Engine Oil Filter Comparison Duramax 3.0 + TurboMax 2.7 PF66 WL10351 UPF66R HP1021
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
- Up close look at the construction of the most common engine oil filters available for the Duramax 3.0 and the TurboMax 2.7L found in Silverado / Sierra and Colorado / Canyon Trucks. 3.0 Duramax Diesel Silverado and Sierra 1500 LM2 LZ0
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Ppe has to be larger due to the lower micron level. To keep flow up they need more area because it does restrict in order to catch trash down to 10 micron. Witch will obviously keep said trash out of the engine. Pretty nice set up.
Fantastic video! I’ve been enjoying your previous LM2/LZ0 vids and look forward to what’s coming next.
Knowing the filter media material composition would be nice (cellulose, synthetic). The longer PPE filter housing would extend below the frame rail exposing it to impacts from gravel… Measure the oil filter housing thickness while you’re at it. Also measure the weight of each filter. I’ve used both the PF66 and UPF66R in my LZ0. Also I use MOBIL 1 ESP X2 0w-20. I recently went on a 2300 mile trip of which 95% was highway driving. I used maybe 2-3 ounces of oil for those concerned with the supposed LZ0 “oil burning” issue.
I appreciate the comment on here and I will go deeper with these filters. this video was already 15 minutes long so the deeper details will be ina future video. I disagree with the longer filter and being exposed, I run the PPE for the past 2 oil changes and it is not anywhere near a possible impact nor is it below any rail. I have been seeing more people use that oil now that it is becoming regularly available, I will likely use it in the future as well.
The LZ0 "oil burning issue" I still cannot figure out where that came from. There was one guy that mentioned it and that was all I saw. I did videos early on discussing how the lZ0 will burn oil during break in and that is why GM overfilled them from the factory. I used quite a bit during break in but after that, none since.
I don't see it being an issue with the PPE filter. I've seen people using cat filters after the conversation and those look like that could catch somewhere.
I've been running the PPE filter in my Duraburb and I've been happy with the results.
I gave the PPE filter a try and I like the idea of the magnet and increased capacity. I did notice that my oil pressure read a bit lower but nothing too drastic. It does NOT hang down low enough to be a significantly larger target to road debris. I didn’t use it on my last oil change but I’m going back to it next time
I also run PPE on engine and trans. 2018 Duramax 2500. No ra-grets
Any suggestions for a better oil drain plug for the lm2? Stock pan. Mine stripped out. Thanks
I slap the filtermag magnet on my oil filter. In other peoples oil filter cut open videos purolator one and the wix filters usually standout as the best.
I like the Nylon core because it allows for better oil flow. Holes would be second if I have no other choice.
I agree with your opinions, only downside is the plastic/nylon can get fatigued and brittle with heat.
Huge thanks on making this video. This
Was eye opening. Excellent comparison and presentation of the filters. I just got a upf66r from the dealership. Payed way to much though. I’m doing it’s first change at 2500miles(4K km). Then use the free one from the dealership at 12k km. I’ll be using wix xp or Napa gold next time I do my own. Planning 8k km(5k miles) intervals. Huge thanks dude
The Fram Titanium FS12447 is the best filter for the Duramax, if you can find them at a Advance Auto Parts store. They're basically a Fram Endurance in a black can. full synthetic media, silicone ADBV, nylon mesh backing, 99%+ at 20 microns.
I agree but the FS12446 is $16 compared with $10 for the STP. It's a cost/benefit analysis, is the Fram really 60% better for something that's going to be tossed? Invest in quality oil the STP is sufficient.
@@joshuahedrick I'm not worried about an extra 6 dollars when it's months between oil changes. Oil is cheap, engines are not. Unless the STP offers what the Fram does, I'm not interested.
@@Ragnarok1979 The Fram filters to the same efficiency as the STP so what's your point? Take a look back at my previous comment. I said invest your money in the oil. Obviously don't run a crap filter, but I asked, is the Fram 60% better then the STP? Now, there is no Wix XP or Purolator Boss for this particular motor yet, and your all about the Fram Titanium, yet, with the 2.7 and 3.0 motor with the turbo I'm not willing to run any Oil at any price more then 10,000 miles so what is the Fram filter doing that the STP can't?
@@joshuahedrick Just checked out DW's vid on the STP you mentioned. I'll have to keep an eye out for those. I've been having a tough time finding the FS12447s at AAP. I'll start looking in AZ for those.
