A Brief Retrospective | Star Wars: The Phantom Menace (Part 1)
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- From the opening crawl until Naboo landing. Join us for the first installment of our The Phantom Menace retrospective.
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Narration recorded in partnership with THE WARDROBE (IG: @wardobestudionz).
#00:00 INTRO
#00:37 Part 1: Credits To The Opening
#03:03 Part 2: No Purpose For Fighting
#16:04 Part 3: Setting The Scene
#28:14 Part 4: Tongue-Tied Jar-Jar
#39:54 OUTRO - Zábava
As I got older I started to think Jar Jar was overly hated. But your fix does handle him well and solve the so called Jar Jar problem
There is no Jar Jar problem. He has like 2 or 3 "goofy" scenes and the rest of the hate is about his accent and speaking mannerisms. If you watch with subtitles on it will entirely change your outlook on the character.
@@maxo.9928 he is not that bad at all. As for his mannerisms and accent, Jar Jar is an alien if he sounded and acted just like a human it would be more bizarre would it not?
He's just as shitty as every other character, no more no less, I don't like him but never understood why he was singled out.
The only thing I specifically dislike about jar jar is how he is clearly taking the piss out of how Jamaicans speak
A SITH LORD???
I think Jabba is perfectly capable of speaking Basic. He just doesn't as a power move.
The only time it's heard is in his "Star Wars Math: Jabba's Game Galaxy" Video Game. Obviously for the ease of small children in playing the game, but it's a bit uncanny to hear, in a cool way.
He stems from a crime family operating on an immigration based planet. It's unlikely that he's not fluent in basic.
So many of the fan rewrites just cut Jar Jar from the movie altogether; it's refreshing to see someone actually try to work with him. A fix I had in mind was having an extra Gungan follow along; Roos Tarpals, the commander that we see fighting with him in the battle. He would be the straight man to Jar Jar's humour, while also serving as an extra fighter. His reason for coming; he was sent to make sure that if Jar Jar were to be taken, then he should be killed, so that the location of their city would remain a mystery to the rest of the galaxy. Of course, this isn't what would happen. And then, when the Battle of Naboo comes along, we see Roos performing competently, and then the camera would pan to Jar Jar's klutziness, providing greater contrast.
The guy that is seen facepalming at Jar Jar’s foolish suggestion?
I can see that happening, while having Roos be speaking intellectually would also serve as a good contrast too.
I always loved how Obi was portrayed in Episode 1, because we've only seen him be the stoic master from ep. 4 and his voice from 5 and 6.
To see him at the youngest we've seen him, being so brash and impatient with a light air of superiority for being a Jedi. Having lost Qui-gon really forced him to mature, and then to be in charge of the boy he once considered a "pathetic life form". It really shows from the start that he was not the master Anakin would need. They were very similar, despite Obi trying to seem like he was in control of situations and in control of his emotions, he was still young himself, so much more he himself had to learn from Qui-gon!
Obi wan was forced (lol) to grow up quick after quigon goes down. He succeeds, and continues to grow over the course of the prequels
Anakin was thrown into to Jedi training late, told he is the chosen one. we see him fail to grow up fully in episode 2, we think he is grown at the beginning of episode 3 but we see hints that he's not. Then it all falls apart.
The trilogy is all about the separation of obiwan and Anakin culminating in their fight on the volcano planet.
ITS FUCKING GENIUS!!!
he's shown to be even more immature in the "padawan" novels, i think they're called. i liked those novels. added a lot to the dynamic of obi-wan and qui-gon. Obi-wan even leaves the order for a couple years, definitely showing his more brash and impulsive younger side.
What a dork.
@@mattstorm6568 I think you're on the wrong video buddy 🤣 not a fan of deep dives? Why you wasting your time here
@@TheEmpireDabsBack Yeah, that must be it, those prequels def require some deep thinking.
Man, I always roll my eyes at the meme "Darth Jar Jar" theories, this is such a brilliant alternative. Instead of just treating him like a comic buffoon, just better represent that these non-human races can have radically different, not better or worse, just different, cultures.
