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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- Mötley Crüe have once again been hit by claims of fakery - this time over Esteemed guitarist and friend John 5's alleged air guitar technique. He says it's simply not true and if he says that, I believe him.
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Will you address the fake news that Vince Neil can still sing?
😂he's so awful 🤦♂️
that just makes me sad.
That's the proof right there. If they were faking it, Vince wouldn't sound like that.
I can. Nope.
No one dispels that
Regular Burt Reynolds pose that 🙂
Best comment ever! 😂
@@sooticablue1664 😅☺
Also known as the I want to lay down, but still want to stay awake (by having both feet on the floor) pose. 😂
@@DanielThureskog 😂😂😂
Hasselhoff
There’s a lot of processing with some of these setups. A long time ago, Zakk jumped off stage at an Ozzy concert, ran barefoot to the arena cheap seats where I was, and from 15 feet away under a spotlight, I couldn’t match his hands to the sound coming out of the PA at all. It was unreal delay. Like almost a second. Or maybe just that long to get through all of the effects.
This case is fakery
That was latency due to the distance from his equipment, nothing to do with effects, the further you are away from the stage, the worse it is, he doesn't use that many effects anyway
@@MickH60 That's what I was going to suggest. Another thing is he was probably wearing in ear monitors which means he is hearing the sound and playing in time with the rest of the group no matter how far he is. You were probably seeing what you were about to hear a second later.
@@scotthicks1795
One thing everyone seems to be missing even though the guy mentioned it in the video is that John missed the downstroke. The Chord is heard BEFORE his hand strums. It's NOT the hammer off part. It's the strummed chord I hear that is not being strummed. John strums it off timing.
So first I hear the strummed chord then John hand strums.
That's not "delay" (as in: an effect, plugged in - or whatever), that is the natural delay/time-lag, from: how much longer it takes sound from the P.A. to reach YOUR ears (at the far end ...or anywhere further away, of an arena ...stadium ...even theatres).
I am sure many fans never pay attention to this, however: sound takes time to travel.
If you are further away from the stage, it takes milliseconds to seconds longer to reach your ear-holes than it would where it NEEDS to be immediate!: Where the band is playing (so that they can respond to one-another and "be on the same page," constantly.).
Yes, OBVIOUSLY, artists use: "in-line," added, digital (and maybe, even, analog) delays and other "time-based," sound alterations (flanging, phasing, "chorus"), however:
in essence, these are all modifications of: what happens to sound as it travels through a large space.
"Delay" is considered: discrete (and can create "loops" & other repeating oscillations), but all it is, really, is: a modifiable, controllable version of: reverberation [more commonly referred to by it's truncated form: "reverb"].
...The further you are from a sound source, particularly, in an enclosed space (but: effectively: ANYwhere), the more delay a listener will notice between: actions they can visually see & which they know are acting to CREATE the sound
and: aurally encountering that (expected) sound.
Why do you think that (for decades now, at least!): in vast stadium shows, you see: more than one set of P.A. speakers??
There are often more sets of mix speakers, sending sound to the areas further away from the stage, to make the concertgoing experience "more immediate" for the fans in "the cheap seats." ...and so people won't get fooled by their own ears vs. eyes (esp., nowadays, with massive broadcast screens -so, if you're NOT down on the floor 🤦🤦🤷 ...you, basically, paid $170 to watch TV in a stadium! ) and, incorrectly, think that "they're being cheated"🙄🤦
...if you're in the back of the stadium (even with "no-one" else, there, yet!), the sound will take longer to reach you, by a noticeable amount of time!!
(It's also why: the F.O.H. board is at the location it is - that is, generally, at a point before where the first noticable delay begins to happen (from the stage to the body of the venue)!!)
SOUND in vast space?? = delay.
Just understand that.
I saw John5 at Shank Hall in Milwaukee which can only seat 300 so no matter where you are sitting, you could REALLY see exactly what he was playing. I assure you that he can, in fact, perform such wizardry.
He is a great guitarist, I was a HUGE fan. Now I lost a lot of respect for him, he is FOR SURE playing to a backing track, it isn't even a question. Id much rather see him without Crue, it would be MUCH better,
@@ChazinFl1 Bullsh1t, there is a backing track for sure, everyone uses them, but it hasn't got anything to do with him , go educate yourself and stop speaking rubbish....
