Why is C-295 aircraft production in pvt sector gamechanger for IAF, HAL &why transport fleets matter
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2022
- Prime Minister Narendra Modi on 30 October, laid the foundation stone for C-295 transport aircraft manufacturing facility in Gujarat's Vadodara. The C-295 aircraft will be manufactured in a joint venture between Tata & Airbus. In episode 1105 of #CutTheClutter, ThePrint Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta decodes why is the C-295 aircraft production in private sector a turning point for Indian Air Force & the HAL and why transport fleets matter.
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Tata will manufacture for AIR INDIA etc with airbus🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@petechau6314 Till the point India has the aviation market size comparable to USA it is very unlikely that Airbus manufactures/assembles commercial aircraft in this JV. But before that Indian companies could become parts suppliers to Boeing/Airbus with the help of experience gained. Currently Japan and S.Korea are significant parts contributors to Boeing, for example.
@@AkilanKamarajan
Dream about making ur own Indian commercial Jet Brand like China did in long run. This deal is the learning curve for Indian Aeronautics industry which was under a monopoly of incompetent HAL PSU babus & bureaucrats.
@@petechau6314
Its better TATA Aeronautics limited gain knowledge learn & buy a whole company like Embraer alongwith its commercial Jet Brands in long run for India.
HAL ADA should focus on Fighter Jets & Helicopters Design & Development only. Production should be handed over to private companies in long run.
This is one of best examples of good procurements since Independence.
This was large volumes order that justified investing in local manufacturing. There are long term maintenance contracts that allows for onshoring/local manufacturing of spares. It leverages local industries in the supply chain (or will).
Now look at how the Army orders - Army orders 50 M4 APCs with no indication for future orders and then expects local production. How do you expect local productions when you order so little while paying so little?
Guess what happened, Kalyani imported M4 as CKD kits and assembled them locally.
We are going to have a world war by 2022 winter
Army places giant orders only for Russian hardware. 1000s of T90 Russian tanks are acquired but the vastly superior Arjun MBT only a 100 are purchased and then they want complete indigenous content. No one will create a huge factory and assembly lines for small orders like these.
@@vishalsheth1888 you got my point. Tejas was heading the same route until Modo govt put it's foot down on procurements (Also Mk1 and Mk2 programs saved it.)
Why near the Pakistani border?
For their target practice
@@vishalsheth1888 vastly superior Arjun MBT's?? In which world is Arjun MBT's superior to the T-90's ?? Do you know how many countries use the T-90 compared to the Arjun MBT's??? T-90 is battle proven while Arjun MBT is just a showcase toy at present.
Increasing private sector participation in defence is good . Even if this is a joint effort, it is a good step. Thank you for the information.
Proud of honest patriotic making India initiative and Modi Government 💪💪😊😊
Many thanks for a well-informed CTC.
As a septagenerian, I recall that during my boyhood days, the term 'Dakota" was used to refer to any rickety vehicle which is old and of poor quality. Little did we know its stellar role in defending India. As Napoleon said, "An army marches on its stomach."! Without sound logistics for ensuring smooth supplies, an army is a dead duck.
Hi Gururaj,
Thanks for writing in.
Sir,
What do you think about life?
Even my mother who was 1960 s born used this word Dakota...Like "puraani Dakota"
This is so informative and insightful. Love the bomb of an information at the end. So happy Airbus at last coming to India and Tata once again becoming a pioneer. This video missed a point though, the aircrafts this C-295s will support and may later replace are Antonov An-32s. Also the Dornier Do-228s and upcoming Airbus MRTTs should have been mentioned here too. Learned so many things about IAF though. 🙏🏽
Watching states competing for PROJECTS is so FULFILLING and a PSU like HAL overflowing with orders is the icing on the cake. Shiv Sena canceled a mega refinery project in Ratnagiri and is now crying foul over these projects. I hope something big in green energy like green hydrogen and Lithium-ion batteries is brought to Maharashtra and Andhra.
Ratnagiri has green cover and mangroves - Good the project got cancelled in ratnagiri.
