Can you believe it? Two men talked on television for over 12 minutes and I, just like the audience in 1977 listened. Oh, how I long for civil discourse that enlightens.
Hard to believe that late night talk shows were ever this good, interesting, intelligent and worthwhile. Thank you Johnny and Carl. Have we ever gotten dumb and simple.
Johnny Carson was a powerful person in the media of you had a shot to get on his show and he liked you, you were made.. No other tv host since can do that. I look back and realize how lucky I was to be born in the late 1960s and to have had such an epic childhood especially the 80s 🤘🎸
Yes.... I believe my TV made itself .... Thanks Carl .. I want a new house ...but I am still waiting for it to create itself .. How long must I wait Ben ? ..1 billion years ,100 billion years ... or for all eternity . I can't listen to idiots for a few seconds, because it makes me depressed how many idiots do listen to them, even though they are supposed to have a brain.
@@MrMurraymanson Your body is not a house; the house is designed, the body has evolved. Your body bears the lowly mark of its origins in its numerous superfluous and poorly designed bits. A house, for all its defects, does not.
Can ANYONE imagine a conversation like this one being held on ANY of the nighttime talk shows today? It's truly saddening to think of how our society has dumbed itself down in the last few decades. :o(
Full credit to Johnny Carson. I cannot imagine a night show host asking questions pertaining to scientific curiosity. Today they try to dumb down the conversation with lame jokes even if the other person is a doctor or a scientist OR they gang up to joke about politics.
When Johnny imitated him in his comedic sketches, he will emphasize the long vowels even longer for fun effect. Dr Sagan was a genius, humanity is poorer without him, a loss to Scientific enquiry and literacy.
I'm so surprised that Carson went so far into this topic of discussion, No talk show today touches on these topics in depth especially not without adding comedy to it lol
Johnny Carson knew who he was in the presence of to make a fool of himself. Carson also was a very deep minded individual who was so interested in many areas just like Carl Sagan.
Yes, they would never let a scientist talk that long and that in-depth without interrupting for a stupid joke on any show today. Credit to Stephen Colbert, who clearly has a love of the sciences and brings scientists on to his show. But he's often guilty of said interruptions.
Rawkstar Jimmy Fallon’s Tonight’s Show sits on the opposite side of the spectrum compared to Johnny Carson. The show is dumbed down considerably. 🤦🏻♂️
Johnny went to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln where he graduated with a Bachelor Degree for radio/speech and a Minor in Physics. His interest in Astronomy was legitimate, and here he was absorbed and learning from the best, the incomparable beautiful mind of Dr Carl Sagan.
Johnny Carson is a pretty smart man to keep a conversation going with Carl like he is. So many hosts today don't know wtf theyre talking about and resort to jokes and laughter and ask completely unrelated questions. Johnny knew the kinds of questions to ask to get for his audience interesting nuggets of new information that they could consume and gnaw on.
@@Araconox he really worked at what he did and it wasnt just comedy. He spent his mornings reading several news papers, magazines, and kept up with current events. He seemed to also read books in what ever free time on the weekends he had. He never seemed to dumb down for the audience nor did he try and bring comedy down. Tho some of his jokes were a bit too over folks heads.
Johnny knew when to be serious, when to include a funny remark, when to let his guest speak uninterrupted, etc. The questions and comments he made were insightful and you could tell he was really curious and not just asking for sake of the TV show.
@@GameTime-yj6qv i think thats the balance he struck. Being personally interested in what this person has to say and not just for the sake of good television. People like to see genuine interactions on the show. And i always see that when i watch his shows.
Fascinating and marvelous - and 40 years ago... why don't we have dedicated, weekly science shows, with intelligent, articulate and earthy presenters like this now...? Dr Sagan, you're sorely missed :(
Why don't we have these types of weekly scientific, intellectual shows on a mainstream source for people to consume? Because the more we know, the less we can be controlled by the system and the powers that be. The more we know, the less we can be tricked and fooled. The more we question, the more we find out the truth and realize we really are in troubled times, in a troubled system that needs to change if we want to see any sort of healthy, sustainable future ahead. Carl Sagan in the 1970s was already talking about 'troubled times' and he was right then, it's just become even worse today. The mainstream news it not a source of real news, by and large, it is a source of soft and hard propaganda. Our job, is to think critically and question everything, come to a common understanding about natural law and what system would be best for human prosperity? It certainly isn't market capitalism. Slavery and destruction is guaranteed in a monetary-market economy. It is time for a new system. Don't be afraid of asking these big questions and probing to find answers.
@@WanderingBrushArt I heard about it in 81 or very early 82. I was working in a music store and my manager played bass in a band in NYC. He told me and a woman who worked in a store next door that a bunch of young gay guys were dying of a weird cancer, The women says wow this could kill us all and I was like nah, probably nothing. She was right. It was spreading before that I agree.
