STAR WARS De-Infantilized (It Works)
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We've uploaded the last part in a separate video • FIGHT THE EMPIRE - And...
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:14 Prologue
4:06 Part 1: Bring the 'War' back to 'Star Wars'
9:05 Part 2: Star Wars Before and After Disney
14:05 Part 3: Andor, A New Hope
19:54 A Little Extra!
#starwars #andor #videoessay #scifi - Zábava
May the Fourth be with you!
Thank you all for 2 million views!
Also our new video is out!
Such a great video that i didn’t know i needed.
Cassian getting arrested for something completely unrelated to any of his actual crimes was a great bit of storytelling as a way to show how pervasive and corrupt the Empire really is at a civilian level.
It's what Luthen wanted. He wanted the Empire to Crack down on everyone
really
Yes he said it multiple times. The heist put them over the edge. The passed the Piblic Order Decree which gave them the power to arrest anyone with hardly a reason for it. This is why Cassian was arrested. This kind of thing was exactly the response Luthen wanted. " we need the Empire to help. Oppression breeds rebellion "@laurieocathail2441
"It actually wouldn't be so bad living under the Empire as a Human." Star Wars has needed to quash this notion for a long time.
Yes. And the scene were he tells another prisoner that he was innocent was just met with a dry “Yeah, we see more and more of those” instead of amused doubt, which would have been the traditional way of such a scene going down.
I JUST realised the sound Tie fighters make is maybe DELIBERATELY terrifying to enemies, just like the STUKA dive bomber's sirens in WW2
Star Wars has many resemblances of WWII and other conflicts.
One of my favorite sounds there is. So iconic
What's terrifying about an elephant call, a car driving on wet pavement, and an air conditioner motor though? 😜
I thought it was because George Lucas thought it sounded cool.
It's actually pretty close to the Stuka up to the middle of the sound, it's clearly where it was inspired from.
It’s a miracle that Andor exists, no idea how it got past those Disney executives
It’s like at LEGO something that needs to click. And that something will be money. Adults have money, and money will decide over time, good or bad.
@@syproful I loved Andor series... but unfortunatelly, against your theory, I think it was one of the least successful Star Wars shows, even when the critics have been outstanding...
I thought it could have been the start of a new era of Star Wars, and now I think it worked the other way around... they took the risk, and in terms of money (which is the only thing they'll care) it wasn't the way to go...
Personally, I can't understand why Andor wasn't for children or light focused people, but neither Breaking Bad, however BB was one of the most successful series, while Andor dropped in terms of popularity...
I can't blame on Disney for this, I can only blame Star Wars fans on this... they had the chance to let Disney know what they were doing wrong, and what kind of content is appreciated, and fans wasted the opportunity.
We can't always complain about what Disney does wrong, if we choose to watch content we criticize, and we don't watch the content we're asking for...
@@pedrorigoli4398 that is very unfortunate to hear. The styling and decor were tight. At least that exists. I still watch Band of Brothers once every two years, 20 years later. So we are good.
@@pedrorigoli4398 I feel the same as you minus the disappointment from the fans reaction. At the end we are at fault here as we try to sit on two chairs simultaneously - one is the Star Wars movies and the whole idea there (which we obviously like a lot) and the desire to watch something deeper, more philosophical and provocative if you like. I feel that these two are not destined to bring big money any time soon.
Cause they billed it as being anti Trump
Something weird hit me rewatching: The animated series "Star Wars The Clone Wars" feels more mature than the new series and movies. In tone and themes.
later on, sure but the early episodes didn't give that.
@@KMCA779 yeah, thats commonly agreed on, the show starts getting mature around Season 4 i believe
You guys seriously need to re-watch the show if you think that's true. Apart from the stand-out arcs, it could even be argued that the first couple of seasons are more mature
You all think about those two jar jar episodes and the shitty movie, as well as the rocky animation at times but forget the goated episodes the early seasons contain
You are a child if you think that.
@@kaboose111 “an child” my dude the child is you.
Me watching the bit about Dora: "well that's an odd angle, I guess..."
Dora's map and the sith dagger juxtapose:
"oooh daaaang!"
That was my exact reaction.
All I could hear in my head was, "I'M THE MAP!"
That dagger has to be the worst part of Disney Star Wars.
@@mountainghoti1671 I'M ALL THE MAPS!
@@mountainghoti1671 "Hey, remember Waterworld?"
"That awful 90's turkey?"
"Let's use ideas from it!"
"Can you stand to see the Imperial flag reign across the galaxy?"
"Its not a problem if you don't look up."
I know its just star wars, but dang, that feels like something you'd hear people say during just about any oppressive regime or political thing. People just wanting to live their lives and be left alone. It's something we all feel.
I haven't watched this show, but it really feels like the star wars that i've wanted them to make forever. I might just have to check it out.
It's honestly my favorite Star Wars content outside of the Clone Wars. It's almost perfect on every level
That dialog is from "Rogue One."
Jsyk
@@71Chevelle1989 Honestly, it might be better than The Clone Wars to me. I feel like there are certain parts of The Clone Wars that I like more than Andor, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to skip entire episodes or even arcs on a re-watch of the series. Not so with Andor.