I saw him in Lebanon New Hampshire with Jarrod James Nichols. What a killer show! I was 10 feet away from John 5 for a good portion of the show. I was gobsmacked. Great player and performer. I have tickets to see him there again in September. My 9 year old daughter will be with me this time, she has been manipulating guitar since she was 6.
That’s not the problem with modern Motley Crue. It’s that squawking nonsense that Vince calls singing. What a travesty.
By Modern, you mean after 1990?
John 5 uses enough compression that he could easily hammer a whole Motley Crue song with one hand🤣🤣this is a lot of to do do over nothing
@@8thouseson
He missed the downstroke, not the hammer on, then air guitars the downstroke.
On the physical downstroke no chord is heard.
Plus the sound of those chords are strummed with a pick. You car hear the the string sequence.
Pretty obvious.
he's a victim of making it look too easy. that is what years and years of practice gets you. not to mention natural talent
Agreed totally.
That is so real, too. Like, I'm pretty sure some guy hating on one of my videos thought I was finger sync'ing or something
I think he plays too perfect when he plays motley it feels like it has no bite maybe it's over compressed? I dunno but it's perfect but bland
John 5 isn't faking it not so shore about the others
I don't think he fakes it I think he plays it too perfect there is nothing he can't do with a guitar
Vince Neil has been taking singing lessons from Yoko Ono.
If john5 uses any backing tracks .. (rhythm guitar during solos for instance) it certainly isn't about talent. He is more than capable, so whatever he's using it isn't to avoid playing.
Anybody been watching John 5 knows he doesn't need a backing track... doesn't mean he can't use one though... but never doubt his skill
Your wordplay with the double negatives is brilliant.
It wouldn't surprise me if John5 actually pre-played the entire concert in his mind during a nap before the show and then just telekinetically beamed his dream vibrations straight onto the strings while simultaneously transcribing 70's Hee-Haw banjo radio waves reflecting off of Kuiper Belt Asteroids ... He's just that good!
@@halphillips1775
He travelled to the future to play that missed downstroke,
John 5 is good enough to chord with his left hand between strums. Have people watched him play other things?
The chord I hear is strummed with a pick and he missed the downstroke.
John 5 is awesome but he clearly is playing to a track.
@@TheAgentAssassin Again, that's got NOTHING to do with what he's playing, he also flicks the strings with his fretting hand, so no pick stroke, these things have been done for as long as I can remember....
Sure. And even with no hands at all
@@TheAgentAssassin Play his demonstration back at .25 speed you can see he's quickly sounding the notes with his left hand while he does the pick-toss no downstroke required. J5 is such a band geek autist type musician he would admit without hesitation if he was using tracks. He's just so technically good he can do things people can't comprehend, his autist mind doesn't get that so his explanation falls flat.
@@TheAgentAssassin This, that doesn't sound like a hammer on at all
He was playing, he hit it on an upstroke as he walked out of frame!
03:04 chord already played and he didn't hit the upstroke yet , and when he does hit the upstroke and quickly downstrokes which is faster time than the actual lick
@@TheAgentAssassin Give up mate, these tricks have been done since guys like Van Halen turned guitar playing into a sport..... All you're saying is you don't know what you're talking about because you obviously can't do it.... Most bands I've seen since the 1970's use some sort of backing tracks, ALL albums do, so they use them live to fill out the sound, always have.... I could literally fill this page with examples....
Yeah I’ve watched it and it looks like he hits the chord on the upstroke and then does the little pick flip move and if you know how to play guitar that riff lends itself to that kind of stuff it’s hammer ons and pull offs and open strings. I think most people who are up in arms about it probably aren’t guitar players or they don’t realize just how good and how slick players like John 5 are. Motley Crue songs is like him playing in beginner or amateur mode in a video game. I’m not saying Motley Crue songs suck or anything, they just aren’t going to be a technical challenge for someone like John.