For competition among states you need a level playing field.
@@pardeeptandon come on ..its state responsibility ...if your state is subsidizing no capital formation then its their fault
We all know it was a not a competition at all. Like I fully support BJP. But don’t buy into the fact that project was moved out of merit. We all know how conducive it is not manufacture in Gujarat.
@@pardeeptandon That's the responsibility of the states and its people to make efforts to reach the same level as other states. Central govt. can only handhold till certain level. People have to decide what is more imp for them. For example, states like Bihar can't cling on to caste-based leaders and politics, and then expect big industries to come there.
The heavy influence of North India in SG’s mannerisms show up when he says ‘thaaat’ (=वो) and ‘etc. etc.’ (=वगेरा वगेरा) 😂
Modi is making structual changes and will be remembered as greatest Indian PM. aadhar,UPI, ondc, direct benefit transfer, railway DFC, bullet train,expressways, sagarmala, bharatmala, udaan, cleaning of public bank NPA mess.
He still has a long way to go. Today's people might oppose him but there will be a time after his death, that every textbook will teach about him in some way or the other. He is doing so much of work that no leader in India can come close to him in any way
Pvnr was the best. Vajpayee second. Modi, Indira and Nehru are worst
Great achievement for modi government and i think this will also be used for manufacturing of civilian aircraft in future
You are a star SG. What a treasure trove of knowledge and history …
A New Dawn In 🇮🇳 INDIAN ✈
The legendary Dakota pilot is Biju Pattnaik,father of Naveen Patnaik (current CM of ODISHA)
Biju Patnaik's Indonesia operation is a legend
Very well presented... Hats off to Shekhar jii... ♥️
Thanks to Modi government for promoting Defense.
Nice analysis by Mr Shekhar Gupta on Aircraft production in india from prachand to C-295 ,
✅India is on path to ever-rising upward trajectory of Atma nirbhar Bharat 🇮🇳.
A good analysis. After a long time we have a brave and constructive politician who really cares for the country. We need to have more of this in the private sector then only the GDP will grow. This plane not only caters to the defence like the airforce, the coast guard and many more it can also find application in the private sector for the feeder lines.
Wonderful story -Thankyou sekhar sir.
Now I am waiting for the 6 x 1650mw Nuclear Plant at Jaitapur. We need that to happen right now. There is no other way we can achieve low carbon stable energy.
This step apparently cuts down boeing's hydra like tentacles. since France and India are equal peers in the larger scheme of things, and share a degree of comfort which might not be possible with US ( China, our distrust of American operatives generally ).
Yea, cos russia and its weapons are so trustworthy..putin will happily throw india under the bus when he no longer has any use for it.
equal peers ? come on now I would caution against such pseudo jingoistic claims.
Once Again..3 cheers to SGSir.
👌👌👌👍👍👍
Dear SG Sahab, I am a veteran army officer. I really enjoy your way of describing the history. It is indeed very interesting.
....that is the real Journalism, Sir 🙏🙏
Happy to hear someone like you tell us about aircrafts.
Thanks for such a segway into history.
Fantastic update ❤️
Best as always.
Thank you for this episode!
Hi Kishore,
Thanks for tuning in!
It's a good start for 🇮🇳
We can learn from it and later on make bigger ones
Good for India in long run . 🙏👏💐
The aircraft industry closely resembles an iceberg in that the public mostly see the visible results of the simplest tin bending on a few prestigious occasions late in the game. Before that, there are years of elation and tears in equal measure as projects move forward. Hopefully, there will also be some encouragement in the future for those who have thoughts regarding the possibility of building Regional Jets in substantial numbers for the local and international markets.
Extremely well researched sir.
