Comparing Roland JP8000 Super Saw vs. Serum vs. Virus
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
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Ever wondered how the JP8000's Super Saw compares to Serum or even the Virus? Well, I spent some time and made a comparison!
00:00 - Intro
01:24 - Notes: Roland JP8000
03:02 - JP8000: Super Saw Intro
03:59 - Notes: Access Virus
05:11 - Notes: XFer Serum
06:15 - Raw Sound: Virus
07:28 - Raw Sound: JP8000
08:17 - Raw Sound: Serum
09:04 - Comparing raw sound: Serum, Virus, JP8000
10:16 - Serum: Lemme sound analogue!
12:08 - Virus: Unison
13:50 - JP8000: Super Saw
15:05 - Serum: Unison
16:30 - Virus: Adding FX
17:52 - JP8000: Adding FX
18:37 - JP8000: Heaven.
19:47 - Serum: Adding FX
20:55 - Tweaking all together
26:00 - Outro - Hudba
I’ve owned a stack of synths over the years and my biggest regret was having to sell my JP8000 during my divorce so I could pay the bills. People often dismiss it as just a trance synth but it was one powerful lovely sounding synth.
You sold it to give money to ex wife? That is severe beta energy dude... Just sayin
@@devondetroit2529 thank you to iluminate us 💌
Yeah, I agree the JP8000 is special. Personally I think the JP8080 is even better, ten note poly, extra features (like vocoder) solid metal build, compact size.
@@devondetroit2529 Yeah its so Alpha (Juno) to disobey a court order and land your ass in jail!
Jesus bro sorry to hear this. Had a similar case but with the taxes. Suddenly they decided for some reason I had to give em a shitload of extra cash and nothing I could do than pay so had to sell off some stuff. Haven't missed it that much though as I personally feel there's so many amazing soft synts out there that are extremely close.
The JP8000 was surely the best.
Ye literally jp8000 nails it . It just sounds perfect
The JP does the supwersaw in a different league. I dont know why but i've used different VSTi and tried doing the supersaw sound via sylenth1, i does it very well.
you can get loads of oscillators in there and if you use a couple like the JP it's really close after some tweaking with eq and such.
But the JP, you just boot it up. turn on super saw, turn up the sliders, tweak the filter and it's just there, the classic sound. But the JP is not only supersaw, it does so many things well. and you cant really screw it up either(both a plus and a negative)
@@Zesserie the reason why is coz the JP8k DA converters post EQ are absolutely kick ass... Theres also the fact that the JP has a cross mod between Osc1 and 2, which gives it that lil extra topping and most of these synths in these comparisons dont. That cross mod is ALWAYS on, even if u set it to zero.
Sadly the supersaw is so overused these days, its actually gettin stupid... Like, im REALLY f'n sick of it.. and this video with the same damn loop mad eme wna throw a brick at the screen...
... In any case, the JP has a phenomenal feedback osc which hasnt been seen on any other synth.. ever... and yet people are still harpin on about the supersaw....
In any case, the JPs algorythm has only been matched twice, once on the SH201 and again on the MC707/101/Zencore (even with the cross mod and proper detune) ...
Sadly, the SH01 Gaias supersaw is lacking THE most important element, being the mix and detune functions.. f'k knows why ROland crippled the Gaia like this but the caveat I guess is that the Gaia gives u up to 3 oscilators of any waveform, whereas the JP is limited on OSc2...
SO the only way around the Gaia's lack of control is to setup a triple osc Supersaw, and then run the pitch shift effect... smh...
Anyways, most JPs are at the age where their capacitor life cycles, usualy between 15 to 25yrs) start to die off.. so you'll come across instance where output is low, or some controls stop working...
In a nutshell, the diodes and caps need replacing ... so we're at that time of the units cycle ...
SO if anyones plannin on buyin a JP, ask if the caps have been replaced anytime... if not, you can expect to have to do it within the next few years, ... all that is dependant on your usage of course...
Nice video! Thanks for making it. I think it might have been nice to have a simple A-B-C between the three trying to match settings without effects. There are advanced unison settings for Serum on the Global tab, where you can collapse "Unison Width" to 0 in order to have the unison panning collapsed to mono. you might try the "Super" settings there as well which has a different detune distribution. if I'm not mistaken the Virus and Serum default to a wide unison whereas the JP8000 is mono. I didn't use a JP8000 during creating Serum so it was not a bold attempt at faithful recreation of that classic sound. I could be mistaken, although your waveform from the JP8000 appears to have an increased fundamental, however I believe there is some actual fundamental reduction in the JP8000 (HPF) when using the unison, which you can set to taste in Serum by editing the wavetable itself (e.g. lower the top-left frequency bin in the WT Editor).
