Racial distrust: Shyam Saran on how Chinese thinkers blamed India’s plight on its people’s character
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Chinese Communist Party leader Xi Jinping chose new team after winning the historic third term through 20th National Congress. Xi is likely to enact more hardline policies regarding economy, foreign relations, and human rights. Now, as China stresses the need to resolve differences between India & China, watch this episode by ICS from 12 October, 2020, where former Foreign Secretary Shyam Saran said “China’s negative popular perception of India emerged from the latter’s role as a street-side enforcer of the British rule. There was also deep resentment towards prominent Indian traders who flaunted their wealth from the Opium trade in Shanghai."
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To fight an enemy you need to understand your enemy. So, I’m really thankful to Mr. Shyam Saran Ji’s honest and unabridged opinion
If you treat China as an enemy, you will get an enemy.
The British has gone long long time, but why that evil spirit is with all of you?
What you are doing is exactly, confirmed exactly the view of China- British cucks (now Americans), you all just love your White masters.
China doesn't consider Bharat an enemy. Too bad India thinks that way.
3rd largest? In your dream
At one point, he points out that Chinese see Indians as people given to petty intrigue.
The Chinese have understood Indians well.
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Isn't it true though. Even now, Indians embrace western ideology willingly & eagerly seen without thinking about ours own. For Indians, Indian history & culture is less important whether it is Indian icons, architectural marvels or our own places. We love visiting exclusively western countries and cities while ignoring our own. We ignore our own languages for English & value it more.
Indian urban class is slave to western or especially to Anglo-Saxon influence.
What are you complaining about? The Chinese do the same thing. They are the biggest adopters of western culture - nothing wrong with that and the biggest tourists in western nations.
हामारे जो बाकी देसी लोगोंको चाहीए की हाम हामारा चेतना का
स्तर बढाके प्रभावशाली बने
Our culture has not evolved with times, the culture you say I assume is mostly the Hindutva culture 😅. This culture is not respected by fellow Indians.
Thanks to Shyamsaranji for the excellent insights on Chinese thinking.
Headline should be Why India does not believe China- but the media funded by foreign powers will have a different view
Very True.
Thank you Shyam Sharan sir for such effort. Much appreciate.
The conclusion is just this- it is going to be tough to be friendly with China, given its hatred of and prejudice against India. It is surprising how Nehru and others could not sense all this and were stupid to believe that we can have friendship with China. Anyway, at least now, as Indians at large know this, we can appreciate issues in Indo China relations much better. 2. It is worth noting that military strategists or IFS officers specializing in China have failed to warn our political leadership or create right awareness about China in general. this includes Shyam Saran too, who dealt with China for years!
i'm afraid you don't deserve hatred. pity for indian people, contempt for indian rulers - that seems more likely.
the two nations were very roughly in a similar position 100 years ago, china has transformed itself into the highest level of technical civilization, india lags behind. it should be a matter of shame, but indian rulers choose aggression, instead.
china stumbled into the idea of a public service almost 2000 years ago, and it has a new manifestation in the communist party, modern mandarins. so they are capable of concerted effort with central direction. currently they are the most effective society in the world. their history is unique, and their chief competitor, usa, is rotten, in the grip of greed and arrogance.
india cannot emulate china, modi boasts india will surpass china, with no visible evidence.
india must find its own path to modern life, but its problems are many and progress will continue to be slow, and not helped by empty boasting.
@@alloomis1635 Go back where you came from troll
@@alloomis1635 I think you are not Indian citizen 👍hell and heaven different between China and India a democratic country is much better than an autocratic country 👍👍 India's growth is slow but steady so don't over enthusiastic about China 😎😎
@@alloomis1635 Step out of Mohammad's gaand - hatred for India and the West won't help 😆😆
@@tigerking2742 👏👏👏👏👏
It is opium grown in India that was forcibly sold to China by East India Company and the British.
When the Chinese resisted that led to series of "opium wars" where Indian sepoys were used to suppress the Chinese. This Chinese refer to as "century of humiliation" where India and Indians under British occupation played a very big role.
Majority of the old Parsi, Marwari and Gujarati companies made their wealth through the opium trade under the patronage of East India Company and the British. This is not mentioned in any history book.
That is true the TATAs Mahindras were British loyalist and they were awareded by the british every now and then
It is common knowledge to India that Indian sepoys fought in the opium wars. If you want to blame a colonized country for playing a part in the mother country's wars, you can also blame the character of the people who got addicted to opium in the first place.