While Jar Jar being a full-fledged Sith lord is a meme, to be sure (but a welcome one), the idea that he was secretly an agent of the Dark Side is fascinating. Like an inverse parallel of Yoda, a seemingly harmless and unassuming amphibious creature encountered in a swamp turns out to be a powerful and mystical being. The red skin, dark clothes and yellow eyes also scream Dark Side much in the same way Yoda's green skin and simple brown robes were indicative of the Jedi. Jar Jar "merely pretending" would have also fixed people's complaints about his character being too goofy and childish by making it all an act to lull the good guys (and the audience) into a false sense of security.
Jar Jar’s silly antics and seemingly clumsy actions could be low key sabotage. There is the part where he does announce giving all the governmental powers to the Chancellor and it’s the only time, if not one of the few times, where he is seen dead serious.
He literally is a dark lord
It almost feels like that was the original intention before the overwhealmingly negative fan reception about Jar Jar. From his eye color to the actual name of the film "The Phantom Menace", it seems plausible. Not to mention in Attack of the Clones Jar Jar was the first senator to propose giving emergency powers to chancellor Palpatine.
You roll your eyes at a joke? Very impressive, i’d hate to hear your opinions on Vogon poetry.
Giving the gungans their own language is a pretty good solution. Also making the moments where they do speak in Basic moments where theyre being condescending really adds to Boss Nass being all high and mighty
Plus it adds to the fact that when they speak Basic, it's not at a native level. Their language clearly has different grammar, and some of that shows, even when their leader is speaking. A bit how Yoda speaks. He clearly had a lot of time learning Basic, but still speaks with turned around sentences.
15:55 In support of thinking of luxury yachts more as passenger liners than military cruisers:
Recreational sailor here! Long distance keel boat races (regattas) are usually divided into two overarching classes: "Racer" boats are sailboats designed for racing from masthead to keel. "Cruiser" boats are sailboats designed for pleasure cruising that have been entered in a race regardless. The race committee then takes these two general classes and divides them further into more specific classes of length, displacement and rigging.
The Republic cruiser's non-belligerent assignments ferrying diplomats around the galaxy in comfort rather than at break-neck speeds would make it a neat fit for the "cruiser" class in our own wet oceans.
Another point for this: the Republic at this time does not have a 'navy'. Officially, any military ships in the galaxy are owned either privately or by member states. Why would official Republic vessels at this time use military classifications?
@AriosQarsute The Judicial forces did have a small navy, a few of the armed variant of the ship here, and some slightly dofferent ones, plus a couple red-painted dreadnauts.
New Bread Circus? It's an Easter miracle!
That's not a child commanding the republic cruiser. It's a small scottish actress.
I do not remember her name but she was in quiet a few TV shows at the time in the UK. Pretty sure she was in The Commitments.
I was just about to add that when I was your comment
Ha, guess I shouldn't have commented until i,d watched a bit more :)
“It turns out, that is a woman with short hair. In my defence, I make Star Wars videos on the internet.”
Excellent video as always!
21:00 in the directors commentary featured in the 2011 Bluray, it is stated that the “Force Sprint” was actually a result of an editing choice due to the actors on set walking away rather non-chalantly. They decided to speed up the footage and add smearing to make the action flow better in contrast to the Droidika’s barrage.
Though it had been a thing in videogames since the 90s.
this is the most unique and interesting take on Jar Jar I've listened to, which is weird since its been so many years and the best the fandom could come up with was Darth Jar Jar
i actually unironically like the Darth Jar Jar idea, and it still fits in the characterization you gave him being unintelligible for most of the movies.. when he shows that he's darth jar jar.. suddenly he speaks perfect basic and obi wan would be like O___O
I've seena full episode 1 reedit where Jarjar's never speaking basic. Great minds think alike it seems.
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. The Phantom Menace is an underappreciated movie.
Making him not speak Basic is a minimal change. Personally for a larger re-write that would let him fulfill the roles he played and make a lot more sense with the positions he's put in, I would make him a member of a noble or upper-class family where his family prestige was used to cover up his bumbling. This makes him fit into the army and the political situations a lot better and sets up some character growth of him realizing how much he's been a fuck-up.