(Don't know why CZcams did not send my initial reply, 2nd try:)
Thanks for you comment, I really appreciate that - you are absolutely right with everything what you say :)
- 09:04 - Comparing raw sound: Serum, Virus, JP8000 --> there I tried to compare the raw Saw-sound of each synth, but indeed I could have compared the unison mode in addition to that
- Unison Width: Thanks for the hint I was not aware of that. However anyhow I prefer the width of Serum and the Virus over the mono sound of the JP8000. Perhaps the JP doesn't have enough DSP-power or its engineers just did not consier adding stereo-width?
- Waveform fundamental: Indeed both machines seem to have an increased fundamental. Years back I discovered the same when I started to compare the Virus to Massive. But a simple EQ can adapt this or using Serum's sophisticated wave-forms.
- Super Saw fundamental: Agree, the JP800 seems to sound thinner when switching from the classic Saw to the Super Saw
I tried to avoid any judgement but I can say that Serum is better equipped for 21st century Leads and Pads due to its features and waveforms
Best,
André
@@MarcRentonHi! I have JP-8080, Virus TI and Serum. You can create super wide stereo SUPERSAW sound with 2 layers (UPPER and LOWER) of the same sound. You can copy UPPER to LOWER layer and hard pan them, then when you press UPPER and LOWER buttons at the same time you can play and control both simultaneously from keyboard and front panel. Basicaly you can LINK or UNLINK both layers which is very useful feature.
@Michael Schulz Yeah JP-8080 is much better in my opinion. JP-8080 have much more goodies then JP-8000 (2 more polyphony voices, advanced vocoder and formant vocal processor, second OSC have additional NOISE waveform (very useful), 13 effects in FX section (CHORUS, FLANGER, PHASER, DISTORTION/OVERDRIVE etc) vs only CHORUS in 8000, sturdy metal body, UNISON mode)
Great vid. Thanks bro
Brillinat video brother, well done 👍
You can change the detune behavior of serum in the global tab. Since the JP and virus detune is no lineal, you should compare serum with the detune configured in exponential
Thanks for the hint I was not aware of that!
JP8000 Super Saw - Legend, they are the best :-) Thx, for Stuff 🙂
That's wicked!
Thank you so much for this comparison!!! It really opened my eyes. Benchmarking at it's best, yes, it needed to be done. Thanks mate!
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
jp8000 has a great trance sound like never else
Cool video, the JP is still amazing after all these years. I own the JP-8080, 3 Viruses (B Indigo, C Rack, TI Dark Star), and also have the System-8. I must say, they all have their strengths, but the Roland synths are easier to program to get that classic super saw sound. Another soft Synth you may like to look at is Spire by Reveal Sound, 4 beefy oscillators and in my opinion, makes a nicer sounding super saw than Serum.
Can I ask how does the System8 supersaw and chorus compare to the JP8000?
Great video.
It's my go-to synth for maybe too many songs - but it's my style, keep playing with it, there's far more capability than just the Supersaw . People say "No Reverb" but fail to mention the beautiful delays, you just shorten the repeats and feedback I know you've figured this out by now but for anyone viewing.
I had two of these JP8000 synths and still have one luckily - I highly recommend this for any EDM or even Rap, Trap , Ambient it can do a lot of incredible sounds and you'll spend hours sometimes making sonic creations that blow people's minds.
Yes totally agree, wow why did you have 2 of them? Is there any kind of sound you would not do with the Jp8000?
@@MarcRentonWell a group of 2 people had to part ways ... I wanted one to compliment my Roland JV880 rack module and AKAI MPC60, Korg Poly 800? and a bunch of other stuff, constantly growing - I know!
A great guy who was into EDM and a great drummer wanted to join my already going projects and new ones, so I agreed and recommended he bring something to the table, so I bought it, he made payments on time, we worked and played out at underground races, house parties etc, but he eventually had to leave the State so... I bought Another one when I could a few years later.