I use the PPE filter as well and have had no issues with it. I would like to see if you could save a used one and maybe bring back a used ac delco from work and compare the two with what you find inside. Great videos and enjoy your content!
I was planning on cutting my own up but did not consider another one like you mention. Great idea! I appreciate that.
… Thanks buddy..
Love them videos..!!!
Appreciate that!
How are the doc’s oil filters for the 3.0 or are they a clone of the AC delco
The k&n gold filter I installed yesterday was weeping oil around the nut
I use to get Wix filters from Napa for our Equipment, i stopped using them because i was finding alot of metal shavings, or like long metal hairs in filter when u looked in it. Also got a couple of moldy filters in bottom that i sent back. No those Wix Fuel Filters have a plastic wrap on top. Must have been a big complaint. I just use the factory filters now, they are cheaper then napa
Do you think the metallic dust you’re seeing is just from you cutting it open with the cutting wheel?
None of the others I cut open had that dust, and the cutter I used is a slow hand spinning style. So while I kind of pointed to the cutter as the possible cause, I honestly don’t think that’s where it came from.
Great comparison. At the end of the day as long as you change the oil and filter at the recommended interval it doesn’t really matter which of these filters you run.
Hey man, love your videos!
I do have a question for you though..
Noticing that WIX and PPE don't have bypass valves, how do that prevent your engine from oil starvation? I'm due for an oil change and was leaning towards the WIX aside from that one possible "issue".
I understand your concern, GM actually had a bulletin come out when the pf66 was unavailable and the wix was one of the filters they were ok with people using in it's place. The filter would have to fully clog up for there to be an issue and if someone is running a filter for that long to clog up, they have a lot more to worry about beyond the filter. Run it !
@@DemonWorks thanks alot for the info that's kinda what I was thinking too but I have one other thing lingering in the back of my head..
Hear me out, I live in Canada and in the winter -40°C isn't uncommon, and the engine temp struggles to get up to running temp before I get to work. Do you think starvation could be an issue with cold starts in that scenario? Or am I just overthinking again? Sorry for the dumb questions dude, this thing is my baby and I'd like to own it as long as possible in running condition lol
@john-paulguyprazinak6928 I run the Wix filters in my truck 2013 gmc 1500 and during winter -40 no problems at all.
We need micron ratings on all filters. Also that's why the PPE filter is larger! Higher filtration means you need more filter media to compensate!
Hey man just a question for you I just got a 2023 1500 duramax and I was wondering what temperature should the transmission should be running at and what might be a high temperature for it? Also with the oil gauge should it go up and down eveytime I push on the gas?
Hey! Welcome to the family! Your oil pressure will change with engine RPM and it will appear very low, but that’s normal.
Your trans temp will likely sit at 197-210 typically. That’s due to the valve in the cooler line. If you see above 225, I would start to feel a little uneasy.
Thank you. Ya, I was just a little concerned about the tran temp yesterday because it went up to 221 and normally would stay around 199. So I just wanted to get a little info on it due to the fact this is my first diesel, and I want to make sure I'm taking care of everything that I need to with it. Thank you for the info. Your videos really help out a lot.
Take the transmission pan off, replace the filter as well as the bolts that hold it. Replace the transmission fluid with amsoil fuel efficient atf. It will run 10 degrees cooler.
If you are running that ppe filter... due to its larger size do you need to run more oil?
maybe a dumb question...
I would love to run the PPE but up here in Canada the cost of them is nuts!
Ya I just about puked. Though I just payed 27$ Cad for a UPF66R from the dealership. Going to get a wix xp or Napa gold next time.
Has any of you owners noticed a difference in oil pressure between the PF 66 and any of the others?
Just noticed the new version of the PF 66 Has many more inlet holes now - Just curious if they were trying to achieve higher oil pressure by doing this.
I feel like gm switched it up across the board. Check out the pf63 change as well. 2024 NEW DESIGN PF63 Oil Filter Cutaway L5P L8T 5.3 6.2
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The reason for my question this filter also fits the GM L3B 2.7L I4 - that’s in the Colorado and canyon pickup.
On my first oil change, I switched to a Purolator PL11424 PureOne filter & noticed the difference in the inlet holes between the 2 filter (Big Difference).
I never paid attention to the oil pressure while running the original original PF 66 - now with the Purolator- at operating temp and at high speed oil pressure is constant at 29 to 30 psi.
