Shafia family murders : House of Shafia (2012) - the fifth estate
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- A father, a mother and a brother stand convicted of the first-degree murders of four women found drowned in a submerged car in a Kingston, Ont. canal -- the so-called "honour killing" that has shocked a nation. But so many questions still remain.
How were three young women and their stepmother held as virtual captives in their own home in a country that prides itself on protecting women and children? How did police and social workers -- highly trained to recognize vulnerable people in potential danger -- not pick up and act on the warning signs that were so obvious to teachers, relatives and friends?
Family and friends break their silence for the first time and reveal what life was like under the iron-fisted rule of a domineering father whose word was law; with a brother who was his eyes, ears and accomplice; and with a mother whose indifference to her daughters' pleas and whose willingness to be a partner in their murders has shocked so many Canadians.
With exclusive interviews, we'll hear from those close enough to know what was going on: relatives who feared for the girls' safety; teachers at their school who knew there was trouble at home; and the two young men who dared to have feelings for the Shafia sisters, but who in the end could not save them.
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Who the heck asks a child if she is being beaten by her dad,in front of her dad. The social worker should’ve been fired.
Law Enforcement and Children's Services. It still happens.
Yeah, that Social Worker has no business being a social worker. They should revoke her license. Idiot!
Or fried!
Hello Cat Lover,
How do the Social Worker knows something happened in your home? Unless, someone reported it and be a witness...
I thought the same thing!🤦♀️🤬
I'll never understand how honor is more important than family.
It is in their DNA - their thinking - their culture. They will NEVER NEVER change
elodie sheraton once these women get to Canada or America, they should leave those men. Move as far away as possible and take on new identities. Why is Canada tolerating this Islamic crap. Let them stay in their own dirty countries with that oppression bullshit.
me neither
not just Canada and America, Britain or Australia too.
Tamus's Fiance
me to😭
As an Afghan myself this is one of the millions of stories I’ve heard about honour killings .I’m fortunate enough to be living in the west and to have parents who depend on religion more than culture .the root problem here is culture and those who have been absorbed by it .I pray for all the people around the world esp women who still have to go through this today .
Thank you for mentioning this is about culture, not religion.
Please explain the difference. It's my understanding that one's religion dictates one's culture. Anything else is hypocrisy, whether it's Christianity or Islam.
Yes thank you for your info. As an American woman I think we have the luxury of not knowing what some other women around the world know. My hearts breaks. I wish I could do something to help.
I am Afghan, and ex-Muslim. Afghan culture is based on Zoroastrian values, which promote gender equality. But honor killings are integral aspect of Islamic culture and Islamic mindset. I suggest you speak for yourself, and not on behalf of Afghan culture. Our country was ruined by Islam; a barbaric beastial religion.
@@TheBatmanNJ I most definitely speak for myself because I don't know much about Afghan culture. Thank you for your comments.
That literally almost made me to cry to see the uncle testify for his nieces. There is a man who loved his nieces.
The uncle is £ukd up, little wannabe western
And yet did nothing to get his sister out of that house
Dont trust this people, like that other man say if he will love her sister why he didnt told him divorce. Why? Because he is a muslim.
@@marcoshuayai3995this wasn't Islam. It was a cultural honor killing the same happens in India, Pakistan and Iran.
@@osiruskat those cultures just do honor of ki!!, most muslims do that
If someone says they’re being abused & then the person accusing them arrives & they change their story that’s a major red flag! I don’t need to be a trained social worker to grasp that obvious fact!!!!
It also happens in Denmark, all government officials are afraid of being called racist so they do nothing.
Muslims have free play because they know, no one is doing them anything.
Right?!! Like that's social work 101!!
Sick vile people need hanging.
This incident is nothing to do with religion.
When you move to a new country, follow your new country's culture and left behind your own culture.
@@dollytobing4576 op's comment said nothing about religion. But, in the mind of the father it was religon as barbaric and horrible as the act was. Most religions have some of the same in its history, even the bible condoned killing by stoning women in the old testament. Why should someone should forget their culture if they move to another country. Abide & respect the law of the land? Yes. Adapt? Yes. But, change who they are because its different and they're somewhere new? Nah. Thats silly, especially here in the states cause you have different types of culture depending on region, race, and ethnicity, so why would you want someone to forget part of who they are?
So the father married his second wife because his first wife is unable to have children, but when he got his children he killed them.. WHY?
lal Jad because he's an evil monster
lal Jad He only wanted the son
Because the girls wanted to live like westerners and he didn't want them to. In cultures like theirs, such a 'rebellion' is considered shameful for the family and the only way this shame can be lifted is for the girl to repent, or for her to die.
because they were women and not sons...
Calita Manu because a Wolverine loves blood
This woman died with children she did not give birth to, yet loved more than their own mother. 😢
😢 very true 💔
She may not have been their mother by birth but she was their mother by heart
As far as I'm concerned, Rona was their mother. Genes do not make a parent.
Amar truly looks so sad and depressed, He seems like a really good person. I hope he finds peace and love.
@@mbangash8264 He should have known in ishlame honor sKilling is cultural thing ordered by ullah queran chap 4 verse 15 ......... the only duty of ishlameist is to control what women do with their bodies.... but men are free to take western women as girl friends, drink party ........... and then marry a virgin cousin from IS countries
@@mbangash8264 you're darksided
Drug addiction
Yeah no job no house ...come on
@@mbangash8264 you're kidding right? Which part of those murderers did not need an excuse did you not understand in this tragedy? Who are you blaming for them killing the 13 year old?
Social worker needs to just admit they made a mistake of not taking this seriously!!! Stop making excuses THIS IS YOUR JOB!!!