Anyway, yeah I have a Fantom X6 fully in expanded, a JV1080 a couple of EMUs and AKAI S2000 with max memory - it's time stretch at various bit depths is amazing and an EMU ES4000 with a set of amazing samples.
Aside from a lot of vsts I used to use occasionally on my old XP machine, I added touches of S+S / romplers with sweet sounds that are never the preset!
So a balance of realistic beautiful sounds and several instances of a JP8K through out the track, even if just a resonating high sweep with me twerking the LFO speed on new patches added as samples.
Definitely not a mainstream thing but definitely made people dance and trip out if they so chose.
Loved it!!!
I need to buy me a Roland Jp-8000 so bad for the purity of the SuperSaw
I'm going down the rabbit hole with the 8000, again. I have an opportunity to buy one in mint condition. The JP and Virus are two that I haven't added to my arsenal...yet Your video gave me the push I needed to justify the purchase. Joy is priceless! Right, folks... guys...anybody...is this thing on (tap,tap)😂
Stay you, ya beautiful nerd🙏🖖
JP-8000 for the win!
It's really the combination of the supersaw and the chorus which gave us the epic signature sound and seeing your expression @18:54, you know what I mean ;-) I saw this also in another comparison video between the virus to and a jp8000. When the chorus of the JP was turned on it immediately went a level up in comparison with the Virus. Not that the Virus is not a great synth, on the contrary, but for that epic supersaw JP8000 sound.. nothing beats the original imo. Nice video!
Agree!
Bought a JP-8000 new ca 1997ish, lasted until it had a heart attack in 2018. Wish they still made it, it was a unique gear bit.
I didn't use to like the trance sound from the 90's because I was too much into Goa Trance and didn't hear how much the jp8k was used in there as well. Today I love the sound of the Jp8k, I love the Virus too but think it sounds a bit more flat than the jp8k. Serum I think is almost not comparable since it is just sooooo much more flexible and has more a nex gen sound to it I think. I think through your comparison here it's obvious that the true trance sound from the 90's (which I today love) definitely comes from the jp8k especially with the eq'ing and reverb added as you said and it sounds great! I hope there will be an ACB emultaion of it for my Roland System 8, would be perfect :) Excellent comparison and agree it had to be done! Crystal clear! Thanx!
Keep up the amazing videos - so refreshing. ...is there any chance that you could talk about classic DnB/jungle pads? ...Roland JV1080 ect.? ...I’ve always struggled with getting nice sweeping resonant filters ... I hear Emu made nice Zplane filters that nailed pads... ...I have the JV1080 VST and there are some sounds that are ‘close, but not quite there’. Stay well and thanks again!✊
Great suggestion! Let me put this on my list for future videos :)
@@MarcRenton ...that would be amazing - I fell in love instantaneously upon hearing my first jungle pad in 1997. ...so much love & respect for Jungle/DnB. Stay massive 😄
serum sounds very good
it is also funny to hear the presets and knowing what famous songs they were used for..
Very interesting! The "rounding" off the Virus waveform is actually caused by the Viruses analog boost parameter, if you set it to zero you should get closer to a pure sawtooth shape in this case.
Richtig schöne Sounds.
Mochte den Virus schon immer, hab aber leider nie einen gehabt.
Mit nem JP und nem Virus kann man sich schon so richtig schön in den Himmel spielen!
Klasse Video!
Richtig, hätte die beiden auch gerne. Leider völlig überteuert bei den Gebrauchtpreisen... schätze, es gibt einfach zu viele, die zu solchen Mondpreisen auch noch kaufen.
some guys reversed engineered the DSP56300 so now you can have the Virus B, C and RackXL in your PC. IT´s an identical replica, I mean it is the synth running in your PC without the need of the hardware. Just google DSP56300 emulation and you will land on their page. It is free.
@@chakko007 some guys reversed engineered the DSP56300 so now you can have the Virus B, C and RackXL in your PC. IT´s an identical replica, I mean it is the synth running in your PC without the need of the hardware. Just google DSP56300 emulation and you will land on their page. It is free.
@@agauerm Yeah, I have it installed. Unfortunately, very CPU hungry. At least my CPU can't handle it without crackling if I play a few more voices, or use unison.
There’s ‘something’ about the onboard EQ on the JP8000… It adds a bit of magic
I think perhaps the JP8080 has more supersaw videos "VS"
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As usual, the soft synth sounds 10 times brighter.