People are talking like it nowadays friend. Thats why andor did so well too.
The Andor compilation at the end was SOOOOO good 🥹
1- this song is incredible.
2- you were born to be an awesome content creator. I love how you’re willing to share this with us all.
"You put a number of options on the table; and they're so wrapped up in choosing, they don't even notice you didn't give them anything they actually wanted!" No truer words have ever been spoken.
Consumer capitalism
Kind of sounds like what the WEF, WHO and our own government give us: choices we never wanted to begin with.
Elections.
Netflix
Parenting
Andor is the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars. It truly made the rebellion real and understandable. It took away the whimsical nature and smacked us with the truth…and I absolutely love it.
100% A mature take on SW.
now we just need the real ewoks . the little terror bears that eat anything that moves
@@ssShockRyderthat would require a new series called "Endor".
Very well put, these were my sentiments exactly.
Andor is so trash lol
The corporate machinery of Disney sees Star Wars merely as an aesthetic, and does not understand that what people loved was the underlying spark of humanity.
What a great video essay! Some of the finest and highest quality content i have seen in a while. Amazing work! You earned my subscription today.
Andor to me was everything I wanted to see in Star Wars for a long time. A darker tone, much more adult than what we've gotten from The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Boba Fett and the Sequel Trilogy. Andor to me is a thinking person's Star Wars, the writers treating us like adults and given us a show written for an adult audience. No gimmicks, gags, cute little humor, etc. Just good writing, dialog and presentation.
Same. Mandalorian was superficial with some cool bits, Boba Fett was really bad, And Ahsoka not seen it but I am not thrilled.
and no stupid baby yoda...
That is something I don't quite understand. Why people expect that movies that were always aimed at young audience will change to be aimed at grown ups? I had fun watching the new Star Wars movies, but I never treated them seriously.
@@jankoodziej877not aimed at young audiences. Aimed at the population at large.
@jankoodziej877 well, they werent originally targeted at kids. It was definitely more of a older kids/young adult vibe until Ep6 went all in on selling to 12 yr olds. I think a lot of the legends stuff and revenge of the sith especially retained a lot of that more mature aspect that the movies focused on less. Especially during the prequel period. If you read star wars novels coming out between 2000-2012, some of those shits are definitely above like a child's level of understanding
Outside of star wars, its VERY common for IPs to mature w their audiences. Batman for example wasnt orginially the "dark and gritty" character we all know him as. For like 30+ years he was a typical, save-the-day, foil the villains good guy. It wasnt til like the 80s that writers started to explore more mature aspects surrounding what he does and his character and psychology. And it happened to stick. And yhat was a trend in the comic industry in the 80s, specifically because the audience that was buying comic books was maturing, and the stories were written to reflect that
I dont think its unreasonable. The prequels present a much grayer, less clear morality than the originals, and that is specifically bc GL wanted it to mature with his audience (while also still making them marketable for kids, yes)
This imo is what leads to things like rogue one/andor and a desire to see more stuff like it
The "Show me, don't tell me." is such an important concept. It is a lesson so many people miss. I think that is what made the Han shot first controversy such a big deal. Greedo shooting first puts Han in a self defense position. Han shooting first confirms his scoundrel character. He is a survivor and isn't above underhanded tricks. It speaks of his moral character and makes his transformation from being out for himself into the guy that saves Luke's bacon and says "You're all clear kid, now let's blow this thing and go home." Seeing the special edition confused me so much. As a kid I clearly remember seeing A New Hope in the theater, not sure what year, I was born in '74. I definitely saw it before Empire came out.
I am and always have been OK with Han being a morally ambiguous character who is in the fight more because the Empire is a threat to his way of life and to the people that he loves than because he's a "good guy."
@@TheRogueX I think in general we are in agreement. His morally ambiguous traits are what made Han a great character. Ben did describe Mos Eisley as a "wretched hive of scum and villainy" and his shooting first just showed he wasn't an exception at the time of chartering the Millennium Falcon. Letting Greedo get the drop on him just seemed out of character to me and diminished his development as a character.
Han didn't shoot because he was a scoundrel, he did it because the other guy was a bounty hunter. He had no intention of being brought in by a bounty hunter. I don't understand why they had to make an issue of self-defense, as just that meeting made him have to act in self-defense. When you are a gambler and the mob sends somebody to either collect from you or dispose of you, there is no real good guy. If it was just a government tax collector and he shot first, well then he was a scoundrel, and then I see them needing to make him feel threatened to try to make him look like a good guy.
star wars is an interesting franchise in the way that one generation can bond with another over the franchise like that. or at least it could, when star wars wasnt butchered.
@@Skitdora2010 it's the whole going back to a fairytale thing. Shooting someone first is not something a hero in a fairytale does. I think people were annoyed that they were trying to turn Han into the fairytale hero, and there was so much other stuff in the film that didn't make him a fairytale hero, it just didn't make sense.
This was a terrific piece of analysis and beautifully edited to strengthen your point. I love Andor despite it being part of the Star Wars universe and not because of it, but I could never quite articulate it as well as you have done here. Thank you!