His presence on the surface being a military posting to just get him out of the way. So he's not just a banished fool defying the city, he's a military officer and noble that's playing on his status to get the Jedi to speak with the leader. It cascades out from there pretty nicely. I think Jar-Jar would be considered a better character if he had appreciable character growth in the story.
Oh boy, time to start watching all of these every time another part comes out.
Can't wait to spend the entire duration of the original, prequel, and Disney spinoff trilogy watching every single one of these.
What else was I gonna do? Be productive?
You will love what is going to happen in about 5 weeks from now. We'll be letting Patrons know the specific details a week or so in advance. -ED-1TA
I have a counter Bread Circus, "larger engines means it is faster" does not account for engine efficiency, a very large engine can produce much less thrust than a smaller engine and often does in older engines compared to new engines.
In real life different engine size and shape on spacecraft can dictate what sort of environment the engine works well in; for example engines designed to fire in atmosphere tend to be larger with wider nozzles to maximize push, while narrower engines with smaller outputs tend to maximise efficiency for long distance, low gravity propulsion. While obviously physics doesn't work the same way irl as in Star Wars, it's not beyond the realm of possibility to suspect that the different engine layouts are designed to prioritise different things.
@@kapitankapital6580 I agree?
True enough, it could definitely give better efficiency. After a certain point, though, it starts going the other way. When the engine gets too large and low-thrust, adding more only slows the ship down. Another factor to consider is that maybe we shouldn't be thinking from the perspective of the ship at all.
What kinds of engines are being manufactured on Corellia at the time? Perhaps in the time of the Radiant VII, the shipyards were making some enormous ships. The corvettes made at that time have huge engines, because they're good enough and available to CEC factories in high numbers. By the time the Tantive IV comes around, there are a lot of smaller, lighter engines on the market instead. -DZ
This series inspired me to revisit the Phantom Menace and I was pleasantly surprised how quickly it was paced, and how pleasant all the characters were to hang out with while I did Laundry.
I think with the new laid back streaming approach we're seeing with Disney+ the prequals can be revisited pretty pleasently when you arent obligated to pay undivided time and attending
The really old earth definition of a cruiser is a ship which does cruising, as in patrols and colonial policing. This would be stuff like frigates, brigs and sloops so in that sense the prequel definition makes sense for the Old Republic. They'd have to send out random ships to all sorts of places all the time to check up on them which is what "cruisers" were used for. As time went on, on earth, big frigates morphed into a new class - the cruiser, then they basically just kept growing from there. Any Star Wars lore definition can follow the same line of reasoning. Our current (earth) ship classifications are basically all out of whack anyway.
The first sentence should have been "For over 1000 generations the known galaxy has been at peace. The Republic and the Jedi Order have ensured stability and justice, but their power in the outer rim and over Commerical interests is weakening and disputes have arise over the taxation of outlying trade routes."
Disney, I await your call... You could (and have) done worse.
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
I feel like Jar Jar would have been so much better received by Star Wars fans if, at the end of the battle with the droid army, instead of showing him comically surrendering when the droids had him at gun point, the scene was treated with more gravity and he was depicted facing death with dignity, like a warrior. I also think he should have gotten a poignant moment at Qui-Gon's funeral acknowledging his being released from his life-debt. The Gungans see themselves as a proud warrior race placing a high value on honor and loyalty, it would have made sense for Jar Jar to have a character arc about him overcoming his cowardice and proving himself to his people in the end.
I always liked jar-jar and so did everyone else in my school that watched star wars. Never got why he was so overly hated.
Jar Jar is unironically helping with work on one of the pods. Wow, I never noticed that.
You know jar jar is dark jar jar because eveyone else just trusts in the force to do stuff, but jar jar takes things into the power of his own hands.
Everyone trusts in the force
jar jar trusts in himself.
The force will make things work out
this engine will help make the force do something.
