Why GM Is Killing The Chevy Camaro After 57 Years
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- Since it rolled into dealerships in 1966, the Chevrolet Camaro has been one of the most famous American pony cars. It was General Motors’ answer to the Ford Mustang. It was also an affordable sports car - speed, muscle and even track-ready performance for a blue collar price. But the car is soon to disappear from GM’s lineup. GM is saying little about future plans, but facing a changing market, the company has been stripping sports cars and sedans out of its lineup for some time. It is also investing heavily in EVs. Some say an EV version of the Camaro could be a possibility. Fans hope it will return, but that the car can retain its classic appeal.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:05 - The love of the Camaro
05:24 - A dying brand
11:04 - Impact on GM
Produced by: Robert Ferris
Shot and Edited by: Natalie Rice
Animation: Jason Reginato, Christina Locopo
Senior Managing Producer: Tala Hadavi
Additional Camera: Emily Lorsch
Additional Footage: Getty, Chevrolet, Ford, Stellantis, GMC, Cadillac
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Why GM Is Killing The Chevy Camaro After 57 Years
GM isn't ending the Camaro after 57 years. It's ending the Camaro, again, after 14 years.
14 years-of the old same 1st generation style Camaro.
@Marc Torres Not really. 2 different platforms (chassis), different engines (direction injection vs not having direct injection), different interior and exterior. From a non cat person view, they look the same. From a car person view, they are not the same.
Want to talk about not changing a vehicles looks for decades? Look at a Challenger, Charger, Tacoma, Wrangler or a GT-R. The differences between a 5th and 6th gen Camaro (exterior) is much more noticeable than those.
They’re not ending it at all. This video is either clickbait or just wrong. GM says a new Camaro will be released sometime after the current gen ends as a 2024 model.
@@joshualewis393 I actually just meant the body style. It's a newer version throwback of the 1967 69 models. I understand everything else is completely new and different.
@@joshualewis393 Leave the Tacoma out of this. It's perfect just the way God made it.
In 2030 - Why GM is resurrecting the Chevy Camaro after 7 years...
Anything is possible. They just started working on the sixth gen V8 and they said the 2029 Corvette (C9) will be gas powered with that engine. Who's to say a new Camaro won't have it too? Probably wishful thinking but hey, why not?
The fact 2030 is only 7 years away is crazy to me LOL
Yeah, but it will probably return as an EV. : (
@@seismic6435 Facts. Im only 19 and it feels like im halfway through my life….
@@shaybapple With a price tag around $125k? You can buy it for me!
My mom bought a Camaro in 67. It was Butternut yellow with gold interior, and by that I mean everything was gold: seats, carpet, headliner, steering wheel, everything. It was a 327/ 210 hp, two speed auto with a console. She paid 2200.00 for it new. Five dollars got you filled up from dead empty. Those were the days.
And people averaged $87 a WEEK (source Chi Tribune from US Census data), you know like $2.18 an hour, so the car cost 1,000 hours of work before taxes. The Camaro was an average cost car then. An average car cost $48k now, but that is very much sent off average because of the stupidly high cost of trucks and luxury cars that were not popular in 1967. Even so the average salary today is $29.7 an hour so yeah it is more than 1000x more, but the vehicle is objectively much less polluting, much safer, much more powerful, much more efficient, and more reliable. So the thing is now are the days.
My family’s first car when we came to America was a 76 Camaro. Not really sure why, since it’s not a family car and there were four of us. Years later, when I turned 16, I was going to fix up that Camaro. I remember people coming by wanting to buy it because it was 25 years old. My dad donated it to charity. I almost had a stroke.
That sucks
You're dad did a idiotic move there
It is a shame that so many foreigners regard a car that is not brand new as just junk. So many nice cars have been lost this way.
Car prices are outrageous compared to what they used to be. A young adult in the 70's-80's could buy a brand new car 10x easier than they could today. Now a car, like a Camaro, which was the cheaper sport option is reserved for the same people who bought Corvettes. It's no surprise they are cutting all these iconic names. It's not like people don't want them, they just can't afford them.
That's very true
IMO...too much electronic crap. Make them simple....
@@JusticeAlways Agreed, and easy to work on and modify.
you are totally wrong, the amount of opportunities people have today, they never had them before and it was harder to earn money then, but things were cheaper, now its easier to earn money but things are expensive
GREED BEA T S PASSION
I love my Mustang. That said, I love Challengers and Camaros as well. It breaks my heart seeing the demise of the Challenger and Camaro. It's tragic.
They are all doomed. The forced ending of internal combustion engine cars will see to that.
But yeah, Mustang, Challenger and Camaro just belong together like ice cream, bananas, chocolate sauce, nuts, strawberries, whipped cream.. . . . . etc.
@@randolfo1265 At least Ford stated they were giving their fanboys one more generation of the Mustang and didn't turn their back on us like Chevy and Dodge did. In Dodge's defense, Stellantis is calling the shots so they didn't have a choice.
Honestly I almost died when I saw that 4 door Mustang. Blasphemy!
@@TubeAmerica It's not a Mustang. Ford actually admitted they stuck the Mustang name on the Mach E as a marketing gimmick, and it worked to a point. My neighbor has one and even he acknowledges that it's not a Mustang.
totally agree.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason why we have the ZL1, the GT500, and the Hellcat is because of the competition. All car fans should hope for a continuation of the ponycar wars because it's what gives us better cars
i was surprised when the old man said he fell in love with the Camaro after watching Transformers. i caught me off guard.
They'll bring it back as an EV SUV just to get one last kick to the bag for the fans.
No. They won't.
