RX 780M vs. Core Ultra 7 155H (Like LEGION GO/ROG ALLY vs. MSI CLAW)
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- Comparing the AMD RX780M vs. the Core Ultra 7 155H in 15 games. (Same as in MSI Claw really)
00:00 Introduction and used systems
01:09 Games (Ryzen 9 7940HS vs. Core Ultra 7 155H)
06:30 Games (GO Z1 Extreme vs. Core Ultra 7 155H)
Systems:
ASUS TUF A15
Ryzen 9 7940HS
RDNA 3 Integrated Graphics: RX 780M
RTX 4060 140W (DEACTIVATED!!!)
32GB DDR5 5600 Mhz (Upgraded from 16GB 4800 Mhz)
1TB SSD NVME
Win 11
vs.
ACER SWIFT GO 14
Intel Core Ultra 7 155H
Arc integrated Graphics (128EUs & 8 Xe Cores)
32GB (capped to 16) 6400 Mhz DDR5
1TB SSD
Win 11
vs. Lenovo Legion Go
Z1 Extreme
16GB 6400 Mhz RAM
1TB SSD
Win11
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35W is the wattage of the arc GPU alone not the whole cpu.
65W of Amd is the whole cpu power draw.
Super gut video thank you!
thanks for the effort! 💛
Nice video, and the only so far of its kind, so much appreciated! I have been looking at buying the upcoming Onexplayer X1 and I am really torn seeing these results. How much of this performance gap do you attribute to drivers? Obviously, the 780m has been on the scene for a while now and AMD has been great at optimizing drivers for it. With better drivers, do you expect we will see more equalized results between the two iGPUs? And if so, how much time do you think it will take before we get there? Last question, would you be so kind as to do some more testing with XESS on the Intel chip and FSR on the AMD chip and see how the results compare (both in terms of image quality and FPS)? Thanks for the great work!
Really hard to predict that. On the one hand I had really bad experience with Intel iris xe driver optimization in the past. It didn't change a lot, even after years!
On the other hand the handheld manufacturers might handle this themselves. And/or push Intel.
Some reviewers seem to have better performance on the Msi claw for example. I just hope for the best. Competition is important.
@@Hubwood agreed! Competition is on the side of the consumer, so we are the beneficiaries. I get where you are coming from regarding Intel's Iris Xe drivers; they were never adequate, especially in comparison to AMD's offer. However, I just hope that since the new technology is based on Arc and since there is a push for better GPU performance by Intel, that they will take their product more seriously and deliver true competition to AMD, because as it stands, based on your results, there is still no competition!
Hubwood 🤣 at 6:31 . Good one!!
Had a hangover and little sleep yesterday. Lol.😂
Intel Arc is a good step forward but Intel still needs massive energy when it has a load. The Ryzen just works much better if both are at 30W (yes people, look the complete video) . I have the legion go and I’m totally happy with the machine and AMD’s performance. It’s also known that the best for the Z1 Extreme is 7,500 MT/s RAM and 5-6 GB of “VRAM” (shared RAM) which is my case and the performance is great. I also have mine plugged in to my TV and it works great @ 1080p (the TV is 4K). If I want, I plug in my eGPU and it flys 😊
What to improve in Q4 2024/2025: 24-32 GB RAM, even better chip.
Interesting to see if they make any optimisations for the MSI claw and would love to see some XESS performance on the Intel IGPU as I doubt you would use FSR on it really
Im sure the MSI Claw will have to be optimized alot. They can't sell it like that... (imho)
Very nice AMD 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for the bench, Hub! 😁
Much needed leap for integrated PC graphics!
Me parece muy extraño el uso de vram me parece que no se está midiendo correctamente, no habrá una confusión con la vram asignada y vram en uso???
Thanks for the video. However, do you know a software named Ryzen Controller? It might be possible to limit ASUS notebook power consumption to 30W with it, assuming you still have the notebook.
There's better apps out there to limit power and tdp limiting. Universal x86 tuning utility, Google it.
