The Dark History of Football's Forgotten Giant
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- Bayern Munich is not the first club to dominate Germany, but the history of the first club that showed such dominance is complicated. It was in the heart of a Germany that was under the iron curtain, where sports was a tool and the league was… less than honest with the way results were decided.
This club also stole an entire roster from another club. If you think MK Dons was bad, this would light the current world on fire. I kind of hope it happens, but not for that one club, because that would be terrible to lose your team. Anyways, watch the video, it is maybe the best we’ve ever done.
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My mom is from East Berlin and according to her being a Dynamo Berlin fan was the easiest way to make yourself a permanent outsider. Granted she is from Köpenick (the part of the city where Union is from), it might not have been as extrem in the whole city but Dynamos unpopularity is hard to overstate.
It was a very bad idea from the state. Neither the club nor the national team really became competitive it only made the government more despised. The Roman emperors knew already that „bread and games“ keep the people happy but when the games don’t serve as a distraction from politics but reinforce the hatred of the political establishment it becomes problematic.
Your mom is from the BEST part of Berlin! UNVEU
Well said brother
That's not really true, football clubs from East Germany and the national team itself were actually decently competitive in european and international competitions.
(The East germans won the only match they played against West Germany in the '74 WC Qualifiers funnily enough).
They were of course nowhere near the level of West Germany but they weren't atrocious.
@@MrCensury At the club level there were some moderate successes, Dynamo reached the quarterfinals of the European Cup twice but the prime was before and at the beginning of Dynamos domestic dominance with Magdeburg winning the Cup Winners Cup in 1974 and Jena reaching the final in 1981. Instead of creating a super team in Dynamo Berlin that could reach for the stars, the overall competitiveness decreased during their reign.
The national team has a similar story: It had its prime in the 70s, before Dynamos rise. 1974 was the most successful year here too. They didn’t beat West Germany in the qualifiers but at the actual World Cup in West Germany but that was the only time they ever even qualified. The Dynamo Berlin era didn’t feature a single appearance at the WC, so I think that justifies calling it not really competitive. The only real success of the national team was at the Olympics but that barely counts because the Eastern Block Nations (all of them, not just the GDR) cheated the system by having their best players be officially amateurs and therefore eligible to play despite being de-facto professionals.
There was no such "idea from the state". The only ideas of that kind were the introduction of the privileged football clubs (FC) in 1965-66, among which Union was included, and the introduction of focus clubs in the early 1970, which were given additional privileges (more funding, priority in terms of player delegations , more youth coaches and more places at their affiliated Children and Youth Sports Scools (KJS)). But there were several football clubs and focus clubs. Different politicians and officials had their different favorite teams. Union was once the favorite team of SED Politburo member Herbert Warne. Warnke was the Head of the FDGB. Warne thus ensured that the Union received support from the FDGB. When Warne died in 1975, Harry Tisch became the new head of the FDGB. Tisch instead liked Hansa Rostock. And so Tisch saw to it that the FDGB supported Hansa Rostock instead of Union. The real reason for BFC Dynamo's dominance is the sports association SV Dynamo. SV Dynamo (unlike most other sports associations) was allowed to remain when the DTSB was founded in 1957. BFC Dynamo was a football club of SV Dynamo. (Most other football clubs would be "civilian clubs" under the DTSB, such as Union. The DTSB was in turn controlled by the SED Cental Committte. The Head of the DTSB Manfed Ewald was not a friend of SV Dynamo President Erich Mielke.) SV Dynamo ran sports communities (SG) and training centers (TZ) all over East Germany. BFC Dynamo was able to benefit from SV Dynamo's extensive youth work. The club was able to recruit young talent from 38 training centers, located in several regional districts of East Germany . Most of these training centers (30+) belonged to SV Dynamo.(SG Dynamo Dresden also got big advantages from SV Dynamo). Union could only recruit young talents from 6 training centers in the Berlin area.
"the only club that can hold a candle to Bayern Munich's dominance at any time is just another local club now"... this needs to be remembered by every fan today
BFC Dynamo will never be known as just another local club no matter how many times you tell yourself that.