Let's compare 3 synths and see what sounds most like all those 90's trance tunes that were made with the JP8000.
Wow! The JP8000 sounds the closest 😊
I used to own a JP8000 in the 90's btw.
I own a lot of software synths oriented to the SuperSaw sound that can do a decent recreation. None of them accurately do it in the way the Roland Jp8k does, but they all do their own interesting take.
My favorite though is probably U-he Hive. Sylenth1 actually does a pleasant recreation as does Spire. It's too bad there isn't an opensource hardware module of a PC that could load a single VST at a time to play as a hardware synth. Something the size of the Virus desktop with stereo inputs/outputs and a nice set of controls. I'd probably chose that with Hive or Spire over all the hardware available.
That or just more hardware with VST interfaces. I really hate the tediousness of dealing with hardware in a DAW and hardware manufacturers seem to shy away from addressing that aspect. Yet it would be nice to be able to unplug the synth from the computer at times to play.
Not exactly what you are looking for but are you aware of the Critter & Guitari Organelle? It runs PureData-patches plus you have the hands-on-experience. A friends of mine made me aware of it -> Shoutout to Markus :-)
How about adding the ASM Hydrasynth into the comparison? Would be pretty cool!
Should consider this!
The Virus sounds the most exciting
im from the Netherlands and for me is hands down the JP 8000 .. a dream of mine to own a JP 8000 one day .. but scarce and thus way too expensive to justify in my setup
For me the Roland JP 8000 is the real deal...
Thank you for doing this "shootout" video. I bought my JP8000 back in 1998. Sadly it's been sitting lonely in it's case in my studio. This video makes me want to rediscover it! Question... at about 19:16 in your video... is that your Golden barking? I was a Golden "Dad" for 12 years and it sounded familiar! ;-)
:-D I just need more space for my chair ;-)
My thing is if you want it to sound like a JP8080 you should use a JP8080, other things sound similar but never the same. Like a Chevy Silverado and a Ford F150 are both trucks, do practically the same things but aesthetically they are completely different and so it goes with synthesizers...
Point
What is a decent enough VST plugin to resemble that chorus of JP8000? There is a JP6K vsti that does a good job recreating the supersaw oscillators, but it lacks chorus.
That is an interesting topic, let me dig into this deeper. However I have no answer so far, maybe somebody else?
just get the Roland 60 chorus VST...i've used it with audio files of my Juno-6 and JX-10 and it's amazing
In comparing supersaw with Nord, you wrote that, in the comparison with JP8000, the Serum developer wrote and gave advice. But I didn't see a comment here from Serum developer Steve Duda (Charlie Clouser's classmate). In general, Serum is a synthesizer, first of all, like Waldorf Quantum, Arturia Pigments, Phase Plant and by the way, this is almost the only synthesizer from the VST, which has an excellent sub-bass.
I noticed the JD 990 or was it the JV 1080? or both haha...can you tell me, how does it work when creating songs. Can you save peformance, or song mode, where you have your different sounds that you load in an instant for the track you are working on? Also, between the Jv 1080 and 2080, which one is best sound wise?
You should only hear the designated synth, or when exactly do you hear the JD990 or JV1080? When it comes to producing I'm a ITB-guy, hence I like to have everything stored in there. As a result I don't care really much about performances/song modes of the machines, because in the end, everything should be stored as audio files in my sessions. Presets I only store on the synths itself, I gave up messing around with sysex-data :-D
Talking about specific songs, I like the magic of the sounds that are loaded in the machines right in that moment, nothing more :)
JV2080: Haven't got one, heard only a few presets but I could imagine that it has more of everything compared to the JV1080 : )
Performance mode lets u allocate one patch on the 'upper' part of the kb, and the 'lower' part of the keyboard. These use independant midi channels..
Basically allowing u to use 2 patches on different channels, tossed across a spliut KB (which is the only way to get two different sounds playing independantly)
Now this halves your voices, BUT working smart with effects, u can get around this and trust me, even the fattest sounds use only one or 2 voices anway...
So speaking of fat... On the flipside, instead of splitting the KB, you can also hang onto those two parts, BUT have them playing all at once across the KB range (No kb split at middle C) this way, both patches (or parts in performance mode) play at once on the one midi channel.