I think these FPS apps should start adding standard deviation in the FPS count. Would be nice to also know the extent of FPS variation over the course of the benchmark. Or at least a CV count.
Will you make a vid about how AFMF affect legion go / rog ally gameplay?
If you capped it to 60fps, will it have lesser latency increased ?
Not planning that right now. But capping fps with MF/FG will always cause a higher latency. Yes.
I backed a X1 with the 155 hoping for z1 extreme gaming performance but man was I wrong, do you think with driver updates the 155 will get to were the 780m is gaming performance? If not even with driver updates then idk ill probably cancel. If the 155 can get there with driver updates then Id happily keep it because I really like the X1.
Well I'm sure it will be optimized slot in these handhelds.
Otherwise these companies would commit suicide ;)
Well see what they are able to pull of. These drivers are new and u optimized yet.
@@Hubwood yeah I'm just going to wait a few more weeks and see how updates go and if any other CZcamsrs get the device to test. I really do hope it gets a driver and needs to perform well and really be competition
Can you please make a video with the 2k resolution? I know the fps would be low but with some tweaks or graphics set at low it should work!
Awesome video thanks for comparing, looks like the new intels have only one thing going for them, the occulink port lol
Which ones have Occulink?
06:35 I already was about to complain xD. Thanks for the video, doesnt look very promising, but at least we have competition i guess. I usually dont like to use this term but the MSI claw looks like DOA to me, especially to that price.
Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
Someone didn't watched the entire video o.o
@@HDRPCway to spam. Half the power would be impressive at the same performance. The msi can come with the 135H or 155H, 185H is not an option.
Also, when he matches the wattage, its still 40% more performance. You cant say at half the wattage when wattage is matched!
even tho im a amd in all my systems guy. dont sleep on intell their stock tanked after market shifted towards amd. but ive been holding some stock of them for a while now. and damn is it paying off especially now that intell is going into the gpu market also. amd is to expensive atm (stock not products) intell still needs like half a decade to really start having a chance of being a good option in the gpu market. its a absolute underated stock for coming 5-10 years good hold.@@HDRPC
@@cosmicgamingunlimited I think he is trying to say overclock the iGPU so the wattage is the same.
I look forward to Strix Point. But I bet it will only be available on select models over $1200 USD with weird screen sizes and with NVidia iGPUs attached. :/
I have Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro with R7 7840HS which has the same 780M APU. An i noticed that my card was limited to 30W, but I as i know this APU could go higher on other laptops. And you know what? It was locked in the system settings (Lenovo Vantage application). After adding more juice, the 780M started using ~38-40W and I got around 5-10% of extra performance without noticeable temperature gain.
Definitely the best APU for now.
Guys chill these are very early beta drivers give the chip time the 780m drivers are very mature with half a year of updates competition is great I will buy one day one to support intel amd and nvidia need competition asap and for a first shot coming that close is amazing and with a few patches we could see it matching or beating the 780m
Yeah.
I hope the drivers get ALOT better.
But from my pretty long benchmarking experience with Intel Iris XE since it's release... not alot is going to happen.
BUT I really hope I am wrong here, seriously. Not a fanboy. I just want good competition which is better for all of us.
Here is the thing.
We had this happen with the Ally and the Lenovo Go. There is no way to telling how much support a company will throw at their device. They still have budgets and time allocation to follow. I Don't think it's going to get much better at day one. I always keep expectations low.
@@emperorbraphomet Drivers for intel GPUs are entirely done by Intel themselves instead of like AMD who says the manufacturer is responsible for driver updates. So support will be entirely down to Intel and their ARC drivers, not MSI
Currently testing the MSI CLaw with the 125H (the "small" one).
It performs identical to the 125H I've tested in aN ACER Laptop a while ago.
No improvement at all yet.
In dave2d direct comparison, the msi got slightly higher fps at 30 w vs the rog ally 25 w. Also, the claw has higher tdp options than the ally and go.
Thanks for sharing the comparison
I guess that the Claw will be as an emulator killer instead of a handheld gaming pc
Thanks!!
