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    Primarchs were genetically coded to be loyal to their Primarchs and love them, but this wasn't always the case
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  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  Před rokem +435

    If only Angron used salicylic acid in his skincare routine, maybe his sons would have respected him
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    • @sharinganamvs9839
      @sharinganamvs9839 Před rokem +8

      Day 5 of requesting to make a video on Cato Sicarius

    • @withlovefromlightindust591
      @withlovefromlightindust591 Před rokem +8

      Hello Majorkill,
      Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

    • @consolidate84
      @consolidate84 Před rokem +2

      Need ice-cream

    • @shanelop8749
      @shanelop8749 Před rokem +5

      Make a BattleTech video!!!!

    • @cloodhound9417
      @cloodhound9417 Před rokem +2

      Running out of content huh

  • @LordMephiston40k
    @LordMephiston40k Před rokem +331

    Every Legion: “Father”
    Emperor’s Children: “Daddy”

    • @thefungus4220
      @thefungus4220 Před 11 měsíci +14

      Blood angels too

    • @Aren61104
      @Aren61104 Před 4 měsíci +10

      Salamanders too but they use it for a different reason

    • @MikaalHasnain-ep7qu
      @MikaalHasnain-ep7qu Před 3 měsíci +5

      I feel like the emperor's children would be the space marines who get on there knees and you know the rest

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Před rokem +404

    World Eaters Legion: "NOTICE US!"
    Angron: *"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"*

    • @fhwkeifuenw
      @fhwkeifuenw Před rokem +67

      "Hey dad, do you wanna go train with me?"
      "F*ck off!"

    • @DeadBattleBrother15
      @DeadBattleBrother15 Před rokem +16

      He didn't notice them because he erase their existence

    • @carsoncasmirri3874
      @carsoncasmirri3874 Před 11 měsíci +8

      Considering he killed 4 them on their first meeting and by all accounts it should have been 5 but I don’t know how the fuck Kharn managed to survive the ass beating he got

    • @anirudhashok3332
      @anirudhashok3332 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@carsoncasmirri3874the explanation was something like despite not fighting back against angron he still looked completely defiant after getting his ass beat

  • @IronVigilance
    @IronVigilance Před rokem +551

    Mortarion was also conducting combat exercises with his Legion to establish a bond between the original Terran born marines and the ones recruited from Barbarus. This shows his acceptance and willingness to work with the original Dusk Raiders. This training proved invaluable when they wiped out a whole legion of tanks with their battle formation

    • @Ungantor
      @Ungantor Před rokem +64

      His summary did kind of gloss over how Typhon was the corrupt element rotting the legion from within from the very start. Mortarion didn't trust anyone BUT his sons, despite how that repeatedly ended up being a bad idea.

    • @Tanzenergise
      @Tanzenergise Před rokem +32

      he is one of those tragic primarchs like angron who got into his situation because of an outside force he coulden't control. if it weren't for Typhus sending them into nurgles domain mortarian would still be loyal to the emperor. besides his design his story is the reason he's my favourite traitor primarch.

    • @undercovertakodachi4301
      @undercovertakodachi4301 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@Tanzenergisewe love that moth Wings

    • @Tanzenergise
      @Tanzenergise Před 9 měsíci +1

      ide like to reiterate on this one, by "loyal" i mean he'd still be serving under the emperor, i mean "loyal" very loosely here considering what the emperor did to him.

    • @RetroRadianceLight
      @RetroRadianceLight Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Tanzenergisewhat? Save him when he couldn’t even get inside of his adoptive’s father’s gate? How awful of Big E

  • @bloodjunky9214
    @bloodjunky9214 Před rokem +178

    The fact that Gilliman felt bad he didn’t love his 40k sons like he did his 30k sons speaks to how he came to feel about them and that the lion is reincorporating the fallen back to the angels instead of killing puts his care for them over his untrusting nature. The loyalist primarch cared more about their sons that what seemed on the outside

    • @gamechanger8908
      @gamechanger8908 Před 6 měsíci +8

      This actually makes me sad for Corvus.
      Corvus saw his Legion and each Space Marines as brothers in arms, knowing how he fought and bled with them.
      But when he returns they're pretty much strangers to him and probably worship him. Though he would respect Shrike for how he values the freedom and safety of worlds doomed by Imperial Corruption rather than glories of Astra Millitarum commanders.

    • @jiyuhong5853
      @jiyuhong5853 Před 2 měsíci

      the lion is what?

  • @NP3GA
    @NP3GA Před rokem +2143

    Day eighty two of asking majorkill to compare Abaddon and Archaeon

  • @mikee9464
    @mikee9464 Před rokem +342

    I have to admit Guilliman has grown on me with the new lore. He is super relatable and I am enjoying the books about him

    • @cesso666
      @cesso666 Před rokem +47

      He's Warhammer's Steve Rogers

    • @Thrall900
      @Thrall900 Před rokem +17

      The Matt Ward era was rough, but I felt it was needed

    • @nomus1172
      @nomus1172 Před rokem +30

      I guess it has to do with the fact that he was the only primarch that had a normal family that didn’t use , manipulate , groom , mutulate , or was nonexistent.

