The Rise of Skywalker: How To Train Your Mary-Sue
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- Who planted the trees on Mustafar, and when did they do it? Is there a landscaping supplies store in the galaxy far, far away? It's time to iron out some irontrees.
Rey’s training strains credibility. Anakin was able to train off screen, so Miss Palpatine has no excuse. What was she doing for those six depicted hours? And what did Luke and Anakin do when the spotlight was on them?
Looking up the force can save you from accidentally upending the galaxy. Teleport spells are pretty cool, but are they Star Wars? If you don't look before you leap, you might end up worse off than you started.
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#00:00 Intro
#01:43 Part 1: Don't Hold Your Breath
#14:55 Part 2a: Training Mary-Sue
#34:12 Part 2b: STORY TIME
#38:44 Part 3: Forced Force Powers
#58:21 Outro - Zábava
Interestingly the Clone Wars Season 2 has a scene that supports your thinking about certain creatures just being highly "resistant" to mind tricks instead of being completely immune. In the scene a captured bounty hunter named Cad Bane is being interrogated by Obi Wan, Anakin and Mace Windu. Bane is a Duros, a species known to be "immune" to Jedi mind tricks, but when all three jedi use the trick at once to force their way through they are able to successfully control him for just about a second before he wrenches it back from them, visibly pained and distressed as he does so. When Anakin suggests trying again, Bane willingly cooperates with his Jedi captors over suffering the trick a second time.
Bane is just another Mary Sue tho, but my opinion of his character is also very saturated by my distaste for his copy/paste design.
@@Hotchpotchsoup yet he doesn't really win and gets arrested in the end. (He's also cool)
@@AB-bg7os but he's so cliche that you know his character from just one look at him, no other character in Star Wars is that unoriginal.
@@Hotchpotchsoup blah blah blah who cares
@@Hotchpotchsoup
He's cliche and he owns it
Rey: "I bypassed the character developement!"
"I am all the Sith!"
"And I, am Iron Man!"
- Rey Lars or whichever family name she's co-opted now
She is all the family names
The truth is...
Rey Gunray
@@Scifogon oh no
@@Scifogon a gunray would never do anything without the approval of The Senate
Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Okay, I respect the hell out of you for sticking to the original canon, but as someone whose first introduction was Clone Wars and to this day remains my favorite ignoring it feels like a lightsaber to the gut 🤣
That being said, I didn’t know the original story of the Mon Calamari and honestly I love the concept of the empire finding a fledgling space faring race and angering them so much that they go from full pacifist to all out warrior people in less than a decade.
yeah I totally agree, usually I prefer original canon over ret cons, but the clone wars is pretty solid IMO, so I would take its canon over comics or books
Honestly, if you remove the sequence, there's nothing wrong with the new canon. Clone Wars serves as its basis and there's plenty of good ideas throughout. The new explanation for where red kyber crystals comes from, for example, is far more interesting than the Legends explanation.
EDIT: Also, Clone Wars _is_ OG canon, just as much as the prequels.
@@godofthecripples1237 The legends version of red crystals was more brutal in some ways. Since they had to make that crystal from scratch. It wasn't no "bleeding" BS it was they used to dark side of the for the create it. That's why Maul was so "hyped up" he made 4 for his double-sided saber. Where most Sith make the one.
@@ExeErdna Corrupting an existing crystal is far more in line with how the Force operates as a concept. And it gave us an amazing story about Vader.
@@godofthecripples1237 Yet it doesn't work with how the Sith existed in Legends they were dark jedi. They had hide away from Jedi. They couldn't just get Kyber crystals. Which makes the whole point they made their own syntheic crystals. Like how we're able to make diamonds now. It's most likely the same process just with the infusion of force.
The corrupion/purification aspects were part of legends because that's how we got some "yellow" saber users
Think the difference between luke and rey is that we see luke actually be shit at things.
Luke rushes his training, he loses his hand, he gets his teeth kicked in, we actually see him gradually get more powerful in a way that feels more believable
Rey on the other hand is just good at everything. The most we see her struggle is when she cries about her parents.
She wins every duel, she escapes every bad situation, she just succeeds without issue
Not to mention all 3 films end with Luke needing to be saved.
Rey is a girl. They are superior to men in every way, and if you disagree, you're a sexist!
That's why the r word is such a big deal, cuz it's impossible since every woman can beat up every man.
Anyone who doesn't agree that girls are better than men in every way is clearly a sexist!
Spoiler alert for a old movie
Adding to your comment, if you analyze the first Vader vs Luke fight from a swordsmanship point of view we see that Vader could multiples times during the fight do a simple thrust and finish the fight (Luke guard was that bad). This serves to show how weak and unprepared Luke was and foreshadow the famous scene
(English is not my native language, sorry for the mistakes)
Yes, Vader was clearly toying with him because to Vader, it was trying to understand his son, rather than a fight for survival.
28:09 Describing Kylo Ren as merely “an edgy teenage dropout” fails to raise the important and embarrassing fact that Ben Solo is *29* years old in the first two films and *30* in The Rise of Skywalker.
