Dune (1984) A History and Honest Retrospective
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2023
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12:14 - The History of Dune the Motion Picture 30:10 - An Honest Evaluation 47:09 - Conclusion
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David Lynch please take the footage of Dune a make a director’s version!
It’s been almost 40 years, does those footage even exist now?
New footage was released on a DVD about 15 years ago
I doubt it’ll happen
You can watch the SpiceDiver Extended Redux version ( 3 hours long ) on CZcams. It's a much more satisfying presentation. It elevated my impression of the film from a 6.5 to a 9
The Spicediver edit puts so much back. Watch it if you haven't.
Yes.
After seeing both parts of Denis Villeneuve's adaptation I have to say despite it's flaws the Lynch version is the closest to the spirit of the book. The Spicediver edit is a window to a much more accomplished film. The latest deleted scene discovery with Alia makes me wonder how much was filmed and is waiting to be found.
IDK about that. The 1984 movie flipped the script and made Paul an actual hero, and gave him godlike powers. I do love the 1984 adaptation for what it is, but completely reversing the point of the book is a bit of a problem for me.
I still maintain that with some minor tweaks and more runtime, Lynch’s Dune could’ve been the bomb. Lynch’s Dune could’ve been better than Villanuve’s new adaptation. And I say this after having watched both of the new films in IMAX at the theater.
I concur.
Lynch’s version captured the drugy aspect and the conscious expanding concepts in a wonderful way, I think. And that is what left me kinda flat about the new adaptation, no weirdness
I like the weirding modules. Remember Paul says to the Fremen that they are part of the weirding way he will teach them? Lynch explains it as him trying to avoid doing Kung Fu in the desert in wetsuits. I see it as The Voice but augmented with machinery. Lady Jessica teaching Bene Gesserit secrets to her husband's army and her son teaching it to the Fremen.
A sonic technology that takes your voice and amplifies it to the point of incredible damaging potential is legit cool as hell. This actually does potentially fit into the dune universe since it does not require any AI technology, they actually make technology that is meant to enhance human potential all the time. This is a 10,000 plus years saga so it probably was an actual thing at some point.
The raining thing isn't in the screenplay. It is meant to end with Paul having a vision that will touch on that future but.... Dino.
The style is amazing. I wish the new dune ripped all the style off the old Dune.
I was 15 when it came out and remember the pamphlets, lol. I thought it was fine. Thing is, in the 80s as a teen I watched so many terrible, schlocky sci-fi and fantasy movies that Dune was really one of the better ones all in all. It's a mess for sure, and it typifies the flawed masterpiece, but I've always loved it. The production design is classic Lynch, and some of the scenes are legit iconic.
I was 10 when I 1st saw it in 1986. It was the summer and I was up til 4am watching this thing after Aliens and Conan the Destroyer. When it was finally ending and the sister made that last statement and the music started blasting and then it started raining, I've never been so locked into a movie after such a chaotic start. What an experience! I had to learn about a new world with a story that wasn't waiting for audience comprehension. I love the dialogue above all and the music. I find Lynch's Dune to be better than the new adaptation and the entire Sar Wars universe..And in 50 yrs it'll be talked about the way the Godfather is today, except Dune will deserve it. Dune is the whole point of cinema.
The pyramid in Prometheus is definitely castle Harkhonnen from Giger's design work for Dune. It's not a vague nod. It's essentially the same design.
In fairness, I should say I say the film in the theater in 1984, when I was just 12. I had not yet read the novel. *And,* nevertheless, I for one understood it just fine. And I was a fan of it, and still am. Yes it had flaws. But it had plenty of merits also. The casting. The soundtrack. The sets, cinematography, and yes the guild navigator. I loved the weirding modules, without which it doesn't make sense how the Fremen freed themselves from oppression; dude, the "guns" were absolutely necessary!. I loved how the body shields worked as well. The costuming and the lighting were spot on. Basically, despite its flaws and shortcomings, this movie got a lot more right than wrong. ... If only David Lynch had *full* and total, complete creative control, esp. final cut / edit.
the main probs with davey boy's dune, is that it shuldve been three movies and it shouldve been marketed as a trippy adult sci fi drama.