While Naval terminology on Earth shouldn't always be applicable to Star Wars. Arbitrary naming of ship class is also a common feature of modern navies. Germany has frigates that under everyone else's definition would be a Guided Missile Destroyer. A modern Cruiser only differs from a Destroyer by its Radar package and its equipment loadout. The new Zumwalt Destroyers are larger and displace more tonnage than WWI era Battleships. And nobody can forget Japan's fleet of Fixed wing aircraft launching, carrier shaped Destroyers.
Outer rim arms dealers aren't known for their truthfulness as we all know.
And don't forget until the mid 70's the US classed frigates as being bigger then destroyers but smaller then cruisers.
An Easter surprise better than a chokkie egg - from my favorite Kiwi!
I quite like your jar jar fix cos it both deepens the world-building and understands that the problem was his excessive communication, not his behaviour.
Heck yea! Just discovered your stuff last week and I've been binging hard. Awesome to see a new one today. Great work.
Thanks for saying so! The next episode in this TPM series is almost ready, should be out in a few days. We're aiming to increase the regularity of the uploads, with a focus on having a complete series to cover this movie. Though, knowing us, you'll probably get another one-off video on some other topic. -DZ
one thing people who werent around then probably dont realize is that in the theatre and definitely on a normal tv people had back then the cgi looked pretty photorealistic, unlike on a perfectly clear lcd these days where its awful. it's a bit of a shame because the compositing, like making the different elements into a scene, is what suffers, due to not very good lighting and lens simulations, things like that, and it sort of hides that some things, like jar jar himself, are actually equal and in some cases a bit better than what you'd see now in some ways. imo of course.
Excellent work and such a simple but elegant solution to the Jar-Jar issue. Well done.
I don't think you should get too worked up about them calling it a cruiser, I think that's just a colloquial term for a large vessel in Star Wars. It's also worth remembering that average ship size explodes during the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, so trying to retroactively apply Imperial classifications built around Star Destroyers to a peacetime Republic navy is probably not a great idea.
Cruiser may in part be drawing from the original definition where cruiser was a roll not a classification. Any ship capital or not sent on a cruising mission was a cruiser. It wouldn’t be hard to see how this could evolve into a diplomatic term as cruising missions often had diplomatic missions.
*THE EMPEROR*
That 'boy' is Bronagh Gallagher. I take it you never saw Pulp Fiction or The Commitments, then.
I've seen Pulp Fiction at least a couple of dozen times. I may be face blind, because I never considered for a second they were the same person. It only clicked when I read her Wikipedia page. -ED-1TA
@@thebreadcircus Fair enough. The Commitments was a big deal in my family, one of those movies we watched over and over. So I guess I was primed to recognise her when she showed up in Pulp Fiction and Star Wars. :)
Not gonna lie, this is brilliant. I wasnt even in kindergarten when this movie was released so I very much appreciated his humor as a child but as an adult it did not age well. It sounded forced, patronizing, even condescending to a mature audience. This works so well because it keeps the charm I had when I was a kid by retaining all the funny actions he does but makes it work with an audience by making them understand what he is saying by their consequences and context clues, not their content. It’s still Jar Jar, but requires enough mental engagement that the adult can figure out the substance of the conversation on their own and make him sound more eloquent in the imagination. That’s just a fantastic way to do what up to now I thought was all but impossible. Well done
That's exactly what I was going for, thanks for noticing! The entire idea is probably from having seen both sides of Jar-Jar. When this movie was released, I was just barely young enough to find him funny. I remember most of the comedy worked on me, but every once in a while it fell flat. Using his tongue to snatch apples, I will defend to this day as legitimately funny.
Shmi Skywalker lives in a pretty grim world. It feels like Jar-Jar works by comedy rules, he was never really in danger. Maybe it's just me, but I think this change makes him fit in better with the universe. Han is a bit of a wise guy, Leia can be witty, and absolutely nobody complains about them. Having humour in Star Wars is not just possible, it's essential! Jar-Jar, like a lot of comedy moments from the prequels, is a fine idea that was terribly executed. When I get to AotC, C-3PO's head swapping will need a similar treatment. -DZ
I don't know how you didn't realize the pilot was a woman. I realized that when I was like 7 and first watched it.