    • @apalienn
      @apalienn Před 11 měsíci +16

      He's my favourite primarch so seeing ppl like him more makes me happy

    • @lpedr0l
      @lpedr0l Před 6 měsíci +1

      You mean a primark grew inside you? 😏🤣

  • @chuck2703
    @chuck2703 Před rokem +110

    Nightlords were like abused sons. They hated Curze but when he died they were unified in the loss. A video of last few seconds of his life brought sadistic killers to cry...

  • @jdosser
    @jdosser Před rokem +286

    With Mortarion, it's interesting that the Death Guard that abandoned him to join Typhus still respect Mortarion. Most Death Guard in the current setting are HH era Marines with almost all of them coming from Barbarus and they still remember what Mortarion did for them and still respect him for that.

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Před rokem +39

      I guess Morty was a better father figure than Big E. At least that's what he tells himself.

    • @charlesfisher-kh5sw
      @charlesfisher-kh5sw Před rokem +8

      typhus and morty fucking hate each other

    • @jdosser
      @jdosser Před rokem +19

      @@charlesfisher-kh5sw I was more referring to the Death Guard that follow Typhus, not Typhus himself

    • @mariusconstantin6057
      @mariusconstantin6057 Před 20 dny

      ​@@robertnelson9599so far as a non reader I can agree that Mortarion being better than Big E at being a dad isn't that hatd to imagine.
      He did fuck up all of the traitor Primarch and loyalist somehow

  • @trimeerious4349
    @trimeerious4349 Před rokem +831

    Getting a video about how each of the pre-heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation of first to re-emerge and rule the imperium would be cool ngl

  • @NP3GA
    @NP3GA Před rokem +167

    (( As time has proven, a caring paternal figure is the best defence against the vileness of chaos))
    - Shield host Proteus

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Před rokem +448

    The Salamanders loved their Primarch so much they're willing to find all of Vulkan's Artefacts and bring them together so he will return.
    Which Vulkan will emerge from his deepest darkest corner of his room in Nocturne to go to space and make a Dramatic Entrance by Drop Pod before his sons.

    • @doomfistmain5515
      @doomfistmain5515 Před rokem +31

      When you said darkest corner I thought you were gonna make a joke about his skin colour

    • @Fugels
      @Fugels Před rokem +38

      I see what you did there. Always good to see tts is still in our hearts.

    • @ralkrey9526
      @ralkrey9526 Před rokem +20

      Damn if they can't find it then Vulkan wouldn't even show up ever. That's going to be more sad if Trazyndiana Jones have it.

    • @ramonserna8089
      @ramonserna8089 Před rokem +21

      And reveal the real treasure is each other friendship they made while searching the artifacts.

    • @chasezirkle3328
      @chasezirkle3328 Před rokem +21

      I WISH TO PET THIS CREATURE

  • @muzanjackson8827
    @muzanjackson8827 Před rokem +655

    I think you're a bit harsh on Morty. When he was talking to Garro, Garro felt a rush of devotion to him, and Mortarion expressed regret at the deaths of his loyalist sons.
    Edit: Mom I’m famous

    • @RikkiTikkiTavi290
      @RikkiTikkiTavi290 Před rokem +35

      Could have just been Primarch aura at work.

    • @muzanjackson8827
      @muzanjackson8827 Před rokem +91

      @@RikkiTikkiTavi290 yeah, that's what I'm saying. Morty had absolute control over it. He literally hid in a room full of people, and no one noticed him until he wished it.

    • @MWH12085
      @MWH12085 Před rokem +95

      Morty only agreed to serve Nurgle because it was the only way to save his sons.

    • @domc9801
      @domc9801 Před rokem +92

      I hate Mortarian he’s a hypocrite and idiot but……he loved his sons, that’s with out a doubt true, they probably never knew his turmoil, he largely kept to himself and others expressed devotion to him, he fell mainly because he wanted them to live, he made a choice most primarchs would have made and one that ironically enough Magnus made.

    • @danielallen839
      @danielallen839 Před rokem +5

      ​@@MWH12085 people like to forget that about him alot but im sure his sons would rather die than join nurgel

  • @randomcenturion7264
    @randomcenturion7264 Před rokem +22

    Konrad: I hate you
    Night Lords: Right back at you dad

  • @diegogisbertllorens7416
    @diegogisbertllorens7416 Před rokem +76

    Just a correction about the Salamanders and Iron Hands reaction to the death of their respective gene-daddies: yes, some Salamanders were emotionally wrecked, but overall the XVIIIth's reacted with stubborn faith in the fact that Vulkan Lives (stomp! Stomp!), whereas the Xth as whole had massive emotional trauma they never recovered from. As said in one of the novels "whatever they needed to cope with the pain of their loss, had been taken from them during their ascension".