Better blame Drunkards and Opium addicts.
And it were British.
We don't even grow Opium freely now. It is in control.
@@RB-ns2nn Exactly! Both are guilty!
Even Tagore family had enriched during opium trade. But what does that have to do with today?
Mr Shyam Saran is my school alumni. I received a school award from him in 2009 where he was chief guest. I was not even fully aware of his stature at that time. foolish me.
But I do remember every word of the short interaction with him.
Since I am currently on page 76 of Shyam Saran's ebook, it is a pleasure listening to the author. It is fascinating to read about the historical backdrop of both Chinese and Indian civilisations - especially the Indian perspective on how China sees India.
Can't wait to finish the rest of the book, hopefully by end of this week!
Ps: interesting to read about Damo (or Daruma in Japanese). Didn't know it was a 7th century Buddhist monk from India!
There is movie called yezham arivu (7th sense) in tamil partly related to damo. Somewhat fictional version of it if u r interested in checking it out.
@@saranrajganesan Thanks very much for this! I have often encountered the word "Damo fashi" (Damo teacher in Chinese) in movies and I always thought it was somewhat related to Buddha himself but didn't seem to be. Good to know the historical context in order to better appreciate the real person himself !
Good point about the stereotypes we use to navigate our understandings of each other.
Walter Lippmann in 1922 wrote about the mechanics of how these impressions can be harnessed and leveraged through mass communications - and who's agendas are regulated through a marketplace of gatekeeping institutions.
What he wrote then is arguably more valuable now than ever before.
Chomsky too, on the same subject, from a diametrically opposite angle.
@@kalapipaasi5977 I heard that chomsky basically rehashed the Lippmann work, left out a whole lot, and falsely redirected the attention to one group as a partisanship that divides to give more power to the rulers above.
thats way too intellectual, thanks....
but this "good cop bad cop" treatment may be futile as the other...
.....ccp bots....
Shyam Saran ji seems to be very much impressed with Chinese people' s views about India.
Go reflect on your wretched self if your even capable
China distrusts everybody except themselves.....this analysis-paralysis from erudite individuals have not helped India.....I would rather put my bet on views of Mr. Jayadev Ranade-who's considered not what china says but does.....most of his predictions have come true...rest is self aggrandizing
Yup. China CCP made 40% of their income from opium trade to their on people. That is a typical china character.
Same can be said of Hindus .
China distrusts itself the most.
About india China moral of the story is - "oil and water can never mix '". Even northeast india cannot mix with rest of india. Just the reality and basics no further analysis required.
@@sevenstars4817 Thinking quite on the lines of European ideologies like Macaulay and Hitler. Good for you.
I had a Taiwanese friend who told me East Asians think they are the second race, inferior to white people, but better than dark skinned people like Indians. China looking down on Indians is a way to make themselves feel better. Asian countries try to look White and European out of resentment. A man in Singapore once asked an Italian man what’s the tallest building in Italy in a very provocative way- the Italian did not want to break it the Chinese Singaporean that Italy isn’t looking to build tall buildings. But looking to live well.
They follow Europeans…and so they think white skin is good. You see the attitude of China even to Southeast Asian countries like Philippines and Indonesia the racism they follow from Europe. The thing is that Europe changed but Asia hasn’t. This is why they don’t allow immigration either. Indians are also similar. We treat Africans very poorly.
@Rajkumar Rajappan I forgot to mention, they think just as low of Pakistan, too. They just see Pakistan as a country to exploit.
@@sathishvijayan2160 I’m sure our friendly western neighbour already knows that 😂, but they are cash strapped so they bare with it ig
These so called “east asian tiger economies” are all the same ; they all are very good at aping the west and their practices and have lost all their culture in the process ; their local cusine and language is all that remains to sets them apart from the western world
@Rajkumar Rajappan india is the least desirable race for girls in the west, there tan is way way way lighter than yours u cannot compare the 2🤣🤣🤣🤣. U have never seen any white people looking or wanting to look like indians😭
The failure of indias foreign ambassador s and establishment is quite evident for these prejudice to subsist even today .
I noticed during my travel in Europe that Chinese just do not even look at Sub continent people. Almost like we are invisible and transparent !
Maybe because they are shorter in stature?