17:00 i thought that its a woman :D
18:40 oh never mind, you figured it out yourself XD
Concerning the Cruiser debacle, as you mentioned in the video, Cruisers are defined by the Imperial system. The Phantom Menace takes place a decade before the formation of the Empire. Additionally, there is no galactic warfare. In peace times, maybe a cruiser means something entirely different.
Finally, a truly brief retrospective! :)
The palpatine thing...even as a kid i saw through it...never thought it was supposed to be any sort of mistery
I really enjoyed this, I am certainly keeping my eye out for more.
We made a few one-off special episodes in the meantime: now it's time to continue this series. A direct follow-up episode will be out in a few days. We intend to focus on this Phantom Menace series for the near future, it's all planned out. Hope you'll enjoy the next one just as much. -DZ
I always wanted a Lego model of the Consular-class cruiser
Love the breakdown of ship classes compared to real life. Ships were always my favourite part of Star Wars.
Can we talk about "Bombers" now?
So early. Hail Bread Circus!!
The way I would have changed Jar Jar is by not making him stupid.
Literally everything happens because he is stupid. And he was exiled for being stupid. The problem with this is that him getting exiled must have happened while the droid transports were landing, because I refuse to believe that he would be able to stay alive longer in the jungle, because he is that stupid.
There is one specific flaw that would allow the rest of the trilogy to happen: naivety. If you trow a well meaning but naive person into a hostile political environment, disasters will happen, regardless of how competent that person is otherwise.
For example I would get him exiled for going to the surface too much, out of curiosity. They are an isolationist society, and Jar Jar is risking everyone. And the next time he returned he brought outsiders? Yeah, that's understandably a death sentence.
Maybe he did realize that Padme and the queen are the same person, after talking with both of them. And when they are in the sanctuary asking for help, Padme is visibly anxious. She should be the one talking with the boss, right? Or is that a bad idea to reveal it now? Would the boss take it as an offense? What is the right thing to do?
Then Jar Jar just puts his hand on her shoulder, and nods reassuringly. And while Padme reveals her true identity, Obi-Wan pokes his master to pay up, because he won some bet they had off-screen about how this will go.
And replace the fart and poop jokes with "a swamp frog in the desert" jokes!
The Executor Super Star destroyer was listed as 8 km long in the West End Games source book but when looking at it in the Empire Strikes Back, it should be twice that size. If an Imperial Star Destroyer is 1.6 km long, the Executor it 10 times longer than an Imperial and should be 16 km long.
Concerning the "Cruiser" problem, there are a bunch of cars with the name, despite not being ships at all. I assume it just means the ship is fast for its class.
As much as I enjoy the concept of Jar-Jar secretly being the greatest evil in the galaxy, I much prefer any attempt to make him work better as he is; he's not bad, just misused. The idea of Jar-Jar speaking Gungan and only switching to Basic for people that he knows wouldn't bother to understand him otherwise is good, and made great with the rework that Padme uses a Gungan phrase she learned in passing from Jar-Jar to win over Boss Nass.
One of the greatest missed opportunities for me was a lack of New Republic in the Sequels, and part of what I would have wanted to see was Jar-Jar back in the Senate specifically fighting against remilitarization against Leia trying to make sure that the Imperial Remnant has no foothold in the galaxy. Imagine a scene where Jar-Jar is explaining the guilt that he feels, knowing that his good intentions to protect the Republic by giving Palpatine emergency powers led to the Empire, and that he refuses to see the New Republic follow a similar path. But because Disney looked at the Prequels and decided that there was nothing of quality and nothing that could be salvaged and that they shouldn't take anything from it, we will never get a proper look at a New Republic that takes cues from both the OT and Prequels.
This is a great point. About all you get are the occasional Clone Wars items showing up. Some eccentric New Republic hero might use a DC-15 clone blaster. A band of mercenaries has a droideka or MTT. Maybe a post-Empire warlord has Acclamators and Venators in his fleet of obsolete star destroyers, as well as the usual Victory class. Even I rarely think about bringing prequel-era things back after the fall of the Empire. -DZ
Always good to reference Homeworld.