    • @brockwilkie6022
      @brockwilkie6022 Před rokem +9

      yeah I was surprised how he put the Salamder reaction as lower than Iron Hands. Those guys lost it and it still affects them 10,000 years later. Seriously, get over it guys.

  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  Před rokem +62

    Somethings I neglected to mention
    - Corvus despised his Terran born marines and banished most of them due to them reminding him of the slave masters he overthrew, his relationship i refer to now was with the rest of the legion he didn’t banish/recruited from deliverance
    - morty was loved and respected by his legion as evident by the death guard being one of the only cohesive tesitor legions still around, but he still definitely unnerved many in his own legion.
    - admittedly my iron hands lore isn’t excellent, I was referencing his pre death lore as well as how some of the istvaan survivors (Weyland and friends) reflected on it as my source. Seems like the relationship wasn’t as good as I was lead to believe

    • @SOY.O.G
      @SOY.O.G Před rokem +9

      Sisters of battle foot job

    • @SOY.O.G
      @SOY.O.G Před rokem +4

      Oh fuc this aint google no manches

    • @krieger8825
      @krieger8825 Před 18 dny

      Who wouldnt hate them tbh. They were assholes even by Terran standards

  • @DjuraValtr
    @DjuraValtr Před rokem +87

    it's funny how Ahriman repeated the same "mistake" his father did. Magnus tried to warn Emp, Emp got mad. Ahriman tried to warn Magnus, Magnus got mad.

    • @CidVeldoril
      @CidVeldoril Před 7 měsíci +16

      Magnus personality-wise is VERY much like Big E. They even came to the same conclusion about the Choas Gods early on. Magnus knew about them for a while and decided telling his sons about them would be a BAD idea. Sadly, Magnus being probably the closest to Big E in personality, he also inherited spades of his arrogance.

  • @Memelord1117
    @Memelord1117 Před rokem +276

    Please do a video of how the 30k Imperium devolved into its current counterpart.

    • @nexusthenormie5578
      @nexusthenormie5578 Před rokem +11

      Good vid idea

    • @eagle_and_the_dragon
      @eagle_and_the_dragon Před rokem +7

      Ecclesiarchy, the Inquisition and Chaos.
      The growth of all three resulted in Imperial degradation.
      Only the arrival of Guilliman finally balanced out the control of power in the Imperium, helping to delay collapse and inspire hope.

    • @Shitbird3249
      @Shitbird3249 Před rokem +7

      Long ago in a distant land I aku…Emperor of Mankind turned a 39 into a 40.

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Před rokem +1

      I know the High Lords voted to make the Imperial Cult a state religion in order to have better control over the populace.

    • @24fretsoffury
      @24fretsoffury Před rokem

      Just read the Heresy, that’s how shit got fucked.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Před rokem +215

    The Iron Hands despised Ferrus Manus for being weak and fell in battle a weakling during the Horus Heresy.
    And that he intended to teach them of not hating their own flesh and replacing it with excessive cybernetics after the Great Crusade, which the Iron Hands don't like it.

    • @TheBreaker153
      @TheBreaker153 Před rokem

      They prolly still love him it’s just watching their dad die like that induced a legion wide mental breakdown. That’s why they “despise him”. They love ferrus above all

    • @carltomacruz9138
      @carltomacruz9138 Před rokem +4

      Ferrus always lost to Fulgrim. That's weak.

    • @junkdunkster7201
      @junkdunkster7201 Před rokem

      @@carltomacruz9138 fulgrim had daemon dick hacks, mind you

    • @discountplaguedoctor88
      @discountplaguedoctor88 Před rokem +38

      @@carltomacruz9138 You do realize that Fulgrim was infamously skilled as a duelist to the point where MORTARION wondered whether the Khan had a shot at beating him in a straight fight, right?

    • @sokratikas
      @sokratikas Před rokem +36

      That was a chunk of the iron hands,by no means all. But really that's trauma speaking since throughout the great crusade they loved ferrus. He was harsh and demanding like perturabo,but fair,and would uphold the same standards he demands from his sons to himself and for that he was loved by sons,and to even receive a scrap of praise from him was a source of pride for them. After his death him being "weak" for falling to his emotions was simply a way to cope with the fact that the man they all looked up the most had died

  • @berilsevvalbekret772
    @berilsevvalbekret772 Před rokem +130

    With magnus ironically there is still huge amounts of love but also bitterness anger and pain. ESPECIALLY between Ahriman and Magnus. If I remember correctly TS are still among the more cohesive 'chaos' legions.

    • @blizzardgaming7070
      @blizzardgaming7070 Před rokem +21

      Them and the Deathguard are the only two to have never fractured.

    • @LouisKing995
      @LouisKing995 Před rokem +20

      Most of them are mindless automatons aren’t they ? After the rubric.

