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The Horus Heresy saw the largest Space Marine vs Space Marine conflict in all of 40k - but how many Astartes actually fell in battle?
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The emperors children were decimated during the great crusade
And the 6th did have a successor chapter just one, didn't go so well.
1,2 Million Space Marines, put in to 1,200 Chapters.
And the Ultra Smurfs have like 500 or so successor chapters.......
Wtf happend here? They probably only had like 125k to 135k of Space Marines left, how zhe fucc did zhey got soooo many successors?!??
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Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
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The Alpha Legion has 2 Primarchs to provide Gene Seed, stable Gene Seed, relied on sabotage,... Logically speaking they should be the largest legion pre Heresy
They also stole the proto-primaris data from Corax for themselves, which allowed them to replenish their number faster
Yeah but they had one loyal primark and one traitor one that got killed by our boy dorn and the stolen stuff was stolen by the loyal one
Don’t forget the Alpha Legion are not as good as other legions in combat. Remember the story about when Alpha Legion encountered their first Primaris marines, 30 Alpha Legionnaires were nearly wiped out by a squad of Imperial Fist primaris before they wiped them out.
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_ True but I am talking about pre Heresy, they still have 2 Primarchs. So they would be the biggest legion
_ Post Heresy they still have 1 uncorrupted Primarch from whom they can produce stable Gene Seed from(this is much better than a lot of Traitor Legions). And that Primarch is the one that kept the stolen stuff
@@aokhoinguyenang3992don't forget that they also were the only legion where their Primark was never flung through the warp, so theoretically they could be one of the legions that actually has been built for over 20 years extra on the others
Every time MajorKill says “the Iron Cage” I miss that episode with TTS Rogal Dorn.
“I have fortified the dog house.”
I will never forgive GW for causing TTS Emperor to end
I rewatch TTS every year. I thought it might get old but the fact that they even tried to tie up loose ends before GW put a stop to them makes it a joy to watch without ever feeling stale.
It's like rewatching Lord of the rings.
Really great series. It's a shame what happened to TTS.
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@@shockwave.9749Same for our Boy who created Astartes
Those were the days 😢❤
With the Loyalist Legions suffering massive casualties, I see why Roboute Guilliman made the Codex Astartes where they managed to rebuild in manageable numbers and strength post-Horus Heresy.
Also reduce large scale battles
Let the Guard do most of the fighting and dying
Also there was peaceful time for a thousand year of peace post grand scoring minus first black crusade that caused Dorn went MIA and then there was war of the beast.
@@christiandauz3742were the guard doing the fighting pre heresy? I always thought that it was legion vs legion because the guard couldn't do much in the heresy but I haven't read the Horus books yet haha. What was the guard even doing?
@@Sylvester4571 The guard as we know it didn't exist their predecessors in the Imperial Army did tho, I always assumed they weren't mention as much because the story was very much focused on the Primarchs and the astartes. Like they were there but very limited mentions of them fighting outside of a few named minor characters we see interact with marines, custodes and primarchs like Konas Burr with the Khan etc.
"Muh Codex" lol just messing with ya Brother
Video idea
What if Abaddon died during the Siege of Terra? What would happen to the Sons of Horus?
Prob would just get killed entirely by the other traitor legions and loyalist legions
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They will ! & you can guarantee Corvus is going to have not only revenge but the craziest epic but oh so sweet battle against Lorgar and all his sons and probably coming after another primarch as well
I imagine Fabius Horus clone would take over... what happens after that I have no idea.
Abaddon dying at the siege would have been infinitely less stupid then Erebus just popping up out of no where and shanking Garviel Loken in the back for the sake of moving along the story 😂
I was always surprised that the Traitors had ANY Astartes left by the time they got to Terra. Through the Purges, Dropsite Massacre, Shadow Crusade, Solar War and the numerous battles on the way they should have been down barely any left. Istvaan V alone should have dramatically reduced their numbers.
×EDIT× - Did mean III and not V. My mistake. Lump the 2 battles together though and the SOH, EC, WE and DG lost a LOT of Astartes - plus the 3 Loyalists on V being virtually wiped out that's 7 Legions getting their shit pushed in. WE then went on the Shadow Crusade with the WB which would have reduced their numbers dramatically. There should have only been a few thousand of those mad bastards left by the time they got to Terra.