Right on!
It’s all on that social worker and police those girls blood is on their hands 🤬🙈🔫
I think the family convinced her to go back the day after her wedding by either telling her the father will kill the new husband or one of her younger sisters. She was almost out of there & they told her something scary to leave him like that. I wonder if they (police investigators) ever found out what it was.
Exactly ! They did not do their jobs .
Absolutely!!!!
Same story with every social worker....do nothing and then excuse themselves!!!!
Awful 😠
If they were so proud to kill them why hide and lie??? If you think it's ok to kill someone and you are proud of it, why lie and not just claim it? Bunch of cowards. May the women's souls rest in peace.
Because they dont believe the laws in our societies are legitimate. To sum it up, they dont respect the laws in western society or any other society. The only law that matters is Sharia Law. They knew they'd go to prison , but felt they where not guilty due to their beliefs allowing that type of behavior and actions...not willing to bow to western laws.
They know not all subscribe to their sick way of doing stuff and thst its illegal everywhere to murder and or arrange a murder
Exactly
@@Lonesome__Dove Ummm apparently they believe in the laws and know they are legitimate they tried too cover up their crime. So your comment made zero sense smdh
@@tatriceshipp9139 No it dont make cents. But it does make sense. 🤦♀️
How can a mother be so casual about the death of her daughters ,knowing that this can happen to her daughters .
Iam just mad to the fact that the girls could be helped but everyone is just talking after their death for what reason now??
She was stupid too!
Power and money!!
She’s not a mother. That word should never be associated with her. She may look like a human being but she is not.
I still don’t understand how a mother would contribute to such a horrific crime! This is just insane! I hope all 3 learn their lesson in prison. May the women Rest In Peace
she is not a mother -- in their culture she is a possession to be used. This is just one more example of the religious BS. disgusting.
These are real devils living in human skins.With these people all the place,the world is in big trouble.
The good old patriarchy.. Dear
Culture is a bad thing, honor killing
Brain washed women can
After watching this documentary, I realized I gotta stop complaining and appreciate my life and my family.
May their souls rest in peace.
The house of shafia
I am utterly astounded that social workers and police took so little interest. All of these women lived in fear for years just because they wanted to be normal teenagers. At the end of the day these women were murdered and these two men should be shut away forever . It’s disgraceful that these beautiful women won’t be able to live any kind of life because of these two brutes. What a way to die. I hope these three are imprisoned for a very long time. Their mother must be the coldest hardest woman to tread the earth. Disgusting. My heart breaks when things like this happen. It could have been dealt with better .,they could still be alive if the system had done much more.
U can complain just gotta put all in prospective
Your right about that
@@allysonlewis1576..yes I agree especially how things could've been better handled by authorities.
Good approach!
I'm glad that the uncle stood up for them and refused to let their names be slandered by those back home.
God bless him. God keep him safe.
The local Afghan community
@@jaredstevens5382 u are crazy just like her father.
@@nellydavis7645
This is why you shouldn't move to The West aka Babylon when you come from a strict religious background
@@jaredstevens5382 Get lost. And the West is only referred to as "Babylon' by Christian nutters. Troll.
wow, amar‘s heartbreak to this day is tangible through his words, facial expressions, and body language. i could feel his grief and pain through the screen, and you could tell he really cared for his girlfriend. he will never forget, but i do hope he can find some peace and allow himself heal. 🖤
I wonder from watching him if he blames himself 💔
Everyone failed these poor young girls. This should have never ever happened. Rest in paradise beauties🙏🏾
Latif Hyderi, the uncle who testified got shunned, threatened and his car vandalized. He spoke the truth and others wanted to stop him. I'm glad he was strong and honest and did not lie. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
You said volumes right there.
@TRUTH is VEGAN
Shut up.
We're omnivores....Why do you think we have incisors/canines? You cannot compare killing for FOOD to brutal murder fueled by religion. You are allowed to follow whatever path you want but don't condemn others for doing exactly what our bodies are designed to do...
@TRUTH is VEGAN go and take your drugs may GOD punish you and vegan idiot like you
@TRUTH is VEGAN I am not vegan, but I try to eat vegan more often. People should eat less meat and dairy products and eat healthier, because consuming much meat and dairy (and also wheat, soymilk) causes many illnesses. Unfortunately most of the animals we eat are poorly kept and treated. So it would be better for us, the animals and the environment to eat less meat, dairy products, wheat and soy but eat more healthy.
Hope the brother is the prettiest girl in prison.
Netgirl they do that anyway.
Netgirl you know he is. he has a perty mouth lol
He better be. They ought to mail him a skirt sometime. I mean, prison ain't a nice place. It's not like what the Byers family said about Jessie Misskelley Jr. when he was found guilty of having murdered their son, Christopher, along with 2 other boys (Michael Moore and Stevie Branch), back in 1993 in Arkansas.
Misskelley's confession was a false confession because he has a low IQ, within the 60s and 70s, he was interrogated by the West Memphis Police Dept. for hours, and composed a statement as though he were actually at Robin Hood Hills, committing the crime, along with two other friends, Jason Baldwin and Damien Echols, but none of those statements he gave matched. However, that's what got these three young men, known as the West Memphis Three, convicted, which put Echols on death row. [Fact: The West Memphis 3 are actually innocent, yet they were freed 18 yrs. later, due to an Alford plea, which allows them to plead guilty while maintaining their innocence]. The guy who actually did it is still walking free!
