Dune Book vs Movie🪐🪱

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024

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  • @WhytheBookWins
    @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

    my book vs movie for DUNE PART TWO is up! link in this description!

  • @Emelia39
    @Emelia39 Před 6 měsíci +20

    I just started reading Sabers of Paradise by Leslie Blanch, which inspired Dune. It's a nonfiction book about Imam Shamyl, a Daghestani leader who led a war against the Russian empire in the 19th century. I didn't realize how much Herbert pulled from this book. E.g. The secret hunting language, the crysknife (called a kindjal and they used to say to their opponent "may thy kindjal rust" similar to "may thy knife chip and shatter"), the part about the women fighting as well as the men and throwing their babies at the enemy (and this is just in the first couple of chapters).

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Oh wow! I should check that out. Thanks for sharing!

    • @Emelia39
      @Emelia39 Před 6 měsíci

      It’s really interesting! It’s a bit dated in the language and attitudes in it but there’s so many good stories in it that it’s worth at least looking through. One of the more wild ones was that Caucasian leaders would hunt Russian soldiers with cheetahs that would sit on the back of their horses. I thought it was an exaggeration but there are actual paintings of Khans riding with cheetahs on the backs of the horses.

    • @ZemplinTemplar
      @ZemplinTemplar Před 6 měsíci

      Besides the crysknives of the Fremen, the Dune setting does also have kindjals as common melee weapons. Duncan uses them regularly in knife-fighting. Bigger double-edged daggers with a smaller guard, of Caucasus origin.

  • @josephnizolek3975
    @josephnizolek3975 Před 6 měsíci +7

    In trailer for Part Two, I enjoy seeing Princess Irualan doing some narration like in the novel

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Oh cool! Yeah I'm excited for the additions of Pugh, Butler, and Walken!

  • @greysongreyhater7667
    @greysongreyhater7667 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Excellent commentary on the novel versus Denis' movie, and I certainly agree with 95% of what you mention. I'm quite amazed at how wonderfully you handled this.
    On a side note: I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about a small sentence early in the novel and an early Irulan writing at a header that Paul never had any childhood playmates or friends! Wow, what does that do to a child? Anyway, I'll be interested in your comparison of Dune Part 2 and the novel.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Glad you liked my breakdown! And yeah I remember that! Even with having adult friends, not having fellow child friends would definitely make an impact

  • @InktoFilm
    @InktoFilm Před 6 měsíci +2

    Such a great breakdown, Laura! Seriously, it’s a big plot with a ton of moving parts, not an easy one to make a concise video about. I’m so excited that you’re also covering Dune, gives me an excuse to revisit part one 🪱
    Part Two soon!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you so much! So excited for Part Two 😁

  • @Droxal
    @Droxal Před 6 měsíci +4

    I think Part 1 was missing out on a lot of context because it didn't have enough screen time (I wish we could get an extended cut).
    I also feel that the Jamis battle lacked any emotional weight. It just kinda came out of nowhere. Honestly that was the only part of the movie I kinda disliked.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah everything involving Jamis was better in the book. But even with that, and the details that were cut, it's still a great movie! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

  • @1183newman
    @1183newman Před 6 měsíci +3

    You should give the scifi miniseries a go, whilst it isnt very high production it is more faithful to the novel than any other adaptation.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +4

      I'm on the third book now and will be watching the series once I finish it! And I'll make a video sharing my thoughts 😊

  • @MandyRoeske
    @MandyRoeske Před 6 měsíci +2

    I just watched Dune Part 2 yesterday and I can't wait for your review of it versus the book. You will have a LOT to talk about!

  • @Kaiyanwang82
    @Kaiyanwang82 Před 4 měsíci +1

    20:35 I would add that the Atreides are the most moral of the noble houses but they aren't kind just because of their noble heart, they have a strong "PR department" so to speak. Many good gestures are calculated (but then again, they could get away not doing things that they do anyway).
    Of course, in any case, always better than the alternatives.