Great video, weird to find someone who agrees with my thoughts on David Lynch's Dune so completely.
I was a Dune fan so Lynch wasn't a concern seeing the movie but I could see an arthouse directors hand in the final product for all his protestations since. As far as Dune fan was concerned I was just happy to see something up on the screen but it fell far short of the book. It was like they did the first couple of chapters really well but that was about 3/4's of the movie and then they just shot through the rest of the story in the final quarter. What saved it was the set design, the cast, the music and the feel of the place. It was a baroque future which was such a change from the white sterility of Star Wars and by extension every other sci-fi movie since it had come out. The good guys were monumental, the baddies were corrupt and crazy, it was great like a movie about a prophecy should be. The galaxy Lynch created was self contained and everything fit so if someone had come along and chopped up what I did to fit their own vision I wouldn't be pleased but as a professional I've done my job, what they do with it is their concern, said fck'em and moved on. I think that's what Lynch did and it was only the negative reception that made him distance himself from the movie. Still I enjoy the film and have no problems putting it next to the new adaptation which is altogether a far more serious effort even when I agree with Harlan Ellison that Dune is unfilmable but still exists on a galaxy spanning saga in my imagination.
Dino De Laurentiis was going bankrupt and couldn't afford to complete what was supposed to be a 5 hour long film. Many SFX scenes were placeholders with title cards like "SANDWORM" so it would have needed more money that didn't exist to complete its original vision. However, Lynch who had written the screenplay was flexible and rewrote it to fit the reduced vision and budget. That is why it rains at the end. Everything is expedited, but it isn't incomprehensible. He was told the maximum length it could be to ensure the full set of showings in a cinema per day. This is two hours and seventeen minutes, then you have the clean up crew in to sweep up the popcorn and you have another showing. Go over this and you have to sacrifice a whole showing. He condensed the movie and it ended up... two hours and seventeen minutes long with titles. This probably explains why Virginia Madsen is doing a bit of clumsy overlong exposition at the beginning rather than this being "Show don't tell" screenwriting. I don't mind this (she is 5x more beautiful than Florence Pugh in my humble opinion and a better actress), but starting off with an exposition dump may have put people off the movie, although no one has issues with _Star Wars_ and its slow text crawl which was stolen from the 1930s _Flash Gordon_ serial. I have not seen it established whether the internal monologues being voice over was a technique used to compress the narrative. I don't have an issue with this either. I would rate it 8/10 and the new versions 6/10 and 7/10 respectively for _Part One_ and _Part Two._ My main problem with the new ones is that I don't care about any of the characters, even those I initially like are either killed off early or turn evil. Also, it doesn't help that the sets all share the same brutalist architectural style so you don't feel you are on Caladan or Arrakis or Giedi Prime or Kaitian just by the look of it. The set of the Imperial Throne Room in the 1984 version is probably the best constructed set in any movie, we do not even get to see CHOAM threaten the Emperor in this modern version.
As Dune really began as a serial, I thought the mistake has been to make it into movies at all. It really should’ve been a series all along, somewhat like in the fashion of Game of Thrones. Only as a serial would there have been time to flush out the nuances that any film is going to miss. Perhaps going full circle to its origins
I really like Dune 1984 as well.
Lynch Genius remember when it came out I was 9 years old and it gave me nightmares for years I love it now and have done for years! DON'T SHIT ON TOLKIEN
As an 80s kid growing up and watching the original version and extended version, I still enjoy this movie immensely. I watched the 2021 and 2024 version of Dune. and thought it wasI don't get the disdain for the 84 movie. I don't think it strayed that far from the novel.