For Hamed, however, he's no saint whatsoever. He's just trying to worm his way out, so he can find someone to blame and not take any responsibility for what he did (or for what actually happened). He's just as responsible as his parents are for what happened to his sisters and Rona. He used the Lexus daddy got to nudge the Nissan Sentra that Rona and the Shafia sisters were in, right into the lake, in Kingston, Ont., killing them. Then, he drove 300 km away, to Montreal, to stage an accident - reporting it to police. He wouldn't tell Ammar where Zaynab is, because he knows she's dead - he just wasn't interested in letting him know. How much cruel can he be?
We also know Zaynab feared her family, let alone, her father and brother. She wanted as much protection from them as possible by hiding in a shelter. She shouldn't have gone back to her parents' house for that 'wedding', because it was a trick to bring her home [so they'd plan on killing her].
Plus, Sahar, who was 17, much more could've been done to not only save her but also protect her. The school was concerned for her well-being, unlike her parents, and tried notifying social services, but it led to nothing. And let's not forget she was rejected by social services for 'being too old' when she tried to commit suicide. She was in danger, so where else could have gone to get help?! I mean, seriously?!
Geeti, who was 13, did some crappy things like cut school and shoplift, so she could get put into foster care. I mean, why couldn't they (social services) just take her in and help that troubled soul turn her life around?
Plus, Hamed's computer records show it, 'where to commit a murder?', which proves he was pretty much in on this, as the parents were. He got what he deserved, so whatever he's got coming to him, he might as well need it.
Sadly alot of arabic muslim men are closet homosexuals themselves, which means deep down he likes it deep down.
+ Dave weedman : you have a point - and I'll add muslim men who follow the teachings of a barbaric war lord whom they call a prophet and believe in sharia law should also practice male genital mutilation
It really upsets me that people have to live in a culture that would see you die for wanting to live your own life
so like zealot christian americans wanting lgbt people to die?
Still in the stone age I'm afraid.
@@donaldgoodinson7550Desert dwellers
That's how the Dumbocrats want to make it here in the US.
It is not culture. Uncle is not like her father.
Those women were all so beautiful. So sad that their lives ended the way it did. My condolences to Amar.
for some men woman means nothing.....
I feel like if you ever google “where to commit a murder” the police should immediately show up at your door
You are really right, I hope they will be arrested,and through in manslaughter charges.
Word👍🏽..so freaking moronic though..smh🤦🏾♀️
Some people are curios.
Facts
🤣
So sad - but the uncle did the girls proud for testifing again the parents. 👏👏👏
@kinG iZZy it doesn't matter he still testified against them
@kinG iZZy he testified against his niece aka their MOTHER who helped kill them.
Yasmin Malik , did the girls proud you say ? They are dead brother
@kinG iZZy His NIECE was Torra - the MOTHER!
Her mother is so cruel. She lied to trick her daughter into leaving with her. Why wouldn't you want your daughter to happily marry and move on with her life, away from your abusive husband.
Brainwashing
I can’t believe social services dropped the ball like this. It’s so sad it’s the same in the US and Canada 😞
Rona was more of a mother to the children than Tooba ever was.
i agree, may allah bless her soul
Tooba was in the marriage for capital status
It's so blimmin sad y:-/ Shafia Shari'ah
She also ratted the daughter's out though and would tell the husband what the other wife and girls were doing.
Which is why she was drowned w/ them :(
The French lady who said they weren't aware of honor killings and didn't have the proper training. Lady, the interviewer said it best "Abuse is abuse!" Why are you effin in the business of helping children if you're that stupid? The teachers did everything right but the system just ignored them. Shame on the child services.
She should be fired. She should not be given a chance to even talk in these matters. Indeed, abuse is abuse.
It is not a French lady, she is from Quebec Canada, she speaks French. Anyway I agree with you, there were as many red flags as in a communist parade, they could have took actions for a long time !
@@tarantellalarouge7632 The social services did nothing because of the politically correctness. They are afraid to be called "Islamophobic".
Omg, right!? They don't need to understand or even have knowledge of the concept since it's no part of Canadian culture and so won't find social support. 'Proper training' may come in handy when creating programs for men's reform school, but not for removing children from homes run by a dictator. smh
@@tarantellalarouge7632 They think french is only spoken in France.
I remember watching this years ago. My heart still breaks for the girls and their seeming true mom Rona. You can see the pain and heartbreak in the bfs eyes, he must have wished he could have just run away with her.
I hope Amar heals and knows that he did nothing wrong.
Amen 🙏
This is not an "honor" crime, This is just pure barbarism.
Nah, it's Worse my friend...... It's called Islam and it is Demonic!!
There is no honor in violence and murder. None. Only shame!
@TRUTH is VEGAN
Stfu weirdo.
TRUTH is VEGAN humans are not herbivores stfu
Careful or CZcams will ban you for 'racism'. And depending on what country you're in, you could get a knock at your door from the police for 'inciting racial hatred'. Free speech is dying out in the world in the name of 'diversity' and 'political correctness', even when we condemn murder like this.
” Abuse is abuse and violence is violence regardless of any name you would like to attach to it ” boom 🙅🏾♀️🙅🏾♀️
@Kenny Beach he didn't actually bring his family to Canada for a better life. He went to Canada for selfish reasons. As a successful business man he was a target for the Taliban who wanted his money for weapons.
Amen to that!!!
It’s pure slavery!!! Even having two wives is slavery for women. It’s disgusting
@@analeticiagallardo2314 That's not the case. He found his fortune in Dubai and was living there before migrating to Canada. He was after more opportunities and economic freedom.
This story is crazy and very sad. I am Muslim and my parents never forced me anything. But I always tell my parents where I go just for safety reasons❤
I believe you. Sadly last month in the state of Illinois a dad murdered his daughters
Man, that little brother is the most snitchiest of snitch ever.