John has said it’s a hammer on chord…
He said " pull offs" 😂thanks for that, Beavis, I mean Justin
Classic
There's a difference between using backing tracks to enhance the sound and using them because you forgot how to play some songs and you don't feel like learning them or because you want to jump around and focus on other things but your instrument.
On the records, when there's a guitar solo, the rhythm guitar keeps playing. When they played live, before using backing tracks, when Mick played a solo, you only heard the bass guitar underneath his solo, which left like a "hole" in the overall sound. To avoid that, you either need a 2nd guitar player or you use backing tracks. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with using backing tracks in this case.
What I don't like is what Nikki seems to be doing. Don't get me wrong, I used to have posters of Nikki Sixx in my bedroom, I bought 2 of his books, etc... but there are videos where you can see him stop playing for a second but you can clearly still hear the bass. In this case, it's not to enhance the sound but it's Nikki who doesn't want the responsibility of playing the bass correctly, not willing to make possible mistakes or he just wants to be on stage and ....be present.
I've seen John 5 a few times up close. He doesn't need both hands to play.
when i was running live sound, it seemed like the bigger the band, the more likely they were to use backing tracks. some local bands were almost 80% backing tracks and most of the work was in getting good in ear mixes so they could play along in time or at least pretend to. crue have had this said about em enough and NDA's are pretty hardcore in that realm that i wouldnt be surprised at all if he had no choice and it got handed down from management.
In The Darkness you even do your own stunts!
John is playing to a rhythm track. There is no doubt about it. I'm not talking about the pull off, etc
" I'm not talking about the pull off, etc" well, that's good, because you do realize a rhythm track is a backing track purely for percussion? Which, given the more obvious evidence of such, with the video clip of Tommy, being possible. I guess, to you I would ask..... Ok, and?
@@blackphoenixfamily8477 🤡🤣You sound ridiculous!
So ? That's got NOTHING to do with what John's playing, you do know the difference right ? Thousands of bands use backing tracks of some sort.... Sabbath were doing it in the 1970's, it's nothing unusual...
@@MickH60Well, I thought that's what the entire controversy was about. I don't think there's anything wrong with a rhythm backing track. I mean, I don't have a band so I perform at open mic with a track for all the other members of a band. 😂
@@MickH60 That's the entire point, and is exactly what the band keeps denying. Nobody with a functional brain thinks John 5 cannot hang live, it's the other 2 bozos in the band people believe are faking it, hence playing to a "rhythm track" there is literal video evidence of Tommy Lee standing up with his arms in the air and drums playing lol, that isn't latency or delayed effects or some drummer trick, it's just a backing Milli Vinilli backing track
Imagine questioning the ability of John 5? Nice to see you’ve got his back.
John is one of my favorite modern guitarists. He's a heck of a nice guy, too. I feel like he would just admit it if he was using a backing track.
I agree with all of this. I use hammer on chords and pull offs quite a bit. And I don't think the person who is calling B.S. is taking into account the sheer volume that John 5 is playing at. That helps. Hell, I can do it with a Jay Turser strat and a Kustom 100 at The Nick, much less through a bunch of Marshal stacks in an arena.
always luv these! Keep Rocking Justin!
doubling up 80s hair band backing tracks is standard faire. They used cd players and tape decks at the console and what not back in the day. doesnt matter whether j5 actually did or not. he has talent so either way
Let's just be honest, John 5 can do things no one else can do. So, if anyone could do it, it's him.
I saw Motley in 83,blew us away,great stage show,Mick was on fire,that’s how I’ll remember them rocking boys,what’s going on today is a different band period!
My issue with John 5 recently was when he said something to the effect of “As long as we still have Nikki, Tommy and Vince on stage we still have Motley Crue” which seemed incredibly dismissive and disrespectful towards Mick Mars.
Totally agree. Love to see what he thinks he’d be standing on that stage playing if it hadn’t been for Mick Mars.
But Mick Mars is not there so how is it dismissive to his talents?
@@Smart-Alex I didn’t say it was dismissive of his talents, it’s dismissive of his role in the bands success. Suggesting Mick is the only one of the band members that is replaceable is very dismissive of his contributions.
“Micks not here but it doesn’t matter because we have the 3 important members”.