Shekhar bhai always great 👍
Deserving Appreciation for a wonderful presentation of Transport Defence Aircraft’s in our Country. During my life journey had seen at Mumbai Airport Juhu I think FAIRCHILD PACKET aircraft, could not get details of this aircraft, Your presentation gave me information about them and how much it was redesigned to suit to Indian Airforce requirements. Secondly AVRO HS748, British era Aircraft which was used as Civilian as well as Military Transport aircraft in India (Indian airlines had used them extensively for short routes Hyderabad, Vijayawada, Chennai, Tirupathi which I remember vividly ). Perhaps it served rightly said longest serving aircraft in aviation history. Overall presentation a good one.. HAL can do well even in today’s condition with Order books fully loaded, the manpower and management need to work as professionals change mind set required. Tata entering is good , mention about TAIL aviation @Hosur TN needs to be mentioned along with Mahindra Aviation companies . Perhaps in next presentation
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Shekharji please declutter wire fakery incident and subsequent police and government actions against Wire. I am sure you will summon courage to enlighten your viewers on this issue. You are Avery senior journalist and so privy to maich more information than laymen who are depending on you to find the truth.
He won't do that as he also has a strong left wing support
he is chief of editors guild.. yet no guilt on his part for letting wire scot free
What happened at Wire?
@@kunti_putra They were caught fabricating a false case against BJP's Amit Malvia. They pretended that Instagram gave him special admin access to remove any content without any verification. Created fake documents and email chains and all.
Facebook staff and region head completely rubbished the claims (the emails were fake and didn't use the correct @ format,the language was not appropriate for the people involved, and technical terminology used was not related to the accusation).
Wire retracted the article with an apology but they were blatantly caught faking things.
Amit is suing them for defamation.
@@LatzViz Is he chief of editor's guild? In that case he must take action against Wire or at least chide them for the lapse.
V informative!
A good historical narration!
This is great news. Intact private aviation & maritime craft manufacturing & ownership should be encouraged by govt.
Very Nice SG...! ⭐❤
SG sir looks more dashing today than back in the day! :D
Systematic,precise analysis.
Thanks!
Hi Sunil,
Thanks for supporting our journalism.
India needs more manufacturing capacity. Tata-Airbus is a great deal that could in future pave way for A320 series assembly line. HAL is doing fine and even making Darniers apart from the fighters. No one in India would oppose a deal like Tata-Airbus. The only complaint for many is giving away public sector companies or assets for free. There is asset creation in this deal along with capacity building.
HAL is just license producing stuffs brought from outside for decades now. What is their contribution in making Indian aviation sector self reliant.
@@divinewind6313 May be you should check their product portfolio. There are several domestic developments. India does not print dollars to invest on research and there is very little acceptance for failure in India. Assembly line is the important aspect of development. Nvidia graphics cards made with Samsung and TSMC chips, that wouldn't make Nvidia contribution less. That's how any modern company works.
@@rodtukker1904 What about Tejas. Its older than me in research phase. Kudos to the current govt to bring babus in line and deliver.
Anyways competition to HAL is a good thing. Atleast it will make babus in HAL to work harder.
@@divinewind6313 Tejas is not just one project. There are 12 variants of upgrades and none of the . I am not in to Indian politics. Technically HAL did a good job on several products including redesigning several helicopters for High altitude sorties. HAL is a great company for the funding they receive.
All corporations and municipality is Curruption centers including Morbi or Mumbai or Delhi or culcutta or madras or Surat !! This need to be the priority for states
Corporation? You mean chorporation?
Great job
Thanks for updating the high tech products which we keenly follow up for self reliance
Very well narrated and kudos to you sir for the professional presentation
Canard at 4:30. Clever pun!
Very nice content Sir....great ☺🙏
V good discussion.
I do appreciate the significance of this great step. And I do wish it will florish
👍Thank you ShekarGuptaSir..🙏🙏.for the extensive and informative Journalism. It's worth listening...a lot of..Homework done...by the print worth it too....
I think AN-32 deserved a bit more coverage in this clip. It has continued to be the main workhorse from 1984 to today... But overall a good coverage. Kudos to you
Agree. The Sutlez (AN32) is a work horse and can anywhere; from Leh/Thoise to Tambaram, NAl or Chabua, anywhere anytime. They deserved more focus.