  • @havocmaverick
    @havocmaverick Před 6 měsíci +2

    Frank Herbert was not very happy about starwars and the many coincidences between the two.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah not surprising! Glad these new Dune movies are helping him get more recognition.

  • @phoebeandem8015
    @phoebeandem8015 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I LOVE Dune!! Excitedly awaiting part 2, but I admit, you explained some things about Dune 1, that I didn't know or couldn't understand. Thank you.

  • @hwinoree2257
    @hwinoree2257 Před 6 měsíci +1

    So, Frank Herbert was incredibly upset with Lucas ripping of Dune and was planning to sue him. He eventually changed his mind after Tim O'Reilly convinced him not to sue.

  • @B-Blues
    @B-Blues Před 5 měsíci

    Just finished reading part one of the book after having seen both of the movies. I personally like the book more so far. I like information-gathering and complex theories and stories, so the book hits the spot. The movies in comparison literally feel like I'm dreaming the book. The atmosphere, the music, the mystical visions, and the sparse dialogue, the details and events being a little bit out of order, etc. I honestly wonder if that is what the director was going for when adapting the book to film--dreaming the books.

  • @occasionalgoldfish
    @occasionalgoldfish Před 6 měsíci +3

    I love Dune! I rarely re-read books, but I always come back to Dune every year or so! I enjoyed the film, but there's so much in the book that I wish was in the film. But I know not everything could be included without it being 10 hours long... 😅
    Also, The David Lynch Dune gets too much hate! It's not as bad as people make out, but it is also very, very clear when they ran out of money. 😂

    • @occasionalgoldfish
      @occasionalgoldfish Před 6 měsíci

      Sorry to spam, but Jamis' "funeral" in the book is so powerful. I hope that's included in the second film!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      You must be an expert on the book then! I'm worried I didn't do the book justice here because I'm sure they're were details I didn't even catch.
      Glad to hear how much you loved the Jamis funeral as well!
      And I watched the Lynch Dune last night, my video about it will be out in the next few days! But for now, all I'll say is, they really went all out making the Baron disgusting lol

  • @ragingtomato04
    @ragingtomato04 Před 6 měsíci

    You didn't mention the dinner party. It's one of my favorite scene in the books. It just explains so much stuff that are going on about arrakis and the characters. But I get why they cut it, because it's probably the hardest thing to adapt in the book.

  • @terrilltops3421
    @terrilltops3421 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Wow! You knocked this video “out of the park.”

  • @rowenatulley852
    @rowenatulley852 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Dune is my absolute favorite book! I enjoyed the Sci-Fi channel's Dune movies, but I haven't checked out the new ones . . .

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +2

      You definitely should! I don't think you'll be disappointed 😊

  • @evanm6756
    @evanm6756 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Awesome video! I reccomend you keep going after the first 3 books. One of my favorited is god emperor of dune the fourth book!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah I've heard great things about the fourth! So I definitely plan on reading that one. My brother told me the fifth and sixth aren't worth reading though.

    • @evanm6756
      @evanm6756 Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWins I stopped at the fourth! I have not read past that point! Excited to see your part 2 video and analysis!

  • @BigMike246
    @BigMike246 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him. May His passage cleanse the world. May He keep the world for His people.
    I still get the chills when Kynes mutters the prayer.
    Great essay, I love your observations. If I tried to do something like this video I would be all over the place.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yes! That is also a great part. I loved Kynes.
      And thank you so much! I write it all out first in order to help keep me at least somewhat organized while filming lol

  • @bloatus7611
    @bloatus7611 Před 6 měsíci

    17:10 I think it's interesting. In the film, Yueh says to the Baron that he wants to release her from her agony and he could join her. That to me read like he resigned to die as long as he knew that this meant she was also dead. Very specific wording for how it was shown to us that the Baron likes to do monkey paw deals.
    I was really bummed about the Thufir Hawat stuff because I love that actor and would've loved to see him spar with Jessica lol.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah very true about Yeuh! And agreed, I sold have loved a version of Dune Two that was a bit longer and included Hawat and Fenring!