I feel particularly bad for Rona, she had no freedom, no status, nothing. I hope she is resting in the absolute peace she deserves.
SomnusPhobos Amen 🙏❤️🌹
SomnusPhobos, Greetings to you in the name of Jesus Christ!!! Amen!!! Holy God is the God of Peace, if one does not return to Him through the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Prince of Peace sent into the world to be the reconciliation of man back to Holy God through the gift of salvation, where the Prince of Peace is, one cannot be!!!Amen!!! She is at rest, but she is not at peace!!! She was set at liberty many times it seems!!! Her hope was in man(the relatives) big mistake, she should have went straight to the authorities and told the whole truth of the matter, but she stayed in the shadows!!! At some point one has to understand your life is in your own hands!!! The fear of death was not strong enough or shall I say the will to live was not greater than the fear!!! People who have a will to live will flee when given the opportunity to flee!!! She allowed him to have the control by coming over under a lie and staying in fear of that very lie!!! AMEN!!! There were many places she could have ran and refused to return, even if it was jail!!! The baby girl was willing to go to jail!!! Sad to say they were doomed, not that there was no help or hope!!! They did not first BELIEVE it!!! AMEN!!! The daughters were young, and didn't fully understand the many options!!! But Rona should have stepped forward and risked whatever, to save herself and those girls!!! The son was piti-full and doomed to be a walking Deadman!!! His mind was witchcrafted!!! Wait till the foolish mother wakes up!!! She was starting to stir that wa in the car that was tapped and on her way to the paddy wagon!!! But wait till Holy God shakes her all the way awake!!! Oh yessssss, she is going to wake up and realized how the devil had her go along with killing her daughter's, but also got her locked up and away from all the amenities she enjoyed with the 😈 devil on the high mountain!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
@@TheOneLawgiverHolyGod shut up.
@@jasoncameron365 , Greetings to you sir, in the name of Jesus Christ and the 🔥🔥 🔥🔥 🔥 fire of the "Holy Ghost!!!" I don't know who Satan or your wicked, deceit-full heart has you thinking you are talking to??? But know this "he is a liar, thief and a murderer!!!" He is the deceiver of the whole world!!! Amennnnn!!! Just who do you think you are talking to, being the cause no one called your name!!! Amen!!!
@@jasoncameron365 Greetings once again, in the mightyyyyy name of Jesus Christ!!! If you were my "Master" I might needs to obey your words!!! But for Holy God... But I have a question for "You" what is it "You" need to do??? Amen!!! Amen!!! 🔥🔥 🔥 Fire of the "Holy Ghost!!!"
These social workers were unprofessional. Of course victims always change their story in the presence of their predators! 😳
Lotta coming from personal experience, and interaction with social workers. They don’t always take the victims away from their abusers. (It really depends on the victims situation). In those cases, the so-called “social workers” will give out a warning, but sadly nothing much is done.
Social workers have done what they could've done. They need to stay out of others' way of life. If the Muslims want to practice sharia, let them. We need to stop sticking our nose into others' business and respect other cultures.
I completely agree Lotta. If you can see children in abusive situations and are reported multiple times then it's negligent to just do nothing.
@@nkovac9011 Sharia law is NOT Canadian law. Murder is illegal. This was systematic abuse, then murder.
@@nkovac9011 Yes,and it resulted in FOUR DEAD FEMALES.
It's infuriating and heartbreaking knowing how many women and children live this life! The system failed them. Why does it take women and children being murdered before anything is done? I'm disgusted.
so tragic and horrific, thanks for sharing. These voices deserve to be heard.
With families like these, when they say come back all is forgiven, DON'T GO.
i agree. NEVER go back. it ALWAYS gets worse. because they have the leaving to be furious about, and have had thinking time. plus now they know how just far they can push and have you still come right back. they need you much more scared and controlled than you were before, so when they're ready to demonstrate their power, they'll push the limit more than a little more.
They who talk of honour, lie, and therefore have no honour themselves..
So True
These M r worst kind.
But on the other hand, you must pay for your sins....
If the father didn't want daughters to become " Westerners " he shouldnt have come to Canada.
then he should of stayed back home where he belongs!!
I agree
The heads of these expat families that get in trouble like this want to get rich. Much more likely in Canada, Britain or US than Afghanistan or Iraq.
What really sucks is that lawmakers are so scared of the PC mob that you can only criticize these toxic people after someone gets murdered by them.
@@alexandergrace5144
You are correct 👍 there's far too much PC pandering to this sick culture ...
I bet same thing will happen to these girls if they were in Afganistan, The only difference is in Canada the murderes will be punished, in Afganistan nothing happen to them
I think the young lady saved her fiancés life .
That or tried to save the baby sisters life
Thank you for raising awareness . There has to be a safety net in place for these women.
Poor guy. You can see during the whole interview that he’s sad, depressed, he feels empty. He’s still in so much pain to this day😭
He already has another girlfriend
@@rameshsuganeshan2173 that doesn't mean he still cannot be feeling grief or sadness
Ramesh, are you supposed to die when your love dies? Would they not want you to love again? I'd want my children to love and be loved, and if unfortunately something happened to their loves.. I would pray for them to find another one day.
Besides, it's 2022. This happened in 2012?
OMG my heart hurts so bad. This young man said "If only I had not spoken to her that 1st day that I saw her"
Jesus. That's real guilt
That social worker’s “it is what it is.. nothing more could be done” attitude pissed me off! It is your bloody job to protect the abused from the abusers!
@sanjay her attitude infuriated me also. Disgraceful woman! Highly negligent culture of most social services.