I'll just be looking forward to the Claw releasing and causing another sale of the legion go so I can pick one of those up, msi's only chance is intel radically improving the drivers to bring the performance closer to the Zen extreme which I do think is possible BUT they have to also beable to beat it on battery efficiency, that's the only way people will be willing to take a slight performance hit that's IF it comes with superior battery life, plugged in I think the Claw will actually out perform the Ally and Go cause their chips max at 35w while the Claw can goto 65w I believe so plugged in if the drivers get fixed, the Claw should definitely have a big advantage
2 month after what about new driver ? and bios update ?
that baldur's gate at 8:10 had a significant difference, intel igpu had no ambient occlusion and even lower quality of textures, it wasn't even able to load everything and lost if settings were the same
Settings have been the same. What you're seeing is driver related ... Could be fixed in the future though
@@Hubwood assumption was: either game is forcing it down, or drivers have problems rendering it properly, because even if ther are the same, they don't look like it
and does it increase performance? lower it? becuase there are some errors and error managing, whatever goes in the pipeline, could affect performance either way
Wow AMD shines at the ending. Its not much slower with 30W. Impressive.
For those who want an Intel based handheld, Lunar Lake processors are coming later this year. During CES Intel promised significant IPC increase, highly improved performance per watt profile, 3X faster NPU (for those who might care about such feature) and most importantly it will feature 2nd gen Arc Battlemage architecture for its iGPU. It will have its RAM modules directly mounted on the SoC package (which iGPUs can only benefit from) and will very likely come with the usual Intel features such as Thunderbolt 5 and Wi-Fi 7. AMD will have Zen5 APUs but those will still use RDNA 3 architecture and on an inferior process node compared to Lunar Lake.
But that doesn't mean Meteor Lake handhelds shouldn't exist. MTL is laying the foundation for future lineups that will leverage integrated Arc graphics. Having a strategic partnership with a big OEM such as MSI will serve to give Arc more exposure to game developers. Not everyone trust or even considers products made by Chinese vendors. The only handhelds that are taken seriously are those made by big companies such as Valve, Asus, Lenovo and now MSI. Sad but true. Whether people like it or not there will be millions of those chips being sold as AMD consistently failed to supply enough mobile chips to OEMs. I won't be surprised if OEMs pick Lunar Lake over whatever AMD offers later this year for next gen handhelds if Intel guarantees them good supply.
Interesting comment. Thanks for sharing.
Don't expect more than +30% performance over Meteor-Lake which is not much faster than the current Ryzen 7000 series. Its always a bad sign when intel has to advertise its NPU speed instead of the numbers gamers actually care about.
@samserious1337 Intel advertised an increased CPU IPC and much better performance per watt for Lunar Lake which are stuff handheld gamers care about. And I think they're waiting to launch the discrete Battlemage GPUs before giving details on the iGPU variant in LNL similar to how it went between discrete Alchemist and the iGPU version in MTL. Battlemage dGPUs are expected to come out before Lunar Lake this year.
With everything it brings to the table I can see LNL graphics performance being doubled over MTL especially if they managed to fix the Alchemist hardware flaws in Battlemage. And more so as they are moving from TSMC N5 to TSMC N3B node for both the CPU (4P+4E cores) and iGPU on a new graphics architecture (8 Xe2 cores) and LPDDR5x-8533 on-package DRAM (2 soldered modules of 16GB each, making 32GB both the max capacity and the new standard as LNL which was co-developed between Intel and Microsoft needs more RAM capacity for AI applications on their upcoming Windows 12 OS).
As far as I'm aware Zen5 isn't getting the TSMC 3nm treatment this year nor is it getting on-package DRAM to reduce latency and power consumption. Maybe that will change at some point but in the near future AMD won't be in a strong position against Intel in the thin-and-light mobile space later this year being on an inferior TSMC N4 node. Intel will have products based on TSMC 3nm way before AMD which most people didn't expect would ever happen. And they're already on their way to grab TSMC N2 capacity as well while still producing their own 20A and 18A based chips for desktop and high power laptops.