    • @Gabronthe
      @Gabronthe Před rokem +8

      Magnus has formally forgiven Ahriman because dwelling on it doesn't cure the rubrics.

    • @heartlessnobody1143
      @heartlessnobody1143 Před rokem +11

      Emperor on the Golden toilet: *now you know how it feels. Huh?*

    • @berilsevvalbekret772
      @berilsevvalbekret772 Před rokem +1

      @@LouisKing995 yep I meant those who have remained.

  • @jonathan6401
    @jonathan6401 Před rokem +61

    How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be a cool video idea

  • @higsbymacguffin3982
    @higsbymacguffin3982 Před rokem +54

    Mortarion's greatest flaw was a complete and utter inability to get over himself, but I see him more as a figure of self induced tragedy than genuinely malicious. It's a shame too because his more positive qualities would make his sons prime Grey Knight material. I'm starting to think Typhus is the biggest douche ever to receive gene-seed.

    • @henrypaleveda7760
      @henrypaleveda7760 Před rokem +9

      Erebus

    • @AthosJosue
      @AthosJosue Před 9 měsíci +4

      I wouldn't say self induced, he was abused and traumatized in his youth and then denied of revenge and closure, so his tragedy is in a big measure caused by trauma and pain.

    • @richardmoskalyov8503
      @richardmoskalyov8503 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Typhus is so hated that he doesn't even have demonhood

    • @higharchbishopofteatasting6217
      @higharchbishopofteatasting6217 Před 4 měsíci

      2nd. 2nd biggest, Erebus exists.

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 Před rokem +33

    Dude, you nailed. I've always wondered why I liked Guilliman the best, and you pointing out his "humanity" is exactly why. He's been my go to for about 20 years now.

  • @planetbob6703
    @planetbob6703 Před rokem +108

    Wonder how the war hounds would feel about true Angron. Would they reject him for beeing too nice? Would Vulkan reject him for not burning enough unarmed children?

    • @macewindu3492
      @macewindu3492 Před rokem +40

      He and Vulkan would have a hugging competition. No one would die, but many ribs would be broken

    • @Scp-682-
      @Scp-682- Před rokem +13

      Bro that was a one time thing and Vulcan had a really really bad day

    • @human6310
      @human6310 Před rokem +3

      @@Scp-682- He was really sorry about it!!!

    • @XXMatt0040XX
      @XXMatt0040XX Před rokem +4

      @@Scp-682- I get the reasoning behind it, but dammit that moment only exists to make him have a bad moment. It's like forcing a square peg in a round hole because eVeRytHinG iS AwFuUL iN 40k. Like it's GW policy no matter how bad of writing it is

    • @PoorManatee6197
      @PoorManatee6197 Před rokem +9

      @@XXMatt0040XX Its like the typical "Quick, the villain is making too much sense, make him kick a dog or something!"

  • @mewopswisher5342
    @mewopswisher5342 Před rokem +31

    A video on how each Primarch would react in Guilliman place would be pretty cool.

    • @trevorwhatever2050
      @trevorwhatever2050 Před rokem +3

      *Primarch
      *Guilliman
      Come on, it's not that hard...

    • @ralkrey9526
      @ralkrey9526 Před rokem +4

      @@trevorwhatever2050 Gurlyman? Or Guillotine or is it gorillaman? Guilliman is hard just like Cumberspatch or cucumbatch.
      Anyways loved papa Rob.

    • @Memelord4dayz
      @Memelord4dayz Před rokem +3

      ​@@trevorwhatever2050 we all know what he meant. Don't be a buzzkill there bud

  • @solomonpachowiak106
    @solomonpachowiak106 Před rokem +17

    After reading the Primarchs series of books I realized that most of them were actually good dudes before their respective tragedies. Angron could have been great, but they drove the Nails into him, twisting him into something horrible.

  • @bogdanlevi
    @bogdanlevi Před rokem +15

    "City of light", the third Mephiston book, can provide some insight into the court of the Crimson King in the current 40k era.
    It is described as "ever in flux" with never-ending backstabbing scheming BS done by the sons in order to gain Magnus' favour, only to lose it on a whim later.

    • @goldstandard8107
      @goldstandard8107 Před rokem +2

      This is a perfect representation of the servants of Tzeentch

    • @_easyconcept
      @_easyconcept Před 7 měsíci

      @@goldstandard8107 Not the Thousand Sons though, most of the Pre-Heresy Thousand Sons aren't corrupted by Chaos, Ahriman included.

  • @justinweber4977
    @justinweber4977 Před rokem +12

    Every Legion: We wish we were Salamanders...

  • @arnaudboisse-malervergne3133

    I'm listening to the the Lion: Son of the forest. I got to say the way the Lion calls the fallen his sons is cute a fuck. Especially when he meets Bors and he struggles to hide his smile and joy in order to remain focus on a battle.
    Kind of reminding me of my own father actually

  • @Its_Cannon
    @Its_Cannon Před rokem +8

    Spacewolf: "Jarl Russ, you're acting like a little whelp. Drink this *Slams a giant Primarch sized mug of Fenrisian Ale* you're not yourself when you're sober.
    Leman Russ: *Chugs*
    Spacewolf: Better?
    Leman Russ: *slams the table and laughs* Better.