This reminds me the story of Dukla Prague. The czechs who were good at football basically had a choice, either join Dukla or join the Army
Wish you wouldve talked about Magdeburg being the only east-german team that actually WON an international trophy in 1974, wich is basically a miracle that the whole city is still dreaming of 50 seasons later. After the DDR government actually banned the coach for not preparing the players well enough for the olympics, the club fell into a crisis. It obviously got even worse with the reunification, but 22/23 was Magdeburgs most succesful season since the reunion as they finished 11th in the 2.Bundesliga. Would love a video about my hometown Zealand
Sounds like a very interesting story
RIP Lutz Eigendorf, the player who defected from Dynamo Berlin to the West in 1979 and openly criticised the DDR in the Western media as he played for Kaiserslautern and later Braunschweig in the Bundesliga. Eigendorf died in 1983 in a car accident under suspicious circumstances. Ever since then there has been speculation - no proof though - that he was killed by the Stasi, with one former agent claiming after reunification that Mielke had in deed ordered his assassination.
What did he expect? Talk about stupidity. It's like stealing the wealth of Russia as an oligarch then going to the west and talking crap about Russia all day every day. You are asking the KGB to come for you.
Never ask a Bayern fan their logo between 1939-1945
Was it the nazi logo
In all fairness, we used to have a jewish president who had to flee because of the nazis which lead to nazi leadership and the logo change. After WW2 we changed back to that same jewish president
@@maximayr9297 a lot of clubs had the swastika the Germans thought If there Jews they where evil. Hitler and the Nazis liked 1860 Munich
Never talk about it if you don’t know Why we had to change it
@@Zidane7395 the changed it as after the war as US appointed government in that zone wanted gone with all nazi symbols, art and all that the only thing that was still around was Hitler stamps for letters
Thank you for covering this chapter of german football! There are a lot of crazy stories.
For example when our club Hansa Rostock was playing poorly sometime in the mid 80s. One game was terrible in particular and a local powerful SED politician (while being extremely drunk) ran down in the dressing room at half time to sack the coach and kind of put himself in charge.
They got absolutely clattered in the second half.
If you want to learn more of these absurd stories, feel free to hit us up Zealand! We love your channel and would love to contribute to these type of videos 🫡
Another one. The Stasi had wiretapped the lounge of the hotel in Dresden where Bayern Munich held their pre-match meeting before the match against Dynamo Dresden in 1973. The Stasi then sent a message with information about FC Bayern Munich's lineup by motorcycle at high speed to Dynamo Dresden coach Walter Fritzsch before the match .
You should do a video on the BSG Chemie Leipzig championship run in the DDR Oberliga in 1964. Players were (as you mentioned) assigned to teams, talent was supposed to be concentrated to create teams potentially able to compete in continental cups and so on. In the case of the city of Leipzig, basically the best of Leipzig were sent to 1. FC Lokomotive Leipzig and the rest of Leipzig (as the saying goes) played for the BSG Chemie. Nonetheless, under the direction of coach Alfred Kunze, they managed to win the league in 1963/1964 - we're going into the jubilee season here, folks. Come on, Zealand!
I will say, the way East German teams were "integrated" into West Germany's football pyramid also contributed heavily to the destruction of many East German teams. Even so, I didn't know this story so thank you!
@@UwU-pk6nvit’s definitely only East Germany’s fault
@@ChrisHockman Well... partly I guess.
But it's more the fault auf the Soviets.
With their -mental illness- political direction they created an environment that desperately needed but did not have any money (so: Mission failed on several stages which is almost Impressive).
When Germany got together again clubs in the west had a bit of money, clubs in the east did not.
So the West teams started to scout in the former GDR and made offers and the East teams either died out of principle ("We won't sell!") or they sold for low sums because the desperation was big.
We could have "helped" them stay competitive, but at the end of the day we aren't Americans, we socialize healthcare not professional sports.
@@UwU-pk6nvit's so good that simpletons get the same voice as everyone else on CZcams 👍
The BFC dominance has really hurt our East German football to this day. I was born way after the fact, but we feel the effects still. Many clubs in the GDR were transplanted, Hansa Rostock for example was a club that was founded, as Empor Rostock, in 1965 by taking players from Saxony. Now, the club is the biggest Football club in East Germany after Union and next to Dynamo Dresden, definitely in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Glad that someone shed some light on the GDR-Football, love you for this
U forgot RBL :P
I think a way larger problem with east german football today is that its so heavily instrumentalized by the right wing. Dynamo and rostock being one of the worst offenders.