I have always LOVED Dune 1984. I tried to read the book but decided to just watch the movie. EXCEPT, I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IT. Ive seen it over and over through the years and I didnt understand it until I watched the new Dune. But I loved it as it was beautiful to watch.
Holy crap, how do I find people like you in real life?
It’s a lonely world with nobody to talk to about films like this
OMG YOU FINISHED THE VIDEO!!!!!! IM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!! i can already tell the whole video will be so sick
I wonder how many fans of Lynch's Dune have watched the new one? So far I've avoided it because I just can't imagine it being anywhere near as good this.
I, to be fair, watched the new one before Lynch's Dune and adore it even more but if you do ever get around to watching it wait for part 2 to come out so you can watch it all together.
Dune is frank Herbert's first and foremost not Lynch , Harrison or Villeneuve. Should check all of them out but I understand if it's only through David Lynch's filmmaking style would U enjoy the story then I get that too but if U only really know dune through Lynch maybe should read the novel it's awesome in its own right. But if Ur only a Lynch fan only like his style of films then U won't like any other adaptation of the story cuz it's more Lynch's style than dunes story but all good just try and check them out with an open mind. All of them have something special but the best is the dune saga in the 6 novels by Frank Herbert. The universes n everything built upon by science and in our reality not fantasy.
You should watch the new one. I am a pretty big fan of Dune 1984. The new one has a few flaws itself, but it is very interesting. I really want to see the 2nd half.
I always thought that Sting should have played Paul Atreides because Kyle MacLachlan was rather bland but seemed to be the leading man of the moment in 1984.
Thank god you weren't the casting director.
As a fan of Pink Floyd and not the biggest fan of Toto I must say that I think they were actually the best fit for Dune and their soundtrack is absolutely and easily the best part of Lynch's adaptation. They are actually better musicians than Pink Floyd in general honestly. They are far more versatile than you would think from their more popular songs. This soundtrack proves how absolutely professional they are as a band.
Wonderful video/ thanks.
First watch, hated it. Second watch, got high as heck. Loved it. Still Could not tell you what it was about after.
Honestly the best way to watch it lol let the spice flow as they say
Coppola's Dracula is no way book accurate either. It's as divergent from the book as the Lugosi and Lee versions just differently.
I loved the book well before the movie. I was so excited for the movie and saw it in the theater. I was so disappointed with it in certain ways (as it totally misses the message about not trusting charismatic leaders - and it can't rain on Arrakis if you want to continue having Spice). But. It's visually stunning, it's relatively book accurate, the weirding machines were a great way to deal with the Voice, and the costumes, makeup, and score are glorious. Overall, I love it, particularly the four hour version, and most especially the Spicediver version, and will happily re-watch it.
I find the Villenueve version cold, bland, and with waaaay more, in my opinion unnecessary, changes to basic plot points. Also, it takes a story that is full of dialogue and makes it all but wordless. Honestly, I prefer the Lynch version.
The voiceover was in the book.
I know but it doesn't translate to film in this instance, it is way too long and direct and feels like it's talking to you the audience instead of you reading an in-universe history. Could've worked some what better if they had shortened it and then sprinkled in more of the voice-over throughout the film like the book does at the start of each chapter. As is it feels out of place and lazy. But it's still not too bad.
@@MGraweyFilms That is what most people say, but I am just letting everyone know that Lynch was fateful to the book. Allot of the dialogue is taken directly as well. I have not seen Dune Part 2 - but I hope Villeneuve will have more guts to use the dialogue from the book.
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The acting was honestly ridiculous to me. I read the book and understood what was going on a conceptual level but the acting and voiceover was just insane.
Burton's wonka is not in anyway book accurate. Very weird choice of illustration there. Wonka was based on Spike Milligan not Michael Jackson for example.
It was good because I was 17 and it was all we had at the time. It wasn't perfect but at least they tried.
Cannes is pronounced without the S
Giger rhymes with eager
Nothing wrong with liking a terrible film. I enjoy Waterworld. Not even ironically.