@@Patrick73787AMD and Intel brothers, they work together to monopolize the x86 x64 CPU, there's a reason why ryzen 8000 and intel 14th didn't improve significantly
because they gave intel ultra a highlight
What needs to be seen is the transition to CPU arm in the next few years , because there is more than one license owner and they will compete
Correction: those Zen 5 APUs will be using RDNA 3.5, and adding more CUs to some of their chips.
Thanks, I almost ordered X1 Intel Ultra handheld...
It's finally here!
I wonder if future intel drivers would match or take over the performance of 780m like they initailly shown in their graphs 😅
I have seen many videos and read articles and they proved Intel arc igpu is FASTER than 780m while consuming less power.
@@HDRPCMore than 30W, yes; less than 30W, no. 780M dominates 8 to 28W, which is the only range for handheld PC
@@brightya OneXPlayer X1 has 5 watt to 28 watt Intel Ultra 7 155H gaming.
MSI Claw is coming. Intel drivers are coming to optimize low power.
Intel has 1 watt igpu Endurance gaming, total soc power will be 10 watt.
@@HDRPC Of course the 155H can run at lower than 30W, but the performance is lower than 780M in this range. The test was based on gpu benchmark test which is less likely affected by drives update than games.
on paper intel seems strong, seems like drivers issue keeping them noticeably worse than amd still.
AMD's Radeon 780M iGPU is just an incredible iGPU. Nice try and good improvement by Intel, but not good enough.
How about rendering?
Is arc igpu win?
lmao rendering with an igpu
@@user-gq4jr6gd3rhave u seen apple??😒
Not bad for Intel's first generation of APU's.
Like AMD when they released the first gen of Zen APU's it had a potential and now with the latest Zen APU's we can see how good they became.
Intel can just get better and better from this first starting point.
Hmm, maybe?
I don't ask much from Lenovo or Asus or msi if I only want 32GB of ram and if not at least 24GB so at least 8 or 12 of vram could be used without problems
This. Even 6gb vram is pushing it. Forza keeps telling me my ram is getting low. A game shouldn’t tell me that and no I don’t have anything running but the game with a good manual debloat
A little disappointed you did not test the XMX XeSS pathway at all. I am reffering to image quality and comparing that against FSR which can be an artifact ridden mess. Granted, its best to test image quality on the actual 7inch panel, as that can hide more aliasing, but the interesting prospect here would be: Does the XMX pathway provide close to DLSS image quality, which may be a compromise against the 10% performance deficit of the poor intel drivers
As an Ally and GPD daily user. I am frankly sick of the poor upsclers and ghosting where FSR-upscaled games have terrible ghosting even on small screens. Xess may provide a legitimate advantage but the device needs to be 100-200$ cheaper, otherwise regardless of IQ, the CLAW is simply DOA.
You might want to put the average wattage drawn out too, since ~60W vs ~35W is not a fair fight.
6:31
It's literally in the video for every game.
Yeah! The power draw was crazy for the Radeon 780M.
@@akin242002 that's the proper draw for the whole apu. not only the 780m. But also the Ryzen 7
U didn’t watch full video
Not sure how much I like these comparisons the intel wattage is always at least 20 lower doesn’t seem comparable
Look at the second part of the video. Same wattage doesn't change the outcome.
Hello. Are these laptops hard to find? It doesn't seem like any other reviewers are even mildly interested in these new intel chips. The few got their early review models, did quite low effort reviews then nothing. Maybe the real life performance that you are showing is the reason. Whether driver issues, or hardware only time will tell. Nice comparison though!
Yeah they are hard to find. Which is a Shame really... Especially for the AMD CPU.
The Intel is brand new, so WE might see more of them soon.
In my country I can't find a single laptop on that new AMD APU. Only renamed zen 3 + vega, like Ryzen 5-7530U.
And in the budget category crazier, they sell Ryzen 5-7520U, which has 4c/8t base on zen 2. Intel i3 1215u is way better in that price range, 6c/8t and better iGPU.
Yeah it's a Shame rx 780m and 760m aren't spread much wider...