@@lausymaus9856 Rostock's fanbase is fighting against it, even though it is not that visible. Trust me, as a Rostock fan myself, the South managed to get one of the largest Nazi sections out of the South stand. Sadly they are still very present on away games.
Red Bull Leipzig is not an East German Club in the sense of former GDR clubs. That would be Lokomotive and Chemie Leipzig who both play in the Regionalliga Nordost (4th division). But they are profiting of the vacuum left after the GDR clubs fell down sadly.
@@lausymaus9856 Not BFC Dynamo.
Did you know that in the 1980s it happened that Union (and Dresden) supporters chanted "Jewish pigs" at BFC Dynamo.
@@lausymaus9856 Lazy reporting to say BFC Dynamo are full of right wing people, it's just not true now especially within their youth sections 🙂
I took them back to their winning ways on FM a few years ago as I thought Berlin deserved a proper team and wanted to create a berlin rivalry with Union, knew a little about their dodgy past but cool to see a proper video on them.
I hope they never come back! Just play as Union, they have a rivalry with Red Bull because they bought a team in Leipzig.
TeBe Berlin is the better team to bring up
I think Tasmania deserves a second chance in the Bundesliga after the 1965/66 season… ;-)
All top clubs in East Germany were tied to the SED regime in one way or another. (The SED was the ruling communist party.) Also Union was part of the system. The founding of Union (the founding of football club 1. FC Union Berlin in 1966) was organized by SED politician Hans Modrow (later East German prime minister). And the SED Politburo member Paul Werner held a speech at the founding. All positions on the board of Union were held by SED functonaries or directors of state-owned factories. Union was the favourite club of the SED leadership in East Berlin. Union was state funded and all decision in the club had to be reported to the DTSB. The DTSB was in turn controlled by the SED Central Committee. The current President of Union Dirk Zingler made his military service with the Stasi Guard's Regiment "Feliks E. Dzierzynski". He was a SED member and also a leader in the FDJ (the youth movement of the SED). I have no comment at all on Zingler's past. I am not from East Germany. So who am I to judge? He says he only wanted to do his military service in Berlin (but you couldn't just choose the guard's regiment, the Stasi only picked people they thought were fit to serve with the regiment, that is: people they thought were loyal to the line). But when his past became known, the Union's spokesperson Christian Arbeit said: "We do have a very unique history, compared to other clubs. But it wasn't us that always claimed we were this big anti-Stasi club. These are stories that get simplified in the media."
@@ErikF054 when Herbert Warnke (head of FDGB) died in 75 and Tisch took over Union fell out of favour and Hansa Rostock became favourites. Union was on struggle street after 75.
What a well thought out, researched and executed video! 🤩 Awesome job!
I study contemporary history at university and this sort of thing is exactly what I would like to make my master's degree about. Thank you for giving me inspiration and ideas, and keep up the good work Z!
I am really enjoying these random stories you tell. Keep it up
The GDR actually won the European Cup Winner's Cup through 1. FC Magdeburg in 1974.
Similar situation was everywhere in east Europe. In my country army club, Legia Warsaw used similar tactic of stealing players from other teams.
To expand on this: Legia used the fact it was a military run club and drafted players from other teams to a mandatory 2 year military service. The footballers were given a choice - either 2 y in the military or 2 y playing for Legia. Like you can imagine, players wanted to play rather than running in mud with a rifle...
@@Robi2009 more or less the same situation in Romania with Steaua Bucharest
@@csattila73Dinamo Bucharest was worse, the secret communist police's team. The players were threatened with death or that their family would suffer if they did not join the club.