Now, if youre clever, you can copypasta patch 1 which you set to the lower KB part, over to another patch location, toss that new copy into a performance patch and set it to upper...
Now as theyre identical, midi ch 1 and 2 (as example) will independantly control upper and lower.. BUT... kill off the KB split and what youre left with is BOTH patches now playing at the same time, on midi ch1 (IF you set the patch to read from ch1)... meaning youve got a 2 part (or partial) stack with 2 supersaws plus its secondary osc (as an example) playing at the same time... on the one channel
Now, you can tweak the upper or lower part of that stack to give you variation and REALLY double up your sound or if you want global control, then just use either upper or lower and forget stacking...
Now obv you'll only have "one' sound from 2 patches set up in this mode/method, but it DOES give you double the supersaws... umm.. imagine a Roland Gaia with only 2 oscolators instead of 3 and without a global control.
Theres no global tweaking of the stacked sound like the Gaia or Zencore though, so what you do with one of those patches (upper or lowr) , wont affect the other..
As for accessing program changes.. it works like any other synth with program changes and other midi control. The JP DOES suck at its midi implementation, but its functional. tbh, it was easier to set upa performance with 2 patches (upper and lower) split the KB and set each upper and lwoer to its own midi channel. This let me play 2 different sounds independantly. I also never used remote program changes to change patches as my work is predominately loop based and I also use HW sequqncers (as well as DAWs obv) so when a PC message is received, the JP will respond by loading up and resetting that message to its original state. In other words, it'll take a second for the unit to set up parameters loaded each time u change patch or send PC message.
So its easier to set up songs and PC messages at not so busy points in your song.. or just change performance manually... this way theres no hiccuping at loop points whenever that PC message is looped and received...
As for the 1080 vs 2080... I wouldn't bother with either.. depending on your setup and your genre and needs, an expanded 5080 would be a better option and better value for money.. and just your luck, Roland have a fully loaded and expanded JV5080 in their Roland Cloud for $3 a month...
Now remembering that these units are glorified high end rompler, you know your gna be limited to the sounds somewhat.. BUT its VERY powerful with what it can do with those PCM samples...
On the flipside, if you want something just as versatile but using synthesis instead of samples, BUT more synth oriented with a proper modulation structure, then Id say go for any device with a Zencore engine.. yes, even the mc101..The MC707/101 is a jacked up 4 part JP8000, with the bonus of having quadruple the number of oscilators per part, common global control, about 100 effects, a ridiculously useful scatter/remixer, multiple filter types, ... plus a sampler if you really wna go there...
The 4 partial (stack) synth engine is ridiculously powerful and Roland have mimicked pretty much every sound you can possibly imagine to run on these devices... Putting the crap interface to the side and editing on Zenology, you can copypaste that patch u made in SW and load it up in the MC11 to take it with u on a gig. Id suggest an MC707 coz it also acts as a hybrid mixer (great for PC interfacing) and edits are easy to do on the screen.
Roland REALLY hit a golden goose with that engine...
Good luck
What do you think of the behringer jt-4000? Finally a way to get something a bit similar for an affordable price!
Nice! I was not aware of the Behringer JT-4000 and would have to do some more research. Thanks for the hint.
No other demos between the JP-8000 and the Virus Supersaw? Well good sir, I happen to have done one months ago 😎 That said, I thurougly enjoyed your vid. Very in depth, which I love. Sirum would not be what I'd reach for when it comes to Supersaws. It's a great plug in, but the JP and the Virus crush it. IMO the JP-80x0 is the best by far, Virus (TI2) has a better set of fx, but I never use built-in FX anyway.
Rock on! That's weird I totally missed that (Google should improve their search engine, lol). Can you drop some words regarding the Ti2 Hypersaw? I'm curious how that compares or is different to the Unison-mode the B has.
@@MarcRenton no sweat, it is titled as "The $15,000 Supersaw" and was a comparison of 6 synths and their Supersaws all dialed in to 7 detuned saws to make it fair to the JP-8000, so even if it did show in Google probably wasn't obvious.
The TI2 is really amazing. The Hypersaw is an oscillator, just like the Supersaw wave form on the JP-8000, but youre able to add way more than 7 saws. I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think you can do up to 14 or 15. It's different than unison, because unison steals voices where as the Hypersaw and Supersaw are oscillators with multiple wave forms already. Hope that makes sense. Basically using unison will heavily reduce the overall amount of playable voices as you increase the amount of unison and the Hypersaw and Supersaw's don't. Pretty sure that's the main difference.