That always the case, nothing could be done,, we were to late,, we dint know at the time, we were not aware,, typical bullshit thats what it is,, do your f##@ job,, big gap between rich and powerful and the poor,, the result would be different if this was the case,, i think you get my point bro..
Well done the social workers. KEEP WELL AWAY FROM THIS SORT OF THING. Don't interfere with these people, you cannot expect to stand up against thousands of years of their beliefs...
They never protect the kids
@@WizxWx I remember when this happened, the entire country was shocked...none of us had ever heard of "honor killings". Don't forget that social workers deal with a lot of teen angst as well. I know of a few families that were ripped apart by teen girls' lies.
Honor killings are awful. I will definitely be shedding more light on this.
This is so sad. How can you not help your family, a woman who is pleading for your help? Your regret is no use, you live with it.
Why raise children to kill them? So strange
mariidee2 because they didnt raise them with love and respect. so those poor girls rebelled. poor children.
mariidee2 read osho rajaneesh
mariidee2 Considering how he so desperately wanted them?
mariidee2 because Islam is a political system and they want to take over by numbers via large families
donkey butt I really actually learnt something. That makes it very clear to understand that way. Thanks
My God…if the brother was THAT heartless and, seemingly, gleeful to throw his OWN SISTERS under the bus…I, shudder at the thought of what he would’ve had in store for his WIFE😱👺
wife and daughters. So better lock him up for life. Spare the life of another innocent
@@soulstained oh yes, I forgot about the poor daughters…and imagine what, purely, sociopathic males he would rear👺
Honor killing is barbaric culture hopefully this will stop soon. Unfortunately I see some pple are blaming everything to Islam
Violent misogynist is what he was.
This “ father” more a tyrant, is a self hatred, human faced animal, a barbaric existence who was exercising his cowardly power
on his powerless women … We honestly think, Canada has along way to go till they start learning how to protect, their vulnerable citizen’s
This case shows very clearly that Canadians have learned absolutely NOTHING from all that happened to the Indian children, for the last 150 years …lasting up to the 1990’s in the hands of the atrocious priests and nuns of the Catholic church, and its followers …
How long will it take for them as a “ civilised “ country to learn from such lessons ??? TOTALLY SHAMEFUL!!!
Thank you reporter for calibration a spade a spade. Honor has nothing to do with their decision to turn their heads… social services needs to be accountable. The school official was truly the only one who took the initiative at every step. Bless her and the family members and loved ones who tried to intervene. This is totally depressing. God bless the Uncle forever.
That horrible child "protective services" french speaking woman acknowledges no regrets, no missed steps, no remorse, no mistakes, no responsibility for these deaths and no compassion for the murdered women who turned to her agency for help.. She turns my stomach.
The UK is just as bad unfortunately
@@raymondbedborough8522 Agreed.... Arthur, Baby P, Victoria C, &c &c. Appalling.
Exactly. I just loathe the way she keeps on defending herself using the phrases 'you have to understand...'. No we don't have to! That failure is all yours and your hands are as much bloody as the parents' and brother's. How do you see yourself in the mirror or sleep peacefully at night being responsible for the deaths of 4 innocent souls.
Yeah she was awful
The social services system FAILED these girls
Khwezi Mlobane FACTS
They seem to be failing an awful lot! Why wasn't I surprised when I heard that....
@Scottandrewthill Scottandrewthill It was a manipulation tactic used to lure the unsuspecting victims back. Those girls were too young and inexperienced to be able to realize the danger they were in. Of course as abused children, they would have wanted to believe that their parents 'changed' and started to love them, it's a fundamental human need.
I'm shocked, appalled, horrified .. What kind of parents do this to their own children ??? No matter what .. Specially a mother .. Unbelievable .. Rest In Jannat Al Firdaus, You beautiful women .. 💔💔💔
Thanks for providing interesting documentaries with details
The social workers who wrote that the children lived under "a reign of terror" yet did not follow up should have been fired.
She's probably a department head now. Teaching others how inefficient to be in caring for the safety and welfare of abused children.
@@thecoi7672 ikr? It’s a joke.
You can see the pain and despair in Amar's eyes. Simply heartbreaking.
So much pain in his eyes omg...broke my heart
drine_the_ poet sadly that look is not pain, it’s emptiness, the look of a man who has had what he help most dear ripped from him. His body can’t even comprehend the pain so instead his brain stops him feeling it, leaving him not broken, but lost. So saddening. Rest In peace to these women but my heart goes out to those left behind in this senseless crime.
I mean no disrespect to anyone I may have upset, of course I cannot know how he feels, I’m just sharing my view from my experiences and knowledge etc.
@@JamesR_812 100% facts
his love for her was true and pure.
Amar is a Indian ?
All the sisters got beauty from somewhere and Hamad got all the ugly from his parents.
The uncle shows that all culture has their true heroes. I hope he will be blessed.
The first wife was so beautiful. And for Tooba accepting her children be killed, I struggle to come to terms with it.
its a societal norm, not a religious one.
It is religion, too.
bullshit.
@@camilleb292 ignorant as usual shame on you .honor killing has to do with mentalities and societies not religion hhhhhhh i know you don't know what's honor
Camille B-This isn’t a problem with the religion, it’s a problem with patriarchy.
I cried and cried and cried watching this, I had a miscarriage years ago and still cry for the child I never knew. This is beyond anything I could ever understand and never want to.
God bless you 🙏 sorry for loss may you have many healthy & beautiful babies
I had a miscarriage also ,, never know if it was boy or girl ,I understand your pain
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry....I empathize with you💛
This is very sickening. When you migrate from your country to a new country, you must leave you culture, heritage, mindset, and everything behind. Or dont even bring your family if you have that type of mindset.
Exactly!!!