@@detroitdabber313 John 5 always appeared humble and especially of thankful being part of the boys. I think his point was that there are still 3 original band members left, and the bulk of the bands core remains intact versus other bands that have a fraction or none (foreigner) of their originating members. Thats my read but to each their own of course.
Rubbish, he wasn't talking about "past success", stop putting words into his mouth just to have a whinge....
Heyy, bloody loved the show at Warwick castle, can’t wait to see you guys again 😊
"Does it really matter?" Yes. Yes it does. I'm going to see live music. I'm not going to see Milli Vanilli.
Like this setup you are very relaxed...
I saw MC on the Dr Feelgood tour in Birmingham UK. Part way through a roadie waked part me. A few minutes later someone threw a cup at Vince. He had a strop, threw the mic stand at the audience and stormed offstage. A moment later the roadie walked back past us carrying the mic stand. Theatre, don't you love it!
'walked past' obviously.
Justin is a few puppies short of Hasselhoff in that pose.
🤣😂🤣😂
And before Justin and Hasselhoff there was Burt Reynolds. For you younger folks look that one up... if you dare. 😆
John 5 is actually a wizard (or sorcerer depending on the hat situation). It is said that if he walks into a room with a 12-string the instrument will play Stairway to Heaven in an effort to get his attention.
The Chuck Norris effect
Hands don’t lie. Why the strain in judging? Not a pedal. What? Echo?
Pre- recorded. End stop.
I've flubbed chords and right hand stuff live. Listened to the recording and it sounds okay. The bass kind of takes care of the first strum on this. He hammers on the chord and the high notes ring out. Now the other members. I'm betting they do use help.
He did appear to miss the down-stroke and the sound of the chord he missed isn't a hammer on, John 5 is an awesome player but he did miss the down stroke.
Yeah I know you play live cos a lady felt you up while you were riding on your roadie's shoulders during your solo at Warwick castle and you immediately stopped playing and shot her a look 😂
John 5 put out a video showing how he played guitar while throwing pick in the air some people out there have no knowledge of music etc yet they reply like they do morons. Get well Justin
Idk about the rest of the band but i know damn well j5 isn't using a backing track.
You are delightful and I could listen to you all day!
AWESOMENESS 😎, Great seeing you bro WOOOOOOOO 💯🔥❤❤❤❤❤
I'll never be able to tell when you're throwing shade. Isn't that like peak English? Every episode feels like I'm watching Spinal Tap outtakes.
Yep probably hearing the attack from the drums and bass on top of the hammer on.
We like a tousled Mr H languishing on soft furnishings 😋
The first two Crue albums are great. I saw them on the "Theatre of Pain" tour with Y&T opening. I also camped out alongside the girl whose top gets flipped up in the "Home Sweet Home" video, which was filmed in Dallas and Houston, to get those tix. Those are all the music and memories I need from the Motleys. I've been Crue-free going on nearly 40yrs and I've never felt better!
Man, Y&T doesn't et nearly enough love these days. They were far better than the majority of their contemporaries.
@@drewnelson3149 so true
Good day to you Justin!😘
This is so well edited ! I love JHRA
If you have lots of overdubs in the studio you have to find a way to replicate that live. Many bands do it to cut the cost of having additional musicians to play the extra overdubs.
EXACTLY.....
John 5 is about the last person who would need to mime anything.
Your acoustic guitar intro theme sounded amazing on this video
And your hair looked really pretty too
It's 100% legit, John even showed how it's done, he literally strums with his left fingers.. what a guitar god LMAO And with the gain he had on stage, it sounds massive. Just git gud, bunch of guitar noobs (John Petrucci voice)
Could it be the delay from the player to the stadium speaker set up!?
Dr John 5 🤘🏼🙌🏼 sad that he’s getting this treatment, same on video of him ripping Kiss licks off the top of his head on Paul’s og cracked mirror Ibanez and people complaining they’re not perfect. He’s brilliant and one of the best playing today, great feel and love for the instrument that comes out in everything he plays
Not a Motley Crue fan, but the idea that John 5 needs a backing track is ridiculous. He is phenomenal. Well beyond the capabilities of the rest of the band.