Luthen's monologue about sacrifice was superb. Gives me chills and puts a lump in my throat. And Stellan Skarsgärd was the perfect person to deliver it.
It was like those words were just bubbling away inside, kinda knowing that he was gonna be asked by the officer, and when he was asked it just poured out. "(F**KING) EVERYTHING!"
Imagine being so confident in your writing that you have the balls to drop that monologue in the same episode as Kino Loy's.
@@GeordieSwordsman Episode of poetry!
@@GeordieSwordsman Yeah it's still so crazy that the greatest speech in the entire 40+ history of the franchise happens, and it only lasts 10 minutes before it gets one-upped yet again. That episode is bonkers
"The rate of oppression outpaces our ability to understand it" is something I'm afraid I'll keep hearing in the back of my head throughout my whole life.
I was late to Andor, I'd already written off Disney shows after Obi-Wan and Mando, and Book of Bubba Feet. Finally went back and watched it and was gobsmacked. This is what I'd been wanting from a Starwars show for ages. Hope they keep it running...
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The show was boring.
@@mikesanders2500 Not really. Watching a complex story with good characters play out is something that is satisfying to watch. More interesting than a show which is all style and no substance.
Man, you‘re excellent! Not only is this applicable to Disney Star Wars but to the mass of newer movies.
The quote “…the need to always hold your hand” describes it really well.
I’ve always been frustrated to explain to people what i mean by that and you just gave words to it.
Thank you thank you thank you! A hundred times
THIS.. THIS is the kind of great video that's made with quality editing that I want on my recommended page RN.
I miss when "child-friendly" didn't mean "children-only".
Look, Andor is pretty far from child friendly: A story of a depressed murderer on the run from the authorities.
One of the things that solidified the realism for me was (and I've noted this on quite a few Andor review videos) the use of the Highlands of Scotland for the Aldhani was genius. Not only were the landscapes wonderful (the Cruachan Dam works so well as the imperial base), but the landscapes and ruined houses of a people pushed from their land during the Highland Clearances added a realism and gravitas to the story of the Aldhani people which mirrored the real landscapes and empty communities where they filmed this part of the show.
I'm glad to see this comment. After watching it I immediately went looking online for chatter about this and didn't really find any. I wondered for ages whether it was a deliberate choice to draw parallels between Aldhani and the Highland Clearance, or if they just chose the location and that part was coincidence.
I'm not from the UK, and initially thought they filmed it somewhere in Ireland. Which would also be a perfect setting for this story, with some design changes, so it would happen during The Troubles.
@@mashphat I didn't watch it until about 6 months after the fact, so I had assumed all the chatter had just died down.
If I were in charge I would back up a truck full of money onto Tony Gilroy’s driveway and get down on hands and knees begging him to become the custodian of this entire franchise.
Outstanding editing and script!! The message was brought about beautifully, and felt so real. Thank you!
The fact that this show is still being talked about regularly and positively is a testament to the quality and true meaningfulness of the series
God I hope they don't mess up S2
There's only so much time that can be spent complaining about the things that went wrong. Enjoying the things that went right, however, is timeless.
it was boring
@@disposablebody3379 did you click on this video, immediately pause it, then run to the comments to yell about how you didn't pay attention to Andor because you can't handle a more adult Star Wars?
@@vanlllasky Ah, you mean the more adult star wars, where they run around disguised by wearing hoddies, turning around every second to check if we got detected. Then a sudden stop at a wall to ponder about life. This idiot is followed, what is this "adult" doing to get somewhere unnoticed ?
Luckily there are the white troopers with a can of coke on their back, which - wearing armor/helmet - can be knocked out by bare hand by an adult (the one and only adult-stuff).
Or having no time, all happens under preasure, and then they find time to chat for some 2-3 minutes, adult stuff yes.
Or flying around in the galaxy with hyperspeed, but hatches are opening like the whole ship is powered by steam. whoos-pfffft-shhhh.
Or, or, or... adult Star Wars, yep.
Robots having a fist-fight ? Ok, that was the awesome ashoka-nonsense, where girls are standing around with folded arms, trying to look important or wise.
You just casually dropped one of the best Andor edits in the last 10 minutes and no one's commenting about it?!
Fuck yeah dude that was absolutely masterful! I can’t believe this guy doesn’t have a few million subs
I was scrolling through the comments looking for that as well. It was a masterpiece of an edit.
Tbh, I found the "A little extra" part completely forced and a cheating way to make the video seem longer than it actually is.
And I love Andor, and I love all the rest of the video.
@@pw6002 More masterful editing for the rest of us. I thought it was brilliant.
@@steprockmedia
Let’s say the trailer is probably a cool way to motivate people who had not seen the show to go watch it.
But I thought I would get a 25 minutes analysis about Andor and how to de-infantilize Star Wars, where in fact the analysis was only 16 minutes long, plus a 9 minute-long trailer. Hence my disappointment.
Best video I've seen in a while. His understanding of story telling is impressive, as well as instructive and eye opening. With this new secret information I might just try writing again. Yay!