    • @bloatus7611
      @bloatus7611 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@WhytheBookWins Agreed which is why Villeneuve's 'no deleted scenes' stance is not only frustrating but straight up annoying. Because it's been confirmed that he shot this stuff but doesn't want to release it.
      Also, this is an aside but this is my first video of yours I've watched not on my phone since binging your channel and I was struck by how green your eyes are!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      @bloatus7611 yeah I read his quote about deleted scenes! I can see his point, but I hope you releases them at some point!
      And thanks!

  • @Giorgio_Armani95
    @Giorgio_Armani95 Před 5 měsíci

    I’ve watched part one & two multiple times this year & I absolutely love it. I’m halfway through the Dune book & lol shocker I love it too.

  • @karolnicks-suber3814
    @karolnicks-suber3814 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Excellent job. I am a big fan of the Frank Herbert Dune novels and was hella excited when it was announced that they were doing another Dune movie. Like you I agree that the 2021-2024 movies are visually stunning and follow the book pretty closely. However, one thing I do appreciate about the David Lynch movie, is that a lot more exposition was done around the economics of spice. Lynch never lets the audience forget that the entire motivation driving the political intrigue in this world is the Spice Melange as the oil that keeps the wheels of this fictional universe turning. In the 2021 film, there is barely a vague mention by the Emperor’s envoy and the Baron. The other aspect of the Lynne film that was vitally important is his exposition around the importance of the Guild as a major manipulative force diving the dangerous politics in this world, along with the bene gesserit sisterhood. I was massively disappointed that the role of the guild was virtually omitted from the Denis Villeneuve film. To me the Guild and its navigators, are one of the most captivating players in this universe. I hope we see them featured more in the next film. Does anyone else out there have any thoughts about this, if so I would love to know what you think. I would also hope that the Thufir Hawat storyline is included. Having said all of this. Dune Two might be the most visually spectacular sequel to a film I have ever seen. Thanks for your content, I really enjoyed it!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Glad you liked the video! My part two video will be up tomorrow or Wednesday (currently editing) and it I touch on a couple of these things! Like the new movie not showing the power of spice more and also cutting a lot of the politics. The guild navigators play a big role in the second book so I really hope we get to see them in the Dune messiah movie!

  • @KennethKaniff999
    @KennethKaniff999 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video, also, nice hair and shirt btw.
    Something you made me think of when talking about Jamis challenging Jessica and Paul, i think Jamis was such a religious zealot that he could see through the BS and see how they didnt quite fit the prophecy. Which is ironic because his beliefs were planted by the bene gesserit and should be serving Jessica. I might be misremembering this.

  • @RandallGriffithLCSW
    @RandallGriffithLCSW Před 6 měsíci

    Great review! One of these days, it would be so interesting for you to share how us mere mortals can keep up with these books with massive plots and countless characters like you do. It must be a process that you can get a patent on!

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you so much!! Some books it takes more work than others lol

  • @mayurmadiwalar8978
    @mayurmadiwalar8978 Před 6 měsíci

    question- why does paul keep having dreams about specifically chani?

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      He dreams of potential futures, and she is a big part of his future.

  • @felicialeann547
    @felicialeann547 Před 6 měsíci

    I cant figure out which book to read.... I keep seeing several different versions and i cant find a list of the books, in order.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Dune, Dune Messiah, then Children of Dune are the first three. The two movies Dune and Dune Part Two are adaptations of just the first book

  • @hotmonkeyfilms
    @hotmonkeyfilms Před 6 měsíci

    Very Impressive breakdown of both movie and book.
    44:00 I thought you were hit by a Hunter / Seeker!