"We are in very perilous times and I think the complex and subtle problems that we face can only have complex and subtle solutions. And we need people able to think complex and subtle thoughts..." Prescient words, dear Carl. (7:32)
5:36 Carl Sagan describing how to answer children's questions: when he said this over 40 years ago you needed to access a library and have some knowledge of how to search for that information. This helped keep the poor and isolated ignorant, and prevented social mobility. The internet provides instantaneous answers and further reading. There is now no reason why any child should be told not to ask stupid questions, nor for the parent make up answers when they don't know themselves. (Unfortunately I had one parent who did this, which created much hatred when I grew older). Such a shame the internet is being used to spread so much bullshit instead.
@@tiprat5051 Not everyone could: I lived in a city and it was still a 30 min journey to the library, then I had to ask for help. Now the access to information is instant.
@@tiprat5051 ... the salient point, IMO, is no adult ever needed to be ashamed of their ignorance. Better to admit it and direct the child to learn the answer. Join them, even, if the subject material was of interest. There's no true context where "that's a silly question" is a valid response. Agreed?
It's ironic to see this pragmatic appreciation for the merits of education in applied technology, juxtaposed with nostalgic remarks of "Jimmy Fallon would never have an intelligent conversation like this." How sad that we should retreat to the safety of some vision of the past, when the future and present have so much to offer.
These kinds of interviews that are 13+ minutes long are just amazing by today's standards. We'd never have this kind of calm, considered discussion on The Tonight Show today.
The principle is that they are responding to the audience. Jimmy Falllon thinks has to be quick and shallow. Because the audience will not tolerate talking/depth. Johnny was great. he had the patience. He was willing to talk and let it breathe. He was a master. Fallon is a celebrity douche.
I think Sagan did more to further the general public's knowledge of astrophysics than anyone. His books and shows were done so that anyone could understand it. Johnny was very well read and very smart. I think Neil degrass Tyson has taken up that mantle.
@akhenatuh you're missing the point. he's not talking about intellectual genius and brilliance, he's talking about the genius and brilliance that it takes to convey complex and countertuitive ideas to the masses who don't have advanced astronomy and math and physics degrees. Sagan, Tyson, hawking with his brief history books, and easily the only person close to or equal or possibly slightly better than Sagan is Richard Feynman. Great teachers aren't the smartest teachers, they're the teachers who can teach and inspire concepts to the most people at the deepest level of understanding...
@James Oliver tyson has been accused of first of all. second he "groped" a shoulder looking for the rest of a tattoo he was being shown and not looking like down her dress or something pervy like that, the top of the shoulder. third the chick misinterpreted something as being an advance and even if let's pretend it was an advance, she went to his place voluntarily and when she said it became uncomfortable everything stopped. no means no doesn't make you guilty of anything if it's said to you unless you ignore it and continue. also, Sagan invited tyson to his home when he was a high school teen. if that happened today, the Sagan would be guilty of worse than the stuff tyson is accused of. maybe creepin is what Sagan taught tyson at that meeting... no I don't actually think Sagan did anything bad and my point was not about Sagan. he mentored tyson and the crap about tyson is crap. you're probably racist or something because it's hard to be a fan of Sagan and not see tyson in the same light.
When I was a teen I snuck into a convention in Washington DC to see Dr. Sagan give a talk. He was fascinating. It was one of the highlights of my life.
Thomas Brooklyn the three stooges made short comedy films for the movie theater, not tv and started in the 1920s. Do you think that’s comparable? Hell, this episode is 1977, 43 years ago. The stooges were in their heyday 45 years before the 1977 Carson episode. In closing, that’s a really bad comparison.
@DerekFewer people are religious today in the USA and are more scientifically literate, just not most Republicans and some Liberals. The more religiosity goes up, the more ignorance goes up. Many of the ignorant make a lot of noise. The USA is also more liberal overall than back then (why they're making so much noise). Overall the world is becoming more intelligent, especially as more women have more rights. Virtually everything improves with the education of women. If you watch the news, it looks quite the opposite though. Gradual positive changes don't make the news and there are many more positive trends we never hear about.
My God... Carl Sagan with a genius.. the greatest gift a teacher-parent can give is to stimulate a childs imagination.. that's when Miracles can happen
I love how brave Carson was. He was a superstar on television, but he always turned to sidekick when someone amazing was on. Rodney, Carl, Don Rickles. Carson had a huge ego, but always knew when to park it.
Carl had the power of perspective. He makes books sound like magic. Most people probably think of them as just a bunch of words on paper but he sees it as a way to talk to the dead. He talks about science in a way that makes it relatable.
First I've read of his but one of my all-time favourites. The way he's able to write about complex topics and abstract them without simplifying too much, is awe-inspiring...
"The Dragons of Eden" is an amazing book. A precursor to "Cosmos" was "Broca's Brain," also brilliant. Oh, heck, everything Sagan wrote was incredible! He is one of my 4 all-time guests to my fantasy dinner.
