying,” is such solid advice. Honestly.
It doesn’t always fix things, but it resets your brain and makes them easier to fix. Anderson knew what was up. Man was not afraid of those tears. Lol.😂
"Moral of the story is don't follow beautiful women into blizzards"
Me: I didn't know this was a japanese folklore as well.
Except not the case for yuki onna (snow woman)
From what I read in Wikipedia (specifically the one by Lafkadio Hearn, a Greek writer who moved to Japan as Koizumi Yakumo), there were these two woodcutters, one a young man, and another an elderly. One winter they were stuck in a snowstorm. They found a random hut in the mountain and decided to rest there
Then one evening, the youngster woke up to find a yuki onna in their room. She froze the old man to death (probably cuz ok boomer) and was going to freeze the zoomer next. But then she spared him on pretense of "damn son, I coulda killed you too had you not been such a hot boi. I can't waste away such a beauty. Tell you what, if you don't tell anyone about me and this shit, I'll keep you living. F*k you laterrrrrr..."
Years later, that dude met a random woman named Oyuki (yeah nahhh that's pretty sus, press the emergency button), and she was like "hey there, wanna go out with me???" Then the two dated and got married and fricced each other and lived for more decades raising their kids. For some reason, Oyuki didn't age.
So that aging husband was like "funny... You looked the same since we first met. Long before we did I was out cutting wood with my grandpa (or granduncle) when we encountered a cold bitch, as gorgeous as you. She froze Gramps and almost did the same to me. I was unsure if I was trippin balls or that was a legit yuki onna who I remember said something like fuk you later..."
Then Oyuki was like "youuu motherfffukka, I am the cold bitch. I told you that as long as you didn't tell anyone of me and that shit, I'll keep you living!!! Now what... I can't freeze your lips down your dick cuz you gotta take care of our children. Do that for me will ya??? Cuz I'm signing the divorce papers. Fuk you never..."
And the yuki onna was never seen again
I will be honest with you chief...I'd totally do exactly that.
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 I've heard this story in many retellings but I think yours is my favorite due to the sheer informality of it paired with its accuracy
froslass?
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 Karen did not in fact, take the kids.
is no one going to talk about how the prince's eyes and princess' hair are colored green and pink respectively because they are functionally gerda's fairy godparents?
Aaaaahhhhhhh I didn't realize this until you said it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly right now The Fairly OddParents come to my mind
Wands & Wings Corvid assistant things!
Yus
That is genius
One of the most unbelievable things about this video is that she doesn't even make a single joke or reference to the Disney movie Frozen. Surprisingly refreshing and pleasing tbh
My favorite little part -- and this might just be the print version I grew up with, which was illustrated by Mary Engelbreit -- is that when the robber girl gets Gerda all kitted up to continue her quest, she gives back the coat, boots, and hat, but KEEPS the muff because she likes how pretty it is, and instead gives Gerda a pair of her mother's mittens so Gerda doesn't have cold hands.
"The only thing he unironically likes these days is the perfect, mathematical beauty of snow. It's really niche, you probably wouldn't get it" HELP I CAN'T BREATHE!
whats not to like, beautiful fractal patterns caused by the perfectly hexagonal crystallisation of water molecules creating unique formations caused by each individual crystal's specific temperature, humidity, and wind conditions affect the length of the branches, the sub branches, and the pattern. And all of those crystals pile up to create a non densely packed, soft material that changes in properties depending on the temperature and humidity
@@flamingpi2245 exactly! It is so beautiful
@@flamingpi2245 username checks out
@@comradewindowsill4253
I see you are a person of culture
But you know, Im surprised the mirror shard didn’t pick up on the fact that all snowflakes need a seed particle of dust or something to start
Doesn’t that count as an imperfection
I love The Snow Queen. Red's synopsis is accurate, however the little details all throughout the book just makes it better!!! For example, the part with the old lady has more detail in the actual story because the lady knew that Gerda lived near a garden full of Roses, and she knew if Gerda would see roses, her spell would be broken, so she magically buries the roses in her garden and it was a rose pattern on the lady's hat that jogged Gerda's memory. Also the only reason the roses knew Kay wasn't dead was because they had lived magically underground due to the lady's spell and they did not see him buried.