BFC Dynamo didn't steal players from other teams in the leage. That is a myth. The only major transfers to BFC Dynamo from other teams during its most sucessful period were Reinhard Lauck from Union in 1973 (who was active until 1980), Hartmut Pelka from Chemie Leipzig in 1977, Frank Pastor from HFC Chemie in 1984 and Thomas Doll from Hansa Rostock in 1986. Four transfers... And all those transfers came from teams that had been relegated to the second tier DDR-Liga. Hardly sensational. (I do not count two or three transfers from BSG Energie Cottbus in the 1970s, as Cottbus belonged to the catchment area that BFC Dynamo had been assigned at the time of its foundation in 1966. All football clubs (FCs) were assigned such catchment areas.) BFC Dynamo went through the entire 1982-83 DDR-Oberliga undefeated. Key-players in the team during the season were were Bodo Rudwaleit, Christian Backs, Rainer Troppa, Frank Rohde, Frank Terletzki, Hans-Jürgen Riediger, Norbert Trieloff, Artur Ullrich, Michael Noack, Ralf Sträßer and Rainer Ernst. All these players came via the club's own youth teams, apart from Troppa and Noack who had come from BSG Energie Cottbus in 1976 and 1974. (It should be mentioned that BSG Energie Cottbus had been relegated to the second tier DDR-Liga at the time when Troppa and Noack were recruited by BFC Dynamo. So not even here, did BFC Dynamo recruit players from rival teams in the DDR-Oberliga.)
great research and story. Big ups to the editor. Well done!
Hey Zealand! The "Ä" is not an "A", it's pronounced like the first "e" in "where". "Vorwärts" is more pronounced like "For-where-ts"
Otherwise loveley and interesting video as always, never knew much about east German football :)
Fun fact, there were two clubs called Dynamo Berlin for a short time: SC Dynamo Berlin, the one that got transferred from Dresden and SG Dynamo Berlin, formed out a former club from nearby Potsdam. SG Dynamo mostly played in 2nd or 3rd tier. However, it renamed itself to SG Dynamo Hohenschönhausen and became the unofficial farm team for SC Dynamo. When the GDR decided to professionalize football, SC Dynamo Berlin became BFC Dynamo Berlin and SG Dynamo Hohenschönhausen became the official 2nd team for BFC.
also I'd recommend HITC SEVENS video about it? He comes at it from other angles about how East German clubs got shafted after the fall of the Berlin wall. The way they divided the unified german league after that was massively political.
Great content!
Excellent clip fella ✊
These videos are the best Z!
Great Video!
Thanks Zealand, that was a superb history lesson. thoroughly enjoyed that. many thanks. Can you play as them on FM23??
Football behind iron curtain was wild, polish league has a story about one team that isn't crazy enough and is straight forward that i don't think it will make it to Z's video (maybe shorts). Basically to this day, whole country hates this club to this day as it is still in top flight. What was happening is whenever team had "wonderkid" (on polish standards) or player had really good season, he was called in for duty in army to warsaw, and then he could choose to either have his training (couple of years) or play for team owned by military. So Legia Warszawa was stealing every good player from league which made them most succesful team in that era. To this day everyone outside of capital hates them.
great video zealand!
Great video
I had no idea about this, incredibly interesting.
This is incredibly interesting I didn’t know any of this
Thanks for a great video. My son's team will face BFC Dynamo in their U10 league in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to it
Hope he plays fair and is not influenced by this superficial video. Nur der BFC!
Nice vid Zea, a Red Star vid would be similarly fascinating. I'm 48 and for a brief period they were still the most delicious side I've ever seen in my life. Prime Barca?...nope.
And if it hadn't been for the war, Yugoslavia would have swept all before them in Euro 92.
if there hadnt been a war Red Star themselves wouldve won multiple European cups in a row. In 1991/92 with half of their team sold and countless sanctions from Uefa coz of war they were still 1 game away from final vs Barcelona at Wembley. For some rzn Savicevic red card from Intercontinental cup counted for europe, and Red Star werent even allowed to play home games that season by Uefa, they were forced to play "home games" in small stadiums in Bulgaria and Hungary. If they played in Belgrade im certain they wouldve defeated Sampdoria and went to Wembley instead. Not to mention if war didnt happen they wouldve also brought in Šuker,Jarni, even Bokšić if i recall correctly. Add to that that Prosinecki,Sabanadzovic and all others wouldve stayed had there not been war and now imagine that team
@@dzemilmehovic5271 Yes, but Croatia need to clean a name from "NDH" related abd the best way to do it was exit from Yugoslavia. Because Yugoslavia surely wouldn't clean Croatia name.
@@dzemilmehovic5271 Croatia also need more recognition for common success what Yugoslavia couldn't offer and deliver.
@@markocroatia7630 who tf mentioned Croatia now? u feel better now or what?