@@appidydafoo I always like to know people's answers to a question like this. My 'big 4' list has changed over time, but Carl Sagan and Johnny Carson have always been my top 2.
Carl was the first person who was so extremely intelligent, and yet had the ability to explain subjects, and my interest, the cosmos, in a way that the average person could understand! If you have never read his book "Cosmos", I highly recommend his series, still available on DVD!!!
Sagan was such an extremely brilliant man. When was the last time you saw someone like this on a talk show at all, let alone with such a meaningful dive into such a topic?
Man, Carson was a beast. He could keep up with Sagan with ease, most late night host today cannot keep a deep conversation like that, they just keep spitting this talking point over an over.
there is a rage against the individual nowadays the powers that be want pliable clones they want easily molded knit whits they can brainwash into obedience
He was a lying dingbat, is all. Carl Sagan "The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be." Carl Sagan, "I can’t imagine anyone denying the existence of the laws of nature, but I don’t know of any compelling evidence for the old man in the sky." More from the fool, "It’s perfectly possible that the universe is infinitely old and therefore uncaused. In fact, there are detailed cosmological models that hold such a view and that are consistent with everything we know. To my mind, it seems not fully satisfactory to say that there was a first cause. That seems to postpone dealing with the problem rather than solving it. If we say “God” made the universe, then surely the next question is, “Who made God?” If we say “God” was always here, why not say the universe was always here? If we say that the question “Where did God come from?” is too tough for us poor mortals to understand, then why not say that the question of, “Where did the universe come from?” is too tough for us mortals? In what way, exactly, does the God hypothesis advance our knowledge of cosmology? What predictions does it make on which the hypothesis will stand or fall?" from: www.uscatholic.org/articles/202001/god-and-carl-sagan-cosmos-big-enough-both-them-31939 Read the article. Have a vomit bag or trash can nearby for what a hypocritical, lying, mocking, disgusting, foolish person he was. Now, Carl the fool NEVER can get around these laws and what the lead to... Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it. ....yet the buffoon thinks creation happened naturally, but the idiot says, "What predictions does it make on which the hypothesis will stand or fall?" as the crap-for-brains ignores the CLEAR science that creation had to happen by God supernaturally! Still, the fool who ignores the laws farted out, "I don’t know of any compelling evidence for the old man in the sky." Notice his mocking God, "man in the sky" as if that makes him look smart as he completely ignores the evidence. His question, "Who made God?" is as dumb as he is. So in his way of foolish thinking, if a supernatural creator created the natural realm, then that supernatural creator who created the natural realm with its natural laws has then become also bound by those natural laws the supernatural creator created. So explain why a supernatural creator is also bound by the laws the supernatural creator created. Or, show how smart you are and just give your science for creation happening naturally and don't forget to give your science how the natural laws were created, too. If he wanted to act smart, it may be a good idea to actually show you are. Sagan the imbecile will at some point face his Maker for his judgment of what he believed in this life. His extreme shame and regret was all his choice. He wanted to be a hypocritical bozo. Then he'll be thrown into the lake of fire. It will be his 'The End' and be remembered no more. ALL his choice and for others who follow that fool.
I totally agree, his voice was poetic, soothing just music to my ears. I love Finding interviews like this and lectures he gave to students. Wish GPS had the 'Carl Sagan' voice option.
Sagan is very captivating..his voice is soothing and coupled with his intelligence and the way he disperses it is truly wonderful. Hooked from start to finish . R I P CARL
I've always loved listening to Carl Sagan but should also say I was very impressed by Carson. He asked the right intelligent questions and made the occassional joke but without in any way diminishing the importance of what Sagan says unlike a lot of modern talk show hosts interviewing scientists.
What a pleasure to see Carl Sagan when he was young and his impressive voice and conversation with Johnny Carson. Wonderful. Carl is one of my iconic characters that taught me a lot by his tv Cosmos series and great books, such as The Pale Blue Dot. When he died, I was so saddened I told my kids (then) and wife, "I would have gladly offered myself to die, instead of him". So much knowledge and wisdom was lost by his early death!
Can you see Kimmel or Fallon doing such an interview?? Watched Carl Sagan's series "Cosmos" when it first aired on public TV in 1980, by far the best documentary I have ever watched. His calming voice added so much to the show.
Dude went to university at 16 years old, and his first wife Lynn Margulis, co creator of the Gaia Hypothesis went to university at 15, these folks were damn brilliant, I mean, they were in masters programs by time they were 19 or 20.
@@wheres_wolfie Faolan said "it's Carl I want to save, with her speed greater than EM waves, so she set out one day, in a relative way, and now we all have Carl from 50 years ago to this day...
one of the only interviews I've seen with Carson where he is authentically interested as well as thoroughly enjoying the guest. Im 30 so ive been watching Carson on CZcams. So I haven't seen it every night of my life for decades like my parents lol But usually he seems to be just doing his job. Here, he's into it.