Next oil change interval, I will switch back to the PF 66 just to compare oil pressure numbers.
Not really a fan of running a filter with just cheesy paper media compared to a high-quality synthetic blend or pure synthetic glass media but this will only be to compare oil pressure numbers.
I would much rather be running a synthetic blend or synthetic media filter that has a 20 to 25 µm absolute rating compared to a 30 or 35 absolute micron rating with paper media.
Just my OCD!
With PPE and it's 10 micron statement, what efficiency does it hold at 10 microns? It may filter down to 10 microns but if it only catches 3% @ 10 microns is it really worth it?
That's up to you to decide. I run it.
I find it incredible that the Fram beats the ACDelco blue. They used to use cardboard end caps but now are metal and using silicone anti-drainback valve. Just that beats both ACDelcos for cold weather. Wix's quality has gone down lately but is a better choice than the ACDelcos. The K&N is basically just a standard filter with a nut, not worth the cost. The PPE is just priced itself out from the universe. Currently using PF66 but want a silicone ADBV. Wix may be my next choice. And I already put magnets on my filters. Decisions, decisions.
What do you use for magnets? I am interested.
Fram is ostracized unfairly. I knew a friend 20 years ago who owned 3 older Ford vehicles. All of them used the Fram PH8 oil filter. Fram made the PH8 oil filter for a few decades. Not one of my friends' Ford engines failed because of using those Fram filters..I have used Fram oil filters on my Ford Taurus V6 3.0L without any problems. I finally sold that car. The Fram FE series oil filter are as good as any oil filters on the market today.
I'm happy to hear you had good success for years with your fram filters.
There appears to be a couple different GM PF66 filters out there from the looks of it. The one I just put on (blue GM one) has a metal inner core, not plastic...
You have a first design which I believe is also the upf66r now.
@@DemonWorks I have a UPF66 as well, it's heavier so it's not exactly the same
@@sierracat good to know. Unsure when the pf66 switched from the metal core to E core but I do know the pf66 was out the same time as the upf66r, so that makes sense that they wouldn’t be identical. Thanks for sharing!
Nylon core. 5 times stronger the metal core.
I want to use the ppe filter but will it cause premature wear on the oil pump belt?
The filter should actually do the opposite since it captures more debris.
@DemonWorks it's not going to add any extra pressure on the belt? I know it's more filter area but it's filtering alot more stuff out.
Funny how the fram and cheap acdelco clearly had better QC than the mid price ones
I need to change my fuel filter which one do you recommend and do you have a link
DIY - Fuel Filter Change - How GM wants the Techs to do it - LM2 Duramax
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Links in the description, I recommend ACDelco. Hope this helps!
@DemonWorks How do you like the VSE fuel saver filter set up? Any issues?
@@MiddleGroundGarage zero issues, love the peace of mind. Have a set of cat filters to be installed next.
My fuel saver is in the mail right now. Looks like they started shipping with Baldwin filters which look to have slightly better micron ratings than the comparable CAT filter
@@kylem8841 awesome! I thought the cats were 2 and Baldwin were 3 but I could be incorrect. Either way, a great setup for sure!
Please don’t fall for PPE’s marketing. Note they don’t give the efficiency of filtration are 10 microns just “down to 10 microns” it’s cellulose media, 98% efficiency at 30microns maybe 10-12% at 10 micron (same for the rest of those filters). That said I still use the PPE for the added media surface area 😅
I also want to note I have contacted PPE multiple times asking for the filtration efficiency at 10 microns and they won’t give me an answer.
I reached out to PPE for that same information and they refused to provide it. Because of that I've decided to stick with OEM.
I emailed PPE today about this and I did get a reply, 50% at 10 microns and 85% at 20 microns.
I have since switched to purolator one 98% at 23 micron
IT'S A DIESEL, not a F1 race car! Why does it need the most expensive box on the shelf?
It's ok to have fun?
Louvers have restricted oil flow.
I agree with your opinions, only downside is the plastic/nylon can get fatigued and brittle with heat.
@@DemonWorks can you share where you got this information.
If you need a wrench to remove your filter you're doing something wrong...
Amazon rip off
Thanks for watching !
Would be cool to see how much filter material there is if you unravel them
Happy to see you request this, I will be doing that in the future. I did not want to do that in this video because it was already too long. My videos in the future will go into greater detail with each filter. Thank you for the suggestion ! It's comments like this that help me provide you guys with what you want to see.