Where are those days where you could pick up an used jp8k for about $400? I sold mine a while ago and now I'm regretting it.
I feel with you *cry* But you can make other bargains these days.
The JP8000 sounds fuller stronger and cleaner, defiantly the roland jp8000 for me.The serum is just brighter sounding the JP is much fatter. What you did wrong was when adding the supper saw to the jp you didn't add the chorus making it sounding mono in comparison without stereo width being added, the other synths effects added width to their sound which makes them sound fuller & wider simple, the other synths effects were adding stereo width, creating a wider field of sound. I can tell you this the Jp8000 super saw is much fatter by far.
Agreeing to what you were saying! Maybe it is time for an update of this video with all the feedback I've got here
Agreed. Hearing them next to each other the JP8000 is also my preferred synth.
Gutes Video. gestern habe ich ein tutorial gesehen, da hat jemand das genauso erklährt wie du eine supersaw ist 2 saw waves eine detuned von der anderen also braucht man zwei Oszilatoren. Gerade habe ich ein Roland Video gesehen die sagen die supersaw entsteht indem die saw wave von einem lfo moduliert wird. Jetzt sind bei mir die ??? aufgekommen xd
virus and jp 8000 sounds better than the serum plugin.
i want virus and jp i dont have enough money for that
Hm I just listened to one of your tracks and it sounds like you already have a virus, lol.
@@jamesb6906 i dont..
hi how do you get your jp800 to work on only one midi channel as i have owned a jp8080 for the last 8 years and never used it due to i cant get it to stop playing another one of my synths on a diffrent channel
I haven't figured out a 100%-solution because the JP8000 is using two Midi-channels for the lower and upper-part. But since I do not use this feature, I only configured one Midi-channel for the upper part and I am using it in Single-mode to have all the voices available for my patch. Therefore I changed its Midi-channel to #10. My Nordlead is connected via USB to my DAW. In the Nordlead I am passing channel #10 through its built in MIDI-thru connector that is driving the JP8000. Hope that explains it clearly what I am doing :-)
@@MarcRenton mmmmm ok im confused at the midi channel 10 moment as 10 is the drums?
@@scooby3030 In the Part's MIDI-configuration you can change the current midi-channel, as stated in the manual.
@@MarcRenton hi ya yes but why ch 10?
@@scooby3030 because it was free. I need to use any other midi channel than my nordlead on its midi bus
JP is the best!
had all 3 and serum,
now have virus b and don't use serum ❤ virus forever, one day might get ti2
A V-Synt is better. Virus is thin and difficult to operate... when he does it 🤖😀
pls upload serum preset
Hi! Not sure if this helps a lot since I was only starting from the init sound and did all the edits in the video. :)
JP8000= SUPER SAW=8 POLYPHONY X 7 SAW DETUNED= PERFOMANCE MODE
I like the virus best I think
Serum doesnt speak to me. It sounds sterile and not musical. Jp 8000 has classic supersaw sound. Virus sounds a little more modern. Both are good.
Thats because the JP isn't a stable or in phase super saw, so these comparisons aren't really alike. You can make the last two sound identical to the Roland but there isn't enough control in the Roland to make it sound like the other two.
I appreciate th4e effort in doing something like this, however there are many issues and problems with your method.
Each unit has its respective spec and actual chipset and what is 'good' compared to another is a matter of taste... Theres also the issue of HOW the algorythms between the units work, as each carries its own nuance.
I wont go too much into this, but what i will say is this... PLEASE try to vary your demo patterns to use all the keyboard range and NOT use the same loop over and over again whch was SO terrible on the outset, it inevitably sounded like a screaching supersaw fighting a cat... Sorry, but Im so over the supersaw and its overuse, that its not even funny anymore...
Can someone say ear fatigue... ?
Thats not to say i hate it, i dont, what Im saying is that its overused... Practically every hard trance track and most of the trance we hear these days just throws one in hoping for the best...
Most people who DO use it, are being very generic and safe and not really experimenting with its full abilities. I wont get into that here, but that lil oscilator common section and XMod tweakability has had me pulling my hair out tryin to mimic my JP patches on the Gaia with massive failings... So teh JP really is a unique unit...