  • @Desm0708
    @Desm0708 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Vulkan meeting his legion is the reason why I picked Salamanders as my first army.
    Vulkan arrived in their literal darkest hour. If I remember right, they were fighting an Ork WAAGH on a far off planet, nowhere near any other ally, so the legion had no hope of backup. But they kept fighting, because every second they struggled meant another potential life saved. Vulkan arrived with a wave of reinforcements and literally smashed into the Orks, leading the charge from the front.
    When it was over, his legion knelt but Vulkan told them to rise, and he knelt instead in honour of their sacrifice, bravery, honour, and courage. He even gave Cassian Vaughn, the previous commander of the legion, the Power Klaw of the Ork that had mortally wounded him, as a show of respect and honour.

  • @matthewperales9912
    @matthewperales9912 Před rokem +17

    The sad thing about Angron and his World Eaters is that in the book Betrayer while they were traveling to Angron's home planet it mentions that he started to interact more with the World Eaters that were with him on the Conqueror, eating with them watching them fight and even laughing with them. It said that in that short time he was actually closer to his legion than most of the other Primarchs. It is a sad glimpse of the way things could have been without the nails.

  • @zodaloo9303
    @zodaloo9303 Před rokem +14

    Great video, but you forgot to mention that Corvus' relationship to his Legion wasn't entirely positive. More specifically, he was mostly positive towards marines recruited from Deliverance, his home world. The original Terran marines however had a much rougher relationship as they weren't his ideal nor desired marines. So he technicalle exiled most of them to the far reaches away from him, which caused them to go traitor, IIRC.

  • @withlovefromlightindust591

    Hello Majorkill,
    Would you please make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy, and the High Lords of Terra? Pretty please? Thank you.

  • @whitlocktherevanchist5236

    I feel like the death guard still being one of the more held together traitor Legion with mortarian has a whole lot more to do with people who are not servants of nurgle desperately not wanting to be in the same solar system as servants of nurgle. I mean once you're a tentacled stinky decaying poop stain of a person, the only people who wanna be hour friend are other tentacled stinky decaying poop stain people. I can picture a death guard who has one too many cancerous tentacles trying to befriend abaddon and even abaddon being like ".........nope".

  • @thesilentone13
    @thesilentone13 Před rokem +9

    “Asking my girlfriend what she thinks about every primarch and their legion”

  • @crimsonwolf866
    @crimsonwolf866 Před rokem +5

    Corvus definitely has that mercenary boss vibes with his son's. That overall respect but not that much worship. They just see him as the right guy to get shit done and are able to lead them properly as well.

  • @pettit888
    @pettit888 Před rokem +18

    You should do a video on the immaterial college. Loyalist and traitor marines working together against the king in yellow.

    • @butHomeisNowhere___
      @butHomeisNowhere___ Před rokem +1

      The King In Yellow?
      You mean C..... Nevermind, no spoilers 😏

    • @henrypaleveda7760
      @henrypaleveda7760 Před rokem

      What is this?

    • @pettit888
      @pettit888 Před rokem +4

      @@henrypaleveda7760 its from the 2nd bequin book. Lead by a thousand sons sorcerer and also has a dark angel, night lord, iron hand, iron warrior, and a raven guard. They are fighting against other traitor marines, the king in yellow, and the inquisition.

  • @hmsrenown7801
    @hmsrenown7801 Před rokem +28

    Hey Majorkill, maybe you could do the different warships of the imperial navy. It would be kinda cool

  • @Izayoink_Saccuy
    @Izayoink_Saccuy Před 3 měsíci +1

    Morty:*casually enjoying his vacation with his sons*
    Typhus and his daemonic friends:

  • @mthandazosiziba7344
    @mthandazosiziba7344 Před rokem +16

    Dame son two videos two days in a row your putting in the work son, not to mention everything else you got going on. It's inspiring, remember to rest when you can ❤

  • @themos9751
    @themos9751 Před rokem +8

    Think you could do a series where you go through each legion and talk about how they view every other legion and their primarch? Also how their views of other legions changed before and after the other legions were reunited with their primarchs (Notably blood angels)

  • @TheCorrodedMan
    @TheCorrodedMan Před rokem +3

    Lion calling his sons “little brothers” is surprisingly cute. Just adds more credence to my theory that the Primarchs were all sentimental as hell deep down, they just hid it well.
    Maybe Lemen keeps the skull of his Wolf-mom on a chain at his belt, so she can be with him forever as he sails across the stars.
    Maybe Magnus keeps an ancient book, not even one of psychic knowledge; merely an old story told to a small child by a man who had never dreamed of being a father.
    Lorgar definitely has a tattered old set of robes belonging to the tribe that found him on Colchis, before Kor Phaeron showed up. Those people were good to him, and I find it hard to believe that a superhuman would just “forget” that, when their memories are supposed to be flawless.