The Inductii are your answer
Very rapid recruitment low key saved both the loyalists and traitors.
Don't forget the plot armor. Can't forget the plot armor.
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They also had larger legions at the start of the heresy because they had planned for the coming war. Like the word bearers
One quote I love is from The End and the Death Vol. 1: "Whatever else this endless day is, it is the end of the Astartes as anything more than elite strike troops. They will never be pre-eminent and numberless again." I just think its a great quote to establish the difference for Space Marine use between 30k and 40k
The way Perturabo treats the other traitor legions always puts a smile on my face
Traitor Marines: That’s friendly fire!!!
Pete Turbo: lmao. I have no friends.
If he wasn’t such a insufferable manchild I’d like him.
Him fucking off of Terra during the siege, because he found it petty shit to fight on the side of daemons and doing basically all the work while the rest was busy butchering, torturing and other stuff to the populous, is still just amazing to me. 😅
@@Attacian I really want to like him and in some books like The Lost and the Damned I do but then in the next book by another author he is just soooo insufferable. It is really hard to like characters in Warhammer outside of head cannon because they can vary so extremely from author to author :/
@@Attacianhe ignored all of that and was focused on breaking through dorn’s walls once he did he left so he can try defence and dorn can go offence to prove he was the superior siege master it’s funny how if he stayed Horus might’ve won
this is why he had to be traitor, to increase traitor casualties, if only he could cooperate with his loyalist brothers.
May the Raven Guard have their vengeance!
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@@fy3korCorax Wrapping on Lorgars Bedroom door.
Victorus aut Mortis!
"How many space marines died during the Horus Heresy? NOT ENOUGH" (c) some unnamed Custodian
It's easy for the Ultramarines to have such great numbers when they absorbed two entire "lost" legions
They didn't. ADB stated that he wrote that passage as two astartes gossiping about a rumour that wasn't actually true.
@@SuperSteelyGlintJust because its gossip doesn't make it immediately untrue.
@@honestlordcommissarbrighte7921I doubt the other legions would have been best pleased allowing 2 entire legions to be merged with the already overpowered Ultramarines tbh...
My head cannon is those forces from the 2 expunged(lost) legions that were not beyond redemption in some way. Were spread across all the legions...only thing that would make sense.
Otherwise we would have heard a fckton more bitching, moaning and whinging from the other primarchs.
The Fist and the White Scars rapidly increase their numbers before the siege. They recruited men from nearby planets to bolster their numbers. Many of the Fist and Scars at the siege were Astartes for less than a 2 year.
Interesting. Where did you read that
You know, it might be fun, if not already a video I just missed, to see how the CSMs actually recoup losses? It takes a certain kind of man to survive gene-seed implantation, and certain resources, yet the gene-seed of many Chaos Marines must be slag in their bodies, now, even though that's what makes them Space Marines, and none of their Legions seem calm, and level enough to be dedicated crafting replacement/subsequent gear of a level needed to be a Space Marine. How do they find bodies, while raiding planets weak enough to crush, and then gene-seed that is like theirs, and gear that wasn't just waiting for the last gut to die, to be foisted off upon his replacement? How do Chaos Marines make more Chaos Marines?
It's also weird that Chaos doesn't more often press their strengths. They basically exist in a bastion their enemies can't engage them in, all while those enemies have umpteen other distractions. Since time is weird, in the Warp, one might think that they'd spend whatever time they need, build a HUGE force, and cough it out RELATIVE TO THE IMPERIUM, where it would then steamroll them. They can also just cough out swathes of Daemons anywhere, even on Holy Terra, if Khorne feels like it, so apart from the old jewelry "that's not the victory Chaos actually wants", it's weird that victory has eluded them, unless their "gods" are a lot more limited than they'd like us to know.😊
You have a point for Chaos using the Warp's weird time to their advantage, but Chaos cannot just spit out demons anywhere. That's because the Emperor is preventing them from doing so. When Korne spat out his hordes on Terra in the battle of the Lion's Gate, the Emperor was knocked out by the psychic backlash caused by the opening of the Great Rift.