Imagine reaching 29 and still carrying the emotional immaturity of a teenager who threw a tantrum at Hot Topic because his mommy wouldn’t pay for a My Chemical Romance t-shirt.
EDIT: Ben “Solo,” not Ben “Skywalker.” (Sorry, I clearly had the superior Skywalker descendant named “Ben” on the mind while writing.)
The thing we have to realize is how much Rihanna Johnson was trying to put the middle finger up to the og fans. He low-key turns Luke into a molester in TLJ.
In writing terms it's called "unreliable narrator" and if you keep that in mind while watching the scenes of Luke standing over Ben while he sleeps at night just "sensing some darkness in him" well, Kylo finally makes sense,
From the unhinged emotional tantrums all the time to the hatred and willingness to kill his uncle, mom and dad ("Why didn't you protect me from him!!?!")
Even the plot points of Luke hiding away and not wanting to interact with his sister and best friend/brother-in-law makes sense under this light.
In Rian Johnsons mind, none of TLJ was terrible, nonsensical writing and character destruction, he's just such a sicko and a-hole, most haven't realized the "intricacies" of his writing and enmity towards the base yet.
@@BurnDoubt That is one of the most goofy and ridiculous conspiracy theories I've ever heard, but it would still make for a more interesting story than what we actually got.
@@BurnDoubt You know, it's totally okay to just say "I didn't like the movie" and leave it there.
@@cass7448 it's okay to notice patterns too, like Disney hiring a bunch of sick freaks, and having a history of doing so, or haven't you noticed the Kardashians being advertised as part of the new "Disney+ family". Only post 2016 would Balenciaga be a big win
@@BurnDoubt Sick freaks, huh?
About the Mustafar stuff, you're thinking about it wrong:
A) The sequence with the trees was never meant to be set on Mustafar. Someone came up with that connection later. I'm not sure WHO or WHY they decided to place this scene on Mustafar, except that they realized that Vader would have kept his Wayfinder on Mustafar, but realized it too late or didnt care to film anything that makes sense.
B) The "Vader Immortal" video game attempts to explain why there are young trees on the planet. Their reasoning was a later justification, of course.
C) the enemies fighting the First Order on "Mustafar" also don't look like Mustafarians.
The EASIEST explanation for this scene would be to just say that the wayfinder was stored somewhere else. Not Mustifar.
Um, what? The novelization mentions it, the Vader:Immortal game came out years before TROS, and how would we have reference for how Mustafarians look? We just have Neimoidian Guards and droids in Revenge of the Sith.
@@Jansenbaker they have showed up in books and art around episode 3. I think they might have been onscreen for like 3 seconds in the movie.
@@Jansenbaker Vader Immortal and RoS both came out in 2019
@@IndustrialMagic Still, why do you say it's "A later justification"? It was, at the latest, developed concurrently with TRoS, not after.
Disney says its on mustifar. Are you saying Disney is wrong?
The thing that really stands out about Luke's training in the OT is that there's no clear indication of how long it takes in the movies. All the viewer knows is that he trained after "Episode 4: A New Hope".
And when Luke and the others escape after the Battle of Hoth, all we know is that the Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive doesn't work and it takes Han, Leia and the rest an unspecified amount of time to reach Bespin. That gives Luke an opportunity to train with Yoda.
And after Luke's encounter with Darth Vader and before the rescue of Han Solo, there's again an uncertain amount of time that passes between the movies, during which Luke could have returned to Yoda to continue his training.
Sometimes, the best way to tell a story is to not tell the complete story and to leave certain parts out of it. That leaves room for imagination and gives the audience an opportunity to ask questions.
The sequels on the other hand have forgotten about all of that. They happen literally five minutes after each other. Theyarelikeareallylongsentencewithoutspacesthatdoesntletyoubreatheorthink. And one thing I noticed specifically about J.J. Abrams is that he doesn't know how to handle distance and travelling as a narrative device. All of his films feel like they're set in a really small town and getting from one place to another is as trivial as crossing the street. That's why in his films, you can be on the surface of one planet, look up in the sky and see other planets on the other side of the galaxy being destroyed. Or get anywhere in the galaxy in minutes with what's essentially a lifeboat.
Too bad Star Wars doesn't have Transwarp Teleportation...
Wasn't there like year gap between 8 and 9 though? Watched it last time at premiere, but something like that rings in my mind.
@@antonisauren8998 Does it _feel_ like a year has passed?
My point was about using narrative techniques to convey the passage of time. Take for example the training montage from "Rocky" (1976). It's only about three minutes long, but when it's over, it feels like several months have passed.
The only reason why there was a time skip between Episode 8 and 9 is that Abrams wanted to send Kylo Ren on a quest to find Palpatine. But Palpatine could just as well have sent him an e-mail. Oh, and Finn's girlfriend got put on a bus, too. But there has been no character development since the past movie, everyone is just the same - and the Rebels are in the same state they were left in at the end of Episode 8.