Can you believe it? Two men talked on television for over 12 minutes and I, just like the audience in 1977 listened. Oh, how I long for civil discourse that enlightens.
So well put
TELL ME ABOUT IT, omg🎉😮😅
Carl commanded the room.
Hard to believe that late night talk shows were ever this good, interesting, intelligent and worthwhile. Thank you Johnny and Carl. Have we ever gotten dumb and simple.
i watch older shows on youtube not interested at all in today's tv
@@2009jadeorchid Bingo, totally agree.
Maybe we can feed all this into a future A I and hear Carl again ❤
Johnny Carson was a powerful person in the media of you had a shot to get on his show and he liked you, you were made.. No other tv host since can do that. I look back and realize how lucky I was to be born in the late 1960s and to have had such an epic childhood especially the 80s 🤘🎸
Late night shows are nothing more than political ads. I shudder to think what these assholes are being paid.
When Carl Sagan talks, I'm glued. He was very special. I could listen to him for hours.
Yes.... I believe my TV made itself .... Thanks Carl ..
I want a new house ...but I am still waiting for it to create itself ..
How long must I wait Ben ? ..1 billion years ,100 billion years ... or for all eternity .
I can't listen to idiots for a few seconds, because it makes me depressed how many idiots do listen to them, even though they are supposed to have a brain.
The ultimate public outreach guy.
@@MrMurraymanson Uhm, what?
@@MrMurraymanson Your body is not a house; the house is designed, the body has evolved. Your body bears the lowly mark of its origins in its numerous superfluous and poorly designed bits. A house, for all its defects, does not.
It has made me depressed, reading your mumbo jumbo undesirable imbecilic stupid statement. @@MrMurraymanson
Sagan was a genius and he could explain complex topics so clearly. But kudos to Carson as well, to have had an engaging conversation with Sagan.
Thank you Carl Sagan. We are so much less without him. He makes science into poetry.
That is a lovely way to phrase it.
But so much more that we had him.
We need another Carl Sagan....desperately!
Man we miss him!
Can ANYONE imagine a conversation like this one being held on ANY of the nighttime talk shows today? It's truly saddening to think of how our society has dumbed itself down in the last few decades. :o(
Full credit to Johnny Carson. I cannot imagine a night show host asking questions pertaining to scientific curiosity. Today they try to dumb down the conversation with lame jokes even if the other person is a doctor or a scientist OR they gang up to joke about politics.
Agreed, the notion of having someone of the caliber of Desmond Morris or Carl Sagan on a talk show today is unfathomable.
Brand X with Russell Brand got into some pretty interesting, intelligent conversations... but it was only on for 2 seasons in 2012-2013.
Granted that's a fair point about society, but Colbert deserves some recognition for carrying this mantle.
What do you mean? Letterman had a segment called, "Stupid Human Tricks".
An intellectual conversation in prime time on American mainstream TV. Those were the days...
The way Sagan speaks is so articulate and makes long vowel sounds. Love it.
:) he makes me think of a muppet that went to graduate school, heartwarming brillance
When Johnny imitated him in his comedic sketches, he will emphasize the long vowels even longer for fun effect.
Dr Sagan was a genius, humanity is poorer without him, a loss to Scientific enquiry and literacy.
I'm so surprised that Carson went so far into this topic of discussion, No talk show today touches on these topics in depth especially not without adding comedy to it lol
Johnny Carson had a great interest in the sciences. Especially astronomy, cosmology and anthropology.
Go Figure!!!
Johnny Carson knew who he was in the presence of to make a fool of himself. Carson also was a very deep minded individual who was so interested in many areas just like Carl Sagan.
Yep. Smartsarse is the only smarts modern hosts like to (or are capable of) present.
Yes, they would never let a scientist talk that long and that in-depth without interrupting for a stupid joke on any show today. Credit to Stephen Colbert, who clearly has a love of the sciences and brings scientists on to his show. But he's often guilty of said interruptions.
Rawkstar Jimmy Fallon’s Tonight’s Show sits on the opposite side of the spectrum compared to Johnny Carson. The show is dumbed down considerably. 🤦🏻♂️
Johnny went to the University of Nebraska-Lincoln where he graduated with a Bachelor Degree for radio/speech and a Minor in Physics.
His interest in Astronomy was legitimate, and here he was absorbed and learning from the best, the incomparable beautiful mind of Dr Carl Sagan.
LOL, late night TV is a little different today. I miss this type of program.
When there’s only 3 channels to watch and no phone or computer distraction, it wasn’t hard to have a popular show.
People like to think.
People like to laugh.
A hard day pushes people to want good hard laughs.
Yep, it's all Partisan Politics. Sickening.
Closest thing we get to science now is biologists bringing animals on shows and clownish buffoons of hosts feigning terror for cheap laughs.
Yep, what has happened is the great dumbing down of TV.
It's almost a crime to have such perfect hair and skin.
And teeth. And brains. And looks. And voice.