The social workers really should be held liable for their negligence
Ahmar is still heartbroken. Lost the love of his life and it shows
He totally looks broken
I think he looks like Joey Matt Leblanc in the interview.
Wonder if his family disowned him; they didn’t attend the wedding.
Ammar is his name, I think.
I’m so confused is her name Sahar or Zainab.
The eldest was Zainab okay, Sahar fainted, was underweight had a boyfriend from Honduras and told on her family to her teachers.
Sahar retracted her complaint because of her father; child protection services should definitely have intervened at this point.
They were very beautiful
Tooba was the 2nd wife. His first wife was prettier than the 2nd :(
My heart 💔 for him 💔
🇨🇦Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦
@@carolfromalbertacanada Same from Ontario 😢❤😭
Amar looks so devastated. I hope he was able to recover and move on with his life. He is guilty of nothing.
He obviously is depressed and traumatized. .
@@minaafsari3803 well yeah, he lost the love of his life!
@kinG iZZy Different cultures... doesn't mean he was controlling 🤦♀️🤦♀️ People have different cultural norms.
kinG iZZy Umm she chose to wear the dress. Plus why wouldn’t she the guy is hot and I’m sure could get any girl he wants
He's a junkie, she chose wrong, choose as opposite as what you know is wrong.
I cannot believe social workers were unaware of honour killings
For this man, honor is more valuable than his own family. Sad😭
Religious extremism does that
Now he has his honor in jail
@Crispy-Leaves More of a cultural thing than religious to be honest. Islam has no concept of supposed "women's honor" that had been inherited from pre-Islam tribal barbarism.
And the plot twist was that he ended up with none of it. No honor and no family. I pray he's rotting in jail.
@@diablow1411actually no, Islam gave women rights, banned the killing of baby girls, banned injustice against women. This honor killing stuff is cultural and tribal yes but not tied to Islam.
Social services failed these women 😢
And the skool
They usually do fail, unfortunately.
THE FAMILY FAILED THEM.........SOCIAL SERVICES WERE PROBABLY AFRAID.....
@@RobertaG556 ....IF they tried to protect the girls, they would have f***a against them.....
No,their culture, religion, and their family failed them.
The sad thing is,this is still happening today ☹️women are still been killed by their family!sad very sad 😢
Yeah. Especially in Saudi. These people have no conscience at all
Happens in india and sri lanka where my family and relatives come from
How can people have this logic? It's so foul and toxic.
Mostly in muslim dominated countries
@@afoleyyasmin9280 where do u get information that women in saudi are killed ? Can u please provide with links if u cant able to why not shut ur mouth and stop spreading BS !
This was a very tough story, I am glad I watched it. I hope that honor killings will be treated as such in the future. Thank you for honest journalism.
I feel so much disgust and contempt for this twisted culture where “honor” is more important than the lives of the females in the family. I’m tired of hearing men using and abusing women.
How can he talk about God and Act evil at the same time? this Dad is a Psycho!
Estrella Felina what God are you referring to? Because if it's Allah then your wrong
IAMTOLANI31 what do you mean??
fardos ali It means Muslims and Islam is the devil learn 2 read dude
Good grief! Talking about god and acting evil is in every religion!
it's as good part of Islam which is actually terribly wrong.
The "social worker" is trying to act like she/they did no wrong, AMAZING
No she is not. She admits mistakes.
@@marydidyouknow5826the word "BUT" is very strong
These are French québécois who aren’t so aware of what goes on elsewhere. They are taught to look for certain signs and red flags. If none are present, they don’t go further. It’s not a western concept to honour kill. So I’d give these social workers a pass. It’s not their fault. It’s no one’s fault but those miserable family members
@@gerryattrik4410 lol, the social workers are put there to tackle problems like this. Why even have social workers, koz according to u abusive parents are wrong and that it's their duty to make things right and that the social workers have nothing to do about these family abuses
@@lenzingkoyu5837 Do you realize that the murder victims themselves did not believe that they would be killed,Ed Ed they were ?! The girls were "on vacation"...snapping pictures and chatting online. The older girls had already escaped the situation...they went back of their own volition !! How do you expect social workers to have known more that the family members ?!
Why do people move to our country with zero intentions of adapting to our country even a little bit? If I were to live in another country, I wouldn't be full blown western! I'd try to adapt to the countries culture geez..
Child services failed these woman.
Social services has blood on their hands and hopefully it keeps them up at night...they don't deserve to sleep in peace..
I agree. They did try to get help and the social workers didn't much😠
Finally a comment I was looking for .
Thank you for saying something so truthfully 🙏 I hope now social service look more carefully to prevent this.
Immigration should never have let them in.
CPS has a history of massive failure
@@vanessasalinas4064 Me too...I was like: "wait up, wait up...what about the elephant in the room here ??? "... 🙄 Family services do not have a good track record, and I almost always expect to hear about neglect or incompetence when they are involved...whether in situations where they didn't do enough (shirked their duties/turned a lazy blind eye, when signs of abuse were there), or went to extremes (power tripped unfairly on good parents)...Now, before I get chastised for stereotyping, I do recognize that there are some exceptions to this (and, just like a moral cop working among corruption in his ranks, it can't be easy to work with bad apples...)!
If they didn't love their daughters or agree with their lifestyles why not just let them go, move out, and forget about it. How does a mother agree to have her own children killed?!
Alexis L Because a girl moving out brings more shame to the family. The mother is just as evil and has no say anyway since she is a female. Only the father can do an honour killing since men are honourble
Yo Mama that is chilling
She's a puppet in the hands of her authoritarian husband, an extension of his narcissistic personality. I fully understand how these societies work. I've been raised amid such sick authoritarian system. You find it played out in such extremes in the most backward parts of the world. It usually takes violence of war or some other social upheaval or extreme crisis for such traditions to begin to change.