This isn't much of a spoiler, only more details of that part of the story.
This book is so good! It's full of so many more details that make it entertaining and it's a personal favorite
That makes more sense, I thought that part was a little dumb but that’s actually pretty smart
It's always fun when plant life gains sentience and starts having conversations with people.
Henry Crabgrass comes to mind lolp
She also just skips out totally on the Laplander and the Finnlander as just "two old ladies". At the time of writing Laplanders were the only people in the world to have domesticated caribou/reindeer, which is why the reindeer goes to them. Because it's his home.
There are also funny bits about since they are basically entering the Ends of the World--like the home of the Graeae in Greek myth--their cottage is extremely cozy. So cozy the Finn wears an Ice Box cube on her head to keep from passing out and puts one on Gerta as well for the same reason.
Edit: I think I now realize he's describing the Finn's house as a sauna.
@@TiroDvD Yeah, I just reread this story and the Finn Woman's house had no door and was definitely a sauna! The woman was wearing close to nothing too
... also the ice block went on the reindeer's head while Gerda had to take off her mittens and boots.
@@dedf15 Those flowers in the stories goes off on TANGENTS! 🤣 They act like the butterfly in The Last Unicorn, singing only about the story that they've heard. Except they only have one story they keep over the many the butterfly had.
Perhaps this is a difference in translations, but in the Russian-language version of this tale, Gerda's main strength was not purity, but a strong character and perseverance. Damn, she said to the face of the little robber, who at that moment was holding a knife at her throat, that even if she had to go to the North without warm clothes or food, barefoot and all alone, she would still do it, because she had to protect Kai.
We even have a film based on this fairy tale called "The Snow Queen's Mystery", where the general idea with a distorted outlook on things is tied to the crisis of adolescence, and Gerda's whole journey is seasoned with a good number of metaphors on the topic of growing up, responsibility and priorities. For example, Gerda is gifted with a magic match, which can fulfill one wish, but for this, it must burn out in the girl's hand to the very end and burn her fingers. Because for miracles you need not just pay, but pay consciously, realizing that most likely you will feel pain.
This story is unironically one of my favorite stories
Guy was hit with glass shards, became cold, went somewhere, other fella does things, north pole, glass gone now
I love how gerda looks cosmically stressed out in like half the frames.
Wouldn't you be if you're best friend disappeared and you were searching for them for fucking years
I mean, fair
Pretty realistic if you ask me
It really helps make you feel for her. She gets helped by basically no skill of her throughout most of the story but the way it's presented makes her an actual character.
Homegirl deserves a break
Gerda OP.
Her superpowers include:
- Talking to animals
- Talking to plants
- Maxed-out charisma
- ANGEL SUMMONING
- Possibly mind control?
- And being pure of heart
And being helped by compassionate people when in trouble, because that's not realistic
@@DiamondAppendixVODs I think that falls under mind control? Sorta?
Wait where's the charisma?
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 Everybody helps her, even even she breaks into their home.
@@LuckySketches Oh.
9:06 Oddly enough, Kay is now king of the world.
All hail king kay, whose queen shall bring us to prosperity via her glorious power!
"If you're having problems, try crying" is oftentimes legitimately good advice
Gerda: is being stopped by some snow people
Her 2 HOLY STANDS: looks like we’re killing snow people
And what's there battle cry???
Either "muda muda muda" or "ora ora ora"
@@ajizel13 AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, that hast to be it
AYAYAYA
@@ajizel13 maybe a song or hum but on fast forward
@@CasualBrolyMain no, The A-men is already their squad name
“Don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards” how about I do, a n y w a y
I mean, assuming she's not the thing causing the blizzard, which would be unlikely in our world, it actually seems like a better idea to at least have a companion in the freezing weather.
It’s the only time a beautiful woman would let guys follow them anyways
@@eclipserepeater2466 i mean even if she were causing the blizzard, I’ve honestly nothing better to do. Besides, I’m not the type to get attention from women anyways, so I’d be well aware that it’s probably a trap
You can make a -religion- no wait you can make a fable out of this
Don’t let it go
Crow girlfriend is just way too cute!! (I also love the bird in the nest at 6:25, so plump!)