Not ev, but gas powered suv is possible (A source inside General Motors told us that Chevrolet, after years of hesitation, will finally follow many other sports-car makers by expanding the legendary Corvette sports-car brand to encompass vehicles beyond two-seaters. [...] the first Corvette SUV will be powered by a gasoline engine and will ride on the same platform that underpins the Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing and CT5-V Blackwing) @caranddriver
I doubt it. Not because I'd put it past GM, but because the Blazer already looks like someone slapped the Camaro's face on an SUV.
@@gradientO I have heard EV (or hybrid) coupe not anything about a Camaro SUV.
Doubtful, a Corvette SUV is in the works also the new Blazer SS EV is kinda the "Camaro EUV" already. IMO a hybrid coupe would return...
Holding on to my 2010 Camaro SS, not for it’s potential value, but for it’s value to me
Smart
Still have my 2002 SS SLP 35TH Anniversary edition from my 21st birthday! 25K garaged all its life, on its 3rd engine lol. Turbo plus stock bottom end equals bad news....
Keeping my inferno orange 2011 Camaro SS with a new GM performance LS3 495 HP crate engine
@@Blas4ublasphemy I also have the same 35th Anniversary, 4th-Gen 2002 SS with the SLP Package and a 6-Speed Manual. It has never been driven "in any rain" nor "in any snow". Also, it is garage-kept with only 75,000 miles on the original LS1 Engine for almost 22 Years. My SS does not have any Performance Mods yet, it's all Factory.
But, way to go man, good choice 👍👍!!
@@kevinsmith8003 Awesome, you have the Hurst shifter and "CME" center mount exhaust? Had the later stock LS6 block too till I windowed it.
A. They're not selling enough of them. B. They're just too expensive for a lot of people to buy them
GM didn't Even Try to sell them!!! And the witch Obama sent to GM (CEO) to bring GM To its k eens !!! Does ev's go green RING A BEL !!
Honestly this is a simple fix.
#1 Redesign it to make it a bit more like the Mustang. Make it more user friendly so that the average customer will consider it.
#2. Be like Ford and make sure you have so many unit on lot at all times.
#3. Stay away from making it EV. GM doesn't seem to understand that their client base (Especially for the Camaro) doesn't want EV. It 100% destroys the heritage of it, it doesn't have the rumble, that feeling that Camaro's, mustangs and Challengers have. They want vehicle with character and I'm sorry but EV's just aren't that.
#4. All of the auto manufacturers can't not continue to take losses. So EV's are only going to get more expensive as these companies have to make a profit. So all the manufacturers should make it simple. Let Governments fine them and put those fine costs into the EV's MSRP's. If they all stood up for each other, the government will back off because they will have too.
Simple.
Are you truly saying that the Rimac Nevera and Aspark Owl don’t have character?
@ModernVintage31 meh, they are okay. But looks wise I'd take a Lamborghini or Astin Martin etc over either of those two...
Also a super car is very different than a Camaro
Well, us Pontiac and Oldsmobile gearheads feel your pain.
I'm a mustang guy but I have a lot of respect for the camaro it's truly an iconic car in its own right and it's gonna be sad to see it go hopefully they bring it back someday and do it justice for camaro fans and give it the love and attention it deserves something they should have done with the 6th gen camaro
The new Mustang borrowed a lot of styling elements from the Camaro so I can see a lot of Camaro guys either switching up to a Corvette or settling down with a Dark Horse
Just like Jeff Gordon visiting Dale Earnheart’s Grave, We say Farewell to our greatest Rival
@alex kennedy they are going to keep the v8 mustang for about 10 more years then slowly transition it into a ev unfortunately but the mustang isn't going anywhere
Mustang guy also, ‘twas my first car and I still own it, and I agree with everything you just said. so much respect. It’s almost more sad to see our competitors fall, than to see our own beloved nameplate fall onto a ev crossover. LONG LIVE MUSTANG CARSSSSS
Mustang girl agrees. How can you have a Mustang without a Camaro & Challenger. They go together.
My first car was a 1973 Camaro. It was a pretty ugly thing but I loved the sound and it moved pretty well. When I got the 5th and 6th gen, it was so freaking awesome~! 8" display, HUD, visibility monitor etc. I never been so proud to own one. They are beautiful RS cars. After all this time, I still was use to the limited outward visibility. Well really, I never had a problem seeing anything outside. I had all these cameras! :)))) Cheers bye Camaro!
GMs best ideas always came from rogue visionaries not from committees. The Camaro/Firebird rivalry was a bit of genius because GM supplied both of the competitors. after the last Camaro reboot the Camaro was competing against Corvette another car from its own stable . The styling of the recent Camaros is somewhat bland and subtle for the high price.
we are living in the saddest car times as enthusiasts
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@@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669
"INCOMING!!!"
(Note, I agree!)
@@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669 So cringe.
@@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669 I like my steak grilled not microwaved.
@@ChrisFromFloriduh Enjoy that steak, i'm a Vegan , never been to a hospital except for a cut and 2 stitches, when you have Cancer remember me , " RED MEAT🥩 🍗and 🥓 Steaks might be the cause"
Proud Z28 owner here. I purchased my Camaro in 1976. And I still own it. It is going to be 50 years old soon. A rare vehicle to own!
Hope you pass it on
I hope who ever you do pass it to loves it as much.
Bought my 94Z28 new. Mine forever. Enjoy your Camaro!
I have a 69 convertible…..love it.
The rest of the trailer park must think your so cool....
One thing what sucks about the Camaros is why does it have 4 catalytic converters while the Corvettes only have 2?
