High powered DIY eBike MSVA build part 8 - MXUS rebuild, ferrofluid and switches
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- čas přidán 22. 12. 2018
- This is my 3rd build which is now an e-motorbike and no longer a normal e-bike.
It's going to have number plates because I'm putting it through the MSVA.
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You get to see my (sometimes) daily progress and some very 'juicy' and uncut bits that I daren't show here. Also, you'll get my support if you support me!
There's a reason why I'm building it with a removable batter - WEIGHT! Carrying a pushbike up 2 flights of stairs is bad enough but when it weighs in excess of 40kg and you're in your 50's, it really does take its toll.
I won't be listing prices as they change dramatically with China.
Parts shown so far:
VBMS app is available on Google Play play.google.com/store/apps/de...
The wheels are 18x1.6 and come off a CZ250 motorcycle. eBay is full of them - ebay.us/uxpXH8
The tyres are Mitas MC11 2.50-18 www.bits4motorbikes.co.uk/tyre...
The BMS can be bought from ALIExpress s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_A7nh4n
Batteries (LiitoKala Lii-50A) are available from AliExpress s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9z9wSs
Silicone cables www.componentshop.co.uk/cable...
Nickel strip (pure nickel) ebay.us/AB5Zre
ISDT C4 charger I use to balance the cells (video review) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctO6q...
ISDT C4 charger link www.banggood.com/custlink/3GK...
84V 9A Charger s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AnO4Mk
Neutrik Speakon connectors ebay.us/WEyqpo
12G spokes s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_987aMM
Neoprene (50mm x 3mm) amzn.to/2RUNF3d?
Aluminium heat sinks that I use on the BMS www.banggood.com/custlink/mDm...
Items in this video: • High powered DIY eBike...
Item 1 goo.gl/UX5YJd?
Item 2 goo.gl/QnAXty?
Item 3 goo.gl/VTw6xz?
Item 4 goo.gl/8kBzwo?
Item 5 goo.gl/YzyVtp?
Headlights www.banggood.com/custlink/DvD...
The handlebar switches I now use www.banggood.com/custlink/3mv...
Real filament PETG black amzn.to/2TVivGg?
Domino throttle fasterbikes.eu/en/home/298-do...
Carbon fibre - Don't be fooled by cheap eBay sellers. You want it to come in a rolled tube so the weave doesn't get distorted.
1000 x 350mm 2x2 Twill Weave 200gm goo.gl/ 1nxD4D?
1250 x 500mm 2x2 Twill Weave 200gm goo.gl/vUTZsf?
3000 x 1000mm 2x2 Twill Weave 200gm goo.gl/zjjgYR?
Resin & hardener goo.gl/tFW3Su?
Magura MT5e brakes goo.gl/q4UUq3?
Carbon fibre handlebars s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Aeq5ta
Red LED lights www.banggood.com/custlink/Gv3...
The headlight I bought from this seller - don't buy from him because he offer next day delivery but sends it via 2nd class www.ebay.co.uk/usr/originalca...
Horn (black one) goo.gl/r3JSgv?
Horn (multi coloured) goo.gl/unJkzk?
72v to 12v DC-DC converter s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AUyz4C
The 'expensive' motorbike handlebar switches goo.gl/sGzygY?
Indicators ebay.us/PRwEmv
Fork clamps ebay.us/zS8YXr
Rear tail/brake light ebay.us/8Njfyk
Hope V4 Caliper goo.gl/gh8pnt?
Hope vented floating front disc rotor goo.gl/s6EGqA?
Koso EX-02 Speedo bit.ly/2JvMyUr?
Koso GPS module bit.ly/2FvGAz5?
Here's the link to my DIY strobe light www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSeck...
12v 8 channel relay www.banggood.com/custlink/KmK...
Arduino sketch for lights drive.google.com/open?id=1Eyh...
Seat post ebay.us/asJGYt
LED indicator panel lights www.banggood.com/custlink/mKK...
Mirrors ebay.us/gisOD3
Mirror bracket ebay.to/2XJfhYm?
GPS speedometer - 35mph version www.banggood.com/custlink/Gv3...
GPS speedometer - 80mph version www.banggood.com/custlink/K3D...
Waterproof automotive connectors www.banggood.com/custlink/GGm...
30W 9-85v LED headlight www.banggood.com/custlink/DvD...
Side stand s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_AWi4BK
AS150 (Anti-spark) connectors bit.ly/2Khv3qR - Věda a technologie
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Well done & merry christmas to you
Merry Christmas to you too mate.
GreT lights and i like the idea of a horn and indicators. Its all coming together nicely mate. Merry Christmas Tony all the best!
Cheers Gary - the same to you mate.