Alma shatri As someone brought up in a very different couture (lots of backwards mindsets as well) it is absolutely impossible to understand how a family does it.
Anyhow, good luck to you.
That was not the mother/ their birth mother was killed too! If you noticed the woman was his first wife who could not bare children! She allowed him a second wife to have his children 4 women died that day 3 sister and their birth mom
I don’t understand why you would leave your strict religious country & go to an western other country not willing to adept to the standards of the country you want to live???? Why won’t you stay in your own country??? Like wtffff, I really don’t understand it
These girls did not have a life, their life belonged to their dad, brother, and mother! This story is extreme and sad!
I feel so sad for amar. He clearly loved his girlfriend very much.
He’s ex-wife not girlfriend. This poor couple were duped.
she was his WIFE...until her demon family members forced her to divorce him...and then they just *lay-in-wait* but in the same *house.* this story has haunted me for years and it's still so infuriating.
and you are so right, his ongoing pain is so evident..the teachers should have CONTINUED to call, every DAY and gotten help from some community legal organizations that help with such issues.
also, the police, as well as those social workers, should be FIRED and retraining for those jobs needs to happen for all of those working in those positions, ASAP. but I fear that has not happened, even after all the years that have passed since it happened. and really praying there's no parole possible after life sentences for such crimes in Canada.
down where my family lives - in the lower 48 USA states - far too many dangerous criminals either get sentences that are too lenient and/or they get parole. even when they're a known danger to society. they just can't get sentencing laws correct down here and so many violent criminals do something horrible again.😐
@@juliadouglas872 not ex wife. That was his wife. And still to this day he says ITS HIS WIFE. Even if they did divorce they were still together after. So yea girlfriend would be correct!
@@juliadouglas872 and it’s HIS** not he’s
His wife.
How can a child tell teachers that she is being abused and is afraid of it happening again, be left unsafe?
What more can a child do? 😓
They reported it to child welfare but they didnt take it seriously .something with the worker. Insensitive,fool and ignorant
She’s not white simple
i am amazed how in a society like Canada children can be unsafe like this?
A child is just a child sad sadee
So having two wives is acceptable but having a boyfriend is not….. divorce is a better alternative than marrying…… ok then
Sickening tradition! This makes me SO MAD!!!!! When I was a paramedic, I found a Pakistani 'family friend' dead behind a dumpster one night after declaring she wanted a divorce from her arranged marriage. Her parents had brought some people over from India to do the dastardly deed. 🤬
Don’t bring India into this.Islam is messed up
@@arpitamaurya9663 To ME, ALL religions are messed up
@@arpitamaurya9663so is Hinduism
@@LindaCaseykilling innocents is a major sin in Islam. What happened here is a horrific tragedy, but its due to culture, not Islam.
@@LindaCaseysome of the cruelest tyrants and dictators in history weren’t religious though . People would find reasons to do this to each other if religion didn’t exist
Poor girls. But I can't help but to feel the worst for Rona. She was married to an abuser, suffered from his shaming her for her inability to give birth, and when he berated her to the point where she let him marry another woman, the other woman also abused her. She was beaten, and forced to work as a slave, and to take the abuse (psychological and physical). She was calling for help and nobody reached out to do so. Imagine living like this. At least the girls had each other. Who did she have? Her entries were absolutely heartbreaking. Wow.
As we see now her inability to have children was a blessing was it not?🥺😭
Such a Beautiful woman.
Yes so sad, what a life..her sister should have done more to help her..
She had very good friendship with the daughters and Tuba was very jealous about it. That is why she also had to die with them.
So sad
The social service failed big time. They are hyper active when they are not suppose to, but extremely dormant when they're expected to take action. What a shame...
People with insane haircuts are usually insane.
I'm surprised that noone ever mentioned this was a criminal negligence on the parts of all that were told by the girls the situation they were in and let them go back home ...it doesn't take a big diploma to figure the situation they were Inn..the intervenant could have reach out to someone with better understanding were these girls came from...it's much easier to let go.... it's to late to be sorry....
I would say the society has failed as a whole. Blaming something on someone is easy and unproductive, but to delve into the problem and fix it requires a holestic approach and contribution from everyone. Social workers can't intervene esp. when it comes to cultural sensitivity and political issues as the repercussion of their actions can be big engulfing the entire establishment. Suppose if social services intervene and things go wrong, everyone will blame it on them and the entire establishment will feel the heat. At then, you may be the first one who will be labeling the organization and politicians as intolerant, racists, etc., etc. The same is the case with the police here in the US as they are the ones at the receiving end. Today no one talks about the risky and unfavorable lifestyle of George Flloyd, in fact he has become a hero despite his 8 felonies and misdemeanors, as the entire blame has been shifted to the police conducts, the police force which was there to safeguard the community. In short, you and me are the problem if you delve deeper into the problem.
That is so unbelievably true. They’ll pick apart absolutely nothing but then turn around and do nothing when it’s right in their face.
i worked as child and youth worker briefly in hamilton ontario and my opinion on child aid services is exactly what you say....hyper active when there is no need, dormant when there is. they seemed to genuinely enjoy removing children who cried to stay with their parents, and ignoring children who cried to be removed.
Every time I watch this, it breaks my heart. This mother and father did not deserve these 3 beautiful girls. How can a mother accept the fate of her girls like that. She carried them in her womb! Love is not only for boys. These beautiful girls would never have left your side when you grow old. Such evil parents. And the son who got groomed at a very young age to snitch.
Who was the narcissist in that household?