Like all chaos forces - from thin air. There is no other explanation how Eye of terror has so much troops and ships that can fight all over the Galaxy against literally everyone and everywhere.
Dark mechanicum, there are Forgeworlds in the Eye as well.
Black Sky, Dead Sun is an Ultramarines novel that shows how the Iron Warriors replenish their numbers in the warp. It's a grim process. The novel also introduced the demonculaba.
Don't forget like orks they're constantly fighting each other, even if one builds a huge force the other 3 will gang up on them, and even undivided are constantly back stabbing each other, as for the CSM recoup losses its complicated, they steal stable gene seed or corrupt new marines, otherwise I imagine the gods bring them back from death like Khorne did with tuska daemon-killa, plus you have to keep in mind Tzeentch is the one who instigates the undivided alliance whenever they work together but he explicitly doesn't want chaos to win, at the very least steamroll.
The Space Wolves probably had anout 12,000 left at the end, since their deal with Guiliman was to have each of the 12 Great Companies operate as a quasi-independent chapter equivalent of 1000 each. They then proceeded to ignore the rules and not make them independent, thus why the Space Wolves are Black Templar sized with around 10-12k marines at any given time
Which does not stop them from not getting updates.
The idea that the Dark Angels lost only 10-20% is ridiculous. Assuming fairly minimal casualties in the Thramas Crusade - something that seems unlikely, when Master Belath tells Luther of "many battles and many slain brothers" - the Lion gave Corswain "half" the legion to persecute the war against Typhon, and Corswain sustained heavy losses. This is before the stand on Terra, and not counting any losses the Lions forces took securing Ultramar against the Shadow Crusade, or traversing the Ruinstorm, or bringing his Crusade of Wrath to the traitors homeworlds.
The only way to mitigate the losses are to count the 60,000 recruits from Caliban... whose loyalty is questionable... and the assumption that the I Legion would have drawn on the resources of Ultramar during Imperium Secundus
Here's some to consider:
What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them? (Assume that Vulkan was never found by the Imperium, maybe he was lost in the Warp, maybe the DE got a hold of him, maybe he’s in Trazyn’s galleries, etc). The important thing is, what if no Primarchs?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
Video idea:
What would be the patron gods of loyalists primarchs if they turned traitor?
Sanguinius is obviously Khorne.
@@vanderwallstronghold8905slaanesh,nurgle and tzeench: [redacted] you khorne!!!
A video on if magnus took the emperors replacement replacement would be dope. It'd be fun to see how the grey knights being a part of the crusade early would impact things
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You forgot about the losses of the emperor's children during the siege of Terra
In saturnine they lost about 18 thousand fighters there on the wall , according to Rogal
Its good to remember that the legions were mass recuriting marines during the heresy so in some cases like the ultramarines they likey had more marines at the end of the heresy than at the start
I think it’s interesting to look at recruit of new marines during the heresy. People talk a lot about pre Hersey numbers but legions recruited during the war likely to a greater extent then pre. The ultramarines were so big by the end not only because they were big at the start but they were making more marines then any other legion. The sons of Horus were said to have recruited a lot (mentioned in the video) and the imperial fists were also mentioned to have recruited a lot even recruiting thousands of troops on occupied Cithonia
Dude that pre heresy word bearers art is maybe the best i have seen. So sick
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
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Bud we all love your determination but he covered that nearly a year ago.
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A video on the imperial palace would be sick, there’s a shed load to cover and it’s not really covered yet
Funnily enough, there are still Sons of Horus still around in the current setting. They are known as the Thrice-Cursed Traitors and are made up of all the Sons of Horus that have rejected Abaddon and the Black Legion, remaining true to Horus' memory or rejecting all masters. Only like four of them were given names and Abaddon forcibly absorbed two them as well as other nameless ones because he wants his brothers under his command but warbands like the True Sons and the Wolves of Horus are still around, keeping the Sons of Horus alive past Abaddon's creation of the Black Legion
If you look at recruitment and desertion, technically the Iron Warriors had the most and least damage. Given that over a third of the Iron Warriors deserted at the time of the Horus Hersey since they were gathered 5-20 marines to hold positions on conquered planets in small pockets. They were mostly loyal to the emperor.