  • @xen0bia
    @xen0bia Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bene Gesserit aren't really witches as that would imply the use of supernatural powers which isn't what they do. Every Bene Gesserit ability is peak human skills, having learned to control their bodies down to the thinniest atom, to perceive and "read" people, to change the chimical composition of poisons in their body, and to project pinpoint voice commands that instill ideas in another's person mind, etc. Just like Mentats are also peak human skills in information gathering and retention. This is all a result of the Butlerian Jihad, and subsequent ban of all artificial intelligence. It was determined that the human body needed to be taken to its absolute limits, to achieve complete mastery over it, in order to essentially become the ultimate "thinking machine", to make up for forbidden AI technologies. That philosophy birthed the Bene Gesserit, the Mentat and the Navigators.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you! You did a great job clarifying and explaining their skills! The Benna Gesserit also use melange to heighten their abilities, right? Or is that the Reverand Mother's only?

    • @xen0bia
      @xen0bia Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWins Hmm, I don't recall that being the case (though that might just be my memory), but the Navigators are essentially permanently soaking in spice gas, which is what give them their prescience powers and the ability to see the safest path through the stars. You'll encounter one reading Dune Messiah. They've become wierd mutated fish people. In the David Lynch movie, they are even more grotesque looking... I think, in Dune Part 1 at least, we only see Guild representative wearing these dome helmet that appear to be filled with spice gas too, but not a senior Navigator.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      @xen0bia yeah I've started Dune Messiah and recently watched the 84 Dune- the navigators are really something in that movie lol

    • @sablevo
      @sablevo Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWins I seem to recall only the Reverend Mothers do the concentrated stuff, and only to awaken their ancestral memory. Otherwise it's just the same life extending and other therapeutic use others use.
      The Mentats and non-reliance on computers is more of technophobia. Part of the back story is that AI took over the civilisation thousands of years before until they were overthrown in the Butlerian Jihad. So a lot of the technologies are biological based: Bene Gesserit body control, spice spiked Navigators, Bene Tleilaxu geneticists.

  • @HappyOrangeCat
    @HappyOrangeCat Před 6 měsíci

    Did seeing the movie first help you get through the book? I tried reading Dune a few years ago, and the writing was too dense-world-building fantasy/sci-fi for me. I'm still interested though.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Yeah, since I'm not used to reading fantasy I do think the movie held me visualize it. I would also not recommend the audiobook, I started out that way and could not follow what was happening lol.

  • @Tomurow
    @Tomurow Před 6 měsíci

    I love both but one of the criticisms is that Frank H. renders the villains in a rather simplistic way common to 1960s sci-fi. True, but I think they serve a purpose and illustrate how this strata of humanity has evolved to be so unfeeling and ruthless. Dune is, after all, about a vision of mankind at extremes.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yeah that's true, usually I really dislike when villains are written in such a simplistic way but I think because this is a fantasy book I didn't notice it. With literary fiction I want characters that feel like real people, but with this I went in not expecting reality.

    • @KennethKaniff999
      @KennethKaniff999 Před 2 měsíci

      This comment from someone with a donut as a profile pic is just begging for a dunk. Idk why my mind has that mean thought.

    • @Tomurow
      @Tomurow Před 2 měsíci

      @@KennethKaniff999 I just re-read my comment. Sounds like I was trying to be clever. Dunk away! 🤣🍩

    • @KennethKaniff999
      @KennethKaniff999 Před 2 měsíci

      @Tomurow I can't that's so mean. I was assuming you were taking issue with Baron being portrayed as disgustingly fat. Other than that I like how he is smart and doesn't lose in a cheap way. Also, to your point about the depictions of extremes, I could see some ppl having some complaints about how the Fremen are depicted but I agree that it is the point