My 1st new car was a mid 80s Camaro which I bought starting grad school the odometer would only go to 99k I got about 148k in 4yrs when it got rear ended but my experience was that the engine was fine but everything else just after 2yrs started to go bad I went the Bimmer way and that car almost everything worked after almost 20yrs of ownership…still have some good memories of the Camaro
One thing has always puzzled me. I am bi-racial, and have always wondered why Black folks call a BMW a Beemer, but White folks call it a Bimmer.
@@michaelbenardo5695 you need to be initiated on the bmw world 😄bimmer is the car, beemer is the bike
The problem is sport cars for many people are their second vehicle, having something more practical as a primary vehicle. Today fewer people can afford such a luxury.
you are spot on, my manual audi s5 is a secondary vehicle to my family suv
That is 100% correct.
My daily driver is a Nissan Frontier and i have 3 sports cars.
Thanks to Biden and his inflation economy.
Not sure why the crossover, a needlessly tall, un-aerodynmanic, heavier vehicle superseded sedans which handle better, are safer, offer a locking trunk and are just plain more fun to drive. With our sedans, we raised kids and all their crap, , carried my extensive video equipment, and with folding back seats, my road and off-road bikes away from the elements, all without having to drive a top heavy, unsightly box on wheels, instead of a car. It's my belief if more people drove the equivalent sedan over the SUV model they would see (and feel) the advantages. Sadly, our choices for rear drive, high performance sedans are pretty much limited to German, Swedish, Japanese and Korean options. The 25 year old Dodge Charger, is the sole popularly priced American sedan. RIP sedans.
As a Camaro owner this brings a tear to my eye 😢
Me too. A am glad I have my 2021 camaro RS
Agee it’s terrible especially the last year is an appearance package.
Mary led
You only have 1 eye? What happened?
It’s ugly. Needs a total new design.
I still remember a friend's '68 Z28 with the Thunderbird speedometer. His dad worked at Ford, and the T-Bird speedometer went higher than the Camaro’s! 😃
This is so sad. I always like Camaros ever since I saw Transformers and liked Bee. It was always so fun to see the iconic Mustang vs Camaro battle in Transformers and in real life. An iconic duo sadly coming to an end. People just can't afford new cars anymore like the good old days because they are way too expensive. 😔
As a Mustang owner that has converted and bought a Corvette C7. I feel for my Camaro cousins. I never had the pleasure of owning one. But they are beautiful cars. A sad day to watch our V8 icons dwindle away. But I bet it will have an amazing revival in the future.
you lose
Same here. 1966 mustang, 2001 mustang, 2007 GT500...then that C7 came out and now I'm on the C8
People who are not enthusiasts underestimate how important the feel, and the sound of an internal combustion engine is to the driving experience, especially with a manual.
Can't miss what you never had 😢😢
@@gearheadgregwi Are you deaf then?
@@shootshellz when everything is a turbo 4-banger or electric? "Everyone" is deaf to the V8. Tree falls in a forest...
@@gearheadgregwi they won't be deaf when i pull up beside them.... 🤣
@@mrmustangman amen brother!! 😅😅😅 I used to own a Ford with straight six. It guzzled gas like an alcoholic. Screamed on the highway from being geared so low. But, man... I miss working on that old iron!!
My friend in HS had a '69 Camaro SS with a 350, 4-barrel engine and we dropped in a high lift cam, gear drive with a few other goodies and it sounded pretty damn sweet.
I went to a 2003-2009 car show the other day. Open parking lot was nice.
Sports cars are on a steady decline because of the price gouging and dealers ludicrous mark up. Where I live, even the small sports cars are priced more than suvs.
It’s called economy of scale. 5% to 1% marketshare is fatal.
And Tesla is way faster then these old school vehicles
@@TortillaPapi 0-60, sure. But what about 60 to 120?
@@TortillaPapi They’ll never be as fun though. Ever.
@@TortillaPapi no sound=not interesting
its not just the sound of the v8 we love. its the shaking of the car as it idles. the smell of the gas. the heat from the exhaust. the whine from the supercharger. EVs will never replace that no matter how quick they are.
Yes, EV’s will and already ARE taking over
@@TortillaPapi he's referring to the experience of driving the car lol.. not about anything "taking over" or w/e you're talking about
Not to mention the weight of the car. I understand that EVs are fast in a straight line, that's well and good. But you can't change physics, it's impossible to hide the thousands of extra pounds in a turn.
Teslas are fast and fun to the lowest common denominator, but the second you've got a turn in the road they handle like slugs.
lifelong camaro lover here, and i have no problem with electrics. if i want soul I will ride a horse (they actually have one).
@@TortillaPapi yeah, like on any circuit they can't even finish a single lap before crashing down or running out of batteries. "Taking over" ROFLMAO
I love Camaros and always loved them as a kid when I watched Transformers when I was 5 years old. It’s so sad the Camaro is getting discontinued but I know there’s a lot of problems in the Car industry and the inflation makes it worse.
If GM and Chevrolet is making an Electric Camaro I hope it looks futuristic and with the 6th gen aspect but better. And Chevy can add fake Camaro sounds to be optional in his EV Muscle, so that the essence is not lost
inflation comes and goes- all you have to do is get the timing right. inflation doesn't directly affect the motor business because its just a sign of the times
My first car was a 2011 Camaro SS it will always hold a special spot in my heart… I feel it won’t be gone long
If you are a real car enthusiast you can not hate a Camaro , Mustang or a Challenger ,no matter what your favorite car brand is .
....exactly, it's iconic...I've owned a cobra, a mustang, and my son has a camaro...NO regrets ever.....