@@kalapipaasi5977 so are Indians....chinese only admire whites
@@kalapipaasi5977 😂😂😂😂 An Indian who is only 166cm tall says others are short . czcams.com/video/FhGwus3S07g/video.html
@Mark Green The average height of men on the Chinese mainland is 171.8 cm and the average height of an Indian male is 177 cm, says *Springer Medical*
You can check for yourself.
@@kalapipaasi5977 with hunger index rank at the bottom, how can Indian is taller than Chinese? Lol😂
The odd part is China itself is heavily westernized. Marxism is all western . Chinese weddings are done 100% western style in ceremony and clothing. They have Phil harmonic western style orchestras . India has preserved its culture , religion and is now also politically independent. China could learn a thing a or two.
EXACTLY! Except for food, there is hardly anything of Chinese character left in CCP wonderland.
I pointed this out to some CCP fanboys as well.
Indians are FAR more rooted in their own culture than the Chinese. Indians still retain their dress habits. Rural Indian dress primarily in Indian attire. Even urban Indians who mostly wear western outfits on a day-to-day basis, they will make sure to wear Indian attire at least for important functions and festivals. Nowadays, Indian leaders proudly wear their traditional attire even while visiting foreign lands.
Indians still patronize their own traditional arts and music. The first preference among Indian parents is to teach their kids Indian music and arts (examples being Carnatic/Hindustani Music and traditional dance forms like Bharatha Natyam and Kathak). This is true even for ex-pat communities.
As far as the Chinese go, they always by default make their kids learn Western music and arts. for example, Piano, violin, and Ballet dance are the first preference.
Not to mention the insane itch to assume an "English" name in the workplace or even in real life. There was a story in the BBC once about an English girl who made a lot of money just by running a service that suggested a good "English" name for Chinese clients.
Well said
Wrong
Exactly what I wanted to point out.
You wear shirt, adopted Arabic style lose cloths, Persian etiquette and music from Muslims. These are all foreign. Sewn cloths are alien to Hindus. Even the stitched loin clothes or thongs were copied from the west. Even the portraits or photos of your gods are remarkably looks European. The spice trade of the Europeans made the current Indian cuisine. The 19th century Indian 'invention' of Yoga is a copy of gymnastics and calesthenic.
Intros are toooooo long, boring 😴.
Shyam Saran's commentary is excellent 👌
As usual blame.others for our troubles.
These old people take too long introducing stuff.
Get to the point man
Lol, true. The lecture was to the point though.
The crux of Chinese perception of India seems to be that we are slavish. Judging straight from facts, this rings very true.
The Chinese genuinely believe they are a superior race and resent the darker skin color of India. In that sense China is like the western world a 100 years back but without the religious hatred of Hinduism that Westerners also had (Race+Religion). In due time once India can match in hard power, China will respect Indians and then true peace can be formed.
Hinduism is not a religion of hate u peacefuls are
@@garryspeaks6482 and thousand other jokes you can tell yourselves.
@@mawsey1477 nah more like other Facts that are true and must be known and shared by everyone
Hinduism and other Dharmic religions are peace, all you other inbred morons are violent ,deceptive and manipulative thugs .
No one in their right mind can respect india with the most child hunger. Do you seriously think you deserve respect
@@gmanlee575 umm yea we don't feed gutter oil fried dog and insects to our children here because they are actual humans unlike you bugs
Since 70's when Deng said it doesn't matter whether a cat is black or white so long as it catches mice, China has quietly developed its economy and defence and technological capabilities literally made a fool of the west by making west importer of everything and is now a middle income country. Around 1975, India and China were at par. Now India has woken up and needs time to develop economy and technology to stand up to China. In the interim we have to go along, play along in QUAD and also AUUKUS if possible and avoid conflict. Last thing India need is an open conflict with China.
The West is watching.
India's purchase of Russian oil and s400s hasn't gone unnoticed by the West.
Further joining groups like BRICS and SCO that directly challenge US-hegemony, will not go down well in Washington DC...
India should change political system and mentality first....Indian democracy is Western slavery democracy ( Continuation of British raj Feudalism, it means looting and exploitation democracy)
Indian engineers, doctors, lawyers, humanities scholars, administrators, bankers have failed. e.g. if our judiciary is sitting on crores of pending cases and conviction rate is low and decision time large, it is clear case of dysfunctional constitution and laws. Has any lawyer done any research to create alternative constitution? Any paper, proposal, PHd? Any research why india carrying a constitution made by British whose purpose was to colonize and humialiate than empower Indians still not changed. It simply shows their (lawyers and law makers) lack of aptitude to think and solve problems.