@@Hubwood It's about been cheaper and available.
Laptop with this processors and gpu intel are good for running all emulators included ps3 and switch?
Battery life is good in gaming?
The interesting part was how it shows VRAM usage. On Intel one it is sometimes 10x more! How come?
The acer laptop seems to handle vram differently.
It's not using 10x in reality. The amd laptop also uses more vram than displayed. It's just not displayed as vram but part of the "regular" ram usage... It's a bit complicated with vram for igpus and how laptops handle that really. Also the OSD readings aren't necessarily 100% correct on that matter or can't even read put some stuff... 😑 Sorry
@@Hubwood Yes, i would imagine it is more issue with the drivers and how they report to the system than actual reality of the things. On my 5700G I actually dedicated 8Gb of RAM in BIOS to iGPU and there was some better results. I have new 7840HS mini PC, unofrtunatelly, there is no option to dedicate specific RAM amount ot its iGPU.
The differences are marginal anyhow. You won't usually loose more than 0-5% in performance.
why the arc was using so much more vram?!
Because the arc laptops handles the vram different. Seems to use auto settings. The rx780m laptop was not able to do that.
@@Hubwood that was my concern, afaik the 780m maxed at 2gb in bios. this pretty much needed 32gb atleaat.
Intel needs more driver optimizations. If they can't squeeze out more performance before launch the MSI Claw is DOA
Nice try, Intel... but no... We are waiting for an even more powerful and terrible AMD response.
Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
Ryzen 7 7840Hs and 7940Hs are same chips binned .
I wanted AMD to be failed this time. Then only they make something better. The product is been already a year old.
Fc intel. Fc AMD.
Unfortunately we won't be getting a better mobile chip from amd for at least another yr, they already announced that their 8000 series of mobile will just be a rebrand of the 7000 series with no changes except an improvement to the ai component of the chip which is already disabled on their zen chips to save abit of power since the ai component doesn't offer any gaming benefit, so it sux but only amd's desktop processors are getting a true update this yr
@@HDRPC 6:30 But it's the same here... And the result is sad for Intel. It's good if Ultra 9 works the same way... Probably...
As I suspected, Intel's drivers are going to be the MSi Claws Achillies heel.
so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
Legion Go was already better than these inteli drivers on its release day.
@@Hubwood let MSI Claw launch to all markets of the whole world and let reviewers do testing of retail unit.
there's a comparision at the end,still a total destruction of intel if versus ryzen Z1@@HDRPC
所以英特尔花了两代产品的时间，才堪堪能赶上AMD家核显，还贵了接近1000块钱(RMB)？
They should polish the drivers before releasing a product imo.
Yes. But it's Intel. Always the same.
why power for ryzen 9 is 2 times than intel core 7?
Watch from 6:30
Eh this video isn’t really fair, the Ryan 7940hs has a better cpu and uses double the wattage than the one found in the 7840u or the 155h.
6:30
You obviously didn't listen to me in the beginning. And you didn't watch the whole video. Right? ;)
@@Hubwood nah, I saw the rest of the video.
@@oo--7714 yeah so you saw that the Z1 in the legion go, also using the 780m, only uses 30w and still performs better?
@@Hubwood yes I saw that part, I just don’t think the first part of the video is really fair
No wonder there have been little to no ample amount of real-world gaming benchmarks.
Intel ought to spend money testing and refining their iGPUs from the get-go first over instead of relying on marketing.
Hang on
The wattage difference in the first comparison is massive..... Why is the Intel only using 30's vs 50's on AMD?
Different CPUs. The AMD one is in a high performance laptop. But later in the video I also compared it to handhelds like the ROG Ally.
@@Hubwood why not limit the AMD laptop to similar tdp for a real comparison then. Both chips are capable of those higher wattages and claiming this is solely a video comparing the gaming performance isn't quite an apples to apples comparison....