Those are all garbage
They are all domestic crap. The challenger is fat barge you can’t see out of but has a market with people who value high numbers in their engine but low numbers with their credit score. The mustang is a rental car and also the defining value domestic sports car. Like no enthusiast wanted to be in a GT over a M2. The Camaro was always just #2 to the latter and therefore is dying.
@japanwatchconnection You seem more the go-cart type.
🎯
I can’t help but think that Ford and GM are setting themselves up for failure by completely getting rid of “car” production. The only reason sales are so low for cars is because you can’t buy one because they don’t make them.
totally. No one will make a good sedan anymore, it's ridiculous.
All the new cars is kinda ugly tho they have a funny shape and too many hatchbacks...the interior is the only thing that stand out
@@Wren6858 They all want to copy the Japanese - small, cramped, rough-riding, ugly, noisy, and just plain lousy to drive.
i have a 2016 Dodge Challenger Hellcat, a 2024 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS and a 1970 Chevelle SS. My Cousin bought a 1967 Camaro SS 396 375hp and my dad had a 1967 Chevelle.
My first car was a 1978 Camaro Type Lt with T-tops when I was in high school .
They stopped making Camaros for a period before. It'll be back as an all electric in a few years.
100%. They'll see how Dodge does, learn from it and Ford, then bring back the eCamaro.
Honestly, if it weren't for the lack of noise and vibration, electric cars would be fantastic muscle cars.
More than likely a hybrid...
@@ljmorris6496 Hybrid is worse than either gas or electric
@@evilbred974 How?, I don't want a Tesla wannabe
Although it's disheartening to hear that GM is ending the Camaro's production, we should appreciate the incredible legacy it leaves behind.
GMs legacy will be BK# 1 & 2 .😂LOL
What I think EVs will do is bring mid 21st Century iterations of any number of classics. VW just made a new EV Microbus. Skateboard platforms make this incredibly easy. Even GM will eventually catch up 😎👍(or die)
@@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO
I would hope they die.
Mustang all day
It ended in 2002...
Let it go...
Transformers, the Nascar at LeMans, i feel like chevrolet has enough publicity to make its sales go up if they take the right decision. Truly a legendary American sports car
People need to get over the 100% electric kick.... batteries just aren't there yet.
Putting all your chips in a tech that isn't ready is suicide.
I think GM actually tried to save the Camaro by offering the LT1 trim, but consumers want all the luxury features too and by the time all the options are added up, you basically have a 1SS. The LT1 captured the essence of what a true muscle car used to be back in the 60s and 70s.
I love my LT1
I think the front end of the camaro killed the car. It's just fugly as hell.
Starting with a Beetle, now a Camaro fan... A proper Bumblebee guy!
Thank you!! I was lucky to be part of this short story and the Transformers movie did motivate me to but my 2010 Camaro (in yellow of course)!
@@BumblebeCamaro My first car was also a 65 beetle. But the "Standard" version that was not sold in the US. No chrome, no gas gauge (reserve lever), small "nose" on the hood, foot switch high beams, 30PS 1200cc and of course 6V.
That man bleeds high octane
beetles are no fun unless they can pull wheelies
I am a BMW guy now, but my first car was a 4th-Gen Catfish Camaro. These cars will always have a place in my heart! Sad to see them axe it again. I am sure it will be back.
My favorite was the catfish ss 305 hp cheaper than the gen 5 but lighter and in mods can be faster, it retains the angry look too.
The V8 Camaro option doesn’t average 16mpg. It’s combined average is 22mpg (about 30 on highway).
Check your sources
The reason car sales have dropped so much is because the manufacturers aren't making cars anymore for the US market simply because they can make more money on big trucks and SUVs.
That's because they can't make the kind of cars people want, they can only make Japanese-style cars, which some of us do NOT want. Chrysler kept making some, but they refused to make enough styling changes and stopped advertising it, which destroyed sales.
@@michaelbenardo5695 What do you mean by Japanese style cars? The Ford Fusion was a good seller for Ford, but they got rid of it and other cars for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is fuel economy related.
EVs may pin you in your seat. However, nothing will replace the feeling in your bones from the rumble of the muscle car engine.
That is why I choose to have both.
You can simply add vibrators to your seats.
@@bltzcstrnx Thats what powers EV’s though.
Don't worry EVs will fall out of favor
@@allentoyokawa9068 probably in an oil rich countries. Many can't depend on too many oil imports though, these countries are betting on EV to combat their bulgoining oil imports deficits.
Let's not forget there was a huge gap between 2002 and 2010 when there were no new Camaros. So it isn't quite 57 years.
Also, the age of the small, impractical 2 or 2 + 2 sportscar or ponycar is kind of gone. Sales numbers for these kinds of cars are very low, performance of "normal" EVs is so good that the V8 ponycars are lagging behind. With the low CG of an EVs the low bodies of ponycars no longer provide a big advantage, and it has simply become a drawback. They lack space, you sit low, you can't see well, etc...
They became niche.
I’ve had two SS 1998 and 2010 both were great cars. Too bad, I bet it will be back.
The Camaro will always have a special place in my heart. The Camaro is the reason why I got into American muscle and the Car scene
Car prices are definitely a factor. I do think if they'd bother building one with decent visibility it would help.
yea this, i was not impressed with the pillbox-like vis
Funny you say that, when I saw the Bumblebee Camaro I just knew I had to have one, till I sat in one at a dealership, and couldn’t see crap as it was like I sat down in a bucket. So it wasn’t for me cause I’d never be comfortable driving it.
That's why I never purchased one even though I really wanted a Camaro over the last 10 years.
Camaros are so well priced. The most bang for your buck.