New tee shirt idea:
OSP
"It's like Santa, but backwards, and also a crime."
Modern fairy-tales are literally fucking novel and that kills me.
True
I think the illiterate peasants in Grimm's time would say the same thing
Hey, some novels are nice
@@SonicGirlsGeek Not to be that person but the Grimms never actually spoke to the lower classes, most of their stories were collected from their middle class neighbours or taken from older collections. Also you may be surprised at the length and complexity of stories coming from illiterate/pre-lirate societies, for example the Iliad and the Odyssey 🙂
@@emilygalloway4865 i'm pretty sure greek is literate? But i might be wrong
"like Santa, but backwards.
And also. A crime"
Perfect
But breaking and entering is also a crime
@@Iris11111 it’s the Super Hero principal, sure Spider-Man is probably breaking a ton of laws, but who wants to be the guy to arrest Spider-Man? (I mean besides J Jonah Jameson)
@@InquisitorThomas Who wants to arrest a Beautiful Lady with control of snow and Ice
The TV series Once Upon A Time actually did do the whole "gather shards of the mirror" thing. The only difference being that there were no fetch quests, though I'm fairly sure one of the heroes was told "don't complete the mirror". They ended up completing the mirror and it led to the Snow Queen (Ingrid) casting the "Spell of Shattered Sight". The spell worked the same as the mirror in the fairy tale and even tore Snow White and Prince Charming apart. In the end, Ingrid sacrificed herself to reverse the spell as she realized her sisters were waiting for her in the afterlife the entire time.
6:51 just realised this could've been another "a good name for a band" joke
Remember how "Frozen" was originally going to be the disneyfied origin of the Snow Queen a la "Wicked" but they changed the entire plot based on 1 song because it was deemed more fitting for a hero than a villain?
Of course, didn't know? Moral ambiguity is a snoozefest, while objective black and white morality is tight and is a TOTALLY accurate representation of human actions.
@@marwick1413 Moral ambiguity is cool, but black and white morality has its upsides, too.
Hey, not everything in Frozen is played straight. At least they directly address and deconstruct Disney's own trope of "love at first sight", and the supposed charming prince turns out to be the villain.
Tbf, the Snow Queen wasn’t really a villain in the original and it would’ve been more of a change to vilify her. Kidnapping was a stretch and is the only crime she can be accused of. Honestly Elsa might be worse: she did freeze everything, if totally on accident.
To be fair, making the original Snowqueen a more "sympathetic villain ala Wicked" would lead to at least one story of a fan who thinks they're more mature than all the other kids and who feels really bad for their lonely kidnapper.
Sometimes, the best story you can tell isn't the best story you can tell your audience.
Ok we all agree “Little Match Girl” Is depressing. I mean the story is literally about a little girl suffering hypothermia and having hallucinations then DYING.
THAT'S what it's about??? I haven't watched the vid about it yet, I just assumed it was about fossy jaw 0_0
Yeah but it's one of my favorite tales because of how dark it is.
Her story is sad, yes, but it is also bittersweet because she is reunited with her grandmother in heaven.
You know it’s bad when Terry Pratchett takes a hot minute out of his faux-Christmas special to call you out on your shit.
Even the Disney short adaptation barely sugar-coats it. That girl straight up doesn't LIVE happily-ever after.
The snow queen is honestly one of my favorite fairy tales of all time. I love that it is so Femme driven. All these women helping women, it's fucking great!
Our boy Hans literally got Disney started, saved it in the 80s, and made the company billions at the box office with a single film
Red: Don't follow beautiful women into blizzards-
Me, a big gay: -without grabbing a jacket first!
Can't freeze to death if I'm always in heat~
*life hacks*
Mood
Yeah, all things considered, Kay would've gotten pretty much the entire world if he had just taken the time to grab a warm jacket
@@dietznuts8106 true
@@rainbowlemniscate2761, but he DID have a jacket.
“Don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards”
I’m sorry Red, but sometimes priorities go before logic and whatever kills me makes me stronger.
Um... the is actually whatever doesn’t kill m... eh forget it, you do you man. Just be sure to leave me as the sole beneficiary in the will.