YOU CORRECT....HAWKER SIDDLEY & PACKETS took more time.....while AN32 GOT A SHORT SHRIFT. In fact Op Meghdoot was succesful due to the logistic ,and Air drops of the AN 32. having served in Partapur i have very fond memories of these planes!!
Excellent, informative and a comprehensive overview of transport aircrafts in IAF. Thanks Shekhar for his 'National Interest'. BTW, was Moraraji Desai not travelling in a helicopter when he met with that accident?
Hi Surendra,
Thanks for tuning in!
No. The crash happened with TU-124, the primary reason being the aircraft took off late from Delhi. It was a pilot error, though the weather also contributed.
Good...
Very interesting topic. India will master new skills.
I get a glimpse of what innovation is taking place in our engineering colleges through news papers.Disappointing.
When I see foreign mechanics fabricating motor bikes and modifying cars in Dicovery Turbo Channel & videos, I feel jealous. Ordinary mechanics experimenting and improvising bikes and cars with their own ideas and ingenuity. I look forward to our men and boys doing the same here in India. For me these motor experiments are important because these are the stepping stones for bigger skills.
Jaishankar said Western nations were not willing to give India anything. If this is true - how come India have its first aircraft carrier (used) with Harrier jump jets & 150 odd Jaguar strike aircrafts from the Brits, Dassault Mystère IV & Mirage 2000's from France, B-24J Liberator, Super Constellation and Sikorsky S-62B from the US and DHC-4 Caribou from Canada?
know history well they are from British raj times , when the British were asked to pay some money they vow they substituted them for money.
@@think4307 Your comment makes no sense. British raj times? since when did harrier were made during british raj? or for mystere even or even any other aircraft he said above?
@@ak06041 well u don't understand what jai shankar said. He was talking about transfer of tech and not ready-made ones. we never got any help with missiles, cryogenic, jet engine development, radar etc.
Thanks
It's a great step & we must pray that the HAL gets real competition. Can we expect Armed Drones which can fly more than 500 KM away hit the target & come back to be manufactured in India? That to by Private sector. That will be progress.
One suggestion is Shoot CZcams Shorts instead of 50 word Edit.
Excellent Shekharji
You should do more videos on defense
I see the avros flying around and it is good that newer aircraft will be coming up to replace them
Kudos to The print for such programmes.
My take. For any big economy to sustain over long periods a robust indigenous Defence industry is essential. Simply put, the money (dollars?) does not go out, better management of balance of trade, money goes into local econmy creating jobs and increasing GDP and above all self reliance…..
Tailpiece: Having a robust Defence manufacturing sector is like eating the cake and having too.
Hi,
Thanks for writing in.
Good 👍
@1:27 A correction: "Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics."
Plethora of information today !!
Interesting nevertheless ..
HAL is also making Dornier 228 for civil use
The success of such ventures is volume. Our Defence and HAL have to give orders and The later has to offload its demand for better quality and exports.
12:30 sir its epic true incident of Leh ladakh.. There's a whole chapter in our primary school book on this.
Logistics win wars. Jai hind ❤️
Beautiful
Nice CTC. We are now waiting for an episode on The Wire fiasco. Time for you to prove you are neither left nor right as you proclaim 😊
Sir,
I am wondering why you are not doing program on wire fiasco
Will there be any episode on Morbi incident?
SG rocks with his astounding and absolute command on the history of Trasport aircrafts in IAF. A true master.
MRO perhaps is Maintenance, Repair and Operations.
Perfect!!! First comment.
Nice to hear. Slowly India is pursuing the Make in India, MODIJI s dream project! 🙏🙏❤️❤️
Hopefully once more details are uncovered, a CTC on the Morbi Bridge Collapse will be made. It raises many questions and we cannot let governments get away without any accountability, especially so close to the elections. The public should be properly informed and your platform is a great way to enable it.
It happened in BJP ruled state. So it's not the politician's fault. It is the fault of 'babus'.
Strongly agree with you, I was expecting a CTC on Morbi
I won't be surprised if he doesn't make an episode on it. He likes to keep his Right Wing retard audience happy.