@@antonisauren8998,
Officially, yes. It's how a CR-90 Corvette makes its appearance... and how the Resistance gets new fighters.
For the OT, we never know how long, exactly, the time skips are, but they exist... and are obvious.
The closeness of the planets destroyed by Starkiller base bugged me too. They seemed closer together than the Earth and Moon.
"Rey Disney" ... Most appropriate name I've heard for her yet!
oh, your solution is so much more elegant and it's so obvious. I love it, it's beautiful! The whole thing with Luke guarding ancient sacred texts while hiding and it being literal actual scrolls and books in a non-hermetically sealed room on an oceanworld was always so obviously flimsy.
Having him hide on a basically empty oceanworld to guard the knowledge that someone else is the knowledge bank until the right time is a much better justification. It also not only retroactively justifies Rey's absurdly strong early powers, but it's a genuinely unexpected and exciting twist in the third movie that forces you to go back and rewatch the first for clues you missed.
do to ray's grandpa you could also say that she got expose to a jedi holocron(or other artifact) and was imprinted with the knowledge.
I would prefer Luke to have his Jedi Order and have it be what it was in the books. Rey goes to him for training and he is reluctant because she has much anger and fear. She then just does it herself and starts falling to the dark side. The dark side is quicker and easier after all. Name one time Rey did anything calm and at peace? Naw, she's always yelling and screaming while attacking.
Wow I really like that origin story for Rey a lot better than any of the others I've heard
Seriously, that whole synopsis was way more intriguing than the new trilogy
@@the_kryllic it's like that sometimes
@@highjumpstudios2384 How to make Rey not suck?? Alternatively I would have watched Ultra Vegito the God Killer because to me this fan version of Vegito has more credibility than the sequels and book of boba fett combined. Extra point for the God Killer for being Darth Vader but truly heartless and loving to murder people who deserve murder
It should be noted that the Mon Cal are in the animated clones wars, and have been since I think season 2 or 3 of that show
and the og one
Who cares? TCW was shit
@@fiddlesticks7245I thought it was pretty good
@@paulaccuardi9071 Poor standards are nothing to brag about.
@@fiddlesticks7245 tcw was one of the best starwars spinoffs ever only becaus you think starwars has 3 good movies doesnt mean that people have poor standarts
I love the series as a whole but I do highly recommend watching both the animated shows the clone wars and rebels, they both have excellent stories and plenty of lore that I think is really interesting and cool!
yep agree
They have no real issues with plot or lore. These do
Yes please, it’ll greatly help out your arguments and logic for these videos
Not only that but thet are mostly oversen by george lukas so the lore is mostly held up
TCW and Rebels are both really good, and Bread Circus should definitely watch them, but they do rewrite a lot of the previously established lore. Even after retcons, most of it isn't resolved in a satisfying way, so I understand why he would ignore them when he talks about lore.
In the original trilogy and even the prequels; our heroes at the end aren't the same people they were at the beginning of their story. They changed, they evolved, they grew up. Everyone in the sequel trilogy is nearly exactly the same as they were when we first met them or as they were at the end of Force Awakens. If you put a gun to my head, I still couldn’t tell you what development any of them were supposed to have.
You may want to rewatch them then. Rey learns to live in the present, Finn leaves everything he knew behind and learns to live. Poe learns restraint. Some of the details are wonky because of how much of a mess rise of Skywalker is but they have arcs.
And it's okay for characters to be static. Leia is pretty static in the OT and that's fine.
"Not ideal," he says, and yet utterly more captivating, believable, and entertaining than a single moment in the movie.
The "training" montage with the TTS voice was hilarious. Your acumen and passion for this series is pretty incredible, and I hope you continue to make content like this. By the way, I can wholeheartedly recommend the 3D Clone Wars, in terms of an "alternate universe" done right. The later seasons are pretty great, even if they do go up against established lore. Some changes are for the better, and some for worse, of course.
The last season of clone wars hurt so much. God I love that show
He should've used the "training" sound effect from one of the Command and Conquer games but it was indeed hilarious
Teleportation was used in Star Wars Legends, but it was specifically stated to be a rare Force ability that was fairly energy-intensive and required a lot of time to master.
JJ clearly likes Kotor or at least someone he listens to does, but just didn't think about what doing that would do, as usual.
The Dyad thing, Force healing, and a bit of Kylo's helmet design being a bit like Revan's to name a few.
don't give jj credit, pretty sure that was pure coincidence
The Dyad stuff is something completely different from the Force bonds seen between Reven and Bastilla, or The Exile and Kreia...
JJ doesn't like anyhting other than his own farts.
Finally I can rest in peace now that this movie has had its funeral
This series has completely justified my disdain for the entire sequel trilogy. Sheer incompetence in story telling. You know, I don't have a problem with Rey specifically as an archetype; she could've been the sequel era's Bastila Shan (frankly if she were a Shan, I would've accepted that WAY more than her being a Palpatine) but she was just so terribly written, I feel bad for Daisy for having had to play such a crummy character. The same extends to everyone else. Finn could've been awesome - kind of a Kyle Katarn-type, but he became a one-note wonder. And poor Poe was relegated to the role of 'Basil Exposition' by the third film. The series should be viewed as a 'what not to do' with a long running franchise. Whereas you can take examples like Mad Max Fury Road, Blade Runner 2049 and even Strange New Worlds as perfect examples of how to properly ADD to the lore, while still doing sort of their own thing at the same time, and actually do justice with the source material and above all remaining consistent with what came before.