One of the best videos about Star Wars I hav ever seen, just fantastic. Each second grips you to the core. Will explore more from your channel. Kudos !!
One thing that's very worth noting regarding how Star Wars simplifies the classic science fiction tropes like artificial and alien intelligent life forms comes down to that line a little later you had about how it's a story about humans. One of those humans, a crime lord, just so happens to be a slug person. One of the rebellion's admirals, another person, just happens to be a fish person. Two of the most prevalent people in the 6 Lucasfilm movies are metal, and one of them is a 3 foot tall cylinder that communicates with beeping. There's a certain beauty to that - fundamentally, intelligent life forms are people, and for Star Wars, the only reason it matters is that some of the actors have to show up 6 hours early to do makeup and prosthetics so they can shoot the scene.
It's no wonder most of the main cast are humans, actors who play aliens and robots in these things have a hellish schedule, and since Star Wars isn't really focused on the possible difficulties of communication between different species (as opposed to shows like Star Trek and Babylon 5, both of which had several alien characters who show up in most episodes), they have less trouble with telling a story where most of the cast can wear normal costumes. (Also, I'm not sure the world of 1977 was ready for the love story between Han Solo the Fish Man and Leia the Slug Lady. Even today that's only gonna work for a pretty small subset of the audience.)
Reminds me of another great show, Bojack Horseman. The main character and most of the cast are talking animals living in the same human world we live in, but the fact that they're animals is purely for show and they're humans in every other way.
You could see those kind of love stories though in less mainstream stories, often in sci-fi comics (and even more in books, of course). Perhaps aimed at more open-minded people profiles somehow, I don't know.
You left out something that one of the Characters of Rogue One makes their Life about:
Droids are Slaves.
They are stronger, smarter, and longer-lived than are Humanity, but they are not “allowed” by the Galactic Civilization to “Live as Free People.”
Some of us are working with the technologies that will eventually BE these sorts of “People” to create a new type of Film/Movie/TV Entertainment, where the Stories HAVE NO “ACTORS,” but are populated with characters who ARE THEMSELVES.
Currently these will be scripted. But there are already efforts at creating “Toy Universes” in which a small population of such “AIs” live, and have rules for how they must provide for themselves, how they procreate to create new “people” in these tiny Universes, so that one day we might have a “Universe” constructed to meet specific criteria, where the “Characters” are given certain roles, “Fates,” and so on… Where we will get new “Stories” to watch that have no “Authors” in the way current Movies/TV/Books, etc. do.
But… This comes back to the Droids…. How would these “characters” feel to discover that their Universe is a fabrication made for entertainment?
And that they are basically “Slaves.”
Gives a new perspective to Ancient Religious Faiths, for that matter.
@@Lithrus_
Have you seen Beastars?
The main characters and ALL of the Cast are Animals, where Society is divided between Predator and Prey, Carnivore, Omnivore, and Herbivore.
And a Predator and Prey fall in Love.
it's about FaMiLyyeehh
These movies dont make me feel like a kid but like a child. Is such a damn good line
Hear, hear! I literally stopped what I was doing and restarted the video when he said that. Before the video ended I’d already subscribed.
Definitely one of the best takeaways from this piece, and there’s so many!!
I thought I'd just become bored with the whole franchise, but this one soundbite encapsulated my vague dissatisfaction.
"Writing for boys is really writing for adults. Any hint of trying to talk down to him, and he spots you at once and casts the thing aside!" - Charles Hamilton
@@gonaye1 you get sold easlily
The editing of this is absolutely stunning, hats of yo, incredible work
This is an amazing video. I've been trying to cover this topic for the last two years! Thank you for taking the time to edit, explain and put something brilliant out there that covers why this method of storytelling works.
You are awesome!
You just verbalized everything i loved about Andor and Rogue One perfectly. Brilliant video. Great editing as well. You have got a new subscriber.
I'm not a star wars guy, never really was. The first ones felt....antiquated. The latter simply fun. The new stuff utterly forgettable to me. Andor and Rogue One felt like proper exciting and full movies personally. Taut storytelling at its finest.
Commented the same before I saw this.
Absolutely.
Problem for me is Rogue One was so terribly concerned with wrapping things up in a bow that the logic holes were too distracting for me to really appreciate it.
I love gritty, ambiguous stories. The main thing I like about Empire Strikes Back is it was the one movie in the original trilogy where everyone basically loses something in the ongoing grind of war. Even Vader is internally so confused by Luke's escape (I believe a part of him was relieved, knowing what would otherwise happen) that he loses touch with his Dark Side fueled rage at failure.
But Rogue One fell apart for me with things like blowing up the expensive data installation after the information is already out in the open just to explain why none of the characters were in the original. Or holding the Tantive IV helpless in the hold of another ship with Leia onboard during a very pitched battle just to explain why A New Hope begins with a star destroyer chasing it down. Or why Galen sent a hologram of himself to Saw instead of, say, some relevant portion of the Death Star plans. (Seriously, go watch "Everything Wrong with Rogue One" for a full rundown). I ended up just chucking this one on the rest of the Disney heap.