And another gem of a video.
Great vid!!!! 🐐
that ending song was peak late 90s early 2000s direct to dvd catchy.
If I remember right, Gorge told the eu writers not to mess with the clone wars era and the Zahn described the clone wars anyway but told it the other way around, the clones were against the republic. He was also a little snot and had his books happen in the exact time frame as dark empire a comic so good Gorge was considering making it into something bigger.
Yep, the entire prequel era was off-limits until after the movies. We knew very little about that time before the movies came out, which allowed the movies to exactly fit with (nearly) everything that had been said. People just said Senator Palpatine became President instead of Chancellor, minor things like that.
Speaking of plot twists, Attack of the Clones was quite a subversion of everyone's expectations. Everyone expected that clones were completely unrelated to stormtroopers. Obviously, we all thought, the clones are evil. In fact, the most likely interpretation of "the Clone Wars" was a handful of individual warlords. With a few loyal followers and a whole lot of clones, one man (and his clones) could represent a huge threat. Even the Republic military might not be able to fend off so many evil attacking clones.
When it came to the prequel era, George Lucas did something entirely unexpected. Yet somehow it fits, it doesn't feel strange that clone troopers and stormtroopers are related. -DZ
@@thebreadcircus I thought Gorge had a smart way of making a prequel without hitting the pitfalls of one. Making it like a docudrama was a smart move. They oddly forgot this lesson for the clone wars tv show, creating characters just to kill them off to create an illusion of suspense was a mistake, they should have kept the samurai jack style and just did cool fights.
3:30 more importantly it fits the "visual language" of Star Wars better than almost any other prequel ship.
That's one of the biggest complaints I heard during the prequels, that most of the ships just didn't look like they belonged in that particular galaxy.
But the consular ship in the beginning of TPM would blend perfectly into the OT.
And since many of the OT vessels were supposed to date back to the Clone Wars the newer designs just seemed off
And here I liked the Republic Cruise because it looked cool >.>
29:27 NEVER FORGET MARAUDER SHIELDS!
AFAIK is not that the Tantive IV was called the blockade runner, but the whole CR90 class was called blockade runners and that's why the Republic used so many.
The Tantive IV runs blockades by having the credentials to pass through them. The Audio drama and Empire comic adaptation of them show it pretty well.
Great vid
That Supermarionation stuff gives me Venture Bros. vibes.
Yeh tht Jar Jar change would be dope
Honestly not sure if it was satire but that’s the famous Irish actress Bronagh Gallagher. She was in Pulp Fiction!
DZ was being all smug about being uncancellable and then ED-1TA drops that savage burn @21:18 as the ultimate "go ahead, try and cancel me". What a Chad
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
I had a fit at the arson bit.
The Republic Cruiser is clearly only a cruiser in the American Graffiti sense. George must've gotten confused.
i wasn't ready for the arson part
Is anybody ever ready for arson? -ED-1TA
In the Star Wars universe the term Cruisers has been applied to no combat ships in the transport role of VIP's and/or Dignitaries. More like a private jet than a flying luxury liner.
marauder shields... i just finished the trilogy an hour ago
13:17 The section about Gunray calling the ship a "Naboo cruiser" when it is clearly too small to be a cruiser by any standard or definition. This very likely was a simple mistake or oversight by the script writers, but at the same time, I think it fits in perfectly. Nute Gunray is not a general, he's a businessman and a politician. People like that in the real world get the technical names of objects wrong all the time. Alexandria Cortez was talking about a type of armored truck used by SWAT teams all over the US, called an MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected), and she called it a "tank". It's a large, bulky truck with four wheels like any other car, and is absolutely not a tank. She was not talking figuratively as in "it's a tank of a vehicle" or anything similar, she said the word tank as in the huge and heavily armored tracked vehicle with a large turret and main cannon on top. Gunray calling that ship a cruiser is exactly the same as Cortez calling that truck a tank.
Love using the cutaway books as sources.
Referencing marauder shields.. quality human u are.