Would you believe me if I said Ultra Vegito the God Killer looks to me like Rey but with the writting being truly awesome and deconstructing the Mary Sue by having people criticize Vegito even with violence??
Folding space/teleportation first appeared in the 1998 Star Wars novel Vision of the Future by Timothy Zahn. It was a power of the mysterious Aing-Tii Monks who had a unique attunement with the force
JJ probably didn't know that
tbf, iirc that force power was mostly in-system distances. or at least that was how far luke could go with it in Fate of the Jedi.
I thought that was more of an Eldar Webway style power, where one physically enters the neather world of The Force, travels within it, then exits at a desired destination?
@@maximilianschug6271 Not in Vision of the Future. The Aing Tii mostly use it to zip around their own region of space, which is otherwise unnavigable with hyperdrive. But, at the end of the book, they use it to transport Talon Karrde from Exocron to Bastion in time for the climax. At least according to The Essential Atlas, these planets are about as far apart as it's possible to get, on exact opposite ends of the Outer Rim.
6:58 Oooh! I've been waiting for this one since 2016. Every biotic can be hand waved away, by the concept of their biotic barriers being used as Eva vacuum suits. The Air Supply is there so that they don't suffocate.
The inconsistency however, comes from Mordin Solus who doesn't have any biotics whatsoever.
And is a toad. :P
@@AlyssMa7rin salamander - Krogans are toads
Hey, if the Jedi are all but extinct, why does Kylo wear lightsaber-proof armor?
I mean, all of these glancing blows from maRey would usually cleave chunks of meat from an unarmored opponent, I wager.
You have rekindled my interest in Star Wars more than Star Wars has in the last 10 years
Bro, how are you doing this? Don't burn yourself out man, we enjoy having you around!
I'm replying to you because you've commented on every video. We're both having a break for a few days. Thanks for your genuine concern, though. It got pretty dire for me in particular. -S / ED-1TA
There are actually dryads in Star Wars Legends.
1. Zelosians, which are implied in the Wookieepedia article to be compatible with humans despite being plant aliens, though it was near-impossible to create hybrids. They actually looked more human than plant, but they had green blood and weird vegetation on their heads.
2. Sylphe, which were created in a French games magazine for use in an RPG adventure. They looked the most like modern-day depictions of Dryads, with plants and stuff growing out of them, though they had green skin. They were ALSO compatible with humans, despite being a humanoid plant-person.
3. Neti are tree-people that live for millennia and can shapeshift. They give birth asexually by shooting out saplings (see T'ra Saa), but are apparently capable of romantic attachments (T'ra Saa and Tholme), but it is unknown if they also have sexual feelings for others. They are also found in the Disney Canon as well.
The first two imply that somebody in-universe was down-bad enough to have sex with a plant-person.
32:32 I like the idea of calling it the reboot trilogy not the sequel trilogy
it's more like a parody
@@MrCharrrles but a parady so bad that it makes spaceballs look like cannon
Even comparing Spaceballs to the Disney trilogy is an insult to Spaceballs lol
I don't know if anyone already commented this but in the Vader VR game, he uses a magical stone that restores Mustafar's ecosystem. It isn't a good explanation but at least it's something
The stupid tree thing is from the ending of a video game. The closest thing to lore continuity you will find in a Disney Wars movie.
I just finished binging all your videos last night, glad to see another one
Please keep making these
You don't know how concise and easy to follow using TTRPG terms is for me. Good work on this video!
Clone wars was before the Disney purchase, it changed certain things about the lore that George Lucas didn’t like about the lore. George Lucas wasn’t a big fan of the expanded universe mainly because it was full of contradictions because it was Aton of different writers that wouldn’t check everything.
He also apparently despised Mara jade
Yeah if your talking old lore then clone wars outranks the comics and games he’s bringing up because that’s what the guy who created tge franchise wanted
The tiered canon was very clear and if something didn’t fit the new stuff you just create a pocket universe seperate from the Lucas canon
I kinda thought that what happened to kylos Saber was more that he turned it on and the cracked crystal almost blew the whole thing up. But it was together enough to turn off and then kind of rebuild. The sides were designed after the fact for kinda focusing and venting the leaking energy. The whole blade is always fluttering changing length and width and intensity. I imagine that it is unstable overall and held together by luck. I also bet that the blade is actually a bit weaker than other sabers because of the leaking unstable energy. It's dangerous and ready to explode and only an idiot would keep using it.
yeah that is what happened and yeah, idk why he still uses it when its essentially a bomb.