Vince Neil looks like he ate the rider..
Guys, trust me, you couldn't pay a guitarist to fake their playing. The only thing guitarists love more than playing guitar is hearing themselves play guitar. 🤣
Attacking strings with the fretting hand (instead of plectrum) is not radically new. Buckethead does it all the time when he plays with his lefthand while tapping the kill-switch button with his right. I'm sure what John 5 is claiming is well within his ability.
"Sorry guys, no encore, no refund and goodnight!"🤟
I don't see the big deal if the band is using a rhythm or support track. The biggest solo pop stars in the world perform to tracks. Why? Because it cuts costs and allows them to focus on the dramatics of their stage performance or the experience of their show.
That is one of the core differences between bands and pop stars because bands actually play the elements of their music live. Whether or not a band employs support tracks is really just a matter of what kind of show they want to put on.
It doesn't matter who does what in Motley Crue. Not my thing...ever!
hot takes and looking forward to the new album
Oh my! Fake news? Are people claiming that they are actually playing their instruments? Are they applauding the vocal ability of Vince?
The biggest thing that bothers me is that I read in an interview that he's never had an alcoholic drink. Surely he's not qualified to be in Motley Crue?
Pantera did not even hire a roadie that would not drink with them
@@pitthefrit6292 are they hiring?
This has been debunked by numerous channels. Hammer-on chords. Yes, he is playing.
If J5 mimed air guitar that shit would still make sweet sweet sounds better than 99% of us are capable of.
John 5 unfortunately has no say in the overall decisions of what happens on stage. He's along for the ride and if there is a backing track playing behind his own real playing, he must do his best to be a good soldier.
Any band who mimes on stage should be ashamed. You’re ripping people off.
John 5 doesn't need a backing track. He is too good.
Every national act of this size plays to tracks.
Old guys that were stars 40 years ago need backing tracks. That's how it works. *Of course* Motley Crue plays muted live.
Here's how it went. Hammer on the TWO STRING CHORD. downstroke the same two strings, upstroke the next chord, two strings, one fret down. It's so simple. slap a finger down by accident and it happens and people are arguing that a guy that plays every day for years and years live and in studio recording sessions is so unable to do this it has to be faked. Then, Justin who claims to know John5 questions this. Shame on you.
If the rest of the band is leaning hard on backing tracks - so hard that the stage design and lighting intentionally makes it almost impossible to see detail - why wouldn’t he be? Is he the reverse click track? Lord, he’s playing with Motley Crue. Not exactly a high water mark for integrity.
John 5 is brilliant. If you want to question his playing go see him at one of his club shows. He can play anything, absolutlely anything. Motley has used backing tracks and vocal tracks for years. They are a band you go see for the full stage show, you don't go tohear Vince sing, that is for sure. I think you called it correctly Mr. Hawkins!
06:56 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏
I could easily see that he was not strumming the guitar along with the track.
And I have become A Metal fan, in spite of my 57 years!
John 5 has earned the right to do whatever he likes.
If you listen closely the first strum does sound a bit different than the 2 strums. I believe John 5 that he did a hammer on! His skill is far above the rest. He has already proven himself throughout the years so........
like good wine, it gets better as it ages❤
Cool video Justin!
Great explanation 😁
I'm sad to see Johnny 5 slumming with this band, I wanted better for him😢
At least he’s alive!
There is no denying that J5 is an incredible guitarist, I love his playing. However, that clip is super suspect. There is the clear sound of a chord being struck while he is walking with his hands no where near the strings. His chording hand doesn't move either which removes the hammer-on argument. Interesting
Love the gain and sustain like Dan when he hits those strings
With enough gain this is an easy move, I wish the internet netizens would stop playing “gotcha” with the whole damn world and just be normal for a good minute or two.
Hey Justin, If there are no backing tracks involved, then who is playing the rhythm guitar while John 5 is soloing?
While I think that John 5's explanation is possible (as I am a guitarist myself), I do agree with the comment that there is a difference in tine between a strummed chord (in this case meaning the multiple simultaneous notes being strummed) and a chord hammer-on (multiple simultaneous note being fretted by hammer on). There is so much gain on this sound that it does make it a little hard to distinguish as I know with heavy gain (like here), what he is saying is possible, you just have to be super precise in hitting the exact strings of the chord you are playing, or you will get unwanted string noise.