I have to give credit where it's due. The montage at the end was well thought through, planned and edited! I bet it took much more work than it seems at first glance. Well done!
Sure rallied me up to fight the empire, that was beautiful.
Also a lot of the match cuts and thematically fitting clips thrown in throughout the video are very well executed
my observations exact!
@@McDonaldsCalifornia Agree, but the end-montage blew me of my chair! (And I have been a teacher in Adobe Premiere and Photoshop)
I literally cried a little, most of these characters die fighting for or against a system whos only purpose is to give sheev and his goons power at the expense of literally everyone else ;-;
This was excellent ! Great clips from many movies , great explanations, and the scenes with speeches were inspiring. Kudos ! Again, this was so enjoyable , excellent
Randomly found this video, subbed IMMEDIATELY.
I loved Andor and I didn't know why until now, i tried many many to explain in wrong way, and now I can finally stand for it
All the time i confront with parents/friends who say they didn't like Andor or it's mediocre, I trigger all the time, I loved Andor and I didn't know why until now, I tried many many to explain in wrong way, and now I can finally stand for it
Thank you very much to enlightening this
(man, the Little Extra part in the end gives the shivers, it's freaking emotional for real)
Yesterday, it was confirmed that Andor Season 2 has officially completed filming! I genuinely hope it will be as good, if not better, than the first season. Thank you for all the comments; I've read them all. It truly shows how passionate the fanbase is and how frustrating the direction Disney has taken is for most of us. However, Andor is proof that when the marketing department does not force artistic choices onto the director, a fantastic piece of media can still be produced.
It's exciting news to hear that Andor Season 2 has wrapped up filming! It's always a positive sign when a passionate fanbase is engaged and hopeful about the upcoming season. The acknowledgment of the fan comments and the emphasis on the importance of artistic freedom for the director in creating a fantastic piece of media is an interesting perspective. It reflects the ongoing dialogue between fans and creators in navigating the balance between creative vision and commercial interests. Let's hope that Andor Season 2 lives up to expectations and continues to deliver a compelling story.
Dawg if you hate fantasy on starwars just watch any boring drama you can find on some movie channel on tv 😂
what is this @4:32 from? that shot of a padawan kissing a princess. It looks like anakin and padme but i dont remember this scene at all.
@@auroraflash The irony of posting this AI shit on a post about creativity.
@@gothxmA film called The Princess Bride. It's a brilliant movie and well worth a watch!
I wish they let Tony Gilroy handle Thrawn.
I suspect, he would make him quite terrifying
Disney, really
Half the universe would be dead in three episodes lol, no surprise resurrections, just dead, they not getting up again
@@patricklacey4946 I miss when characters stayed dead. Even in the EU when they brought back some characters, they didn't go overboard with it like Disney seems to want.
@@greghannibal They killed the entire starting cast of Rogue One like it was nothing, they would have killed Leia if the movie was 5 minutes longer lol. Someone died in almost every episode of Andor, I really thought Nemik would survive, I thought wrong lol
Andor for me was the best tv show ever made, the most real portray of the Star Wars galaxy that has ever been, and the most intensely emotionnally charged I have ever been, i laughed i cried I yelled of every emotion like i ever have before with any show and i have seen hundreds of them and all star wars média, nothing ever came even close to this, I lack even words to describe it sometimes....the characters the world building the realness of it alll....and the dialogues....the best monologues I have ever heard my entire life...I really hope many more people give this a chance, dont just give up on the first 2 episodes...you will 100% not regret it
This is tremendously well done! So clearly explained and so undeniably proven by evidence. But what impressed me most is the humility of the final montage - sometimes we just need to be quiet and let the film speak for itself! I was definitely convinced (well, I agreed with the main point from the start, but now I really want to watch Andor!)
This is a great video essay. Grounded, not hateful of kids or fans, not in denial about the original films. Love to see it.
This. So much this! It’s been so hard to get a thought through critique of anything star wars lately. There’s so much finger pointing, so much anger at this group or that. It’s great to see someone analyze something star wars from a far more objective view
As an aspiring author, I know how tempting it can be to sit down and explain everything. But this video essay serves as an excellent reminder of how much more satisfying it is show without telling. Both for the creator and the one enjoying the work.
For real. Learning to show not tell is a skill, don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. It's a muscle that you must workout and feel the pain of barely being able to do it, but then the next time you return to do some more reps (words/pages), your ability to show not tell has strengthened.
The best fiction for me is the fiction where the author uses descriptions of where, when, regarding who, to inform the reader but never giving away the why without it being through a personal revelation of a character through THEIR struggle and search for truth. Because then it feels like it was my struggle, too.
Telling without showing shows that the writer does not know their own story.
One youtube channel explained that in the old days you couldn't write a script and have it accepted. You'd write the story first only explaining the subtext you'd want to convey and why something is happening and only then fill in what dialogue and actions would convey this.
I understand now (I used to write my first story with much unnecessary info unrelated to the plot or flow of the story lol). In my case it's called infodumping.
As a writer myself I this also clicked hard for me.
You're the editing at the end is so beautifully done, only outshone by the show itself. It really is so special and will certainly outlast the rest of disney's vapid offerings.