Chinese aren’t entirely wrong about the characters of Indians
It's not as if the Chinese on average have a great character....Not even Americans. Of course, when a society becomes richer, it automatically becomes more liberal and better behaved, at least on the outside superficially.
@@grapeshott Yet neither are first world. China could become first world, all they have to do is become a democracy, most of their cities look like the advanced cities of Japan and South Korea. India on the other .hand, which is a democracy, will never reach the level of progress South Korea or a Malaysia. Becoming richer has nothing to do with behavior, just ask rich gulf states.
Chinese character is worse though.
@@birdstwin1186 China can never become a democracy because all their success is because of dictatorship of the communist party. Common Chinese has as much rights as my dog has
China CCP made 40% of their income from opium trade to their on people. That is a typical china character.
Is this VP dutt memorial lecture from this year or the last ? Because the latest one I guess is the one which covered World War 2. Has anyone being conducted after that ?
India got independence in 1947 in 21st century still think they are under British raj
Some pretty terrible audio quality from some of the speakers. Would be good to test & fix it with participants before starting recording
Very interesting
Thank you
Living in abroad for more than four decades, I must say that Chinese people love America, their way of life and the culture. Next thing they like the British people although they blame the British for the opium war and other exploitations. China wants to be like the US by hook or by crook. They consider India is a poor country but now learning that India is rising so things will change in the future. The problem is you never know what a common Chinese is thinking as their thoughts are influenced by the communist party. Our job will be to dislodge communist Govt from China and replace with democracy. This will take time but it has to come from within China.
Rising 🤣🤣. Most child poverty in the world is rising yh😉
Purana video upload krne pe thoda clarify kr de
Title should be opposite
'Why does India distrust China?'
Indeed you're conveying from their perspective. Anyway good discussion
Lol.
BORING.
I will be more intrigued to know, that after $45 trillion robbed by the British and many hundreds years of occupation and imperialism,
"Why India still loves its White Masters?"
I will buy that book.
If Chinese hate Indians it's their problem. India should concentrate on its core strengths. When the right time cometh, we will show the Chinese the door.
It's not only their problem if they are the world's biggest economic and military power.
Is a beggar worth to "hate"? China look india as a beggar country.
@@gaosunibu At least begger have freedom what Chinese have Emperor's boots to lick. Look member of communist party bow down to him .
@@gaosunibu
India is 5th largest economy in world
right now. By 2029, it will be third
largest. Go trash your outdated views in the trash bin.
@@gaosunibu ,
You Chinese hate Indians because Indian soldiers kicked Chinese ass in opium wars. You freaks still have that grudge against us.
The whole discussion is subservient to the idea that it is India that should look at things from China's perspective. Never heard these gents discussing how China should try and understand the Indian perspective. Chinese communist party ideology is nationalist at its core and wears a thin veneer of Marxian thought to justify its approach to the rest of the world - which is essentially world domination. Now if the discussion was about how to respond to that, one could have appreciated it better.
I think you missed the main point of Mr Saran. He clearly said that the opinions of Indians and Chinese of each other is coloured by a middleman: Britain
Me Saran has put forward a good analysis here because to solve a problem one must first identify the problem. Indians and Chinese must engage in more diplomacy and cultural exchanges to learn each other’s stories from the source
Look at Chinese and Indian diaspora like Malaysia and Singapore. There is so much intermingling between Chinese and Indians that there is a new cultural subgroup, the Chindians. so it is possible for Chinese and Indians to learn to understand each other and work together
@@kkhong1836.... A weak argument. We are talking about mainland China, not Singapore or Malaysia. Have interacted with enough Singapore and other non-mainland Chinese who simultaneously admire and secretly, fear mainland China. All these countries dare not speak out against China nor disclose their true feelings. In fact, when asked, they will say only good things about China.
Please post an abridged video. Who will watch for nearly one and a half hours?
Introduction Kab khatam hoga
Wow! Thanks for such an informative presentation.