However, when he is soloing there is an obvious rhythm guitar part being heard too, and it is NOT being played by John 5 at that moment. So, it is most likely a backing track, or possible another guitarists off stage playing those rhythm parts (unlikely, especially with Motley Crue's history).
To not acknowledge this just really makes him look bad, if not like a LIAR (as Henry Rollins would say).
It does matter and I will tell you why. Because to call yourself a live show and sell tickets with that advertising/marketing, and there has been decades of precedent of rock musicians performing live in front of you that have reinforced the understanding/meaning of a 'live performance', then to not do so as that (using backing tracks in place of actual live performances) would be FRAUD by definition. That would be ground for legal action, and I think that should happen under those instances.
Now, I will say that when I spend money for a 'live performance' and I think this is a reasonable expectation, that the musicians on stage who are billed as the 'live performance' all need to be the one performing live without any of there instrument parts being replaced by a backing track. If there is a song a musician i'performing live', and that song has a complete orchestral section, I think it is ok to have a backing track of the orchestral section, as long as, the musicians on stage are all playing their parts on their instruments live. I understand that having an orchestra on tour just to play a 30 seconds section of a song is costly. It would be cooler if that were actually the case, but I get that under those circumstances, those parts could be on backing tracks to reduce logistics and expenses.
To sum up, I think just as long as the musicians on stage billed as the 'live performance' are all playing their parts on their instruments, 'live' during that performance, then it is ok for anything they are not playing to be supplemented on a backing track.
What I think is really ironic, is that all these supposed real rock musicians have diluted themselves because there was a time when real rock musicians called others out as POSERS for not taking their playing and craft seriously, and just presenting themselves as rock musicians for all the fame and finances they waned to get.
Cheers,
Tim
John Five is probably the most talented member of M/C He is a very top tier player
probably? he's lightyears above those hacks
@@wpropst you're right 😅
He's the best drummer, bassist and vocalist in the band.
Justin you have done it again 👏🏼 flipping genius!
I have no doubt they use tracks. Couple of songs have synths and the show I went to last year there was no keyboard player on stage. Pure theatre. I had a great night and if the Crue come back to Sydney then I will go see them again. I know John 5 is doing a solo tour of North America this year.. If that tour makes it to Sydney eventually then I will go see that too.
Mostly Crud is now tarnishing John5. That is disgraceful. John5 is a great guitarist.
On another note I'd like to have a beer and a chat with you Sir Justin,bring doc 5 if he's up for it👍
I think they have slowed down the BPM which is helping Vince a lot
They are doing well just to be alive and touring at all. When saw them last year Vince Neill was very unfit and really struggled to keep pace with the faster verses, but he can't be expected to hit the notes he could 30 years ago in the best circumstances. The band still put on a fantastic show and if they need a little help reaching the same levels people expect all these decades later then there is nothing wrong with that. Didn't see anything to suggest they were faking it. Maybe Neill could get himself a fitness coach though, I think that might have solved much of the problem.
John is an amazing guitar player and such a nice dude. I was able to meet him at one of his Creatures shows. I truly wish he wouldn't have joined Crue. Now he has to defend himself constantly. But, I suppose he got the bag for this gig and defending himself constantly is worth it?
Who knows what's real or not anymore 🤷♀ But I'm confident TD doesn't NEED to fake anything!
John 5 is that good he’s playing the next concert.
Loving your Prince Andrew sausage pose Justin.
oh stop trying to be nice and call it out for what it is already. everybody is so afraid to speak their mind these days.
Duff Mckagan look going on here 🤘🏻 Also, come on Rock, Paper, Swords so we can talk about the historical aspects of your lyrics in songs like Barbarian and Black Shuck!
Can loop it on a pedal 😊
Hey Justin... When people come up to you and say 'Hey Justin I saw the Darkness at the (e.g.) Cambridge Corn Exchange in 2006', do you find yourself trying to flash back to that gig? Even if only to make sure you were there? Or do you just pass over that info in your reply (if any)?