Excellent analysis with an absolutely brilliant "greatest scenes" montage at the end. The only major theme that I think is missing is the concept of: to what degree are the rebels the bad guys? They clearly commit terrorist acts, after all. So their hands aren't entirely clean. The show itself provides glimpses of this good/evil - evil/good dichotomy. But so few critics dealer into it.
Very well done - You've described in a 30 minute video what I've spent hours trying to argue to friends and family every time Star Wars debates come up.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Mfs will see no lightsabers or mandalorians and write it off as garbage
same, I make the same argument with Marvel movies too, much prefer movies like Logan...
@@owene2530so wrong, no lightsabers, spaceships, or funny droids it’s not Star Wars, period
@@owene2530 Doesn't help when Star Wars' biggest CZcamsr holds that opinion.
That edit at the end had me crying. There are few pieces of media that have left such an impact on me, very few that I lie awake thinking about, very few that expose vulnerability and feel like they leave an open wound that never really closes.
Bruh same, it had me in tears, such beautiful writing
Luthan's monologue to Lonni always gets me
The problem is that even if Disney had still its best writers you have to keep in mind that it is a kids/family brand. Even if the writing was better it fundamentally clashes with the themes in Star Wars. Yes, I know Andor is good but that is a rare exception. It should have never gotten sold to Disney since what they do best isn't Sci-Fi.
I was in tears too.. because it speaks to the struggles of our time
Dude, finish your thought. You started making a point and didn't finish it. Say what you want to say and don't lazily expect others to fill in the blanks for you. "there are few pieces....never really closes". What you want to say next is that this made you feel that way. You didn't say that, though. All you said is that it made you cry and you said this BEFORE making your next point.
Really nicely done; complete quality. Thank you of the upload.
Damn man that last 19:51 extra bit actually brought a little tear to my eye, masterfully done, I'm about ready to start a revolution myself!
Ngl The context fits what's happening at the Palestine rn.
The similarity is scary.
@@sirbachelorboredmen1314The world rn...
@@sirbachelorboredmen1314 The antisemetic cult that goes in and slaughters over 1000 people at a peace concert, are anti democracy, and throw gays off high rise buildings are like rebels fighting an opressive empire?
The problem is that even if Disney had still its best writers you have to keep in mind that it is a kids/family brand. Even if the writing was better it fundamentally clashes with the themes in Star Wars. Yes, I know Andor is good but that is a rare exception. It should have never gotten sold to Disney since what they do best isn't Sci-Fi.
*The CIA wants to know ur location*
Where did Luke get his cybernetic hand?
The second hand store.
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this was an epic video, thank you so much for explaining what I've been intuitively feeling for so long
Engagement comment cause this video deserves the attention, keep up the work, editing work is fantastic, audio is amazing, and your voice keeps me along for the ride the whole time.
Andor feels so much like that one deleted scene from A New Hope where Luke talks to Biggs Darklighter. I love the language used in A New Hope. The style, swagger, and lingo are very 70s. Very memorable. Andor does a great job building on this style in an authentic way. It is a sincere show. Sincerity is what is often lacking when old properties are used to make new films and TV shows today.
Not just shows, either. People are deathly afraid to be sincere in general, thanks to living on social media. Modern writers just also happen to be chronically online, with very little life experience outside of college and corporate jobs, and it shows.
@@Cryptic0013 Yeah, you're right. There are some very sheltered writers and it shows. Great artists are great observers - they pay attention to others and they write of humanity true, not any social fabrications nor mainstream follies.
"The pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it" is a really good quote, god. For me, an Eastern European, that is a feeling I get every time I read the news from my country.
Reletable af, Poland here
@@lunar5616 Absofraggenlutely, coming from a US citizen marginalized. History is being rewritten to hide the tyranny of today.
The oppression in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s and the oppression in the Asian theater during the same time. Wasn’t beyond our ability to resist. The alliance to confront that oppression was on the back foot, but it gained its footing and the allies were victorious. Those same forces of oppression arising today; it isn’t a matter of comprehension. It is once again a matter of confrontation.
@@denvan3143 too many Neville Chamberlains in power today like there was then.
@@denvan3143sorry, but that's such a naive view. The only reason why we believe that the forces of oppression were defeated is because the victors write the history. All participants of the WWII were pretty terrible, although I have a soft spot for USSR as least terrible of them.
Genuinely one of the best video essays I’ve seen. Brilliantly said, and well done.
beautiful essay and editing style + music is perfect. will be keeping a close eye on this chanel
This summary is why when I found that games like KOTOR and SWTOR existed, I played them to experience a personalized story that really felt like I was injected into this gritty world.
Diving deep into a world where I could be more than just a good Jedi or comically evil Sith. The world building and storyline kept me coming back. This video essay was wonderful and throughly enjoyed it.
Yea, the ability to stay roughly in the middle of light side and dark side is really nice. In both KOTOR and SWTOR I stay as "grey" as possible and it's a lot more satisfying than hard leaning one way or the other. Really makes it feel like my story as opposed to my character's story.
KOTOR became the crux of Star Wars for me.