I am far too modest to call myself a biotic god, but if people start using that I wouldn't be bothered, Earth-clan. -DZ
30:47 the langauge translated to english in middle earth is called westron, nicknamed the common tongue or common speech. Not just common (nitpick I know).
Thank you! That sounds familiar now that you mention it. Clearly, my knowledge of LotR is a bit limited. Let's just say I've watched the movies more often than I've read the books. -DZ
in Middle Earth the common language is named Westron
14:25 The OFFICIAL length is 160 meters, but thr Dark Forces level inside of it is already 240ish meters just for the inhabited sections, and up to the middle section where the Moldy Crow is docked about halfway up the ship. However the scale of the Crow to the outside does not match how huge it is inside, and the interior layout makes little sense for a starship because it's designed for interesting gameplay.
Someone should test your hypothesis and make a cut of Episode I where Jar-Jar speaks gunganese. I’d watch that.
It's kinda weird that Ben Burtt developed a language that didn't end up in the film. Was it originally planned to have Gungans speak their language?
If I had to cover in the lore for the discrepancies of cruiser classification, I'd probably redefine the standard to be different for unarmed civilian craft. Ay ship designed to carry a group of people would be classed as a 'shuttle', and a larger ship like the Radiant 7 would be a 'cruiser shuttle', which would then be colloquially shortened to 'cruiser' by most people. The cruiser shuttle would then be anything from a diplomatic barge to a luxurious space yacht.
When Mon Cals spoke English…er, Basic…in RotJ that was the downfall of the mystique and charm behind aliens in Star Wars. Jar Jar being mostly unintelligible to the audience would indeed have endeared him to the fans instead of angering them for generations.
I figured the Mon Cal in the Rebel Alliance would have to learn Basic at some point to communicate effectively with the rest of the fleet, since passing every conversation through a protocol droid interpreter would impact their efficiency in battle.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith it seems to me that the few humans (mostly alderaanians it seems) could have learned to at least understand a groovy Mon cal fishy language rather than expecting 5 times (or more) Mon cal crew members to learn basic. But then they probably already knew it, but forcing them to try to speak it…that’s just oppression.
@@russellharrell2747 Maybe the Empire was right about a few things after all.
@@isaacvizas2343 Yoda speaking an alien language wouldn’t have worked for the audience. He needed to be far more accessible due to the heavy force stuff he was handing down. All his dialogue as subtitles would have weighed down the Dagobah scenes to the point of being unbearable for most folks.
@@FriendlyDarkwraith wait. Are you implying that the Empire was….xenophobic? Surely not!
The Light and Magic series goes into a bit of detail about the Tantive IV. It was originally supposed to be the Millennium Falcon, but was too similar to the Space 1999 Eagle, so the only things that were salvaged were the cockpit front and the radar dish. After several iterations, Joe Johnston came up with a dish concept, added the engine and front parts to give it direction... and placed the cockpit off to the side to emulate a right hand drive car and the dish was on the opposite side to balance it out. It just goes to show that much of the tech specs were reverse engineered to make sense after the fact. The MF cockpit was never a detachable escape pod. Given that the only thought given to these kitbashing models was that they looked functional on camera, arguments regarding the Tantive IV's multi-engine vector maneuvering are moot. The ships designs were originally chosen for on-screen aesthetic value, not functionality and technical manual specs are just made-up.
No f'ing way, Connor O'Malley cameo 😂
my main issue with the gungans is that they're notably powerful as a military faction and it never seems to be acknowledged by anyone
Part 1: I don't think the criticism is that taxation was a bat motive or that it was bad to show the senate. But it was the execution that was the problem.
Taxation is fine, but there was a video (I believe it was RLM) which went into: why was THIS the problem? Why was the trade federation secretly blockading Naboo? Who set the taxes? Why? Why did the federation think that Naboo was the right target? Why a blockade instead of an embargo or boycott? Why NOT involve the Republic?
There are 30 seconds in Episode IV devoted to politics. This is sandwiched between arguments on how powerful the Death Star is. It is a very tight piece of exposition that ends with "Fear will keep the local systems in line." There are at least 4 minutes in TPM specifically devoted to the senate hearing (including preparations for the hearing and the hearing itself). The conference room in Episode IV shows the motive and means the Empire has to destroy a planet. It creates the tension and suspense that drives the plot forward. The Senate Hearing bogs the plot down, especially because it doesn't really go anywhere.