@@stephenj37824Not how benchmarks work
@@lenoirx why is that? This is a test between two portable units..... BATRERY LIFE absolutely matters in the real world. He chose two different purposed laptops one more for gaming the other not with two totally different max tdps..... Then says I'm comparing the CPU/GPU performance...... That would be like saying a 350 Chevy in a Corvette makes the 350 superior because you raced it against a 351 in a truck.... Get real
@@lenoirxhe even says like legion Go/ ally vs MSI claw..... 😂 They all have Max wattage of 30
Plus both of those have the equivalent to the 7840u not the 7840hs..... It's a fail across the board.
6:31 gold. I would like this video twice. If there was an option.
😂 Glas someone liked that 😬
Compare the Core Ultra 9’s iGPU, it might be more worth it
Probably zero difference. Same GPU and the cpu isn't the issue here 😅
ryzen 9000 may come out in june with rdna 3.5,rip intel
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I like the voice that the complainers make lol.
😅
😂
Paying more (the Msi claw is the priciest handheld) to have less🤔😂well done
Eta prime has already shown horizon 5 running at very decent fps, double of what you are showing. Think we need to see the devices as and when they're released
Might be the drivers. Though my benchmarks match very much what Jarrods tech measured. So... Might be a laptop / VS / Claw issue...
7735hs vs 155h!
With how cheap ram is its such a shame that they skimp out on it. I am hoping camm2 prices won't be so high we won't see 32gb in the future.
I think something is wrong with your Core ultra 7 machine. Please check.
It's not. It's most likely the drivers. It's behaving like similar laptops. We will see how the msi claw performs.
Junge hast du einen starken Akzent😂
Die einen sagen sie merkens gar nicht, die anderen sofort. So ist das halt 😬
Könnte jetzt auch nen übertrieben anderen Akzent beim Einsprechen aufsetzen, aber des wär auch nix 😎
I don't have high hopes for the claw, this was Intel with 35w-40w getting beaten quite easily by a legion go capped at 30w, when they are unplugged running at 15w, how bad is that Intel chip going to be in the claw...
Currently testing the "small" claw with the 125h. It seems to perform 100% identical to the 125h in this laptop... 🙄
@@Hubwood at what power level?
@@OnlyAnOpinion20 Maximum. 40W. The lowest available power level is 20W 😂 and it's noticeable slower ...
P s. Sorry in this laptop I was using the 155h. I was refering to the other Acer laptop I've tasted in other videos. Mixed that up.
@@Hubwood oh dear, it doesn't bode well for MSI does it, costs more and slower, I know Intel have to start somewhere, but you'd think they would offer a discount to get people on board.
Inaccurate review
Rx 780m pulling 50+ watts
not gonna happen in a handheld
That's why in the second part I compared it to the Z1 in the ROG Ally 😉
The wattage difference could explain the variance. Might be worth setting the TDP to the same with both systems to get a more apples to apples comparison.
Lok at the second part of the video
6:30
@@Hubwoodprobably would have helped if I had gotten that far in the video. Thanks for letting me know. The drivers seem to be Intel’s real issue. Hopefully they can get those working right because they could have a pretty good product if they do. I did order the OneXPlayer X1 because of its form factor and gaming potential. We’ll see how good it ends up as it is my first Intel product since the 7700k, the 2600k was before that. Currently have a 5900hs laptop and a 5800 desktop.
@@christiansta2771 I literally talk about this in the first minute of the video ;) and also mention it in the timeline/Timestamps :p
@@Hubwoodyup. Got that. Not full attention paid, 4 yr old running around.
Is that 65W versus 35W?
Significant power difference. Imagine Intel could use something like 60W and AMD only 35W, the outcome would have been quite a bit different.
Please skip to 6:30.
"Imagine Intel could use something like 60W and AMD only 35W, the outcome would have been quite a bit different."
Imagine you'd have listened to what I said in the beginning and also watched the video until the end ;)
That was “you didn’t see the video until the end”
@@Hubwood Imagine you would simply tell it in the desccription together with the other specs or headline, too difficult for you I have to assume. Better try next time. If you believe everyone is watching your videos from start to end you are deluded.
7940 is ruining at 60W and the 155H is running at 30W. Not a fair comparison I see…
Did you watch the second part of the video?