  • @DefensiveMAN
    @DefensiveMAN Před rokem +167

    Can you do a video on what would have happened if the imperium didn’t become ultra religious and xenophobic after the emperor’s‘’ascension’’

    • @ladosdominik1506
      @ladosdominik1506 Před rokem +12

      I mean Chaos would have bodied the emperor in the warp and wrecked the Imperium.

    • @aniketbiswas7660
      @aniketbiswas7660 Před rokem +17

      Nah even a thousand years after when the imperium's still was not religious Emps was holding out no issue. The golden thrones is actually making him pykically more powerful

    • @robling1937
      @robling1937 Před rokem +24

      I think part of the satire of the setting is that the religious zealotry and xenophobia is both necessary for survival fo mankind, but is also the main cause of nearly all their issues. It points out that fascism (more specifically theocratic fascism) can make for a strong movement, but will ultimately lead to more issues than it solves.

    • @ladosdominik1506
      @ladosdominik1506 Před rokem +1

      @@aniketbiswas7660
      If you say, no issue, thats a massive stretch, the Empire was able to be normal because the Primarchs werw fighting there. By the end of the thousand years they were all gone, and if the Imperium would have had to face shit more, they would have been bodied.

    • @domc9801
      @domc9801 Před rokem +2

      Probably would have been destroyed since that’s kind of what saved them during the siege, giving people something to hold onto as well as power to the emperor through their prayer.

  • @carlosalbertosimba6893
    @carlosalbertosimba6893 Před rokem +18

    Hey Majorkill! Could you do a video discussing which one of the chaos gods was more influential/did more during the Heresy?
    Thank you!

  • @alphariusomegon404
    @alphariusomegon404 Před rokem +3

    Seeing how the relationships between Father's and Son's were and evolved explained a lot of why things turned out like they did.
    A Group without leadership is losing itself, a Leader without the support of his group will crumble under his role.
    The Son's needing their Father like he needs them.

  • @jikjikrodriguez
    @jikjikrodriguez Před rokem +4

    ??No mention on how Corvus Corax despised some of his Terran born Astartes so much that he banished them to the Outer Rim to forever roam the Void in Nomad Predation Fleetsto kill the enemies of the Imperium before they could enter the Galaxy. I'm sure that Arkhas Fal and the Ashen Claws aren't too keen on Corax, and the Carcharodons probably respect Corax but IDK. I'd imagine that all of them would be a bit testy after being forgotten for 10K Years. Corax didn't even call them back for the Horus Heresy but one could argue that Corax probably that they went traitor or rogue like the Ashen Claws. Hell, he would probably be shocked to see how loyal the Carcharodons are.

  • @kgp277
    @kgp277 Před rokem +10

    This video made me realize all the primarchs embody the facets of masculinity. Dorn, the dad figure. Sanguinius, the perfect son. Russ, the irresponsible fun and true brother. Fulgrim, lust and chasing skirts etc.

  • @fallstar7013
    @fallstar7013 Před rokem +2

    6:34 that accent just made my entire day man

  • @lykos2738
    @lykos2738 Před 10 měsíci +2

    You were really charitable with Lorgar and the Word Bearers. After Monarchia and Erebus introducing the legion to Chaos, Lorgar didn't really seem to care about anything other than learning about the Chaos gods, and inversely Lorgar became nothing but a means to an end for most of his legion who just wanted gifts of Chaos or actual daemonic possession. But there was also a weird sub group of WB that were just completely disillusioned with Lorgar. They knew he was completely broken and that they were stuck with him. There's a line in The First Heretic I think where a Word Bearer says "We are no longer the bearers of the word. We now bear only Lorgar". Plus I can't remember where I think I learned this but out of all the legions wasn't genetic loyalty strongest in the WB? Like I swear that's the reason given as to why there were no loyalist Word Bearers. They literally could not defy Lorgar's will.

  • @TheSniperGTO
    @TheSniperGTO Před rokem +2

    Ironic that my Majorkill Lord of the Night mini arrived today, the day after he announced they would all be pulled.

  • @SuspiciouslyGroomedPegasus

    This video makes me have much more respect for Gulliman

  • @RamonChiNangWong078
    @RamonChiNangWong078 Před rokem +6

    I remember that funny moments when Guilliman returns
    What they Ultra Marines did to his personal room.

    • @simondemoulin5815
      @simondemoulin5815 Před rokem +3

      Let me guess : a shrine in his honor ?
      But seriously, what did they do ? I just remember reading that he aknowledge the battle outside his shrine, nod to a heavily wounded ultramarine, maybe pick his gun and go out.