@@justinx9892apparently that still wasn’t enough tho
I love these kinds of vehicle documentary videos. 😊
It’s just more and more evident that the people in charge these days simply just don’t get it when it comes to these kind of cars. 😢
Of course not. The woke ass folks who have no real passion in their lives. It’s no surprise.
I own a 1984 z28, v8 5 speed. Its been my daily driver every summer for almost 40 years. All original, numbers matching. Pushing 300k kms. Built to last
Congratulations prices are about to skyrocket.
thats what i tell guys who just got smoked by a '73 datsun 510 sedan- "yeah, but the numbers don't match"
@@tommurphy4307 ive got two datsuns both original everything , slow but looks and sounds great. 2valve 4cylinder 1.8l
22 2SS 1LE M6 owner here, one of the best cars I've ever owned as far as all around performance. An absolute track monster, road course of course.
Me too 2023 2ss 1le m6 all black. The car is awesome.
‘22 1SS 1LE A10, did 7 track days last year. It walks away from “faster” more expensive cars. Had a ‘14 1SS 1LE before that.
I have a 22 1se LMNOP zztop rs71 Camaro myself
@@fartdonkey8290 f u
Yeh...mine is a 17' Super Sport 6 speed manual. Most fun car I have owned and I have owned 60s era muscle in the 70s. Also had a 5th Gen camaro before this. Both great cars but the 6th gen just takes it to the next level.
The same thing happening the first time they ended them, they priced themselves out of the market. Simply put, the people who wanted them can't afford them, and the people who can afford don't want them anymore.
I hated this before I found out manufacturers were going all electric. Now I think it's a good send off for it, I'd hate to see an electric Camaro! I love my '81.
I'm a Mustang fan and I think the traditional 'Mustang' is right behind it. But unfortunately, I understand it even if I don't like it. Times are changing, and so are the consumer tastes.
I'm gunna hold on to my three pedals just as long as I can though!
I am a Mustang fan as well. I just came back from Shelby Las Vegas. My father is restoring a 1969 Camaro and said that he is going to give it to my son. My son just received his license. I wonder if this is something that they will work on together.
Gen Z wants V8s and manual transmissions. Most cant afford them.
@@ChrisFromFloriduh MOst Gen Z (98%) don't know how use a stick...well at least the one in the car.
@@ChrisFromFloriduh I think you mean Gen X
I just wish I could get 3 pedals in my mid sized GM trucks. But just like the V8 they are going away because government emissions standards, now all I can get is a turbo 4 cylinder in my mid sized GM truck. Now a twin turbo V6 in my GM mid sized truck now that would be power to weight I would LOVE to feel. I know the new 24' Toyota Tacoma has it but its a hybrid so I would wait about 4yrs so they can fix any bugs
I've owned 5 Camaro's and have recently left the brand once I realized there would not be anymore gasoline powered Camaro's, it's a sad day for all the real Camaro enthusiasts.
Me too I drive a ram now absolutely love it 93k miles on it now 2019 5th gen, I was physically ill to my stomach signing the paperwork felt like i was committing treason.. Still have my 2010 pace car maro though hoping it will go up more in value.
@@bmf88 Yeah man it sucks it looks like the government is pushing everyone to get electric cars, but it's really short sighted and will backfire long term.
@@bmf88 When gas is 6.00 to 8.00 a gallon, the value will be iffy.
@@patcurrie9888 Let’s go Brandon 🇺🇸
@@bmf88 too bad its not a ragtop- then it might actually appreciate...
I've still got the power and the noise with my '69. At least for now.
The end of an era is always kinda sad. That I hope one day all loud cars will be outlawed. The noise pollution in cities or the major disturbance of peace in the country when one comes thru, is awful.
For me as kid it was always the transformer car ❤
My first muscle car was a Camaro. Ever since then, I’ve been looking for another Camaro to buy to enjoy on the weekends. I never cared about gas mileage when buying a muscle care, I want the power and fun when I hit that pedal to the floor. Sad the company is folding the brand instead of working harder to save it. I lost a ton of faith in GM after they had back to back bankruptcies. This tells me the company isn’t making good decisions still and this Camaro decision tells me they are making more bad decisions now.
And;
With GM continuing to make bad decisions, in time they'll tank again asking the government for another bail out at the expense of hardworking, poor tax paying citizens.
top execs siphoning the company's money out of it....
GM just goes woke
But let’s look on the Bright side. Everybody is celebrating the fact that they are led by a woman and that they have more women on their Board of Directors than any other automobile company. That’s what counts!
@@garrylogan5995 To their credit, they did repay the money.
The " COME-BACK ":
Tks.
I love classic Camaros as well then the new I proudly own a 2011 black SS convertible Camaro and I always get compliments ❤
Sales have been tanking over the last several years which is why GM discontinuing the Camaro.
For the sake of 300 lbs savings, the downsizing was an issue, and then throw in a 4 banger into the mix. No wonder sales tanked as Challenger's sales remained.
cause it’s like 40k for a base version
@@osvaldorubalcava9721 it’s 26k lol
@@brettspires7746 plus 10k in markup
@@osvaldorubalcava9721 the base models aren’t really getting marked up much at all
Watching this video I can't help but notice how old many of the fans are. Old people is not a demographic most companies chase. Sucks, but there it is.
From an economical standpoint of view, I can fully comprehend the discontinuation of the Camaro, it wasn´t worth to hold it on. From a german petrol head perspective it´s a sad moment, every time such icone disappears. I´m even happier that in 2020 I saved myself one of these last Camaro masterpieces, a manual shifted 6th GEN ZL1 in beautiful silver ice! It´s an incredible car to look at every angle and perspective, combined with an insane driver feeling and bloodcurdling sound.