I also explained this in the beginning of the clip. Just watch the second part ....
@@Hubwood What you should have done. Is locked them both at 30w. It’s is possible to do. The benchmark don’t make sense. Most people will just skip to the performance and say. Ah. Intel is a piece of s***. You should redo the testings in even but a disclaimer in the video title how the wattages are different. It’s misleading
@@nitmare64 i mean intel is still horrible anyway so its not completely wrong
Why is the AMD using so much more power?
Damn Intel graphics still suck although now it is at least comparable to AMD's previous gen :d
If only more companies used AMD CPUs with the 780m in Ultrabooks, most thin and lights use Intel chips.
Yeah... It sux ass....
@@Hubwood The Arc igpu is atleast better than nothing and better than iris
Terrible iGPU performance from intel. That will make AMD to make a small performance uplift for their iGPU performance next time.
Yeah but that was already clear as far as I know. Since the next ryzen will only be a minor improvement over the current Gen.
Damn that looks so bad, I mean if priced less than steamdeck it would good, but more expensinve than that, yeah I may be asking for more, but if that performs similar to the deck, kind of like yrs late dont you think?
Man compare with core ultra 9 its not fair a bit
Doesn't matter. Core ultra 9 has the same iGPU as core ultra 7. And Ryzen 9 has the same iGPU as Ryzen 7
What the heck intel VRAM 6500^ mb ?
it automatically allocated it. The Laptop had no option to do so.
Just look at desktop performance of AMD vs Intel as far as performance vs efficiency goes. Intel very much doesnt come close.
We'll have to wait how the MSI Claw really does...
@@Hubwood no we don't really have to though. We've got the numbers right now. Intel hasn't been making driver advances like they did in the early ARC days. This thing is going to be DOA without a huge battery or OLED screen.
@@davidfaustino4476 DOA?
That's what He said: 😂
czcams.com/video/HTHkKLZDtDc/video.html
@@Hubwood he said it was DOA?? But he also said we'll have to wait and see 👍🤡🤡🤡
@@davidfaustino4476
No no. He said it MIGHT be DOA. ;)
It's complicated with this one.
The Device itself won't probably deliver enough benefits to make it stand out while also being more expensive.
Now if the performance somehow surprises and the price geos down fast.. it might survive though ;)
Amd vram how??
It's the laptop I think. Sth like auto vram size....
one part is running with 35 Watts and the other is running 70 watts ... And do remember that the intel part is still new ... As example the inter 770 in the beginning was slower than 3050 and now with good driver support is as fast as the 3070
See 6:30
@@Hubwood yes .. for now it looks like the AMD part is doing better .... I hope in the next 90 days intel will get better software out in order to challenge AMD to do better ....
@@stanislavshopov85 everybody should hope that 😊
No. The Intel APU is drawing MORE power while also being slower. It's literally right there if you use your eyes and brain.
Well thanks for being polite. I always thought that being disrespectful is the correct way to show how correct you are and how wrong others are. That will teach me not to question stuff.@@davidfaustino4476
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Could you please remain quiet? I can't appreciate the background music with all the talking.
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amd is winner
Kinda ironic, amd win by giving their chip with higher power. Amd consuming 30-50% higher power than intel. Looks like table has turned for them
No. They also win with less power. As you can see in the second half of the video.
This comparision is useless.
First: almost double the power usage is some game. But you compare with the legion go.
I understand what you wanna show/proof, but the result is just a useless comparission from a data perspektive.
How's it useless if even the 30w legion go outperformed the 35w Arc igpu. That is useful for some people obviously.
@@Hubwood It's really useless, other videos of Intel Core Ultra 5 135h (OneXPlayer x1) can reach 80-100 fps running Forza Horizon at 1080p.
DON'T PUT CLAW ON YOUR VIDEO TITLE FOR CLICKBAIT, kinda misleading. Unsubscribed.
Wait for the actual device, That's how desperate you're for the views?
@@chronus5904kk bye!