Learnt a lot
India is rightly to be blamed because what India has and possess now, all were inherited from her past colonial master, which means some of it inherited wasnt even belong to India since the world began.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer
Nobody will understand other people's pain, no country will understand another country's pain going thought
A nice discussion...could have been better if it had been edited for broadcast on you tube...some introductions were just way to long, almost lost the viewer. A typical internet video watchers attention span has been rendered very shot, so just a observation...
Just like you comment recently "unaccountable Hero".........
Very helpful🙏🙏
Sorry maybe Indian hated Chinese I'm Chinese I've never hate Indians, in fact Indian had shared us so much in Buddhism and much more of course peoples are peoples always somebody hated somebody never Justin because of Indian.
You are a good Chinese person. It is very rare to see good people in today's world. I'm happy to see good people like you exist in the world. I wish you prosperity & peace.
It is more important that India distrusts China!
Have China ever been reminded of the tiananmen square??
First rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club..
Second rule of fight club is you do not talk about fight club..
what character ?. each state has vast economic disparities
Most Chinese and Indians never interact with one another.
The place where they interact is in Msia & Spore. Out of these interactions there is a rise of "new" emergent culture...Chindians.
To suggest that the two great cultures can't get along because of British use of Indian sepoys is not true anymore.
are you Chinese or Indian?
Cut down on the length of introduction for god’s sake
Isn't he perception of india as a land of week people only a Chinese idea ? I do not think so and most countries had the same concept about india till the recent past .even Indira Gandhi was diparged by the Americans .
Look at the attitude of Pakistanis to.india even today .
Are these products of impressions given by British writers or are these agenda driven propaganda.
Gandhi's Satyagraha was nonsense.....
Although Gandhi satyagraha was nonsense but it was the only effective option for india.
Because in terms of instrument fighting, india lost its territory against British and Mughal. So it won't be wrong to say , indians were very weak in fighting
Are you doing something better than Gandhi today? Other than downplaying his achievements in liberating a country peacefully
@@deccanheart Yes now days support Modi is Nobel cause for Hindu civilization...
Gandh was responsible for partition you can't deny this...
@@abagwe9887 - Gandhi alone is not responsible for the partition. The Muslims wanted this. Don't you think India is better off with the partition?
Chinese are a great nation.
Kindly get to the discussion & not waste time with introductions.
Great question when Pakistan good freind but not India itself reflect strategy both on India and pak along with westren. India Colonial mindset but cheen used investers from west for their own. Both west and cheen used each other now strategies are changed with different strategies, ultimately cycle continue
Ultimately indias fate is going to be decided by western colonial powers one way or other. As for India China moral of the story is - 'oil and water can never mix'. Just the reality.
two ccp bots generating "stimulating" conversation. Just another day in youtube comment section work...
by xing ping minions..
No country , civilization or individual can b above The Law of Sathya , Dharma n Karma.
What is happening now , in the past or will b in the future r the consequences or the unfolding of the above Eternal Laws over time.
Peoples r born n they die. Empires comes n goes , rise n fall over time.
Whatever may b the politics of the day, endeavour always to keep peace n b at peace with oneself n the world as much as is possible. For in all of its sham , drudgery n hippocrisy, it is still a beautiful world if one's karma is not too bad...
VasudaivaKutumbakam.
India blames China, China blames India. Never ending fight
Indian is most prejudice race in whole world (thanks to the westerners and left), especially in east asian countries.....if anyone has doubt then survey in these countries......
Wow! I salute your candor of self - introspection. Yes. Along with all others in Asia.
However, why blame the Westerners for our bias?
@@deccanheart because they have very significant role for our bias......
@@naresh9515 - We need to stop blaming other. It has been 75 years since we are independent. How many more decades are we going to do this?
@@deccanheart 75 years is actually a very small age for a nation. the US is 350 years old as a westfallian republic. but still they themselves are debating about their origins, social structures and systems.
@@srinivasaniyer6219
250 years, Sir! And, how many more years do we need in this hyper-connected world?
Small portion that India's own lack of confidence in Itself and after listening carefully he mention that strengthen and preserve our country culturally militarily so conclusion that India have slave mentality and India destroy own culture tradition and than country , And that's true.
15 min tak ek dusre ki badai chal Rahi hai.