@@TravlerBlue swtor is rather designed to be grey. the light and dark options are going to be self-sacrificing idealism or pragmatism, and the next time it is going to be plain decency or violent cruelty. If you played a reasonable person, the pattern is grey. for instance killing dozens to reach an NPC that offers a light option to spare isn't really sensical. Another time, the dark option is death for its own sake when the light option is a political lottery.
You might be a Witcher book and game enjoyer then, I can't recommend them enough.
How pretentious are you to literally act like you want star wars without the jedi
Great video. Anytime we can remind ourselves of the greatness of Andor I'm all for it. I wasn't shocked when he killed the cop but the scene from Rogue One immediately came to mind. I thought to myself, "This is going to tell how serious they are." BAM! "Yes!" Andor was a complete breathe of fresh air. It is easily my favorite bit of Star Wars since The Empire Strikes back. Just as Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie since the original trilogy.
I thought I was the only one that liked rogue one! haha
Agree. It's a much needed reminder that the Empire was, no joke, evil.
@@coha348 - Where did you get that idea? Especially in the present day of Star Wars, Rogue One is celebrated as being one of *the* best movies in the entire franchise.
@@opo3628 When it came out there was a prevailing mainstream response that "Oh, it's well-made and a good bit of gritty story-telling but it's not ... ahem ... Star Wars. Where's the jaunty banter, loveable characters, easy saves, and happy ending? We came for a space romp and got an adult story..."
This was fabulous! Thank you for the effort you put in to create it. 👏
Great job. Great video. Spot-on with your conclusion, and the production in the video is excellent. Very enjoyable. 👍
I am so with you on this. The andor example of the tie fighter is EXACTLY what real war footage of Stukas is like. I want more of that. Jurassic Park needs this mentality badly too i think.
It is also what _Alien_ gets right that every single one of its sequels gets wrong. Just like ninjas, having more of them on screen makes them _less_ scary. There's also a difference between framing something as a monster (horror movie framing) and framing it as an enemy (action movie framing). That tie fighter bearing down is framed like a monster.
@@Low_commotion very well said
@@Low_commotionregarding Aliens, it does make sense that they would be framed that way as the series progressed: it wasn't Ellen's first rodeo
FABULOUS WORK HERE.I haven’t been this moved by any single Star Wars related piece of work as I am with this.Everything about this video rings so true,so passionate,that’s its beyond inspiring to me.I could never imagine this would be as profoundly unique and special as it is when I pressed on it.I am not the same person now as I was before watching this.
Wow - very nicely put together argument. A real pleasure to watch, and I appreciate Andor (which I already loved) even more now.
Andor and Rogue One are the best things to come out of Disney Star Wars. Giving us a more grounded sci fi show than space fantasy is what I look for in the property now. Great video. Thanks for making it.
They don't want you to watch. They want you to buy toys for your kids because THEYRE watching.
I thought Rogue One kind of sucked. The premise of stealing plans for the death star felt kind of small to base an entire movie on. And there were a lot of long and unremarkable action sequences that I found pretty boring. I enjoyed the Force Awakens more of the newer star wars movies... although I wouldn't say any of them were great. Haven't seen Andor or any of the other spin offs yet, though.
I agree, Rogue One had characters that stood out and clear character arcs. Andor did as well. You also got to see so much more of the empires oppression than we have in any other movie or show. The prison episodes were some of the best of the show.
I also liked that they actually fleshed out the Empires characters. Instead of them just being evil for the sake of being evil.
@@davidfaustino4476the biggest flaw in the current age of humanity. Cash rules above all else.. why make something great and timeless when you can make something cheap and easy that sells enough stuff to make quick easy predictable profit.
The people that do care or have the right ideas are often over ridden by money focused management groups
@@stevenqirkle genuinely the worst opinion ive read so far. Simply awful. Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie to grace the silver screen.
This is a great analysis of the state of the franchise and how Andor is the show that chose to grow with its audience
The Star Wars franchise finds itself at a critical juncture, facing both challenges and opportunities. Recent releases have sparked diverse reactions among fans, with varying opinions on creative choices, storytelling, and adherence to the established lore. Striking a balance between honoring the beloved legacy and exploring new narratives has proven to be a delicate task. The franchise's future success may hinge on its ability to navigate this delicate balance, satisfying both longstanding fans and attracting new audiences. With upcoming projects and spin-offs, the direction Star Wars takes in the coming years will undoubtedly shape its legacy in the hearts of fans across generations.
@@auroraflash ok chatgpt
What an incredibly well made video, the intro had me hooked.
Star Wars break downs...seen a ton - this is the best by far I've seen...and that was before the final scene of this vid began. Feels like I've seen a double feature, each one of the best I've seen, but also each one, when understood, also speaks directly to the other's credibility subcutaneously...and together...dude...they finish each others' sentences you can't tell aren't finished until they are... the first is the pre-amble to the next, and the next, is the sequel to the first...and round they go... ...telling you a story, by and while telling you another story - and telling a story about how a story should be told, told in the way that made this story, The Story. Proving it's never pointed-out point, by making and how it made another, about how another was made... My damn whole day is different. And rarely been so confident saying - I get it, I get it the way it was meant to be gotten, and those that don't - well good luck to those background characters.