@@markocroatia7630 i dont give a fuck abt NDH or whatever you just wrote, no one cares
BFC Dynamo...they dominated when my dad was stationed in West Germany in the 80's. They were the talk of both leagues. What was even more amazing, at least to me, was that during the 80's, they had more than a few good plays defect to Western teams, and yet they just plugged in another player and kept on winning. Because of their background though (financial and political), they were not prepared for or set up for success when the leagues merged.
That's not true, name all the players who defected in the 80s, i bet you cant 🙂
@@pauljohnston435 Eigendorf, Gotz, Schlegel, were the big ones. Dynamo had one of the best youth systems at the time, and more often than not their replacements, Thom for example, proved to be just as good as those who left.
@@FMJellico That's two from the 80s
@@FMJellico Yes they did indeed have one of if not the best youth system in the DDR, hence why my original point about it being a lot more than just Stasi Favouritism that led to their success, to be fair to BFC they still have a cracking youth set up for the size of the club.
@@pauljohnston435 I can't remember if Gotz was late 70's or early 80's. They all left during international competitions IIRC.
Wow, i was not expecting that thumbnail to be from your channel, Z.
Retired player Andre Gumprecht grew up in East Germany and says that it helped him be a strong player. Because all he had to do was train
In other words, Mielke was using the FM editor in real life
Well, considering the way Union Berlin has ascended in the last couple of years I can only say justice has been served
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Leipzig also
@@Sabo__90 Red Bull is from Austria and has nothing to do with East German football history
@@EisernRob It's strongest club in East Germany tho🤷
@@Sabo__90 it’s not a club. It’s a revenue raising marketing company for Red Bull. A company that Union have beaten in their last 4 league games.
Edit: Red Bull tricked their way into owning a club in 2009 by exploiting a loop hole so they had nothing to do with the former East Germany. If you want your statement to be correct you would need to say: strongest (even though Union keep beating them) marketing company in the eastern part of Germany. Why anyone would want to talk about Red Bull in a video about former East Germany 🤷♂️
Great video but I think you have put the wrong sources in the description they're about the ligue 2
Great video! What kit is that youre wearing? It's amazing!
Forward Madison - USL (not MLS)
But East Germany actually did well in the Olympics in soccer, though. The Iron Curtain countries actually dominated Olympics soccer between WWII and the 1980s. Go and check. You'll be shocked at who was winning the Olympics soccer medals in that period!
Well east Germany was democratic west Germany communist with more restrictions
National Football Associations prolly didnt care much about Olympic Football as compared to the World Cup.
I mean it really isn't shocking, the Olympics didn't allow professional footballers to play, but the eastern bloc found a way to have them be effectively professionals, dedicating their whole life to their sport, while technically being workers of the railways, or state police or sometimes even being employed as coaches, but not as athletes
When the economy is centralized you can easily employ the players in the team you want them to be and say it's a job in the company they're officially employed by
yeah, not surprising. They were playing against amateur players at that time.
East Germany did actually have a decent team in the 1970's - they qualified for the World Cup finals in 1974 (held in West Germany) & they won their 1st round group after they beat West Germany 1-0 - I can still remember the only goal by a guy called Sparwasser late on.
Not sure about the rest of the world but we loved that in England! 😁
Unfortunately, they came up against Brazil & Holland in the Second Round group and they came 3rd in the group - top 2 qualified for the Semi Finals.
You really need to cut it out with that TV transition and the high pitched sound. Gonna give a boy tinnitus
Shout-out to Forward Madison! Love that shirt! I have the 'drip' shirt, it's one of my favorites 😊😊
Love the Forward Madison kit
Shoutout to Steaua Bucharest of Romania for getting actual european silverware despite no big investment whatsoever(while in a communist country).
Unless I am much mistaken the original Steaua Bucharest which won the European Cup in 1986 was the football arm of the Romanian Army. So I would guess they had whatever resources they needed.
@@stevedaytona When they won the European Cup in 1986, the president of the club was Valentin Ceaușescu(Ceaușescu's eldest son). Meanwhile, there rivals Dinamo Bucharest had the minister of Interior on their side, basically the police, secret services etc..
@@stevedaytona they are still owned by the military these days. The players aren't soldiers (they have foreign players after all), but the ministry of defence owned them. They are in the second tier of Romanian football now.
I hope they can win the League this year.