Haha yeah Westworld totally falls into the category of fun that this is
He's version of Dune can still be animated if if
lol 1:48 is weirdly put whats the problem with that if she agrees to do the scene
She specifically commented in an interview that it was a traumatic experience to film and I was more saying that it was just icky anyway not that it was inherently morally wrong
@@MGraweyFilms where did she say that? i havent seen before. sure it’s “icky,” whatever, a lot of victims of rape simulate rape as a form of “therapy” how about the original claim jodorowsky made that he actually raped the woman though. that’s actively evil. even to claim for shock value.
There's no direct quote from her that I could find but according to the research I did she was not in a good place and got essentially manipulated into agreeing to do the scene.
But yes that also is horrible but I was trying to not spend as much time on Jodorowsky as he wasn't really the focus of the video just an important piece of its history and the goal of the video. I could do a much longer one on the stuff he's done and the moral complexity of it. I actually realized the statement I made came off a little harsh in the script read which is why I put a card on the screen saying that I wasn't making an accusation or anything just that it was kind not a great thing to do in my opinion especially as someone in the power position like director.
I disagree with your harsh criticism of Jodorowsky’s Dune. I do think it was a very inspired pre-production and if it got made, could have been a very interesting film (albeit not a faithful adaptation). The sheer scale and ambition of the projected film, paired with Jodorowsky’s talents as an “auteur filmmaker” would have produced a very memorable and awesome movie. The problem is that Jodorowsky is no Stanley Kubrick, Jodorowsky is not at all practical and was not the kind of filmmaker studios would trust with millions of dollars because they believed in his filmmaking abilities. Kubrick’s films made tons of money despite being artsy, Jodorowsky’s films did not make a ton of money but were underground cult classics. I think the biggest fault of Jodorowsky was he was unwilling to compromise and be practical with Dune, otherwise he could have realized his vision.
He lost me when he started saying his project was divine and saying that even though it didn't get made he was pretty much responsible for all sci-fi to follow. Also he sucks. The movie could've been fine who knows.
to paraphrase what robot Gir said to Invader Zim: "I'm gonna sing the DUNE song!
Dune, dune, dune.... duney duney duney... The end!" LOL
I was an adult in the 80s and dealt with some really stupid movies. Goonies, Howard the Duck, The second Indiana Jones gore fest with the kid and the heart ripping scenes. What these movie makers were trying to do back then was appeal to adolescent boys who were being left at the mall theaters by their parents with a little spending money to hit the arcades and hang out with their friends. I never saw this "Dune" as a 28 year old. I found much of the 80s underscored by gore for shock value and I am surprised that David Lynch allowed the gross factor to the extent that he did. There is a way to show violence, and like depicted sex, it is much better done in the way the movie, Gladiator approached it. Joachim Phoenix in that movie was the wannabe incestuous villain that Baron Harkonnen could have been and not a cartoon.
Yep that was pretty bad . Incredible talents and nearlya diffent story it was sso inaccurate . Dali did the backgrounds , the actors were great, and still he messed up.
The lightning commentary was in my opinion, inaccurate. Greg Fraser photography, while more naturalistic, its gorgeous both in night and day
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Many such cases 😞
I’m so glad Joderwosky never made Dune! The guys a total creep!
Now that a decent version of _Dune_ has been made, I want to forget the Lynch version ever existed.
You keep saying Goofy. Point to the Goofy.
I'm a fan of Lynch's movie, can't say I really liked the new movies. Very bland.
I really wish breaking movies into 2 parts was in vogue in 1984. Pacing is what crippled Dune. A slow first half and a very very rushed second half.
If you like this movie, you have bad taste. "The second half borderline unwatchable." And that's from someone who *liked* Dune (1984)
I just don’t understand how you can read and understand the book and think this movie is good. 🤷♂️
They're different pieces of art that you don't have to compare 🤷🏼♂️
Jodorowsky's dune would have sucked ass.