  • @silversurfer8818
    @silversurfer8818 Před rokem +5

    ´You have....broken my heart´. Garros eyes darkened. ´I would have done everything for you, Mortarion. If only you had not betrayed us. But you have become the lie, and led my brothers to ruin! You are the thing you always swore to hate and revile! You deceived yourself and the legion pays the price!´ P: 120-121

  • @THExRISER
    @THExRISER Před rokem +7

    Interesting, many Space Marine-Primarch relationships seem to mirror that of the Primarch and their father, such as Perturabo and the Khan.

  • @Pimpology101
    @Pimpology101 Před rokem

    Dude you’ve steadily become my fav youtuber. This is my go-to when I’m doing shit and I want something 40k running in the back. Very nicely done mate.

  • @aguywithalotofopinions412

    When Guilliman made a joke about paperwork and the marine with him was like ''wtf'' I burst out laughing

  • @gamerentertainer3809
    @gamerentertainer3809 Před rokem +3

    Another great vid keep up the work

  • @PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven

    Lord DaDornable is the most wholesome but strict father.

  • @albioncia
    @albioncia Před rokem +1

    I csn imagine corvus playing a prank with his sons by using his invicibility hack and surprising his sons at the most unexpected and funny moment

  • @snowdawn
    @snowdawn Před rokem

    Awesome lore video as always man

  • @user-bp8vc4wu8b
    @user-bp8vc4wu8b Před rokem

    Thank you Majorkill!!! Your videos always rock!

  • @Mrdrago1990
    @Mrdrago1990 Před rokem +9

    Who would be your ideal cast for a film about the emperor and primarchs

  • @kodak5678
    @kodak5678 Před rokem +2

    Been wondering about this for a while

  • @Visor3410
    @Visor3410 Před rokem +4

    Well to be fair Iron Hands did start a struggle for command after Ferrus' death. Meduson was basically betrayed by his own second in command and all in all a lot of those remaining captains were trying to climb over each other to gain command.

  • @jewsheisty8133
    @jewsheisty8133 Před rokem +3

    A video on each primarchs reaction to chaos and demons would be sick

  • @ThunderQuack777
    @ThunderQuack777 Před rokem +6

    A dark angels model would really improve my relationship with the major minis

    • @horusluprecal1144
      @horusluprecal1144 Před rokem +2

      I'm thinking he's trying NOT to get sued by GW at this point. He did discontinue several items recently. Probably got the C & D order from lawyers.

    • @ThunderQuack777
      @ThunderQuack777 Před rokem

      It's still be sick as hell tho
      I mean he's got an iron warrior mini so why nor a dark angel

  • @bplenzner
    @bplenzner Před rokem +6

    I know that the current Imperium has problem with thinking outside of the box, but to me making new, uncortupted Astartes from gene-seed of traitor Primarchs is something worth considering (I know it is done to an extent). Traitor Primarch are current mostly demons so I doubt there is any "biological attraction" to their Primarch. I mean World Eaters only got crazy since Angron gave them replicas of Butcher Nails. But new ones should be more like pre-Angron War Hounds. And this could be applied to most traitor Legions (Dusk Raiders, Iron Warriors etc.) with the exception of Alpha Legion (not trust-worthy) and Night Lords (always were crazy).

    • @joshrobins130
      @joshrobins130 Před rokem +3

      Well, there is precedence for it with the Blood Ravens (Thousand Sons) and Minotaurs (I believe they're descended from Iron Warriors).

  • @kassuhei
    @kassuhei Před rokem +1

    The 11th primarch got me so good.
    Ths is why i love this channel, no brakes only gas!

  • @stevetrent4638
    @stevetrent4638 Před rokem

    Yaaaay new majorkill on my birthday!

  • @ilasior4496
    @ilasior4496 Před rokem +1

    The traitors of the White Scars didnt commit self-unalivement cause of shame, but of honor. When they decided to go against the emperor they made their most sacred vow to do so. After they were caught Jaghatai gave all of them a chance to renounce the vow and be welcomed back, but every single one turned it down - they made their vow, and they would never break it.

  • @KCUFyoufordoxingme
    @KCUFyoufordoxingme Před rokem

    This is all pretty interesting and important for well rounded understanding for people.

  • @entiliojones4696
    @entiliojones4696 Před rokem

    Really enjoyed the longer scale video

  • @deathmachineable
    @deathmachineable Před rokem +1

    Another reason why Mortarion's relation with the Death Guard even after the HH is somewhat positive aka. more unified than the other traitor legions (besides being a Jack of all Trades, a solid commander and caring for his sons to the point of surrendering to Nurgle to save them): During the Crusade era, he did conduct a certain ritual pretty often, he randomly selected a death guard legionnaire, set a pair of bowls as cups, thus called "The Cups", filled it up with Emperor knows how many kinds of ungodly toxins and poisons and then shared the poison cocktails like a private drink sharing session. This actually made their bond better compared to the other traitor Primarchs (Looking at you Perty!).