    • @Tomurow
      @Tomurow Před 2 měsíci

      @@KennethKaniff999 No, quite the opposite, I was actually offering a defense of the portrayal of the villains (in both book and film). The number-one critique often leveled at the book is always that the villains are rather 'flat' or one-dimensional. A potential justification for this is that these various strains of humanity have evolved beyond what we, the reader, would recognise as typically human. Yes, it's a bit of a free pass to Frank H. as this could just as likely be a trope of the era but it is interesting to think about nonetheless. Hope that clears things up.👍

  • @cecilhester
    @cecilhester Před 6 měsíci

    Nice review, Laura. I enjoyed the Dune film adaptation for the cast, world -building, and the epic Hans Zimmer score. I will probably read Dune after I watch Dune Part 2. Take care and have a nice day.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I would definitely recommend the book! I'm so excited for Dune part two 😁

  • @mwsjohn
    @mwsjohn Před 6 měsíci

    Good analysis, it is not easy to remember all the book details, there is so much to remember. I liked the first film, knowing the story took away some of the awe. I expect small changes in both, I just hope we do not lose some important themes. I expect some aspects of the book will not be expanded on until the third film.
    If you like the first book, you will absolutely love the next two. The four book is not really suitable for a film but is a major in depth explanation of the overall goal for mankind controlled by Paul and his son The 5th and 6th book pick up the results of the first 4 books in the far future. The son of Hebert wrote two books to complete the original series but I think he went off at a tangent that his father would not have done, but they suit all the prequel books the son has written, so I understand his motive.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I finished the second one since making this video and will be reading the third one soon!

    • @mwsjohn
      @mwsjohn Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWins The Golden Path. Understand that and you understand it all.

  • @angusmcnay5449
    @angusmcnay5449 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Visceral, soft c, like viscera

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Oh wow haha, for years I've been saying it with a hard c 😬

  • @robyelsewhere5205
    @robyelsewhere5205 Před 6 měsíci

    Had to play the video in the background, those eyes were piercing into my soul and i was getting lost. But awesome video, hope you let us know your thoughts on part 2

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Lol thanks! I will definitely be talking about part two 😁

  • @filmtoppings
    @filmtoppings Před 6 měsíci

    Take a sip every time they say Lisan Al'Gaib

  • @rexflores8461
    @rexflores8461 Před 6 měsíci

    Love you videos

  • @dvdv8197
    @dvdv8197 Před 6 měsíci

    Ah so that title, does it imply that you will ONLY discuss/spoil things that happened thus far in the movie and will not touch on anything that will take place later on/in the second & third movie?
    If that's the case, I can watch this video, but wanna make sure before I do, as I really look forward to seeing part 2 without having been spoiled before. 😊

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      No part two spoilers! There is a section where I get into potential light spoilers near the end, but you can use the time stamps to skip that part

    • @dvdv8197
      @dvdv8197 Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWins ok, thank you very much! ☺️

  • @tr233
    @tr233 Před 6 měsíci

    Dune movie part one and part two are not the same as book and i say it failed , the movie failed.

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Oh wow! I would love to hear why you feel that way!
      (My part two video will be out this Wednesday)

    • @tr233
      @tr233 Před 6 měsíci

      @@WhytheBookWinsthe newest movie adoptation of Dune represent Chany very wrong, the relationship between Paul and Chany were equal and there were no doubts. What we see in the second movie completly different from what you can read in the book, i personally lightly confuesed , the people who make the movie were not devoted to original material its obvious. I hope Dune 3 will never manage to screen.

  • @paulallenk4830
    @paulallenk4830 Před 6 měsíci

    Maybe because it's Valentine's Day and I'm alone and bitter but I had to stop watching after three minutes. Like you I'm not into fantasy but I take it to another level. I despise fantasy. I did like this video because you deserve One Million subscribers. Gotta go....my table for one is waiting for me. Reserved under "Bitter". 🤡

    • @WhytheBookWins
      @WhytheBookWins  Před 6 měsíci

      Sorry this video wasn't your thing! You'll be glad to know that even though I loved Dune, it didn't convert me to fantasy as a whole and I don't plan on covering that genre often lol.