Oh the voice!
true this
And the heart.
and charisma
And everything like sagan
Johnny Carson is a pretty smart man to keep a conversation going with Carl like he is. So many hosts today don't know wtf theyre talking about and resort to jokes and laughter and ask completely unrelated questions. Johnny knew the kinds of questions to ask to get for his audience interesting nuggets of new information that they could consume and gnaw on.
Carson was the template for late night hosts. Intelligent, well read
the consummate pro. Miss him
@@Araconox he really worked at what he did and it wasnt just comedy. He spent his mornings reading several news papers, magazines, and kept up with current events. He seemed to also read books in what ever free time on the weekends he had.
He never seemed to dumb down for the audience nor did he try and bring comedy down. Tho some of his jokes were a bit too over folks heads.
Johnny knew when to be serious, when to include a funny remark, when to let his guest speak uninterrupted, etc. The questions and comments he made were insightful and you could tell he was really curious and not just asking for sake of the TV show.
@@GameTime-yj6qv i think thats the balance he struck. Being personally interested in what this person has to say and not just for the sake of good television. People like to see genuine interactions on the show. And i always see that when i watch his shows.
Fascinating and marvelous - and 40 years ago... why don't we have dedicated, weekly science shows, with intelligent, articulate and earthy presenters like this now...? Dr Sagan, you're sorely missed :(
He is really missed.
We were lucky to know such a real and practical place. TV with only a handful of channels was heavenly & mostly good educational tv.
How the Universe Works on the Science Channel is excellent.
Why don't we have these types of weekly scientific, intellectual shows on a mainstream source for people to consume? Because the more we know, the less we can be controlled by the system and the powers that be. The more we know, the less we can be tricked and fooled. The more we question, the more we find out the truth and realize we really are in troubled times, in a troubled system that needs to change if we want to see any sort of healthy, sustainable future ahead.
Carl Sagan in the 1970s was already talking about 'troubled times' and he was right then, it's just become even worse today. The mainstream news it not a source of real news, by and large, it is a source of soft and hard propaganda.
Our job, is to think critically and question everything, come to a common understanding about natural law and what system would be best for human prosperity? It certainly isn't market capitalism. Slavery and destruction is guaranteed in a monetary-market economy.
It is time for a new system. Don't be afraid of asking these big questions and probing to find answers.
That voice....I could listen to him read the telephone book.
Me too.
He would make the telephone book seem amazing.
"We're in perilous times." In 1977? If he only knew. I'd love to go back to 1977!
Yup 4 years later HIV was spreading around the globe.
@@imateapot51 It was already spreading at that time, Don't be so naive
In all honesty, The human condition guarantees all times to be perilous.
@@WanderingBrushArt I heard about it in 81 or very early 82. I was working in a music store and my manager played bass in a band in NYC. He told me and a woman who worked in a store next door that a bunch of young gay guys were dying of a weird cancer, The women says wow this could kill us all and I was like nah, probably nothing. She was right. It was spreading before that I agree.
1977...disco, Star Wars, quaaludes, good coke, and hairy vaginas.. sign me up!
We need Sagan now more than ever.
Log cabin, Carls not coming back. I'll keep my faith in Jesus.
This is how I got to know Carl Sagan before Cosmos. He was frequently on Carson and I loved it when he was.
Cosmos great book 💯👍👍
@@colettelane3728 Indeed. And great series.
"We are in very perilous times and I think the complex and subtle problems that we face can only have complex and subtle solutions. And we need people able to think complex and subtle thoughts..." Prescient words, dear Carl.
(7:32)
I love how Carson listens....then adds and asks useful questions.
and, how Carson holds himself as who he is, fellow interested human…
Carson did much better than Charlie Rose who interupted frequently
Johnny had an interest in astronomy. I believe Carl gifted him a telescope.
5:36 Carl Sagan describing how to answer children's questions: when he said this over 40 years ago you needed to access a library and have some knowledge of how to search for that information. This helped keep the poor and isolated ignorant, and prevented social mobility.
The internet provides instantaneous answers and further reading. There is now no reason why any child should be told not to ask stupid questions, nor for the parent make up answers when they don't know themselves.
(Unfortunately I had one parent who did this, which created much hatred when I grew older).
Such a shame the internet is being used to spread so much bullshit instead.
You could of still accessed the relevant information back then
@@tiprat5051 Not everyone could: I lived in a city and it was still a 30 min journey to the library, then I had to ask for help. Now the access to information is instant.
@@marcdavis7583 yes they could. Everyone went to school. Everyone could go to a library
@@tiprat5051 ... the salient point, IMO, is no adult ever needed to be ashamed of their ignorance. Better to admit it and direct the child to learn the answer. Join them, even, if the subject material was of interest.
There's no true context where "that's a silly question" is a valid response.
Agreed?
It's ironic to see this pragmatic appreciation for the merits of education in applied technology, juxtaposed with nostalgic remarks of "Jimmy Fallon would never have an intelligent conversation like this."