They did incredible Transfers and the Energy behind the Coach, Team, Staff etc is amazing.
I am Supporting BFC Dynamo and tbh, yes the history is… i would say Crazy.
But the Club learned from its misstakes and they are doing a good job now with a right way.
Anyways, great Video!! 🇱🇻
2:25 small correction, Yugoslavia wasn't part of the Warsaw pact, but rather was neutral, thus wasn't on either side of the Iron curtain.
I sent a SYS with this team on FM22. This is a great story!
As someone with a large collection of East German football programmes, loved this telling of the story, albeit I appear to be 6 months late to the party 😅
BFC Dynamo sounds like a very interesting challenge and rebuild project in FM23.
Brilliant video, well told and very balanced.
Was wearing the Forward Madison jersey intentional considering the Vorwaerts ("forward" in German) mention?
Who would have known Zealand is a history buff.
Me at the start of this video: Oh, this could be a fun FM24 save.
Me at the end of this video:.... yeah nah, I'm good
To be fair, they didn't really steal Dynamo Dresden's team, officially all Dynamo players, be it from Dresden, Berlin, Leipzig or whatever town were Stasi employees, they were really not amateur except in name, as you said, but it really was a simple move between two precints rather than a club move (of course it really wasn't, but who cares about supporters when you can have that sweet propaganda glory)
The false amateurism is also why so many teams in the east have similar names like CSKA which are usually army teams or Lokomotiv for railway teams. I think most Spartas and Spartaks were linked to popular unions but still ended up being dominated by the government when it was convenient (EDIT: I think this Spartak thing was more of a Soviet thing than eastern thing; it really doesn't apply to Sparta Prague who were founded 130 years ago and Czechoslovakia kept most of its traditional clubs as far as I can see)
Dynamos were, you guessed it, liked to police forces
In Yugoslavia and Socialist Croatia Hajduk was presented as peoples' club and Dibamo as Croatian. But now ehen you mention police club I wonder why Yugoslav elites didn't clarify Dinamo Zagreb as Yugoslav "police" club. 😕🤔🧐 (Zvezda, Serbia was political party's club and Partizan, Serbia was military's club.)
Agree. And how did SG Dynamo Dresden get their place in the DDR-Oberliga and their great team to begin with? SG Dynamo Dresden (then Volkspolizei Dresden) got a place in the DDR-Oberliga after the authorities had forcibly dissolved SG Friedrichstadt in 1950. Volkspolizei Dresden only played in lower local divisions at this time and thus got a place in the firs-tier DDR-Oberliga without having to progress through divisions. (If the popular SG Friedrichstadt had remained as, let's say, a civilian football club, I doubt that Dynamo Dresden would have become as big a club as it did.) In order for Volkspolizei Dresden to have a chance in the DDR-Oberliga, the team was reinforced with 17 players from 11 different Volkszpolizei teams in East Germany, who were delegated to Dresden. Volkspolizei Potsdam lost their five best players and were severly weakened. Volkspolizei Dresden became SG Dynamo Dresden in 1953.
I understand what you're trying to do with these football history videos, there's only so much fm content you can consistently create. Can I suggest. Making this a series/playlist of its own? Similar to the save our saves. Love your content. Just not as much interested in history football. So making it its own series/playlist allows you to amass a consistent football history following.
I disagree. I think you’re in the tiny minority. Who watches videos about obsessive playing of a football manager simulator but doesn’t have any interest in football history? Very few I’d say. FM is for BIG football fans and the vast majority of football fans are interested in important history of the game.
would like to know witch jersey you wear in your videos.
maybe in the info under the video :)
There's a terrible high pitched sound in effect when you play the older clips Zea, maybe look into that? I don't think anyone over 45 is hearing it but anyone under should definitely
that's age line is just random as fck
Best era for many eastern European countries was during communist times with Serbia and Romania winning european top competitions in the 80s. These teams were usually also 'stealing' players to build the best possible team practically leading to be forming a national team within club competitions.
You should do a video on a video on fisher fc 😮
Very interesting.
the part about eastern germany teams might be true, however the reason behind Berlin not being a city represented at a top level in the Bundesliga mostly boils down to the insane incomptency of Hertha BSC. Burning mountains of money to actually get worse over time.