The traitor forces also had one of the highest turn over rates, if vat grown clones are counted. If you do count vat grown clones as marines, they easily reach a million marines in causalities. The reason that they were seemingly unaffected is that they replaced their numbers far faster than the other legions with their for the most part uncorrupt geneseed. Also the loyalists joined up with the shattered legions, but I am not sure if count their deaths as Iron warriors or Shattered legions.
Video idea. What if the necrons had awakened during the great crusade or at the start of the Horus Heresy
2 video ideas
What if the Fall of Cadia fell occurred?
What if The Imperium, the Eldar and Tau Empire joined an alliance against the Orks, Chaos and Tyranids?
You got a typo there, pretty sure you meant if the fall of cadia didnt happen, well depending on a lot of factors, either maintaining the status quo whitch would be bad cuz the imperium would be fuked, or turn into a complete stomp that kills abbadon,the Blackstone fortress is recovered and thus can be traded to our pokeball master necron for some spicy tech or used by imperium to get an even stronger foothold,meaning that the imperium could potentially avoid the slowly dying part. All in all tho thanks to the primarchs coming back its actually a good thing it happened cuz it also gave the emperor a power boost to actually do stuff more coherently.
Also if the imperium joined forces with the t'au and eldar whicth is very unlikely it wouldnt do a whole lot other than maybe improving planetary defense forces and giving the guard better equipment cuz you have to remember that chaos,orcs and nids are attacking arlcoss the galaxy and the eldar and t'au are very small în numbers and thus wouldnt do much other than I some important fights. Orcs could maybe be taken out if they manage to destroy ghazskull along his waaaagh on Armageddon witch is where most orcs are în the curent setting witch would open up the production of the world, manpower and allow them to focus on the remaining orks , then chaos and nids. For the chaos and nids you cant really do a whole lot since like I sau they attack across the galaxy tho if the necrons help out with the nids in this speculative scenario then I could see them winning the setting. Tho only after they Unite one last time to defeat the necrons since they would inevitably fight.
What if the Emperor wasn’t able to reach Nuceria in time to prevent Angron dying from the High Riders? How would having one less available Primarch affect the heresy with more lopsided sides?
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
"... back to pre-heresy numbers" But half are fighting for the other side. Really brings home how little the empire managed to grow or develop after emps got put on the golden potty.
It always breaks my heart as a salamanders fan hearing the sheer amount of losses they took.
The Iron Hands only had their Morlocks at Istvan.
there is a huge hole in these; i mean with the recruitment off chaos astarte; its not just a question off geneseed and stuff but also training, experience, understanding and extremely wellread on tactic and war etc. which takes time to get
One of the most interesting videos on the channel, thanks Majorkill 🙂 appreciate the time you spend trying to figure out those numbers, for sure it was hard and time consuming process🙏🧐
Also, the Blood Angels have one of the fastest, if not the fastest rebuilding of their own numbers, resulting in new, but already veteran marines in a very short time.
Don’t forget that the imperial fists were killed to a man in either the first or second war for Armageddon and had to be rebuilt from the successor chapters etc. I think it had happened a couple times I believe? Plus there is the issue of their chapter masters constantly dying since they keep getting a new one with each codex. I think Valrak was even mentioned as being a chapter master at one point.
it was the war of the beast ffs. if you aren't sure about something, it's literally a google away.
uperb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions
A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.
Day 43: What if Omegon returned to the setting. What would happen?, how would Guilliman and The Lion react?. Would be a pretty cool video idea.
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Attempt number 76: what if the Primarchs were found in order of their creation.
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A video on comparing the devastation of baal to the rest of the entire tyrranic war would be funny because the numbers are insane in difference
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The majority of the Iron Hands legion didn't make the Drop Site massacre according to the Lore, so it wouldn't be possible that they lost 85% of their number there.
This is exactly what type of content I like keep it up
Please make a vid about Tau Navy and their battles. The Exodite show got me interested in it.
So many Space Marines dying from fighting each other because of the Man-Emperor of Mankind's poor parenting and communication with the Primarchs.
We got a HERETIC over here!!!!
Nah, just playin. He really bucked up by not just properly explaining things.