P. S. If the claw will ACTUALLY be that much faster it's still not useless. It'll show that the name itself means nothing with Intel due to driver issues and bad optimization... 🤷♂️
Also:I said "LIKE" claw. Same cpu. You know? 🤷♂️ Not everybody know, that these are the cpus used in the msi claw.
@@Hubwood Yeah right, super desperate for views. 🤷
this is not arc gpu its iris in disguise lmao
~65W vs ~35W???
RIP Claw
I can only imagine MSI must be able to do magic to somehow pull this off...
@@Hubwood Might be that's why the tests being delayed 'Cuz MSI will replace the iGPU. COPIUM
Not bad for Intel, now it’s playable on igpu
Goodbye Intel, you came you saw and you failed 😂
iGPU of Intel is garbage.
It's indeed Intel integrated garbage producing unit
intel lying about their iGPUs for the n time xd
So, intel still sucks. Looks like I'll be waiting for an ROG Ally 2 or something
Or maybe msi can surprise us. Who knows 🤷♂️
@@Hubwood I hope so, I was really considering getting the MSI Claw as well.
Intel igpu: Intel integrated garbage producing unit
Intel is only good if you match them up with Nvidia, AMD rollin solo😂
poor intel same/worse CPU performance compared to previous gen, can't even catch up to AMD...
The TDP on the AMD is TWICE of that on Intel. That's a horrible way to do comparison.
Watch from 6:30
fake video fake score in games
Yeah... No. Not fake. But keep accusing people for no reason and without any proof. You'll get far 😂
intel is still a loser
Cool! Another fanboy video hoping to mislead the general public. *Thumbs down*
Cool.
You're wrong about that.
I'm not an AMD or intel fanboy but just use whatever suits my needs and had both Ryzen and intel CPUs in the last years while actually using both of them right now in my laptop and my desktop...
Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
> Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption than Intel arc.
How to tell somebody did not watch the entire video ... 7940HS has higher power draw as it has a higher TDP set. The 7840U (Z1 Extreme) uses less power (second part of the video). 6:30 please play from this point, Hubwood already has a answer for you.
Fyi, I have a 7840HS and done extensive testing, reality is beyond 30W there is little to no gain for 780m, as its so bandwidth limited at that point. So you get more massive gains from faster memory, but not from power increases. Your just wasting energy at that point for nothing but more heat and noise.
Tell me that you didn't watch video till the end without telling that you didn't...
@@benjiro8793 so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
@@HDRPCthey're already directly competing the chips at the same power levels, the results are already clear. Stop being so delusional
So you're the one downvoting the video.
Bad boy! Shhhh! 🤌
Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
So compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 (with all updates) against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
You're wrong. Didn't you watch the whole video?
The last 4 games we're recorded on the Lenovo Legion GO which only uses 30W.
literally in this minute you have the comparison 6:30
@@Hubwood
I have watched full video. When MSI Claw will launch globally so Intel will release a new driver to optimize low power performance.
I have seem people talking about a Enbargo product in "X" which will provide better gaming than 7840U while consuming less power than AMD. We will learn soon.
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so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
Another one that didn’t see the video until the end and then part dumb things.
Very impressive for Intel and soon it will beat AMD significantly because Strix point don't have rdna 4.
I really can't see anything impressive here 😂
*Watches a brand new intel chip gets destroyed by a generation old Ryzen chip* "Ah yes, very impressive by intel. Here we see a full sized laptop get wrecked by a handheld. Very promising stuff from intel."
@@TruziTE Wow 780m consumes almost double power Consumption more than Intel arc.
so compare MSI Claw/OneXPlayer X1 with all updates against Legion go/Rog Ally.
Compare console against console.
Compare laptop against laptop.
Compare Core Ulltra 9 185H or if you want to compare Ultra 7 155H so compare it against Ryzen 7 7840Hs.
@@HDRPC please keep copying that comment, as it really helps to push this video for even more people to see! Thanks 😂
@@Hubwood
Thatswhy i am doing. People will understand Intel Arc laptop consumes half power than AMD laptop and AMD is still not two times FASTER than Intel.