Tony I just searched Ferrofluid and you video came up!!!! Haha
At least one of my videos comes up in some searches mate 😂
Looking good thanks T.
I love your comments - straight to the point and nothing wasted 😁
Tony I absolutely love the way you present your videos, and as a fellow Brummie I absolutely love the self deprecating nature of your videos (it is what we excell at after all!) I hate this culture of praising oneself for the achievement's of another, keep up these fantastic videos I am learning so much........And Merry Christmas to you and a happy new year.
Why, thank you Sir 😁
If I achieve something, it's normally shite and I take it apart again anyway.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year. to you too mate 👍
@@Vortecks link for heatsink for motor?
Merry Christmas Tony
Cheers mate and the same to you :-)
Seeing that back wheel take shape i am getting scared already lol.
happy Christmas Tony have a cracking time and remember only roast your nuts on the fire not on the tarmac.
Wait until you see the wiring - it's something that even I'm not looking forward to!
I hope you have a nice one mate, thanks for being here :-)
what length spokes did you buy for the real wheel?
that cable tie is going brack :)
hello sir since 1 year now how are the Ferrofluide ? do you had any issue with that ? do you see an improvment in temperature ? :)
I used ferrofluid decades ago on extremely high end, audio equipment. And yes, you could hear a difference. So I have no doubt that it will improve conductivity in a electric motor.
The audio is perfect mate.
It sounded horrible on my PC when I was editing it 😕
Hey Tony, Merry Christmas!, I couldn't find what you used for ferrofluid, is it statoraid?
Another fine video Tony. I noticed you were a little slow on the squeaky toy at 15min but it is indeed your squeakin pocket. Lol.
I got around the dreaded rear exiting wires without scuff but it is tough. Gen3 1950s bike road test good. Will be posting concise video overview on weekend. I also just ordered the tame 45A sabvoton to have my push button regen brake enabled. Your a bad influ I mean good influence the BSA 441 is almost ready for assembly as well. 45mph on 26" bicycle wheels is.....enlightening but I will stick to my RT100 for speeds like that.
What type of ferrofluid did you use? Statorade, EFH1, something else?
Hey Tony. Quick thought, may be better to use epoxy not a solvent based glue to pot the switches...the solvent will have nowhere to evaporate to, and might even melt the plastic of the switch over time...
You're probably right mate. The insulator is PVC and it won't do it much good but these are cheap Chinese crappy switches - the mechanism will break before the insulator does 😂
Hi just wondering were can i buy the ferrofluid
Whai is about your bms app, does it finished?
8ml.. seems to be about the amount use reading though ES notes on it.
So you might want to add a bit more..
Yes, given the big size of that big motor, he should just squeeze a good 8 ml FF into the magnets. The FF will spread itself out evenly.
Thank you both - I'll be adding some more 👍
where did you buy the led twin lights from i want some, great informative video, i wish they were all like this instead of 30 min videos with 1 minute of actual content.
Where in the UK can you but the right Statorade ferrofluid from please
grin tech is very reliable and has 2 different ones i believe
You might try making the switches at least water resistant by applying some non-conductive grease or something to the inside of the switch. Must be some electrical material specific for this purpose. I have seen UV activated glue applied to connections that works pretty well. Another CZcamsr has done this for items he leaves outside to the elements and it keeps the circuits dry and working fine.
Just ordered some for my motor because it gets pretty warm as it is and I'm increasing the power next week
I hope you ordered the proper ferrofluid and not the chepaer stuff that's safe for kids to use. I know you probably haven't, but I have known quite a few people who wanted to save some money and regretted it 😁
@@Vortecks which one you recomed?
@@Vortecks
Which one do you use sir? I'd love to know. There's the one grin tech sells.
Or how can you identify quality ferrofluid?
@@Mash3OH3 I always use statorade from Grin. If you're in Europe, you can buy it from fasterbikes.eu - that's where I buy mine from. Don't use the cheap stuff which is normally sold as EFH1 that they use in schools, it doesn't use suitable lubricant as the base, it's some food friendly oil they use.
@Vortecks but does the statorade work well? Like will I get a huge performance boost? Plus better heat dissipation?
I'm sure that glue like UHU glue from poundland 😂 toasty bollocks 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey Tony, with over-volting the motor, especially with the specs you are trying to achieve, are you concerned about demagnetising the magnets?
It's always a risk, but ferrofluid and hubsinks combined make for awesome cooling performance. I don't think he's in much danger.
I don't worry about anything until it happens. Maybe it will blow it, maybe it won't..... I'm more concerned about the axle than the windings.
Is statorade by itself sufficient? Ive noticed you have the hub sinks. Does that set up work and work well?