On the topic of Mon Calamari and Quarren, their place in the galaxy was retconned many years before the 3D animated show. The 2D Clone Wars cartoon showed both the Quarren and Mon Calamari taking sides in the Clone Wars, the Republic comics had a Mon Calamari separatist commander lead an assault on Kamino during the Clone Wars, another comic pre clone wars had a Quarren luxury cruiser run afoul of Aurra Sing. There are plenty more examples.
The 90's book you're referring to was out of date by the time EP1 was released, as both Mon Calamari and Quarren appeared before the rise of the Empire in 1999, Quarren in EP1 - MC's in Jedi Apprentice.
Clone Wars cartoons both had Mon Cala as members of the Republic during the Clone Wars, both were created under direction of Lucas.
Oh boy, a new Bread Circus
Time to watch this one about twenty times because I enjoy the narrator's voice
As always great video, but I am curious as to why you used a book sighting clone wars as one of the reasons you didn’t trust it, clone wars was mostly made under Lucas, so it fits your criteria of using existing lore?
3d Clone Wars is notorious for ignoring the rest of the old extended canon, so no. Lucas involvement or not
@@johnnyfroggo7361 but muh cartoooonz! 😂
@@johnnyfroggo7361 From what I understand Lucas was at liberty to ignore any cannon he wanted to. I happened with the original comics and novels with how they talked about the clones wars with what actually happened with attack of the clones.
@Mason Lee Good for him. Still makes the show incompatible with like 90% of Clone War era material that all the EU fans really cared about.
@@johnnyfroggo7361 very true
these videos make me happy that I'm an legends timeline person, its also fun to see how bad Disney is at things
Disney was bad at the sequels. Beyond that, the new canon isn't bad. There's aspects of it that I prefer to Legends. Unfortunately, the sequels ruin pretty much everything.
Mass Effect has a somewhat fair explanation for some people not wearing sealed suits in airless environments. Everyone has their mass effect kinetic barriers, that could potentially also be configured to counteract pressure.
The space slug scene makes a lot less sense...
Your description of the usability of teleportation and how overpowered it is is absolutely on point.
When Vader said “There is no escape”, my brain immediately went to DAGOTHWAVE. 😅 🌘🎶 No recall or intervention will work in this place. There is no escape. 🎶🌟
I'm a god.
How can you kill a god?
What a grand and intoxicating innocence!
Shame on you, Sweet Nerevar. -S
Small thing: You don't need to move your hand to do a Jedi mindtrick, or really almost any force power. It's just easier to do so. Much like how Vader didn't need to move his hands to throw things at Luke.
It seems to me like your writing off the animated shows far to much, yes they sometimes go against "established" lore that came before it, but what they offer is generally just as good if not better. Especially so of consistency
Plus they (at least the clone wars, rebels and resistance can be a bit of an acquired taste) are phenomenal shows in their own right
A dogmatic view of only what you deem as the "established" lore before a certain point, which itself has issues and contradictions, is kinda elitist and leads to not being able to enjoy anything outside of that, of which there is great stuff
Just my take so far watching your vids, you're a great creator, and I love watching these, but I hate when people dismiss things out of hand
Plus he’s not even consistent with it
If he truest believes the early comics and books were canon then he should call attack of the clones and revenge of the sith non-canon because the comics wrote about the clone wars first and were vastly different
The only difference is he arbitrarily denied the work made by the guy Lucas hired and he looked over instead focusing on the writers who kind of did what they wanted and at times actively disagreed with Lucas (like in the case of Mara jade)
I'm fairly sure Mustafar's trees can be somewhat explained by the events of the VR game Vader Immortal.
Its totally explained by Vader Immortal. I guess this was ignored or they did not know of it.
4:07 "Ahsoka Tico"...sometimes the memes write themselves lol
🤣😅😆👏
Holy man that was a belgariad reference. My hat goes off to you sir.
I'd always excused the duel in the first film as ray winning because kylo had taken a bowcaster bolt to the chest and he also had to focus on not dying, but that certainly doesn't explain how she was able to actively win a force tug of war with zero training.
You kept showing scenes from the island from The Last Jedi, and it didn't look like something I'd seen before. Then I realized those scenes were showing in the many, many moments where my eyes rolled up into my skull. I think I'd rather slam my genitalia in a car door than watch the movie again... I would happily watch the Prequel Trilogy a thousand times each before I watch anything of the Sequel Trilogy ever again. At least those felt like Star Wars.
I assume the Mustafar scene could be based on the events of the Vader: Immortal games, at the end of which the Brightstar is destroyed and the life force of Mustafar is returned so that it may grow back to its former lush state or something like that
I doubt JJ knew anything about that
@Dunkopf
Yeah I don't think he even watched all of the movies 🤣
@@user9267 LMAO
@@user9267 JJ already admitted disdain for the Clone Wars existing.
Amazing series, thanks for uploading it, I look forward to your future videos
You should give the clone wars a chance. A lot of Disney wars violates basically everything established in that show to (because, by in large, it was made by someone who actually likes starwars)
Other way around, Filoni clone wars fits better into Disney canon, then into original legends canon.