Now actually do a part two explain the actual dark history of Bayern?
I don't know if your shirt was a coincidence but Vorwärts, that other DDR club's name, means Forward in German 🙂
Hmm, I guess Man City, PSG and Newcastle are taking notes from BFC Berlin.
hope those agency cheques are big
it is like in football manager the player just keep save and load, transfer footballers with editor and won everything possible every year XD
Love that your talking about BFC Dynamo, one of my favourite saves I've ever done back on FM19. I didn't steal an entire team though!
Cool to see Willem van Hanegem at 3:03
I see that Forward Madison Jersey
One small quibble: In the 1930s, Schalke 04 was arguably just as dominant as Bayern today or Dynamo Berlin back then - the only reason they didn't win the German Championship every year for that decade was that it was not a league, but a cup at the time, which means it has inherently more variance. Between 1932 and 1942, they made the final nine times in ten years, winning it six times. If you compare that to Bayern in the DFB Cup in this decade, they made the final four times and won it four times. So 1930s Schalke might actually have been the team in German history which was most above the competition in quality.
Oh! It's like Olympiacos in Greece!
It’s nice when a club change their image from an authoritarian state run regime and then an extreme right-wing fringe club to a family and community focused club with no politics involved at all
Saying less than 40 years since their last title makes me feel well old as I was 1 when they did that
I thought when he said dynamo it’s was dynamo Dresden in liga3
The football history videos are amazing! Keep it up! I watched some stuff after this video and it turns out that referee in the game between Dynamo and Leipzig made the right call. Its hard to see in that perspective but the player who fell was clearly pushed. Doesnt mean it gave other shenanigans.
the video is in german and in the end the referee himself is talking but there is a different angle in it where you can clearly see that player was pushed: czcams.com/video/59babMbIEZY/video.html
Funfact, all Dynamo teams were all funded by the Stasi, so dynamo Dresden was also a Stasiverein.
Stasi Major General Horst Böhm (the head of the Stasi in Bezirk Dresden in the 1980s) was a big fan of Dynamo Dresden.
Its kind of sad that the 4. League north east devision now holds basically all traditional east german clubs. At least the classic derbies of the time are still possible though.
Cottbus almost made it back to 3. Liga where there’s Dresden and Halle, Hansa and Magdeburg in the 2. Bundesliga and then Union in the Bundesliga. I think they’re slowly on the road to recovery 🤞…it’s only taken 40 years!
Don't forget Aue in the 3. Liga. @@EisernRob
their fans are so annoying. My local clib, VfB Oldenburg played them in the promotion playoffs for 3. Liga last season and the BFC fans shot flares into the section me and my friends stood in and some people were almost hit. Then the police came and stood right in front of their section and the BFC fans threw toilet paper at them. And after my local was relegated this year there were tons of comments on insta posts saying that the relegation was deserved and that our club is shit and so on.
BFC Fans are also extremely rough when it comes to actual violence. You can't let them close to others.
actually looked at their wikipedia today
Where are the tips/tutorial videos!?
Small note for you Z; the GDR was not a part of the Iron curtain, as that is not possible; the iron curtain was a name for the political boundary between western (non-soviet) and eastern (Warsaw pact, soviet satellite) Europe, with the only actual physical part of it that existed being the Berlin Wall. As a history buff, I know you'd appreciate being informed of any minor slip ups you make! 1:48
@@klopp9000 as I explained in my first comment, the iron curtain was a metaphorical divider in central Europe, it wasn't a group of countries or a geopolitical area
2:18 Whats happen to Belgian, and did france just anex Luxembourg?
Got to do 10 in a row with them in an FM save. 😂
That would take like 30 in game years to do xdd.
@@valitsemllaluokanavahyvaks3556 yes.
Same happened in Romania with Steaua(army and the team of Valentin one of Ceausescu’s sons) and Dinamo Bucharest, they were the teams of (Army and Police) they stole a lot of players and a lot of titles, and the communist regime put Rapid Bucharest(the peoples team) for 10 years in 2nd division, they had 50.000 people in the stands on the playoff for the 1st division in 1980. And as well happened to other teams, the players were arrested or beaten until they couldn’t play against one of those 2 teams. The players were forced to move to one of those 2 or they joined the teams for military grades. Its a lot behind. The fans of the other teams even said that the ECC cup that Steaua won in 1986 was paid for so it could be the Star on the communists regime.