How sad that we should retreat to the safety of some vision of the past, when the future and present have so much to offer.
These kinds of interviews that are 13+ minutes long are just amazing by today's standards. We'd never have this kind of calm, considered discussion on The Tonight Show today.
Or practically anywhere else.
The principle is that they are responding to the audience. Jimmy Falllon thinks has to be quick and shallow. Because the audience will not tolerate talking/depth.
Johnny was great. he had the patience. He was willing to talk and let it breathe.
He was a master. Fallon is a celebrity douche.
Im old enough to miss both of these men. Men of mankind. Man of kind.
Sagans voice was so captivating. Glad we have recordings of him.
I think Sagan did more to further the general public's knowledge of astrophysics than anyone. His books and shows were done so that anyone could understand it. Johnny was very well read and very smart. I think Neil degrass Tyson has taken up that mantle.
Hopefully the mantle continues its succession.
K.Kampy made a very good comment.
@akhenatuh you're missing the point. he's not talking about intellectual genius and brilliance, he's talking about the genius and brilliance that it takes to convey complex and countertuitive ideas to the masses who don't have advanced astronomy and math and physics degrees. Sagan, Tyson, hawking with his brief history books, and easily the only person close to or equal or possibly slightly better than Sagan is Richard Feynman. Great teachers aren't the smartest teachers, they're the teachers who can teach and inspire concepts to the most people at the deepest level of understanding...
@James Oliver tyson has been accused of first of all. second he "groped" a shoulder looking for the rest of a tattoo he was being shown and not looking like down her dress or something pervy like that, the top of the shoulder. third the chick misinterpreted something as being an advance and even if let's pretend it was an advance, she went to his place voluntarily and when she said it became uncomfortable everything stopped. no means no doesn't make you guilty of anything if it's said to you unless you ignore it and continue.
also, Sagan invited tyson to his home when he was a high school teen. if that happened today, the Sagan would be guilty of worse than the stuff tyson is accused of. maybe creepin is what Sagan taught tyson at that meeting...
no I don't actually think Sagan did anything bad and my point was not about Sagan. he mentored tyson and the crap about tyson is crap. you're probably racist or something because it's hard to be a fan of Sagan and not see tyson in the same light.
TwistedByDesign Well stated.
"yooman beings" gotta love Carl Sagan
Noo York accent, fer ya.
When I was a teen I snuck into a convention in Washington DC to see Dr. Sagan give a talk. He was fascinating. It was one of the highlights of my life.
This is "back in the day" when television was both informative and entertaining as opposed to the amateurish dribble we see today.
The Tonight Show went down the shitter when Jay Leno took over.
And yet people were overall more ignorant then than today.
Yes, like The Three Stooges, Howdy Doody, and Marilyn Monroe movies.
Thomas Brooklyn the three stooges made short comedy films for the movie theater, not tv and started in the 1920s. Do you think that’s comparable? Hell, this episode is 1977, 43 years ago. The stooges were in their heyday 45 years before the 1977 Carson episode. In closing, that’s a really bad comparison.
@DerekFewer people are religious today in the USA and are more scientifically literate, just not most Republicans and some Liberals. The more religiosity goes up, the more ignorance goes up. Many of the ignorant make a lot of noise. The USA is also more liberal overall than back then (why they're making so much noise). Overall the world is becoming more intelligent, especially as more women have more rights. Virtually everything improves with the education of women. If you watch the news, it looks quite the opposite though. Gradual positive changes don't make the news and there are many more positive trends we never hear about.
Wow, you don't hear talk like this on late night tv anymore. Miss you Carl!
My God... Carl Sagan with a genius.. the greatest gift a teacher-parent can give is to stimulate a childs imagination.. that's when Miracles can happen
Every one has got to watch cosmos awesome
Wow. Carson was so intelligent!...now we have Fallon.
I wouldn't say so. Carl does a good job in not pointing out his ignorance too obviously. Very classy.
haha I thought it was a joke like; Oh, how far we have Fallon'.
@Allen Albright lol what? Wake up from what?
@@nobutur I get your sentiment. However Sagan and Trump are polar opposites. Personally I don't like thinking about Trump when listening to Sagan.
@@denisdaly1708 I like them both. I'm not sure what to think about that.
6:27 to 7:50 is a whole new level of genius
I love how brave Carson was. He was a superstar on television, but he always turned to sidekick when someone amazing was on. Rodney, Carl, Don Rickles. Carson had a huge ego, but always knew when to park it.
Carl had the power of perspective. He makes books sound like magic. Most people probably think of them as just a bunch of words on paper but he sees it as a way to talk to the dead. He talks about science in a way that makes it relatable.
Carson was such a cool guy. Love hearing Sagan's stories and ideas.
Always loved listening to Carl Sagan explain anything.
Dragons of Eden was fascinating. Might be one of Sagan's less popular books, but definitely worth the read.
I love reading Sagons writtings!