It is seen that the participants have eloquently quoted everyone whom they thought worthy. What is missing is the baselining of "what chinese are" from all these observations. Example, the great wall of china was built to prevent the barbarian Mongols (to me Mongols are Warriors) from plundering china. However, the plundering never stopped!!! Reason was that the chinese guards used to take a small bribe and open the gates. This should sum the basic mental makeup of chinese. Secondly, chinese strategy to keep shifting goal posts and work on shifting sands; that is the trait of a weak mind that can never find a solution and will try to pinch for its greed. This second point reflects in their inability to create innovative and state of the art products / services. If the above assessment is wrong; so will be the chinese assessment of us. So, why sweat? Stick to basics and have enough patience to grind them too. Remember what General Sundarjee said when the chinese occupied sumdurong valley; chinese are not 10 feet tall. And chinese went back after Gen Sundarjee sent in forces. The sad part was the knee jerk cowardly reaction of the political establishment then. That substandard political leadership had been the Achilles heel so far and it is behind us now.
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Please hear the advice from Kishore Mahbubani. Keep asia peace and grow. Don't make and spread hate between indian & chinese people.
I feel that the communist revolution..that lead to the "great leap forward" and the "cultural revolution" is a major watershed in china's history...so much so that earlier commentaries..bears little relevance to the current mindset of the Chinese people...As Mao wanted, the country's previous mindset..and remments of culture ..was very thoroughly destroyed...and reformed and remade on the Marxist leninist model.....In that sense, China is a very new country...eventhough lately it has been trying to bring back some "culture"...realizing that it is needed to have an impact on the world..
Its all distorted perception of both Chinese and Indians created by western propaganda ( so called elites like ambassadors , Professors and others) about each others especially after the western countries start rising. Chinese have highly inferiority complex v/s west and Japanese. If any Indian got the chance to work at equal level, you will find that Chinese are of very low calibre in compare to Indians. I have worked in Malaysia and Qatar with Chinese and found them they are no comparison to Indians. They are overconfident with very limited thinking and analyzing power. China has risen just because the whole west shifted their manufacturing to China by exploiting their very cheap labour, environment and authoritarian system ignoring all the human rights, free society. West and other countries hate India because it is rising on its own and with its own terms.
i agree 100%. chinese history is proof of it. they were always ruled by outsiders, and they conveniently whitewash their own history by claiming all those outsiders as chinese. for india, before 1190 AD india was ruled by bharatiya dynasties only. even todays CCP has simply modified the authoritarian blueprint of how the USSR was run, so ideologically theyre a version of militant marxism enforced by a mafia. there is no culture left in china in a chinese persons daily life that is native to china.
The Chinese psyche of viewing Indians as inferior, lazy, not brave & chaotic shows their contempt for India as they r not aware of what a democracy means. The only reply to this from India could be that we need to be United in our approach and we should focus on economic advancement. Economic advancement with speeding up of the reforms & strengthened border infrastructure with out any euphoria will silence the critics of India. I think the current government at the Center is capable of doing this.
Those are largely true. Hollow ancient glory claims of Hindus spread by govt propaganda is not bought by outsiders.
The same Chinese held similar views about the Japanese, then Nanking , Manhukuo, Hong Kong happened , sook chin happened, now the Chinese are terrified of the Japanese
heard that since 1947..anything new?
Give you a clue: china have implemented the American democracy since republic of China was founded in 1911! China ran the democracy for 38 years by almost all US Ivy League graduates. That system gave China nothing but disaster. Saran doesn’t know much.
Never ever compare India with china. China has recorded i repeat recorded history going back thousands of years. Whereas india has many many fairtales with no evidence to backup the claims. Indians has aleays been a slave nation (no disrespect) and your only note worthy monument was built by a muslim king, if he didnt build the taj mahal india will have nothing to show for. Also your characteristics as a people have nothing to do with democracy its genetics. I dnt expect u to wake up.
Good discussion, we now know the Chinese stereotypes about India. It. is not our problem. It is Chinese problem . We can plan about chinese accordingly and it shows the importance of India to be rich and powerful.
India should change political system and mentality first....Indian democracy is Western slavery democracy ( Continuation of British raj Feudalism, it means looting and exploitation democracy)
@@everuttejon9886 You have no damn idea about India. Where are you from Pakistan or China ?
आधा घंटे तो आप लोग तारीफ कर लो पब्लिक का टाइम तो फालतू है भाई लोग आप रिटायर हो गए हो हम नहीं
Even Pakistanis were there then why just India and what about Britain?
"China is always going to provoke you, but he'll never attack you."