As a car guy this is a hard pill to swallow……I’ve been a motorhead since I was a child but was unable to enter the market until 2 years ago due to my age. (25 years old) I envy people who got to grow up with 454s and gas guzzlin motors.
You're not a car guy. You like baby-boomer Americana culture.
Not too late to buy one. Go old school. Screw electrics.
I won't buy an electric until the range goes over 400 miles, the price is reasonable and not needing government credits, and there is a standard charging interface and enough charging stations with a short recharge time.
Electrics are going to be dope-but it would be nice to keep making legendary legacy cars.
Also, the Camaro has been discontinued before. It’ll be back.
@@johnschnellbach986 I probably won’t ever buy electric or even modern for that matter. Too hard to work on yourself and more and more modern cars are permanently connected to the internet and companies are increasingly using monthly fees/subscriptions to allow you to use items that are already on the car.
I’ll stick with my 2009 Holden VE Commodore V8. Old enough to be easily worked on and young enough to have enough mod cons to be comfortable (aircon, power steering, etc).
@@johnschnellbach986 That's actually very reasonable; EVs are fine as long as the range is road trip worthy and the charging infrastructure is there.
I purchased a 2017 2SS 6MT in 2021 as a used car. That is an excellent car. It gets far better mileage than one would think. In fact, it has become my highway cruiser. I also own an1994 Honda Prelude, and a 2018 Nissan Titan. The Camaro SS with 455hp, gets the best mileage out of all of them.
How much mileage?
Those 6th gen Camaro's are nice, specifically in the bang for the buck department. It's always been that way throughout all of the generations, for instance the Camaro's astonishing lap time at Nürburgring. I've owned many Camaro's over the years in one form or another and still do today, everyone of them treated me just fine.
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Model Y is most Efficient SUV Already.
TESLA model Y is a BEST seller Worldwide in Q1 2023.
@@markplott4820 I'm glad that you like it. Now. Back to talking about cars, and not appliances.
@@J.Wick. - TESLA makes BETTER cars than DETROIT .
RIP gm & FUD motors.
I rented a 2010 SS on a trip way back in the day. It was a brand new convertible and a joy to sit in. I rolled up on a ratty looking C4 Corvette heavily tinted. I saw long hair and thought I would get a look, but it turned out to be a dude; he dropped a gear and took off. There was no way to get the LS2 powered Camaro on the chase at that point. Just sluggish, and I was so shocked he would even try it. I also had a heavily modded similar year Camaro roll up on me on the highway; that thing took off and would have left the earth if it had wings, probably hit 120mph. Florida, a good place to see just how fast everybody is. My daily at that point was a C5 Z06, so it was highly instructive to where the new Camaro SS sat in power and speed, just not enough.
This mandated shift towards electric cars is a tricky issue facing all sports and enthusiast marks, not just the GM brands.
What is a muscle car without a rumbling V8 and the option of shifting cogs yourself? What is a Porsche without a flat-6 in the back? What is a Lambourghini without a screaming V12 behind you? The sound and character was not incidental with these cars, but a defining (and desirable) feature of them.
EVs might work in daily-driver type family cars and luxury cars where silence and detachment are ok, but it's much more difficult to engineer-in character and involvement into an EV sports car and I will watch with interest how manufacturers go about attempting this.
That being said, if you are fortunate enough to own one of these petrol powered cars, look after it and hang onto it, because they will never be made this way again! The Camaro name may return at some point, but this is the final chapter of "original recipe" Camaros and sports/enthusiast cars in general. It is the end of an era.
The real reason for drops in sales are the dealer mark-ups period..and that goes for a lot of cars in this class, how can someone financially justify paying almost half more than what the car is worth for a vehicle that not practical?
No. They just have not managed to keep up with the dodge charger/challenger. So much history that they could have used to truly compete with dodge but they just fumbled the ball. Also the body style got old, hadn't really changed significantly since it came back in 09.
The guy said only 22k cameros were sold in 2022. Well Dodge sold 80k Chargers and 55k Challengers in that same year.
As a proud Charger owner, I agree with Mack 100%.
Dodge has done the retro muscle car better than Ford and Chevy.
They ate way more popular and the Charger is probably the best value.
They all have their strong points but Dodge rules this market. Irs just a fact.
All 3 companies will take a severe beating going electric.
Buyers of these cars especially, dont want electric.
The crooked government is forcing it, it's up to the public to say F%#k Off.
The Mustang MachE or whatever is a joke. If you gave that to me I'd sell it immediately and buy a Scat Pack
Sad to see these muscle cars go. I won't buy electric no matter what. It's all BS
@@mack.... thou there is truth to your statement it doesn’t take away from my original statement, I at one point was in the market for a New Scat pack and I’ve see. Mark-ups on them will into 10k again dealers are the Slow demise of these manufacturers models
@@mikebarra6828 A FOUR DOOR 'sports car'? NOPE!
@@shootshellz
It's not a Sports Car.
It's a Muscle Car that is a 4dr sedan, but thats kind of irrelevant...I do love the Challenger as well, but the Charger has way better visibility and I have a family, so the 4doors is actually easier.
Their sales say it all...
I think another reason sales dropped is because GM hasn't updated the look of the new one much at all since its rerelease. The old angry transformer look is getting tired.