He wouldve had a loyal Angron if he would've just killed their captors.
Major produces the best video to watch from the lavatory
Its said if Terra had a third more defenders at the point Horus died they would have killed every last Traitor in the Solar system
all these lore vids are cool and all but i want a vid on one of the biggest questions in the verse: how does a space marine do a nr1 or nr2 when fully armored? make it happen majorkill. vid or short i don't care.
Im really sad you said that emperors children didnt get heavy losses as reminder 20k died in the battle of saturnine
more important than the rate of attrition the legions had to face was the ability to replace losses with combat ready forces as well as the swiftness of their deployment in the field. the success of powerful legions also depends on their recruiting bases, armory production and supply lines.
can have the highest casualty rates in the galaxy, if a unit is still well managed during deployment, they remain functional. ultramarines and iron warriors are the best example for handling high casualty rates due to their stability.
Hey majorkill who would win the full host of the custodes or the 1000 odd chapters of the space marines
I'm actually really surprised how few space marines there are given the obscene populations of some 40k worlds.
I read some of the larger hive worlds have a quadrillion + people on them. If they could mobilize 10% of that (less than major powers in ww2), then they would outnumber all the space marines in the galaxy something like 50,000 - 100,000 to 1. That's just 1 world, so just seems obscenely low to me
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To me those numbers seem way to small, I always add a few extra zeros to any 30K/40k war, raid, or skirmish because it just makes more sense, since it didn't work that the total Space Marine casualties of the Horus Heresy were less than the total civilian and military casualties of World War 2
I've heard one of the deleted Legions' Marines were subsumed into the Ultras, which may explain why they were so numerous.
How about a video of what the Imperium would look like if the traitors had won the heresy without falling to Chaos? What would they have done afterwards and how would they have remade the Imperium?
Emperor's Children seem to be the legion who most benefit not falling to Chaos. They were useless after everyone was on the space co-co and silk sheets. Angron straight up dies without Chaos because of the Nails, Thousand Sons all go into the flesh change quicker, Deathguard become easier to kill. Horus definitely wouldn't have the juice to take out Sanguinius let alone the Emperor.
What if the emperor wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods
Why did he discourage Lorgar then? I mean, it did end up with Lorgar's book being turned into the Imperial Cult (ironically), but it feels like Emps did everything in his power to discourage that...
@A407RAC I think this was a hypothetical question rather than a theory on lore
No seriously because it's not needed to play 7d chess all the time and that's an overdoing it ass complicated theory
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Im reading Deliverance Lost right now. The Raven Guard has found the place where the Emperor made the Primarks and the a space marines and they have just taken the technology back to Deliverance. Alpharious has I filter aged and he is there too mixed in with the Raven Guard.
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The dark angels had a total of 180k marines at the start of the heresy, the dark angels were scattered around the galaxy thanks to horus ordering them away. The lion came to ultramar with roughly 20k to 30k marines. Corswain would have a similar amount with him but only got to terra with 10k marines. There were also roughly 40k dark angels in caliban. The blood angels had 120k , the ultramarines had roughly 116k killed at calth and another 28k crippled. That left the ultrmarines with little over 110k marines after calth, with 30k of those marines staying behind on calth.
The Salamanders are so cool and the most human Space Marines, it's sad they got wrecked so bad even in the current setting they probably only have 1,100 Marines in the chapter because of Primaris additions. The Night Lords and World Eaters are my favorite Traitor Legions because in a way it is easy to understand why they turned traitor. The Night Lords were a bunch of killers, murders, and sadists before the Heresy and had have stayed true to what they were before the Heresy, plus the best Chaos Space Marine Omnibus. The World Eaters are what you see is what you get and Angron had the best reason to turn traitor. It is still crazy how brutal the Horus Heresy was and how many Legions were broken during and have the Heresy.
Remember guys that the Legions still were recruiting or making Inductiae. So a lot more Astartes died than even the apparent numbers pre and post heresy show.
First we need to know how many each legion had. We know that a few were pretty much wiped out we also know that the Word Bearers were secretly making far more the others.