Local municipality manages local roads and bridges. This is an area of corruption still exists.
local municipalties are hub of corruptuon irrespective of state and party. accountability should be there and there should be quarterly audits.
France and India should collaborate in producing civilian aircrafts in India as India would require thousands of planes by next decade .
Wish you could share such war success stories against PLA!
Chandrashekar ji , Please emphasize on how this development was stalled for so many years by the Politics of India.
Get LT as well to manufacture aircraft, Tata should have some competition. Mahindra Group as well.
Go India building these military transportation planes and transmission to possible larger civilian transport planes and get some market share, especially away from CCP China. GO INDIA...from Midwest USA 👍
Pvt. sector should b given chance to compete for defence related manufacturing to ensure quality, innovative,tech base etc
public sector want a pie than it should compete rather than taking for granted which basically kill every thing from innovative ideas to technology
India Rocks! I I ❤❤ India and I May God bless India.
HAL is another one of those turtle-paced white elephant PSU that need to be phased out. Hopefully, this tata-airbus deal will mark a beginning of this phase.
There seems to be something fishy about Maharashtra losing 2 Big projects just 3-4 months before Gujrat election.
However, in larger scheme of things Indian forces needs aircraft, helicopters,tanks, etc on time and private sectors will be able to help us in achieving this.
The fishy thing was how much Hafta MVA and Uddhav Sena and his ilk were asking to get off their deep governance slumber.
@@libshastra 😂😂😂😂 Oh. I forgot. For 3+months, MVA is in power in Maharashtra and Uddhav is CM.
Sorry. My bad
These project left under MVA government rule.
Thanks for your information Guruji.. 🙏🙏
what was udhav doing for 3 years he should have followed up and completed
@@vijayajitkumar1 Are you a fool? During his era that project was not decided. Obviously it wld be under discussion.
If it was decided a week after BJP came to power, then it wld have been Uddhav mistake. 3 months in power os more than enough to sabotage or take the project.
If Uddhav has done anything wrong why der is no case against him?
By the way, for joblessness, Inflation, etc, congress is responsible.
For Petroleum prices, Russians are responsible.
For GDP rate going down, entire world is responsible.
And if anything positive happens, nothing was done in 70 years, World has not contributed anything but only Modi ji and BJP has done.
Enjoy this narrative.
Aankh ke andhe ko koi bhi , dekhana nahin sikha sakata....
What fishy ?
This happens everytime during elections🥱
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I was expecting something related to falling bridge in Gujarat and/or Brazil elections. Why not pick the burning topics SG sir?
He said he will do brasil later in prev episode
It's CTC not "breaking news"..... It takes some time to collect info to "cut the clutter". Like for example in the Morbi case what's the use of CTC without knowing who is to blame and why.
The C295 already exists, it was developed and manufactured by Spanish CASA in the 90s before Airbus acquired the company. It is currently produced in Spain, at the CASA/AIRBUS factory in Seville. Only in India, as part of a concession to the country for the purchase of 56 units, 40 units will be produced by TATA under license of CASA/AIRBUS, to help develop the aeronautic sector there (16 are being delivered directly from the manufacturing facilities en Spain). This means that TATA will produce it only for the Indian market and cannot sell it to anywhere else in the world.
Shekar can you talk about Chinese police stations in europe
Good story
Thank you central Government. 🙏
Veer tum bade chlo 👍👍
I would very much like the Gujarat's plane plant ,but for long term future of indian desi procurement, we should do what Americans are doing, having a small station of manufacturing in every state ,so politicians have a vested interest in keeping them
aj duggal ji defence expert bane h..😂
I am not fan of privatization,but this move good,since hal already has its hands full so if they get this order it will delayed,this will increase competition so hal will be forced to meet target,mixed economy of private public sector is the best thing for any country
Mixed economy may be best theoretically but it's not borne out by facts on the ground.
India should be encouraged more to private sectors for defense industry
1982 was golden jubilee.
Nice decision by govt
Nagpur is in the Centre of the Country. In the event of a war these kind of infrastructure are targeted and hence unsafe in terms of location.