The gang fighting between some low level Chinese and Indian troops should never have been cause to escalate into political tensions. After all, India experiences much more violence on its streets than that conflict. The economic benefits of these two great nations living in harmony is much greater than the pride of nationality displayed some.
So what're you suggesting? That we bend backwards even if China engulfs India? When they put out statements about our internal matters. When they instigate violence at our borders?
That is where you are wrong..... When you use a word such as *Low level Indian troop* .....
It's not US Russia or China who think troop as despencible...
China is going to fight back......... Remember! You are just a little part poop of the west......
@@man-era7081 Hope saying such things makes you feel good about yourself. But remember, your words mean nothing. China will always think of itself more than what it actually is, a paper tiger.
It was due to heavy dose of budhism and bhakti marg spread, India and China lost to colonial powers, Islam and Christianity.
The Chinese leadership is deeply influenced by realism and Their own interpretation of Marxism/Communism and hence the old world civilisational views of India and the Indians do not play an important role in devising ways to get the better of India in every way possible. They might admire Buddhism but dislike intensely the land from where it came. The Chinese respect strength
Alone
Albert Einstein quotes on the Chinese people, Sept 1920
“A peculiar herd-like nation [ … ] often more like automatons than people.”
““I noticed how little difference there is between men and women,” he added. “I don’t understand what kind of fatal attraction Chinese women possess which enthralls the corresponding men”
Einstein opined that Chinese people there were “industrious, filthy, obtuse.” He expressed disdain for the way the “Chinese don’t sit on benches while eating but squat like Europeans do when they relieve themselves out in the leafy woods.”
It would be a pity if these Chinese supplant all other races,” Einstein remarked. “For the likes of us, the mere thought is unspeakably dreary.”
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1920 ? Wasn't Indians under a British Trading Company?
Where did Einstein write this? Must be you are dreaming
if what saran says is true, why would China have +ve relationship with Pakistan ....this totally disproves saran's conclusion...
He wants to sell his book. What's your problem?
China used Pakistan as it’s subservient proxy. That’s not the same.
@@ululukululu450 nobody said that ... 😄
Introduce mandarin study.we should have proper insight about china their object and future course of action success story as well as fault line.
क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को जिसके पास गरल हो ,
उसको क्या जो दंतहीन, विषरहित, विनीत, सरल हो ।
true India needs time to be able to stand up to China, China respects power
How come people making enough ridiculous interpretations based on writings of foreign powers be regarded as great thinkers ? Secondly, when they were making these interpretations they forgot their past of opium- country. Thirdly, they forgot that India is the only country on the globe which denied to succumb and rather preserved it's language, culture andreligion, despite a thousand year's foreing rule. This rather shows resilience of Indian people. On the contrary other countries ruled by foreign powers adopted language culture and religions of rulers.
@Johnson Johnson why should we change ?
It same as if you don't prove your capabilities in world,PPL will think you are useless.we need India with musculinity.
More like racial disdain
Did he advise Maino Mummy when she signed MoU with Xi?
Latrine cleaner can do what everyone can?
and your mama fuks for money?
India was divided....religion is good tool for divide and rule we had double dose named caste within religion......British came andvwith help of our insecure rulers they somehow united our fractured country ..they looted us ...some of our loyalist also earned some remunerations world wide...so basically our own people and our civilization is responsible for our hardships...
India conquered all the way to Japan without using a soldier using just religion and culture. China used guns and bombs that is china characters.
Whatever India or China is, you sure are a simpleton.
@HrH - you need character training.
indians think they are superior then japane and korea because of buddhism
fuckind dhotis
India conquered? Lol sorry what!
agon noga
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as I mentioned 1.
The Chinese are no different from the Indians. The only difference is cultures. China has a greater chance in the future to become politically like the true Western socialist countries like England (forget about their Colonial history) than India.
Taiwan are Chinese, Singapore are Chinese, and even the Koreans are not far off. And China's development mirrors that of all those countries.
So India's problems is not China, it is India's own lack of confidence in Itself. The day India wants to live at peace with China, it will.
I hope the Taiwanese, Singaporeans and Koreans don't read your comment. They'd all be furious and some might even come after you. Your comment reeks of Chinese bias. China has been encircling India through loans under the guise of economic and infrastructural development. If you think India's confidence or lack thereof is attached to China then you're absolutely wrong. India will grow or it won't purely based on its own will, not based on how it thinks of or handles China.