Could you just leave me a cheeseburger?
I agree I will continue following beautiful women into blizzards
Amen!
Follow them if she offers you ice skates for free if you manage to solve a puzzle
"it's like Santa but backwards and also a crime." I'm just going to say that randomly when there's an awkward lull in conversation to confuse people now
“If your having problems, try crying”
Can confirm this works
“You can’t exactly write new myths”
Timetraveling goatfish: *cries in enchanting table*
LOL
Oh yeeeaaaah, that is a thing... XD
Are you talking about some SCP or something?
@@endengineer2441 I mean it'd be a good SCP but no, this is basically a greek god(?) someone made up in the 20th century to explain capricorn, and yes it has time-travel powers. This channel's video on the zodiac explains it better.
@@endengineer2441 Watch Red's video about the Zodiac signs.
She tries finding myths about the goatfish and can't find much at all, especially about the time travel stuff.
Maybe the snow queen wasn’t evil, maybe she was just a nice single gay aunt with a passion for math but absolutely no idea about human biology or adoption laws.
The Snow Queen: You’re smart, right Kay? Do smart kids like puzzles? Have a puzzle.
I imagine her like a hermit who lives on the outskirts of town, suddenly discovering a random child sitting on their porch.
The assumption of her sexuality is a bit presumptuous... I've been told assuming such things is generally frowned upon
@@walkerx1813 considering she's not real and has no real personality beyond accidentally on purpose kidnapping a child, she's fair game. Assuming the sexuality of real people is bad. Assuming the sexuality of a fictional character who appears for like 30 seconds is fine.
Plus Hans Christian Anderson was bisexual himself so it's kinda fun.
My interpretation is the Snow Queen knew Kai had the mirror shards turning him into an asshole and she wanted to help him. But because everyone would prejudge her, she had to assume the role of kidnapper, relying on Gerda’s purity to save the day. Or she could just be a snow fae and just not follow human conventions 🤷🏼♀️
This was... more wholesome than I would normally expect from H.C Andersen.
"If you have problems, try crying" is actually terryfingly real advice in this day and age
But if she never kidnapped him then he’d still be a math jerk
I mean the reason the shards dislodges is because of crying so much, If someone wanted an adaptation of this but more personal and less sereal they couldve had it where he never leaves and has the entire story to be his therapy
@@xidjav1836 That could really be an interesting reimagining of the story where Kay has to learn both to let other people close (both physically and emotionally, if it sticks with Gerta needing to cry on him lol) and let himself express his emotions again.
Oh my god, that’s just Frozen. DAMMIT, DISNEY!
@@Cheezbuckets In the Faerie Tale Theatre version of this folktale the Snow Queen kidnaps Kai on purpose. There's a running theme of balance in nature in the episode and it's shown that she knows the balance in him is off and that the evil shards in him represent a greater threat to the world's balance and that she kidnaps him to save him. Although she still seems to act as the antagonist, everything she does and asks Kai to do is to either rid him of the curse or hold it off until someone can rescue him. Eventually we learn that what she had been doing is try to remind him of the better side of himself and humanity, which the mirror shard had made him forget.
The only true antagonist is the goblin character-- everyone else is either a protagonist or someone who seems to be an antagonist or has a change of heart due to Girda's determination to save her friend.
The production value is not the best (it's 80's TV), but it's an interesting rework of the tale. They give the Snow Queen more agency and depth than just beautiful ice lady who kidnaps a boy and then yeets herself out of the story.
No one kidnapped anyone.
You guys are just jerk, jerks.
Woah another person who watched fairy tale theatre I didn’t know there were others
I was just thinking about how modern most “old” fairy tales are. Some like Cinderella are based in extremely old traditions, sure, but Hans Christian Andersen was making new stories through the 1840s. The Gingerbread Man was written in 1875. Peter Pan was written in 1911 and it’s still technically under copyright
if you really want to get technical, Urban Legends, especially Cryptids like Bigfoot, Sasquatch and Mothman, are technically the fairytales of the 21st century.
Ah Peter Pan is in the public domain, that's how disney was able to "acquire" it for a movie.