Text "chants which occasionally led to arrests"
Voice "chants that obviously led to MASS arrests"
Wat
You think MK Dons (controversially) stealing Wimbledon's identity is bad? BFC Dynamo's cheating their way to 10x DDR-Oberliga titles would put MK's heinous actions to the absolute shame.
Facts: BFC Dynamo is the biggest rival of Union berlin.
Happy to never play them again,they can stay where they belong….in the history books
What about Hertha Berlin
@@markocroatia7630 The rivalry with Hertha is somewhat "new" for us. Back in DDR Oberliga times we even were friends. Hertha fans came to our games and visited us. The rivalry with Hertha really started in ~2010, when we met for the first time in the second Bundesliga.
It depends on who you ask
The older Union fans will say it's BFC, the newer ones will say it's Hertha
@@bilastend Yes back then there was a good right wing friendship between Urin and Hertah 🙂
Would be an excellent save to return them to Bundesliga and win trophies
2:50 That's some "amatuer" spelling :P
See kane , maybe this move isn't the best for you 😂
what the hell is the sound at 7:38
You actually wrong about that east Germany don’t had good Fotball recruiting they actually had a system quite similar to the German dfb and developed some really good players like Jens Jeremis, Alexander Zickler , Mathias Sammer Ulf Kirsten from Dynamo Dresden and a lot of others so they invested a lot in Fotball and DDR got the gold medal in Olympic Fotball to
Yugoslavia was never part of the Iron Cuirtain
I smell the next FM24 season. I trust Z can return Dinamo to its Stasi glory days😊
As interesting a story as BFC Dynamo are there are a lot of inaccuracies in this and many other reports when talking about their humble beginnings to their 10 in a row years, it makes a better story just saying the Stasi made sure they won everything even though that was not the case. Also, it's interesting when Urin fans bemoan about the Stasi links and special treatment BFC Dynamo were supposed to have gotten when their very own club have received the very same since their money problems and near liquidation in the late 90s early 00's, lets not forget who runs them now Herr Zingler ex Stasi :-) What people also forget is BFC as a whole were never a big club as such, their support in general has always been small compared to the bigger clubs like Dynamo Dresden, Rostock, Magdeburg, Aue to name a few but what they do have is a small loyal band of fans which like the club is slowly building themselves back up and to a level in tune with financial constraints they have due to their past. It's been a long hard battle since the FC Berlin days and crowds as low as 400 but we are on our way back and hopefully promotion to the 3rd Liga will be achieved this season at least. Einmal BFC, Immer BFC 🙂
Agree. BFC Dynamo today is a MUCH better club than FC Berlin ever was in the 1990s. BFC Dynamo is definitely on the way to rebuilding itself. FC Berlin had an average attendance of 489 spectators in the 1991-92 NOFV-Oberliga Nord (the number was even down to 221 spectators in the 1992-93 NOFV-Obrliga Nord). BFC Dynamo currently has an average attendane of 2,366 spectators (after 11 matchdays, according to Kicker). In the beginning of the 1990s, the club lived on the money from the player sales made after Die Wende (this money ran out in 1996), with barely a couple of hundred spectators per match and an ever-shrinking coffers. At the beginning of the 1991-92 season, FC Berlin had 12 teams and 250 club members. Today, the club has healthy finances 20+ youth teams, 2000+ club members, an award-winning daycare project (Kita Projekt) and a strong team in the Regionalliga.
@@ErikF054 My first FC Berlin game was a promotion group game against Stahl Brandenburg, 3-1 for FC Berlin, even for such a big game there was only 1400 there :-) Changed days indeed now and not so much trouble, hahahaha
I thought this was going to be about Schalke in a certain period in German history
DanceDanceRevolution: Bundesliga!
Eric Milky
the bayern team were great in Escape to Victory lmao
Lol, I’m literally just a few seasons in my Berliner FC Dynamo save (Bundesliga II currently ) with a front-end mega rich owner willing to restore the clubs former “glory”- and this drops 🙌🏻
You have killed the club's identity and
the identity of German football
with your "mega rich front end owner".
A club founded and protected by Communists in a League/country were you as a rich owner can't have more than 49.9% of shares in the club
now that's funny :D