However The EQ and Chorus are what make the JP stand out from other units offering the same thing.. that chorus is close to the Juno/Jupiter/Alpha.. and yes, u can make a hoover .... a real one with PWM... LOL
Honestly the Novation MiniNova is actually FAR more powerful and tweakable than the JP and can be triple stacked as opposed to only having one supersaw on the JP. And i]I'll get into units like the Gaia momentarily which has a supersaw but is crippled in its implementation.....
OK so lets talk about your demo... Sadly you dont go into the settings of each device or their eq settings or curves, or filter type, or crossmod or LFO config etc... If theyre all set flat, you gta remember that the JP has a crossmod and EQ which is ALWAYS on. Its filters are also very unique and its resonance is a ridiculous range. Ive killed 2 amps in the studio... Im not even kidding... And I can get it to literally 'whip' a sound which I cant do on any other synth.. imagine tb303 slide but add a cross modulated rate, synced with LFO.... Like I said, that crossmod changes the game for this unit and believe me ive tried to mimic the JP... But I digress...
Now, ive got 5 different devices, excluding software, with a supersaw of some type LOLLL.
Point is, theyre ALL gna sound different... and theres no good or bad coz within the track itself, there is no reference point to compare.. and why would you want to anyway??
You can always tweak your Supersaw to have it sound like any other... some people will disagree, and thats fine, but within a mix, beleive me, youre not giong to care what or how you achieve the sound, so long as it carries that pitch, and timbre and fatness combo... Once people start using different gear, they quicklylearn which sounds are better suited for what gear...
As for software, if you want something close to the JP, check out Superwave Pro. Theres no feedback oscilator but its the closest youll get to a JP in SW vsti. There are quite afew synths out there that can pull off this sound... but honestly, the supersaw IS overused... and its too easy to get bored of it these days coz people are getn lazy with sound design....
_Totally_ agreeing with what you're saying.
My intention was not to provide the "all over all" truth of all that synths. Instead, having them all together in my studio after YEARS doing my hobby lead me to do a comparison on my own. As a result you never hear me saying which one is better than the other.
But just to pick up a few things:
JP Mod section: Unfortunately mine seems to have some knobs I need to replace, especially in the mod-section + ribbon. Hence, I did not use it really (yet! need to replace those ones)
Keyboard Range: The biggest difference there I learned from my JX3P, OMG what did I know about VA's before :D
Thanks for video! Virus and JP are pretty disappointing, just wondering on all that hype about them.
I really like your comment and I though about it for for a while. I agree with what you're saying, but I understand the hype. Hence, I should do a video about it :-D
TLDR: I believe you can achieve the same results with any tool. But if you have the originals in place (Virus, Nordlead, JP8000), they are the fastest ways to come to the results you are looking for.
@@MarcRenton Lemme explain my frustration. I always thought virus and jp8000 were the best for supersaw-like sounds... But it turns out that dirt-cheap MikrokorgXL and Korg R3 can produce faaaar more bright and powerful "90s trance lead" type patches. Yes, at the cost of all available polyphony.
@@zzwave1241 you might have bad acoustics and dont hear whats really happening. Remember that whatever you hear on your speakers or headphones is what only you hear: unless you have a treated room or acoustically corrected headphones you might not be hearing what you think you are hearing. As for brightness, people tend to hear brighter sounds closer and more detailed: this however will be very hard to mix without sounding brittle and overly piercing. Much easier to add brightness to a fat synth with a very good natural mid range than trying to balance these super bright modern synth sounds.
I have mixed songs with the Korg Minilogue so I can only comment on that, but they tend to sound very brittle and cheap on the high end on a professional studio system.
supersaw = unison
this was a confusing video to follow... :/
JP8000 ITS BEEN THERE FROM BEGINING U CAN'T COMPARE IT WITH VIRUS OR SERUM COMPUTER SOFT , THAT'S A LEGEND AND WILL BE FOREVER !!!!
That's just natural coming from it amazing synth.
All this days trance sucks, been made by computer soft ,classic its classic and i believe all missing that !
Not everyone does you know. There are some trance producers that use the jp8000 and maybe a virus in their setup. But they are becoming rare. One day I will have a Roland and a virus in my studio
@@frederikjacob1985 I just bought jp8000 its amazing man! All the best to you and hope u will have all what u need !
Serum sounds horrible in this comparison.