Was thinking of getting both statorade and hub sinks
It all depends on how hard you're going to push things. Statorade bridges the air gap between the stator and magnets and it helps with heat transfer. The hubsinks then take that heat and dissipate it quicker than it would normally take. If I were you, I'd start with Statorade and see how things go, it's a cheaper option and you might not even need the hubsinks.
@Vortecks
Yeah I'm looking to bring the amps back up to 45 on my controller.
Currently I lowered the amps to 36. All to lower Temps. Slightly longer range and battery life. So far.
But I want back my torque/acceleration lol
Hi what voltage do the lights go up to
Hi Nick, those lights operate from 9v all the way up to 85v.......
do you have a link to the fluid, of can I use any type ?
Watch this and all will be revealed mate 😉 czcams.com/video/lMMwNNdxtXw/video.html
@@Vortecks cheers. there must be other options.
hey there a youtuber with the name GreatScott, has released a video about ceramic litium bateries, these seem to be less powerful yet way safer and they seem to be able to be bent into odd shapes
5 mins in reminds me of back to the future when he injects the plutonium is it?
I use plutonium in all my builds :-)
@@Vortecks great scott !
wont fall off but you will lose the disk break off the rear and have huge vibration off motor
I need HELP... no I don't need to be taken to mental hospital lol I've led indicators on back of me bike wired up fine bright as anything when I wire up the front ones the flash fast so I put a resistor on and they flash normal but it's not as bright as back now it's 26 ohms so can I put a 10 ohm one on and it still flash the same speed and will it be brighter than back its like 10% lower brightness to the back ones.
Just get a flasher relay designed to be used with LEDs. No need for power wasting dropper resistors
^^^^ What Rob said or you can mess around with resistors. Personally, I'd have used an Arduino to control everything but that's just me :-)
Can we use any ferrofluid?
No, you can't use cheap stuff that they use for school projects which is usually marked as EFH ferrofluid.
you would just lose your rear break iv had mine fall off my other motor once from getting grease in the holes by accident. it was a geared hub motor
"Toasty bollocks"😂
how long the ferrofluid lasts in the engine?
its permanent, once you put it in it will stay forever unless you dont seal the motor tight enough when putting it back together
Hi just wondering where do you buy that ferrofluid
What is the purpose of the ferrofluid?
I mean it's basically iron filings (very tiny) suspended in oil. It kind of seems like a bad idea to put a conductive fluid into an electric motor?
oh nm, unpause and there it is, the answer.
But still, isn't there a normal oil that would get the job done? I mean I get that the ferrofluid will stick to the magnets, but so would normal oil because it's a rotating part.
Oh well, if it works it ain't stupid, But I'd be a bit cautious about conductive stuff in an electric motor. ;)
Oh and,, Loving it! It's gonna be awesome.
Your assumptions are guesswork. Here it is explained very well:
www.ebikes.ca/product-info/statorade.html
People have used regular oil, for example ATF, for cooling hub motors. The problem is, you need a lot more than 8ml to get decent cooling because it's being flung about, and because it's being flung about, it tends to escape from the motor over time. And since you need to use so much, there's a lot of viscous drag.
Ferrofluid stays put, right where it's needed, and you only need a tiny amount. So it cools well, it doesn't escape, and it has negligible drag.
I will add to this that I am resident in Namibia a country that sees mid to high 40*C temps, with a 200% improvement in cooling efficiency that is a high priority when it comes to high power machines...
@@MysticalDork fair enough.
I installed statorade and I can report that it changed the way I ride my electric bike. I can push my bike hard and max throttle longer and the stator would only get warm ish.
I was able to bump the amps back up to 45amps maximum. I had it set to 36amps due to overheating.
But the statorade is a definite game changer.
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This season please take five mins to check your flesh nuts!
If in doubt, seek a doctor out as cancer is still a killer!
Hang on.... I'll check and get back to you :-)
Nothing wrong with the audio, its your ears 😛
In comparison to my previous videos, it's awful. I had to cut a lot of the video out because the bass and treble were everywhere!
5:00 :)))))))))))
Why don’t you just buy an electric scooter ?
Good luck finding one that can match this monster's performance.
Ryan Willis how about a 125cc scooter ?
no scooter or 125 could come close to this thing, you'll be looking for second and it'll be,........ Gone!
Gap Recordings Namibia how fast are you expecting this thing to go ?
@@Gadgetdad007 dude, V2 topped out @ 73Mph......... and that was at 15Kw with 66V now it's up to 84V with 26 odd Kw............... What do you think? As seeing as speed is directly coupled to voltage........
Another fine video Tony. I noticed you were a little slow on the squeaky toy at 15min but it is indeed your squeakin pocket. Lol.
Oops, I've only just noticed. Sorry about that mate.
I always release these a week early to my Patreon supporters and they don't mind a bit of swearing :-)