First I've read of his but one of my all-time favourites. The way he's able to write about complex topics and abstract them without simplifying too much, is awe-inspiring...
Carl Sagan was a great scientist. Too bad he left us too early , it feels like part of myself was taken away.
"The Dragons of Eden" is an amazing book. A precursor to "Cosmos" was "Broca's Brain," also brilliant. Oh, heck, everything Sagan wrote was incredible! He is one of my 4 all-time guests to my fantasy dinner.
I just bought it based on this interview and having recently finished A Demon-Haunted World.
Who are your other 3 guests, if you don't mind me asking?
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I always like to know people's answers to a question like this.
My 'big 4' list has changed over time, but Carl Sagan and Johnny Carson have always been my top 2.
Ironic that Carson made communication the topic of this interview. Sagan is perhaps the greatest science communicator of modern times, perhaps ever.
Allow me to suggest Noam Chomsky. He is this generation's Einstein in language and worth our admiration.
I am always humbled by this great man. I will always be grateful for your kindness to humanity and more.
Could you imagine Fallon doing this interview? Neither can I
Carl was the first person who was so extremely intelligent, and yet had the ability to explain subjects, and my interest, the cosmos, in a way that the average person could understand! If you have never read his book "Cosmos", I highly recommend his series, still available on DVD!!!
I miss Carl Sagan, his books, his TV shows... The world needs people like him
I miss both Carl and Johnny. Both were sharp and curious.
That point about information being stored outside the body totally and completely blew my mind.
What an original thought 👌
Sagan was such an extremely brilliant man. When was the last time you saw someone like this on a talk show at all, let alone with such a meaningful dive into such a topic?
Thanks for uploading this!
thanks for posting this!
Man, Carson was a beast. He could keep up with Sagan with ease, most late night host today cannot keep a deep conversation like that, they just keep spitting this talking point over an over.
A phenomenal human being ♥️ truly Carl Sagan was,is and will be one of the most amazing souls among mankind
So true about the discouraging of children to use their minds by shutting down their curiosity.
THIS is how we pave the path towards ignorance.
there is a rage against the individual nowadays the powers that be want pliable clones they want easily molded knit whits they can brainwash into obedience
I miss this guy big time when I was growing up we had nothing but this guy keeped me going his books and video's I read and watch RIP
9:30 OMG that joke!! incredible..
Wow what a treat to have these videos and to be able to remember this great man
How sad Carl died so young. What a brilliant man and gentleman.
Absolutely captivating. Carl was a true treasure.
I remember staying up late whenever he was on Carson, usually he was the last guest and got like 15 minutes. But he was ALWAYS enthralling.
Save the best for last to keep people awake rill the end od the show
1:34 You know you're smart when you right books by accident. We need another Carl!
left books
write books.
You know you are not
Carson should be a required study for modern talk show hosts. He manages to slips the odd funny line in without ever derailing the conversation.
i could listen to these gentlemen talk for a long long long time.
Carson’s questions depict his intelligence.
Who the hell needs Netflix.
Carl sagan was an excellent orator.
This interview is so great, I could watch it bbbbillions and bbbbillions of times
I could listen to Carl Sagan all day. So peaceful, intelligent, thoughtful and eager to make people better. Wish more voices were like him today.
He was a lying dingbat, is all.
Carl Sagan "The Cosmos is all that is or was or ever will be."
Carl Sagan, "I can’t imagine anyone denying the existence of the laws of nature, but I don’t know of any compelling evidence for the old man in the sky."
More from the fool, "It’s perfectly possible that the universe is infinitely old and therefore uncaused. In fact, there are detailed cosmological models that hold such a view and that are consistent with everything we know. To my mind, it seems not fully satisfactory to say that there was a first cause. That seems to postpone dealing with the problem rather than solving it. If we say “God” made the universe, then surely the next question is, “Who made God?” If we say “God” was always here, why not say the universe was always here? If we say that the question “Where did God come from?” is too tough for us poor mortals to understand, then why not say that the question of, “Where did the universe come from?” is too tough for us mortals? In what way, exactly, does the God hypothesis advance our knowledge of cosmology? What predictions does it make on which the hypothesis will stand or fall?"
from: www.uscatholic.org/articles/202001/god-and-carl-sagan-cosmos-big-enough-both-them-31939
Read the article. Have a vomit bag or trash can nearby for what a hypocritical, lying, mocking, disgusting, foolish person he was.
Now, Carl the fool NEVER can get around these laws and what the lead to...
Real science says nothing does nothing. Real science says if there was something there already it must fit with the evidence of what we know. We know the 1LT says there's a conservation of energy. It can change forms and neither can be created or destroyed. Creation cannot happen by natural means. The 2LT has various aspects, one being the universe is winding down, entropy. Usable energy is becoming less usable, so at one point usable energy was at its max. This all points to a supernatural creation, by a supernatural creator at a certain point in which matter, space and time were created. When I read how it can happen otherwise, ALL the fools resort to science-fiction. Once a supernatural creation is accepted, then the next step is finding proof of what supernatural power did it.