  • @tankster99
    @tankster99 Před rokem +5

    I don’t think there was anything wrong with the way Jaghatai handled his relationship with his legion. After Ulanor I think it was(last time the lunar wolves fought alongside the scars.) the commander of the wolves convinced a drunk hassic to join him and his warrior lodge and corrupted him and he in turn started to corrupt the scars. That’s just my take after relistening to the white scar book series. As prior to that meeting hassic had a very good understanding of his Khagen desires and moral compass.

  • @vidgrod695
    @vidgrod695 Před rokem

    Almost 500k lets go

  • @eldritchnight957
    @eldritchnight957 Před rokem +14

    Please do a video on all the living saints

  • @alt-monarchist
    @alt-monarchist Před rokem +3

    You failed to mention that Corvus Corax hated his Terran born sons and sent them into exile for no Effing Reason

  • @ironic4910
    @ironic4910 Před rokem +1

    The space wolf impression killed me😂

  • @impersonal6650
    @impersonal6650 Před rokem +1

    I always liked that the Salamanders are the friendliest space marines in 40k, while looking like literal imps.

  • @krimzonstriker7534
    @krimzonstriker7534 Před rokem +3

    Hmm, thought there would be more discussion about Corvus' tenser relationship with the Terran-born members of his legion given many of them were exiled or went rogue during and after the heresy.

  • @JIMT412
    @JIMT412 Před rokem +3

    Majorkill, knowing how Perturabo, Konrad and Angron were despite by their legions, why the Legions didn't rebel against them?

    • @hamanu666
      @hamanu666 Před rokem +5

      Genetics and battered wife syndrome. The more they are abused by their primarch the more they try to please him to find acceptance.

  • @gimpylove7451
    @gimpylove7451 Před rokem +1

    Good morning from 'murika, majorkill. Hope youre having a good day or night.

  • @300SonsofOdin
    @300SonsofOdin Před rokem +2

    They want to get on their knees and pray to the Emperor, blessed be his name!

  • @17joren
    @17joren Před 11 měsíci +1

    I imagine Terran-borns would also feel different than those from each primarch’s planet.

  • @shanecapers8404
    @shanecapers8404 Před rokem

    All right Majorkill you got me I watched your damn advertisement this time.

  • @eickengelson8120
    @eickengelson8120 Před rokem +1

    Alpha Legion after learning about alpharius death (circa 30 k) :"but hes literally me".

  • @pajurr9437
    @pajurr9437 Před rokem +3

    Nice video ! The intro says it all : cmon it's kinda the same, you have like 3 types of relationship and voilà.
    By the way, I did not skip the sponsored part for once (please add a logo or something in this section) : lmao there are 16 products in front of your girl x)
    Have a good day

  • @dakotalange2858
    @dakotalange2858 Před rokem +3

    Hey Majorkill how about a video over how many legions it would take to beat a combined imperial fist and iron warriors team up, idk have the location at terra and them protecting the emperor but no custodians like a simulation war game or something

  • @Lucas-vl8qc
    @Lucas-vl8qc Před rokem

    Excellent vidéo !

  • @Average_M05_Enjoyer
    @Average_M05_Enjoyer Před rokem +3

    Angron loved his children like he was casey anthony

  • @revenanlone8974
    @revenanlone8974 Před rokem +4

    I just still dosnt understand why Dusk Raiders was given Mortarions genseed when Jaghatais would be match made in heaven by my opinion.

  • @thelordofsomething7362

    LETS GO! 19 minutes, we love 15 minute+ videos

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Před rokem +9

    Konrad Curze hated his own Night Lords Legion because most of its ranks are composed of criminals from Nostramo.
    Said Nostramo fell back into crime and anarchy because Konrad failed to leave behind a strong and stabilized government that follows his set of strict rules and laws when he became its ruler.

    • @zeropsaft
      @zeropsaft Před rokem

      Reasonably hate his legion

  • @nahhfam7678
    @nahhfam7678 Před rokem +3

    I'm sad konrad got killed off. I wanted a weird arc where he goes so crazy that he goes full circle and becomes a vigilante again but on a galactic scale as it was the only thing he found purpose doing.
    He could go after anyone at any time with no rhyme or reason; a corrupt imperial Governer, cultists, daemons he does not care what they are aligned to, only that they are guilty.

  • @maybach5787
    @maybach5787 Před 11 měsíci

    Vulkan and Salamanders: try to not be the best Legion: Impossible

  • @TreewwwyYzzerdd
    @TreewwwyYzzerdd Před 9 měsíci

    If you cant handle me at my Angron, you don't deserve me at my Sanguinius.

  • @camostrike4395
    @camostrike4395 Před rokem +1

    The relationship between Lionel Johnson and his marines is part of the reason y I play them and also how they don’t trust people

  • @provenbeat3395
    @provenbeat3395 Před rokem

    Maybe a short or a full video on what happened to all of Emperor's gear and armor after he "died"?

  • @DinoDills
    @DinoDills Před rokem

    I love the longer….vids lol