@@joeymobb8438 The shit Disney wars did breaks basically every conflict in clone wars for basicly the same reason it breaks the prequals and the OT.
Some of the best SW content on YT. Good show sir. Here's to more subs for you
hard to tell what's a joke and what's not but it's not dryad -- it's dyad. Like triad. A dichotomy, a pair, yin and yang.
I started watching the video before anyone could even watch it until the end. So excited.
Just watching this makes me regret ever being hyped about these movies...
I love this analisys, it sticks to the facts that the external content and the movies themselves show instead of just putting ones fellings torwards the movies in front. I don't like the sequels, but I hate when people base their critiques on their feeling on the matter rather than the matter itself
I wonder if the seeming inconsistency between the prequels and the EU which establishes that the Mon Calamari made first contact with the Empire instead of the Republic, yet there being a Quarren senate seat could be remedied by suggesting that the Quarren on Mon Cala were originally colonists, and that their species hails from elsewhere in the galaxy, which is where that seat comes from. Probably not, but it's a suggestion.
God damn your ideas make this so much better than it actually was.
Love the video. I appreciate the logical breakdown. A few things I thought I'd mention although you probably thought of them but didn't deem them worth mentioning.
Regarding Luke's training, his training took place over the span of 3-4 years, although you could really say that the majority of that took place between Empire and Return. His "First Duel Upperhand" is the result of him dipping into the dark of the force a bit. I think it would make sense if they had Rey dabbling in the dark side and she had to be shown a better way.
Jake Skywalker is a nice touch, a good nod to Mark Hamill.
The Diad thing is just the connection to Kylo right? I mean still stupid but not calling her a dryad. A quick inspection shows that diad is actually a term for two monomers in chemistry, so while its stupid in these movies, at least it has some basis.
Banger vid as always
So tickled you went with the magnitude quote! 😆
The other thing you get from a planet without a magma core that you can Traverse is a cool sci-fi concept, please don't try to apply real-world physics too much to a fantasy world, keep the rule of cool in mind
I love how you mix education and shitposting
Luke also said talent without training is nothing. Also Disney probably did say that "we can do anything jar Jar" to jj
Counterpoint on the Mass Effect 2 part at 7:10. She is using a biotic shield. Biotics can work as a spacesuit in a vacuum and can hold as much air as the biotic user brings with them
Love your content and way of balancing movie lore with other sources. I havent read the books but i have watched most of the 3D series. I disagree with some of your takes but i appreciate your explanations on them.
Star wars is fun.
Obi wan heals Luke after he's attacked by sandpeople - laying on hands on Luke's forehead. He does it in the film, but it's more explicit in the novelisation. "Accelerate healing" sounds right.
10 years to train? Luke had at most 10 weeks on Dagobah in ESB, and 1 year training with Yoda between ESB & ROTJ.
Right, due to the exceptional circumstances, Luke was put through a crash course. None of his training was done in the traditional way, and even then it didn't go as planned (both masters die on him). This leaves Luke constantly searching for ancient Jedi lore, even as he goes on to train his own pupils. Much like being a squire on Earth, it takes many years of training to become a knight. A decade sounds right to me, which the prequels would later confirm.
The idea of a second Yoda training session while Han is frozen in Jabba's palace is interesting, where'd you hear that? We know he constructed his own lightsabre, but this was in Kenobi's hut. The dialogue from RotJ doesn't indicate Luke returned to Dagobah at any point since running off to Cloud City. -DZ
Take a shot every time he says training
I enjoy seeing the acknowledgement that the 3D clone wars series was a reboot of a different animated series and included new characters. Asoka is universally loved, and her existence doesn't make sense. I feel like it take a lot of balls to to admit that in a video that will actually be seen by thousands.
I'm going to need a little bit more than that. In what way does her existence not make sense?
@@godofthecripples1237 In the sense that she is a retroactively added character. Her existence conflicts with the progression of Anakin's character. Probably the subject of a decently long breakdown. I think if you watch the show and then immediately watch the prequels you will see it is hard to square her ever having been.
@@worldlylexicon671 I'm well aware that Ahsoka is a retroactively added character, everybody knows that. But it's one that George Lucas himself requested be added because he felt Anakin didn't get enough development in the movies. She doesn't conflict with his development, she expands on it significantly. The whole series does.
@@godofthecripples1237 Even the creators of a universe do not get to make retroactive changes. That is what I respected about the video we are chatting on.
@@worldlylexicon671 Actually, that's not even remotely true. You don't get to dictate what the creators of the universe can and can't do. It's their Universe, they can do absolutely anything they want with it, regardless of how it's received. By your logic, prequels to absolutely anything are impossible because they retroactively change the context of the events that come later. One could say that expanding on any aspect of a story is now impossible because it retroactively changes that creators earlier work. Except none of that is true, because a creator can do whatever they want with their creation. It's theirs.
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Force download, memory wipe, and Guardian.. An excellent explanatory scenario!