100 💯 percent correct.
The Chinese development model is flawed. IN spite of dictatorial system, China is till a middle income country. Any hope that it will become a developed country very soon has been extinguished simply of Chinese aggressive actions off late. You are deluded if you think that Singapore and Koreans consider themselves as Chinese and more like a Communist propaganda/mouthpiece
@@reach2prasanna You do reliaze that the Singaporeans are ethnic Chinese, right ? And majority of the population in Taiwan are also Han chinese. Don't mix their ethnicity with politics and also the india-china relations.
Caonima
communism ne to apko power grab kerne ka mahatva sikhaya aur dikhaya warna to Hindu log to abtak bhajan hi ker rahe hote aur India ek Islamic Republic ban chuka hota. Islam aur Christianity apko power kaise hathyani h aur uske liye kisi bhi hadh tak jane ko sikhata h. Hinduo ko communisto ka sukriya karna chahiye aur sikhna chahiye kaise Hindu, muslim, Christians aur sikho ke Nak ke niche se satta na sirf hasil kiya unko satta me ghusne nahi diya. Dimag ki batti jalao, emotional mat bano. 😀
They signed MoU with Mummy and Pappu and Modi upended it. No democracy in China hence they are screaming Indian can’t be trusted ! 😂
As far as my knowledge goes even japanese have same opinion on indians
Yess
perhaps ,all countries that you can name.
@@gaosunibu Are u chinese?
the best hope for india are in there women
What’s India national sport?
Bargaining
Not India, its India's son Pakistan
@@rakeshmaskare5050 - looks like you are the bastard son of Pakistan.
It's still better than begging. 🤷
India's national sport has been long known and India excels at it. It's open defecation 😂
@@kvrathnamaiah2913 India does not have any national sport
China actually invaded India in 1200 CE.
All our historians, history books are silent about this fact.
India's North East was a Bengali kingdom called Kamrupa which was invaded and occupied in circa 1200 CE by Ahoms from Yunnan in China
After occupation of Kamrupa by Ahoms it was renamed to Oxom which is pronounced as Assam.
Assam itself was invaded and occupied by the Burmese from circa 1400 AD to 1832 AD.
1832 AD East India Company liberated North East from Burma and returned it to India but with majority Chinese and Burmese origin people who have never accepted themselves as Indians.
The Chinese communists immediately after coming to power in China started insurgency movements in India and Malaysia through people of Chinese origin.
Burma also never reconciled to loss of North East to India and has been supporting insurgencies in India's North East.
This is the root cause of perennial insurgencies and unrests in North East which you won't get to read anywhere.
The first independent Bengali kingdom was founded by King Shashanka who ruled in the 7th century AD. Kamarupa was founded in the 4th century AD by King Pushyavarman.
Burmese first invaded Assam in 1817 not 1400
And most of the people in the northeast are patriotic and the remaining separatist groups (except a few) have signed successful peace accords with Delhi.
Stop trying to divide the country!!
Ah greater bengal claim in the midst of this. One can get an idea why the assamese and north eastern indians don't particularly like bengali immigrants.
Bengali Hindus have already occupied Tripura next is Assam. Wake up before it's too late. Greater Bengal includes China upto Beijing and tokyo😜
@@thedarklord4124 Bengali is a Persian word and not a native word. Which is why your idea of Bengal starts with 7th century.
Pushyavarman sounds Chinese to you??
Just like the government in New Delhi you too want to hide Chinese invasion of Bengali Kamrupa in 1200 CE.
If Burmese invaded in 1817 how did undivided Assam Tripura and rest of NE end up with such large number of people who are found both in India and Burma??
To wage such a long insurgency against India one needs massive external support. Why there's such large scale insurgency in NE supported by China and Burma right from 1950s where even Indian troops are not safe??
@@sreekr
Yes as per you and government in New Delhi Bengalis are illegal immigrants in Bengal and Chinese and Burmese are indigenous Indian tribals of Bengal. Few centuries from now Chinese in Tangra, Kolkata will become indigenous Indian tribals and Bengalis will become illegal immigrants.
People of Chinese and Burmese origin hate India and Indians whether it is NE, Burma, Malaysia or Singapore. You only have to look at several race riots and pogroms in these countries to know this fact.
Shanghai was never a chinese city. It was built by the west. There biggest issue is that our culture dominanted theirs.