....yet the buffoon thinks creation happened naturally, but the idiot says, "What predictions does it make on which the hypothesis will stand or fall?" as the crap-for-brains ignores the CLEAR science that creation had to happen by God supernaturally! Still, the fool who ignores the laws farted out, "I don’t know of any compelling evidence for the old man in the sky." Notice his mocking God, "man in the sky" as if that makes him look smart as he completely ignores the evidence.
His question, "Who made God?" is as dumb as he is.
So in his way of foolish thinking, if a supernatural creator created the natural realm, then that supernatural creator who created the natural realm with its natural laws has then become also bound by those natural laws the supernatural creator created. So explain why a supernatural creator is also bound by the laws the supernatural creator created. Or, show how smart you are and just give your science for creation happening naturally and don't forget to give your science how the natural laws were created, too. If he wanted to act smart, it may be a good idea to actually show you are.
Sagan the imbecile will at some point face his Maker for his judgment of what he believed in this life. His extreme shame and regret was all his choice. He wanted to be a hypocritical bozo. Then he'll be thrown into the lake of fire. It will be his 'The End' and be remembered no more. ALL his choice and for others who follow that fool.
I totally agree, his voice was poetic, soothing just music to my ears. I love Finding interviews like this and lectures he gave to students.
Wish GPS had the 'Carl Sagan' voice option.
Carl Sagan ❤
I'm strung out on watching Carl sagan videos. I do be in awe listening to him. He was taken far too early from us.
Sagan is very captivating..his voice is soothing and coupled with his intelligence and the way he disperses it is truly wonderful. Hooked from start to finish . R I P CARL
Loved listening to his unique way of speaking.
This is the best TED Talk I have ever seen.
I've always loved listening to Carl Sagan but should also say I was very impressed by Carson. He asked the right intelligent questions and made the occassional joke but without in any way diminishing the importance of what Sagan says unlike a lot of modern talk show hosts interviewing scientists.
There is something mesmerising about this wonderful man
I love Carl's voice, so soothing.
I've never listened to this entire interview but wow what a fantastic conversation
what a fantastic nice person with such old fashioned charm and love for others love carl sagan
I am amazed at the level of the questions. Very rare to find such interviewers these days.
what an amazing man...
I love it when he says 'yooman'
Two intelligent men having an intelligent conversation. Damn I miss the old days.
I am sure i am not the only one who has watched the same Carl sagan interview 2 times or more,
One of the true great minds...
What a pleasure to see Carl Sagan when he was young and his impressive voice and conversation with Johnny Carson. Wonderful. Carl is one of my iconic characters that taught me a lot by his tv Cosmos series and great books, such as The Pale Blue Dot. When he died, I was so saddened I told my kids (then) and wife, "I would have gladly offered myself to die, instead of him". So much knowledge and wisdom was lost by his early death!
He reminds me so much of my friend Jon. Even talks like him. RIP Mr. Sagan. RIP Jon.
Carl Sagan The Great.
Oh how we could use your intellect and ability to communicate today Carl!!
The way he speaks is like no other human i have listened to. and johhny is keeping up at an astounding rate. what a video
Fascinating exchange between two people who can relate to others like very few ever could
amazing man
I like how Carl gets down to business and can start talking & elaborating.
He was my hero.
Thank God Carson was somewhat scientifically literate. Unlike the late night hosts you see now.
I would say Stephen Colbert is one such host we have currently.
reiwell del W O R D
@James Oliver no, Colbert is very smart and kind of a geek.
Colbert?
Stephen Colbert comes close.
Can you see Kimmel or Fallon doing such an interview?? Watched Carl Sagan's series "Cosmos" when it first aired on public TV in 1980, by far the best documentary I have ever watched. His calming voice added so much to the show.
Also enjoyed the quietness of the audience.
We miss you, Sir. Rest in peace !
❤️His voice is Insanely Captivating and the way he puts his ideas in front of us is truly Alluring.❤️
Dude went to university at 16 years old, and his first wife Lynn Margulis, co creator of the Gaia Hypothesis went to university at 15, these folks were damn brilliant, I mean, they were in masters programs by time they were 19 or 20.
I love him so much :')
We could use some Carl Sagan clones.
Life Mission Unlocked: Figuring out how to clone Carl Sagan
@@wheres_wolfie Faolan said "it's Carl I want to save, with her speed greater than EM waves, so she set out one day, in a relative way, and now we all have Carl from 50 years ago to this day...
yessss very much, beauty can not die
Neil Degrasse Tyson
Tyson is the Kardashian of science.
one of the only interviews I've seen with Carson where he is authentically interested as well as thoroughly enjoying the guest. Im 30 so ive been watching Carson on CZcams. So I haven't seen it every night of my life for decades like my parents lol But usually he seems to be just doing his job. Here, he's into it.
carl and carson, two great brains.