I've long been of the opinion that TPM shouldn't even have been a movie. We should have started with something much closer to Attack of the Clones. Episode IV starts with the Death Star being revealed and ends with it being destroyed. ESB starts with Vader's hunt for Luke and ends with their battle. RotJ is a bit messy, but it wraps up the arcs of Han and Jabba, Luke and Vader, and the Rebellion and the Empire. TPM has the major plot points in the middle - Anikan being discovered and Palpatine gaining power. The action in the movie has very little do with either of them.
I can help you with the naming issue. Cruiser does not mean it is a ship focused on speed. It's an explanation of their role, cruising. Ships which can be long at sea unsupported. That description is also used in many non-military ship descriptions.
Also, because many nations have different ideas about naval warfare ship classifications are descriptive, not prescriptive. For example in the cold war new ships designed to maximize missiles carried were refered to as both missile cruisers and missile carriers, and these are both acceptable and would be considered correct. What is important is that you use the words to describe the function of the ship.
Cruisers cruise.
Destroyers destroy small targets that threaten the fleet.
Carriers carry other platforms (submarine carriers used to exist also)
Battleships make up the line of battle.
The shapes and sizes are incidental to these functions.
31:00 I indeed watched the movies in italian, wasn't expecting that
Always love hearing about things like that. It's always been a hypothetical scenario to me, I loved the idea that the translation still works when there's no English. Picking Italian was mostly at random, but I wanted a language where I could be sure Star Wars had been translated. -DZ
BTW the Captain of the Radiant VII was a lady with short hair named Maoi Madakor
Don't mind me, just watering the algorithm
Imperial ships have a military focus in all things, including classifications. The prequal ships that ar being called cruisers are likely using a different classification system.
SW is also a bit odd in that they sometimes only list one Shift/watch vs all three to four of them 2hen listing crews.
Wet navy crusisers prioritise range, and then speed, and then firepower IIRC.
I feel like cruiser is kind of a wide term, also perhaps this ship is made as a cruiser but was turned into a diplomatic ship, we do see ships like this one in the clone wars just with guns instead of dishes
Anyone else catch the "Let's start at the beginning, a very good place to start"... ripped right out of The Sound Of Music song "Doe A Deer"? Thievery!!!! 😂 Copyright is one of my favorite things lol
It can't be that obscure a reference, right? Someone else might've noticed, but you certainly get points for being the first to mention it. -DZ
Uh, the escape pod on the Falcon/1300 is definitely not the cockpit. The Falcon doesnt have its escape pod anymore. It was in the center of the prongs and was jettisoned during the Solo movie.
Some real world things get funny messed up classifications. Many US army weapons are "mislabeled".
Maybe non combat ships have different classifications. The republic cruiser isn't necessarily military. It's for transportation, and in this case for transporting political officials. Maybe the classification for that type of ship is different
[libationes deis algorithmi]
What is the name of the song in the intro?
As a non-native english speaker, Jar Jar was already unintelligible to me as a kid 😂
I like your idea for JarJar but the Darth Darth reveal would _not_ be cringe, it would be freaking awesome
What IS that opening music? Dig you, man. thanks
We really appreciate it! The song from the opening is Alla Pugacheva - Arlekino (Geoffrey Day Remix). -DZ
what's the intro song called!
I have always thought that the pilot on the Radiant 7 was a woman.
Edit: I could have waited 15 more seconds and just felt better about myself.
Bread Circus upload? Is it Christmas already?!?
Close, Easter actually.
@@mikedrop4421 Happy Easter everyone
You do confuse me a bit, you say WEG is wrong about the CR90 because the measurements don't match the in movie models, but that the 8km Super Star Destroyer number that West End Games gave us is more accurate than the 17.6 and 12km calculated lengths from the films in one hand and the actual filming models in the other. Or the 19km that Lucasfilm later switched to.