Peter Pan is actually a complicated situation, in the U.K. it’s under copyright because the money goes to great ormond street hospital for children
the collection of german folk tales by the brothers grimm also only is 200ish years old, tho the stories that the brothers grimm based their collection off are much older.
Cant wait for LOTR to reach fairy tale status
"if you're have problems, try crying." Ah yes the Steven Universe Method
I'd be the Snow Queen in this story. Strolling to my ice castle with my warm tea in my hands, being like "where's that child I hired to do an impossible task?", then continue with my day like nothing happened
"The crow asks if she's okay, officially winning him the gold medal for being the most responsible adult in this story."
Crows are bros.
“She’s like Santa. Only backwards. And a crime.” So she’s like Krampus? (Please talk about Krampus)
Isn't krampus the german monster guy who eats kids if they're bad?
haha krampus backwards is sup mark
No.
Snow Queen -> Anime ara ara
Krampus -> The Punisher_x_Ghost Rider but for children
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Eat? I’m pretty sure he canes them.
Sexy She-Krampus
It’s interesting reading some of HCA’s fairy tales as some were written to be in set in the present. (Well, set in the present at the time he wrote it.) For example, the story The Sea Serpent has a bunch of sea life figuring out what this gigantic new creature is that made its home under the sea. What was the creature? A transatlantic telegraph cable.
“This is the sneaky kind of magic mirror that retains its power even as it breaks.”
So it’s the Shikon jewel.
Red: don’t follow beautiful women into blizzards
The comments: “that sign can’t stop me because I can’t read”
And honestly, it’s me. I’m comments
Edit: 600 likes what the hell yall
@Manek Iridius, hi garbage, i'm someone that writes in a comment section of a video
Yuki onna anyone?
change your username to comments right now.
Also can someone explain to me why the robber daughter holding a knife made sleeping with her less cute?
👏LET👏KNIFE👏GFs👏BE👏COMFY👏
I can't read, remember? We just upvote!
“It’s like Santa, but backwards, and also a crime”
Santa is a crime
Now kids, if you are really good this year, an old man will break into our house and leave you gifts from name brand toy manufacturers for free. We don't know if he paid for them and he doesn't leave a receipt so we won't be asking any questions.
@@samuraipanda851 Be sure to be good or he'll give you fossil fuels instead.
I love this thread
I think she meant the one exception to the thing not being backwards was that this action was also a crime
well you aren't wrong
"if you have problems just try crying" the best advice i have ever heard
The 8:42 struggling to mount the reindeer is the most realistic part of the story. The real story is the most Danish thing that I have ever heard.
Gerda: "I have the power of God and anime on my side!"
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”
God:Here take this legion of spear wielding angels!
Anime:Here take this plot armour!
Snow Queen according to Disney: "Let it Go! Let it Go!"
Snow Queen in the original tale: "Ara Ara!"
Yeah boi
sounds like a big downgrade to me
Ara Ara so good that her mere kisses make him forget about things.
yes
I choked on my water, good job hahaha
That mirror and demon school are basically what my depression does. I'll have these "epiphanies" about stupid shit, like that I don't actually like my bf, or my life is miserable all the time; they always seem like some suddenly obvious fact, as though I'm finally seeing things from a clearer perspective.
I've learned to not make any decisions when I'm depressed.
Not a bad moral actually. Blizzards are dangerous and crying your feelings out can be surprisingly cathartic.
Side note, this is like the only Andersen fairy tale that I genuinely like. Its moral isn't warped in on itself like in the Ugly Duckling and it doesn't end on a major depresso note like the Match Girl, Mermaid, or Tin Soldier.
*Mirror shard hits person in the eye*
Friend "Oh god are you okay??"
Person "You look really ugly suddenly"
Friend "WHY IS THAT YOUR FIRST THOUGHT??? THERE IS A GLASS SHARD IN YOUR EYE!"
Do a CZcams search for "It's Not About The Nail."
...for some reason, I heard Blue's voice as the friend.
@@johndipietro9301 I can't unhear it now. It's in his exact voice and intonation. I can imagine perfectly.
@@johndipietro9301 I can almost hear the all caps part being said to the tune of one of his Venice rants.
@@johndipietro9301 I can almost hear the all caps part being said to the tune of one of his Venice rants.