Have to point out that we see mon calamari during the Clone Wars as a neutral system, and also have to point out if the quarian race of the planet mon calamari visibly in the Republic Senate. Furthermore in George Lucas approved game Knights of the Old Republic, not only are the mon Cala able to be encountered offworld but so are the quarian. And that game takes place 4,000 BBY
The one thing you're missing about Rey's lightsaber duel is that they DID set up her ability to hold her own in a melee fight in TFA, which Fin witnesses. You even use this clip later in the video.
Except in-universe, it's established that lightsabers are not like other weapons, as the blades have no weight, and they are exceptionally dangerous to use without proper training.
Additionally, in the fight you're mentioning, Rey was fighting with a staff (a long, blunt weapon, not even a sword), against unarmed opponents. The ability to fight off other scavengers with a stick does not mean Rey would be able to win a fight using an exotic, specialized weapon she'd never even seen before.
@@JohnnyFedora1 Still she was fighting a dude that had just been gut shot. It's amazing he could even stand up or just survive. Also his mind was all wrapped up with killing his dad, although again I'm sure his mental state has little effect when compared to the fact that his internal organs were ruptured and leaking out of his side.
@@JohnnyFedora1 it’s a nitpick, but lightsabers do have weight in their blades. otherwise you could just swing one around willy-nilly like a laser pointer, and the combat would look much different. it’s also clear she doesn’t know how to effectively fight with a saber, she’s used to being able to jab with her long staff
@@dysphoricpeach George Lucas has even said that Lightsabers are heavy when ignited.
@@2apocalypsex That's because of the magnetic field to keep it from being just laser pointer like your blade will want to point down and require some force awareness to counteract it.
After watching the first movie I was totally ok with Ray being OP because I thought she was the reincarnation of Anakin. A second coming of force Jesus. She has all the skills because she IS him.
It would make more sense if she was Luke's daughter, hell you can have his exile be because he thinks Kylo killed her when in reality he couldn't bring himself to kill his younger cousin and instead somehow sealed her force powers. As Anakins grandkid she would have almost rhe same potential as him, and you csn have Kylo lose to her because of how conflicted he is at harming his family
This was a fantastic video, but it was good.
superbly articulated! Only one note: Force Dyad is the idea of TWO connected beings, using the prefix dy/di to justify an entire mechanic invented for the purpose of the film. This is not the same as the Rule of Two, (Clone Wars lore) and is not Tree Magic.
just commenting in the interest of clarity: they made a greater mess of the force than you could possibly imagine.
In comparison, something like Dagobarrian Dryads would have been much more coherent.
Leading up to The Last Jedi I avoided most of the theory videos as I had figured that some would end up correct and didn't want to get spoiled, however I still came up with my own theories which of course ended up being wrong.
One of them was that Rey was one of Luke's students but to keep her safe, she was taken off world & had her memory wiped. Her training & skill were still intact, she simply had to "unlock" them similar to a video game. Either way it's better than the "Rey downloaded Kylo Ren's training" which was the official explanation in TFA's novelization. The Sequel Trilogy's books did a lot of damage control, usually not for the better.
Another theory I had was that Rey was like a loose cannon where she was extremely powerful with the Force but without proper control she could hurt everything & everyone around her. TROS sort of leans into this idea when Rey suddenly shoots Force Lightning & blows up a ship after losing control. If we had more of that in both TROS & TLJ then Rey could've been real interesting but alas, TLJ doubled down on Rey being super powerful with no training or reason.
Such a shame, especially since it quickly turned into "oh you must hate/be scared of strong women" whenever people tried to criticize Rey's character even though Star Wars has always had strong female characters with a lot of them being fan favorites.
Anyways, great video as usual been loving these rewrites. I do have a question though, would you consider doing a video at the end of the series where you present your rewrite in it's entirety? Because you've been dividing things by topic of discussion, your rewrite is currently out of order with a lot of jumping around. It'd be cool to watch (listen) to the rewrite in chronological order.
If you don't want to that's fine, likely requiring making a new script so it flowed together better than a clip compilation. Just a suggestion.
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Force Lorax killed me
I wasn't expecting Captain Scarlet to show up here!
In regards to the Mon Calamari timeline, what's the consensus then on their appearance in the 2003 Clone Wars series where Kit Fisto aids them in their civil war with the Quarrian (who have joined the CIS)?
the backstory discussed in this video was long retconned so the mon cala being pre-empire is the concenus
@@deka5047 exactly, that has got to be the most confusing aspect of this video as a large amount of legends was made under that thinking.
The the old comic was bollocks
Honestly seems more like he’s cherrypicking what he wants to be considered canon logic, Lucas and lore he damned
Sorry, had to just come into the comments to say that the dried apricot bit at 20:25 was so unexpected it absolutely floored me XD
EDIT: Okay, for how ridiculous the lack of training thing is for Rey, that origin story you drew up is actually a really interesting idea. I'd love to see a smaller scale character with a story arc like that, just not something as galaxy-spanning as this
Love the 'BFG division', adds to the vid
I enjoy the way you say telly-por-tation.