I gues only Porsche and a few others can reuse their design and people will be ok
i think its its quality and constant recalls, and cost and lack of vision in styling dept ,as i can honestly say my 1980 z28 camaro 350 4sp muncie and posi was far nicer and more reliable and also my 88 iroc was so much better looking and fun to drive.We've owned 4 gm vehicles ,but failure by GM and Dealerhip to tell us about recalls on our newer cars has made any future purchase by us on any GM vehicles a higly unlikely venture ,due to the way us as customers have been treated poorly by GM and there dealerships.
Also, the horrible set up of the Camaro. You can’t see anything behind you. It’s basically the same car for the last 20 years.
You mean the angry look that every single car manufacturer has since imitated? Honda and Toyota are the worst offenders.
@@midnighttornado22honda design language is one of the best in industry dont ever compare them to toyota
Being in high school in the 80s, they were everywhere. They were a dime a dozen.
there's one or more in every town
@tom murphy and in the auto mechanics dept for the high schoolers to work on if they wanted to move onto trade school
3:23 this guys hair looks like its glued on 💀💀
I've had two Camaros, both white and V6's. The first one was a new 2002 35th Anniversary (the year they paused until 2010). The second one was a used (24K miles on it) 2011 LS which I got in December 2012. I had that one for ten years and three months. I enjoyed both cars, they're fun to drive.
LOL they paused, you mean they cancelled it and brought it back
@@Julez44182 true 😅💯
V6 SMH
Yall frame this like the Camaro wasnt discontinued 3 times before
The Camaro (and Firebird) has only been canceled once before in 2002.
GM will be CANCELLED if they get no BAILOUT#2. count on it
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Yeah, but we know it's for real this time...at least in its current gas-powered form.
Well... it wasn't.
It was canceled once before.
The first new car I purchased was a '79 Berlinetta just before I started college. That was my daily driver until '88 what it was totalled by a a dump truck rear ending me. I hurried and purchased a '78 Z28, 4-speed, 350, t-tops. Piece of junk--hidden issues with a used car. Just a few months after suffering with "the Beast," I purchased an '88 IROC (305, 5spd, t-tops), I've now had this car for 35 years.
So happy I got my 2017 SS 3 months ago and it’s the 50th anniversary edition never getting rid of that I hope people get the newer Camaros before they end just sad times man 😢
Comes down to bang for the buck. Fox body LX Sedan 5.0 Mustang, 99 LS1 Camaro, and 5.7 Hemi Challenger nailed it. Once the B4TB ratio expanded due to overhyped pricing, markups, and high cost options, the downfall started.
👀 better be thanking me 4 dat!
I'm a Corvette owner now, but I've owned three Camaros in the past.. 93 Z-28, 2001 SS and a 2011 SS/RS. I was bummed when they discontinued them in 2002. I'm sure they'll bring it back as a slot car, but thankfully there are plenty of gas powered ones to be had used for a long long time.
They may resurrect the Camaro nameplate in a compact SUV, as Mitsubishi has done with the new Eclipse. That'd be a shame.
@@hachiroku8677
Or ford Mustang plugin 🤦🏾♂️
Gas hikes as EV's take off will turn off some enthusiasts.
there's always hot wheels treasure hunts.....
@@tommurphy4307 Of course, fortunately I'll still have the drivable versions the rest of my life. Hopefully people still will for many decades after I'm gone.
i am the owner of that red 79 z/28 at 2:10 i’m a young kid that likes the older generations and hopefully the camaro gets another shot in a couple years. p.s. i was shredding a lot of rubber that day and took some of the camera people for a ride lol.
Mustang fan and owner here and I'm still sad....because ultimately I'm a car guy.
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I remember writing about the possibility of a 5th Gen Camaro in 2002 for a college writing class.
GM has never learned the lesson of how to preserve brand legacies. It’s not about retro styling, which is equivalent to the Hollywood “80s reboot” craze. It’s about allowing new technologies to evolve, while keeping the purpose and function of a particular car brand the same.
A great example is the Impala SS. The ‘94 to ‘96 Impala was brilliant, because it evolved while still being what an Impala was meant to be: a full size mid-level luxury passenger car with enough muscle under the hood to make driving fun.
As soon as the Impala became a wimpy, mid-size, entry level economy car, it died a slow, horrible death.
The GMT400 trucks are another great example. The 90s reimagined look for the C/K series of trucks and rebranding them as the Silverado and Sierra didn’t diminish the customer demand for a solidly built truck with an interior and fit & finish a step above entry-level Ford and Dodge half-tons, while there was still plenty of demand until 1991 for the previous generation “square body” C/K Series.
To be fair, GM hold the longest running nameplate for a vehicle - the Suburban
@@charlieruns7953 that's right I still have my 1987 3 quarter ton with the 454 engine in it
Let us not forget about the rising phoenix! GM should have NEVER axed Pontiac, instead they should have axed Buick!! lol
@@TheRealJLucas, but that’s the thing: Buicks were selling like hotcakes to Chinese businessmen as the better investment per gross vehicle weight compared to BMW, Mercedes, and Maserati. Pontiac was just the “driving excitement” brand guys like Bob Seager would drive (saw his ‘63 Catalina in a car museum in Amarillo, TX).
Let’s face it: GM has always bent the knee to politics because its that bureaucratic, feudalist mindset that’s required to acquire successful car manufacturers like Chevrolet into a single parent company, and do stupid things like sabotage Pontiac’s performance line by refusing to let them use forged connecting rods while only the Camaro and Corvette get them in the 60s, or limit marketing of the GNX and ‘89 Trans Am Indy Pacecar that could smoke the Corvette with a 3.8L V6.
As much as I’m in love with GM tooling and branding, it needs to be broken up, or GM just needs to commit to each brand under their banner producing a certain type of vehicle (GMC for trucks, Chevy for general purpose cars, Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile made more into brand packages for Chevy cars for the type of luxury and performance one wants, and Cadillac as the de-facto luxury car/SUV brand).