Should have looked at second founding more for numbies
The Emperors children lost 18,000 marines in the battle for the saturine gate during the siege of terra, as stated in the book 'Saturnine'
Can u make a video on a new created successor chapters training and early battles.
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On a side note part of why the Blood Angels were probably able to rebuild as much as they did was likely due to how easily their geneseed was able to use because well mutant and cancerous dregs can work.
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Great video Majorkill!
How different do you think the setting would be, and what would be different if slaanesh's birth had been stopped, or they had been killed immediately after being born?
@@JerrybutTaller imo nothing would change. Slaneshi daemons existed before the birth of Slanesh because of the Warp transcending time. GW would still probably introduce a Slanesh, but from another time.
Majorkill I’m pretty sure Ferrus Manus took only a fraction of his full legion to Istvaan. 85% loss seems a bit extreme for the Iron Hands.
Nah they were nearly wiped out and sidelined for the entire heresy
also the ultramarines had one of the best recruitment processes so recouping losses were easier for them😊
Can we get a video detailing the scouring more?
RULE FOR YOU! If you are doing anything with battles for Warhammer 40k please apply the zero rule. It makes everything far more realistic. Legions only having 200,000 soldiers is ridiculously small for policing a planet. But 2,000,000 Marines is far better and creates a greater sense of scale.
Wait...the iron hands were mentioned in a previous video of yours to have lost the most space marines at istavaan due to their hot headed actions of not wanting to retreat because of their primarch almost wiping them out. No way they escaped with more than the salamanders or raven guard
Video idea: what if the Silent King and the Imperium team up
Do space marines with most aura points
The emperors children lost 18000 in one battle during the saturnine gambit
So back when the emperor was able bodied did he undergo the same mods as the custodes or was he 100% natural?
Winning against the night lords is like winning a bronze prize, tough but change of winning is better then the gold of silver
Never understood why the legions weren't bigger than they actually were. There are trillions upon trillions of humans, even 1% of that number is potentially insane amounts of potential space marines, even with casualties
I think the legion numbers make sense with how many resources it takes to make space marines. Where GW gets the numbers terribly wrong is the guard. If you add a zero to the number of guardsmen in almost any battle, it makes more sense. There should be tens of millions of gaurdsmen involved in any large battle or siege.
Logistical issues maybe? This Was the early Imperium where they were conquering planets and only starting to set up their industrial and logistical systems. There were definitely limits on how fast they could produce everything that Astartes needed including the production of geneseed. The fact that they had to go through Mechanicus for all that probably didn't make things easier.
Yeah, GW is always bad with numbers.
Maybe it's because Primarch/legion bias for recruitment worlds, some had dozens or more, and some only did their homeworlds leading to smaller numbers in terms of recruitment.
The empowers children lost about 20000 in one battle during the events of the book saturnine
I love that in a decades long war with tanks, titans and orbital bombardment a bunch of dudes running in to stab each other took less casualties that Russia took defending 2 cities for like a year. Seriously, they should’ve added another 0 to that. Probably two 0s.
Are any of the Alpha legion still in status under the Palace? 🤔
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It would be interesting to know a rough estimate of how many first founding Marines are still alive in M42.
I think he did that video with the oldest non-perpetual characters in 40k. Only Bjorn the Fellhanded is alive from the loyalists, who fought in the Heresy, but he's a Dreadnought. There's plenty of named characters from the traitor side, but time is meaningless when living in the Warp.
I have a problem with the 9th legion, didn't all of them fall into the Black rage after 😢 (I can't)
And wasn't Mefiston the first and only to ever recover from it? How did they recover and found new characters from 0 normal marines left?
I don’t think you took Beta Garmon into your account. Sure it was a larger fight for the mechanicum and imperial army but there was huge losses for BA and WS documented
A single conversation with his sons would've prevented all this. Talk to your kids, people.
Great video, it’s always good to get some perspective when you’re dozens of books deep and wondering how the fuck all these brutal engagements are effecting the overall war.
of the 10,000 custodes the emperor had lost like 9,000 in the war for the webway and another like 990 during the horus heresy.
A handful were with coral as well
Did he ever do a vid about the chronological order of the HH?
The Iron Cage reminds me; I would love to see an episode of the dumbest stuff otherwise decently smart primarchs did.