You have such a great taste in music. Kinda intense for the calmness of your voice but it gets me so hyped lmao
I’m actually really surprised he’s never seen the Clone Wars. It’s such a good show, even the last few episodes of the Disney season are fantastic and some of the best of the whole show. (The first half is absolute garbage though, Disney had to shoehorn in some quirky relatable characters with sad backstories for no apparent reason).
The Mustafar we see in 9 ep is terra formed planet, after events of Darth Vader: Immortal.
The 'force dryad' bit killed me XD
“Star Wars: The Clone Wars” and “Star Wars: Rebels” has some pretty good moments, I would recommend watching them. Also spoiler for a game from over 3 years ago.
The in-universe reason why Mustafar has trees is due to the events of the Vader VR game. I would guess that the people working on (or the ones that was deciding the sets and what not, or someone working on the film) RoS knew of that game and added it so that there is some sort of continuity from the game to there.
As for the force powers, the “dyad” is, likely, just a very strong force bond (think of Revan and Bastila or Kreia and the Jedi Exile). As you talked about with force healing, it was in previous material and was not handled as a extremely op ability in the books. If I am not mistaken, I’m order to be able to do basic first aid, a force user must take many years to learn the biology of different species and must be well trained and attuned with the force.
I may have missed remembered a few things, though I do believe I got a lot of it correct.
The Toothpaste Genie came out when I was like 8 or 9. It was my favourite book for about 2 months. I have never heard a reference to it since. Cheers!
While I agree with shitting on the choice of suddenly having dead trees on mustafar, the actual reference material is a VR game they published. The general idea was that mustafar is not naturally volcanic, and it was only that way due to some force bullshit, which gets resolved during the time of the empire, allowing the planet to slowly start to regrow life.
For the gas scene we learn in KotOR2 that the jedi technique that they use against the Dioxis gas is applicable against Cyanogen gas, which does get in through your skin and eyeballs.
Not sure if that's considered reboot lore or not, but you butcher your way through an entire cantina filled with the gas using the technique, and it's apparently so easy to learn that Kreia can just teach it to you as you lie there dying, my own personal headcanon is that it's just a refinement on the technique that all jedi are taught to resist poisons. And so you should already know the basics beforehand.
Outro song like Civvie11, love it!
The thing that hurts is that the throne room fight is so well choreographed, but it has so little weight to it.
Imagine Rey had failed before, hell, what if she had lost a limb or two.
Theres an interesting story you could tell with her. She is a "Chosen One" by her own choice.
She has decided to try and fix the world, bring balance and justice to everything. Having her fail and suffer adds weight to her choice, and gives her depth.
She struggles in that fight but wins, if she has inly ever lost and run before this point it feels a lot more important that she does win.
A few seconds of montage showing Rei falling a few times, experiencing failure and having a hard time, but working through it. That's all it would have taken. BAM! Not a Mary Sue.
awesome! :)
One important thing about the gesture is when Vader chokes people with the force.
He doesn't have any hands, what is seen are mechanical parts. So clearly, for choking it doesn't need an actual hand.
He also chokes the admiral while both are on different spaceships, talking through a screen. So it also works across long distances and without the need to directly see the target.
But Vader still raises his mechanical arm. That might be simple habit, or to clearly show people around that he is the one doing it, but it would probably work just as well just by thought.
In the same way, a classic Jedi mind trick uses the thought of manipulating someone, the gesture, and saying the thought. So basically the thought of the spell, the magic gesture, and the magic words. The three classic components of magic.
Does it need all three components? Can a Jedi just silently will the change? Can they do it while bound? Maybe.
But as Vader is a very powerful force user, he might not need the physical component for a choke. So a very powerful force user might also use the mind trick without hand movement.
And I like the idea of Rey tapping into the dark side. Especially in the time before any proper training she unconsciously uses what works.
I remember fanart from the time between Ep 7 and 8 of dark side Ray and light side Kylo. Which would actually be something new. A Sith redeeming himself before the finale of a trilogy (like Vader) and a hero falling before the finale of a trilogy (also Vader) would make for an interesting plot. Especially if Rey redeems herself again. That way we can even satisfy the shippers of her and Kylo.
There are actually a ton of references in the original canon to the Jedi using the Force to speed up their selfhealing. However, there were a few Jedi who used the Force to heal others, slowly. The female Mon Calamari student of the first twelve Acolytes in Luke's Praxeum cured Mon Mothma of the poisoning performed by the Caridian "ambassador" for starters. But as discussed in the video, not instantaneously and not without consequences.
I was waiting for away too long for the payoff on the dryad joke. at this point i think its not a joke, you genuinely misheard. He didn't say Dryad, he said Diad. As in the duo or two version of Triad.
The cross guards on Kylo Rens lightsaber is the result of his lightsaber crystal becoming unstable and essentially giving out excess energy, so he designed the hilt to emit two small blades on the side to expel that energy, and due to the fact that his crystal is unstable that’s also why the blade of his saber is more rippled, this type of lightsaber was later said to be an ancient Jedi design and was shown briefly in Star Wars Rebels when they were on Malachor V