@@chrisbullard5901 very well said and agreed!
The problem is companies dont want to pay employees enough money ao they can buy entertainment and buy these cars.
I had a guy in a Tesla pull up next to my 68 Camaro an said how much he liked the rumble of my car! And I said to him ,I don't hear his ...
Ooohhh...I can't wait until the Camaro is brought back in 2028 as the 4-door electric SUV that nobody asked for. 😂😂
YOUR wonderful US government has already asked for it
I never owned one but one of my teachers back in 8th grade had an I-ROC Z red with black trim it was an awesome car I think it was 84-85 model.
It was an '85, first year for the IROC-Z.
@@DNR5586 maybe the teacher was too hot to be worrying about the year of the car
My first car was the "starship Camaro". Then had a 78 Camaro. Loved them both. But that 78 model handled better and had more torque. Never been a fan of any SUV. All these SUV and Truck owners never owned a real "Pony" or "Muscle" car and it shows. Im 50 years old, and I still drive sports cars.
The cost of insurance scared me away from Camaros. I bought a Mustang in '89. Foxbody 5.0 L stickshift. According to car magazines of that time, it would go toe to toe with a Z28. I was paying just under $1000 a year for insurance...for chuckles, I asked my insuarnce agent how much would my insurance be for a Z28. He quoted me around $5000 !!! 😳😖
I still remember being like 6 years old watching The Camaro in the Transformers. Ive always wanted one since.
F-ing Government, hell bent on killing the human spirit.
I’ve had a few cool ones 67 RS/SS 350 auto convertible
69 Z/28 4speed with disc brake rear end !
70 1/2 SS 396 4 speed
Wish I had them now
These companies are killing their V8s due to government regulations and fines for creating low fuel mileage cars.
Dodge and GM combined had to pay $363 MILLION in 2022 for the sale of cars that didn't meet mile per gallon requirements.
That's why these cars are going away.
50 years ago when GM introduced the Camaro to the market auto journalists asked the GM marketing executive what does "Camaro" mean he replied "Camaro is a small animal that eats Mustangs"😅
but still it never stood a chance against the mustang to this day
Mustang EVs are eating GM EVs , though both companies make no money on EVs.
@@twilightmedia8575hats cap af. A 4th gen catfish camaro would destroy a 4th gen new edge mustang in a heart beat.
That generation of mustang is literally known to be severely underpowered…
Also, on the track, the 6th gen camaro base would destroy a 6th gen mustang base.
Last but not least the camro can actually stay on the road unlike a mustang😂
@@Stopmotiondex we all know the mustang is the king its the best selling sports car in the world and has been in continuous production since the first day it was introduced, the camaro is crap thats why no one is buying them. As a result of high sales there are millions of mustangs on the road and this explains the accidents, its a simple equation more sales is equal to more vehcles on the road which is equal to more reckless drivers and more accidents as sports cars are bought for fun. thats whay there has been an increase in dodge challenger and charger accidents due to their increase in sales. To make it simple camaros dont sell thats why there are less accidents involved🤣😅
@@twilightmedia8575 Only from a marketing standpoint. Performance-wise, Camaro and Firebird dominated the Mustang.
I’ve owned a 78, 79, 80, 86, 87 and a 02. Z28’s and IROC’s. When I found out the Camaro was coming back I was excited! Then I looked at it. Ford hit a home run with the retro mustang! Dodge absolutely nailed it with the challenger! Chevrolet fell flat on their face with the Camaro. I guess if I drank a 5th of jack and someone hit me in the face with a shovel then I squinted really hard with concussion it might maybe possibly look like a retro 69 Camaro ish. I’m 6ft 3in 235 lbs. the car was designed with a 5ft 5in 120lb man in mind. I don’t fit, the console is shaped like it should hold a wine bottle with huge blind spots. I ponied up spent a little extra and bought a hellcat. Plenty of head and shoulder room and will walk away from 99% of the Camaros out there. Sucks the Camaro was so poorly designed in its latest rendition. I hear the RAM TRX is nice. Sucks Chrysler corporation is gearing up to commit suicide on the alter of wokeism. They finally made it to the top of the heap.
People can’t afford a secondary car that costs 50-60k. The worst thing to happen to pony cars was raising them outside of their middle class heritage knowing wages haven’t kept up.
Always loved the split bumper model !!
GM has said (not publicly) in the past that the Camaro directly competes with their Corvette. For a while (not sure if is still true) they both uses the same power plants so you were getting a 'vette engine for 'cheaper'. Which of course people figured out and it ate into their vette sales. I imagine that is, at least, part of the reason as well they just dont want to say that.
well, the people who can afford the corvette (which isn't most people) buy them... by getting rid of the camaro they're just losing more sales... rather than gaining more for the corvette...
It's about smog credits. They'd rather axe the Camaro then the Corvette.
The Corvette handles much better than the Camaro. But with only 2 seats it has a very limited market.
The original Camaro, (1960s and even 1970s), didn't compete with the Vette. It never offered the top Corvette engines, and as good as it was, it was a sporty car, not a sports car. The Corvette is a no-holds-barred Sports Car, not merely a sporty car.
@@mrslcom Well, it should, as its nearly 3x the price. It's baffling how GM execs think a $30,000 Camaro is stealing sales from $80,000 Corvettes. "Yeah, it's competing in the same market" -- Some moonbat-crazy EV-loving GM exec, probably.
Some older guy starting his Camaro love ... after a damn Transformer movie; I find that really funny.
I think they'll bring it back again.