The saddest part is these animals will be released after 25 years.
I hate the fact that so many women all over the world are weak and powerless to some monsters who call themselves fathers, husbands and men. I hope those people rot in prison.
Yes.
Rotting in prison is not good enough. They need to be tortured. 😤
I wonder, do you feel the same about female teachers who rape boys or do you just hate men, sexist
Both genders have become monsters to the other, don't play feminist character
Ahhh so Karen gets a pass for all of these years of terror next to her man and nowadays Karen gets affirmative action lol what a joke, MLK fought for civil rights for American blacks that been here and what did they do …gave it to everyone else including Karen lol what a joke
The Uncle that testified.... he is awesome.
My heart goes out to Amar. U can tell this has crushed his soul.
They won't kill noone else
😢
The loophole in the system made them scapegoats..wish the social workers acted quickly. How can those children’s talk in front of the abusive parents?????
Obviously Canadian child protection authority failed.
Otherwise these beautiful 4 woman would still be alive
God bless their soul
The chilling part is the conversation between the father and his wife after killing their own children . it was like they had taken out the trash and not their own flesh and blood. This dishonorable ability to this kind of thing is comprehensible only to the clinically insane.
Respectfully, I’ve known lots of mentally ill people. I’m in healthcare. This is comprehensible only to the evil in my humble opinion.
The actual problem is that this is the reality for hundreds of millions. This is the mentality and it's seen like this is the normal
This is not mental illness this a culture evil carried out in their SOCIETY. Not all sure , but most middle Eastern Country to some degree carry this attitude towards their women. Even if they marry women outside their culture. This world is extremely evil and hopefully here shortly will be DESTROYED. We have to be worst than the post FLOOD.
they're not insane. They are humans who view other humans as objects to be disposed of and therefore chose to dispose of them. We cannot ignore that humans can do this and that we must fight ignorance with education and fight so that all countries learn to value human rights or this will continue to happen, as it is happening worldwide in most of the middle east, india and parts of africa. That is a huge portion of the world to be clinically insane don't ya think!?
PERSONALLY I be glad when the age of mankind is done. Since the fall of the Garden of EDEN all humankind for the most part have been Darkness. Shortly, the ultimate darkness will come upon all of us, The GREAT TRIBULATION. This will be the last event to HUMBLE OUR SELFISH HARD HEAD BUTTS. SO SAD THESES Ladies SUFFERED such evil in the thought of honor killing.
From his eyes, you could say he is still traumatized and sad beyond words.
So true 😢
You really can. He is heart broken.
R.I.P. 🌹🌹 🌹 🌹
Khadi Haramin ! What about your family? must be careful
He’s stoned as well.
These parents are nothing but evil. The brother is no better.
Such a romantic meeting with him asking her to wear white. RIP to the Shafia sisters and Rona.
How dare they think honour killing is acceptable. Murder is murder and it needs to stop..
Honor killing is barbaric culture and has nothing to do with Islam.
They will not go heaven those parents
that's submission to god's will more than humanity and personal freedoms
@@halalpolice7544 Exactly, correct. I will even go one step further and say the Father is probably a perverted sicko. What exactly is wrong with the eldest girl finding a Muslim partner whom she married! He wanted the girls to himself even brought in his first wife, lol
Coming to Canada sooner than we thought... here it's 2021 now look at Canada and the start of Sharia Law and more immigrants from Islam thinking...
Social workers really failed these girls, and I don’t care what excuses they come out with, they failed them…numerous times. I feel awful for the uncle and the boyfriends
Probably next time Social workers should get charge for not doing anything.
Eventhough social workers made exuses shamely...
Still can’t wrap around my head how you get honour from killing your won children. Such barbarism. I also hope Canada really treats this as life in prison and never let them out.
The system and parents and everyone involved failed those children, my heart goes out to them, RIP beautiful princesses 🙏,😭😭😭😭
The uncle is such a good man and human being. the Police must make sure that he is safe at all times.
He needs police protection.
Child welfare is a joke
The uncle who showed a picture where he was dressed as a Taliban?
@@islandlife6591 Don't know if there is such a picture.
Well, the Shafias were dressed in modern, western clothes and committed heinous crimes.
@@islandlife6591 dumbest comment ever
@@islandlife6591 Talibann?! Its how Afghanis wear their clothes..normally
She said she didn't want to be married anymore because I assume they said they'd kill her husband. To save his life, she left him.
I thought the same thing
Anais T-M ....That would be a good explanation...
Right, I had the same thought.
Or they threatened her younger sisters
Totally agree. I think that was the case.
You people failed those girls. How many complaints do you need. You should never question a victim on front of the victimizers.
What kills me is how much the police and children's services were involved.
It's truly shocking.
They failed these children 😔
They usually do
O i know too well how the authorities are i was abused for years told police social workers my doctor .my so endured so much not 1 cared 30 years later my son now treated for mental health and now blames me .so please fight authorities to the bitter end omg we gotta toughen up on abuses it is 1 big issue so ignored .this was sad .
They scared to do anything because of religion
Its disgusting !!!
I cannot comprehend how a Mother allows this to happen. Most would fight to the death to save her kids, maybe even killing the husband. My heart bleeds for these kids and they were absolutely let down by law enforcement and child welfare. R.I.P. beautiful soles♥️
Yes unfortunately in their culture, women are shamed when they do something sinful in their eyes and religion. And the mother let her daughters receive punishment because she is nothing to a man in that culture. She has no say.. but I agree I cannot imagine letting anyone harm my daughters
It's the culture
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Check that I don't need no repeat
Sadly tribal people are ruthless regarding honour. They do not follow religion. They are merciless towards their own children, all that, for honor.