Absolute genius production imo. Thanks for your time @Beghast-tv...it is much appreciated.
11:36 You know, I had never quite managed to put this thought into words, but I think you perfectly captured what made A New Hope and Empire so special here - that they took their time to allow us to live in their world for a while. Seeing Vader without his helmet, or Luke eating rations... These aren't strictly necessary. A screenwriter who knows enough to earn a job on, say, Disney's writing team would probably be very tempted to cut these scenes, because they don't serve mechanical purpose to the plot.
...But they would be absolutely wrong to do so. Because while they may not advance the plot, they pull such heavy weight in humanizing the characters on screen, and allowing us to breathe in the atmosphere of the setting.
This is really the core of my affection for the first two movies, now that I think about it. That understanding of when best to take their time and slow down... That's also where Return of the Jedi went wrong in trying to do this *too* much, but I digress.
JJ Abrams-style movies are intended to be frenetic so you don't think too much about the plot and just gawk at the visuals.
@@RecklessFablesnah both Star Treks were great
You reminded me of an interview with Hamill, Fischer, and Ford. They had to argue with Lucas about dialogue that was way too technical and sounded like a coder speaking in DOS. It’s good to have little glimpses of the universe like eating, but it can go too far. It’s good they dialed it back, and kept us invested in the characters.
i think there's more to that, very little in the original trilogy seems coincidental or accidental, it seems causal. That cannot be said of episodes 7 through 9
The prequels did this the best but I expect you’ll come up with some reason why they actually suck
I very seldom write comments, but dude, what a great video. The time and care that must have gone into doing all the clips is incredible. Thank you.
You seldom see people saying “seldom” anymore…
very seldom...
best Star Wars analysis in CZcams, and one the best movies video I ve ever seen, congratulations!
How does this man not have 1M subscribers? This video is 110% absolute perfection. Stellar pacing, perfect visuals, perfectly arranged, solid story critiques, astounding musical synchrony.
Bravo.
There are only five videos on this channel, only two of which are about Star Wars. Not really enough to subscribe for? Plus, and maybe I'm the only one not worshiping this video, but it doesn't say anything I haven't heard before from other video creators and media outlets. That doesn't make it a bad video, just not novel for me from an analytical perspective. The lack of any mention of the weak points from Rogue One and Andor was also an oversight. The time spent crushing on Andor or just replaying bits of Andor could have been used to talk more about how e.g., the sequels could have been done differently, or covered some the other Disney material. Frankly I find the title of the video doesn't really represent the content we ended up with.
I appreciate Andor so much as it finally grew up along with it's audience. I saw Star Wars when it first came out in 1977. All those thousands, millions, if people who also saw it that summer have grown up into now old adults. It is so refreshing to see the story finally catch up to its initial audience. Thank you for your excellent analysis.
Absolutely, it's truly rewarding to see Andor mature and evolve alongside its dedicated audience. The Star Wars saga has been a part of the lives of millions who first experienced it in 1977, and witnessing the narrative resonate with the journey of its original fans is a special and nostalgic experience. The show's ability to grow and adapt while maintaining the essence of the Star Wars universe is commendable. Your appreciation for the excellent analysis further highlights the depth and significance that Andor brings to the table. Here's to the continued success and meaningful storytelling in the galaxy far, far away!
yep - was 17 when star Wars came out - it was awesome - E.S.B. was excellent -
RotJ - was pretty good - i felt they played way too much to the younger audience - i felt the the E-Woks should have been a lot more serious...
then next set of SW-1 - 3 were decent -
however Hayden Christensen's portrayal of Annikin Skywalker was horrible - whiny little brat - cant believe somebody didn't nix his dialogue/re-write those scenes
Star Wars: Episode 7 - The Force Awakens (2015) - had so much wasted potential -
i didnt watch another till Rogue One - which i thought was very good -
i have kept away from the most recent Star Wars spinoffs
have not watched Mandalorian - nor Andor
but after watching this YT video - i think i will have to check out Andor
@@jonniiinferno9098 also the story of episode 3 is a little sus: so Anakin got no access to the restricted area of the Jedi archives, where he hopes to find a solution to save his wife’s life by using the dark side.
However, he got access to all the light side knowledge; and force healing is a light side ability.
You tell me he was too stupid to tell another Jedi master that he wants to learn how to heal his Jedi comrades on the battlefield of the clone wars? Yeah, makes a lot of sense…
@@auroraflash - agreed - somebody in the writing dept was not thinking clearly...
@@auroraflash Force healing wasn't a thing at the time ROTS was made. It's another dumb retcon.
This one of the best comments on Andor and it’s quality. Your style and narration are absolutely great.
Kudos for achieving such great hight and amazing video.
On point, subtle, straightforward, absolute highest quality.
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Absolutely phenomenal video essay - the writing, the delivery, the music, the cinematography, it’s all truly spectacular. Thank you!!
Really astute and excellent commentary here. Thank you for shedding light on such an incredible piece of cinema and the masterpiece that is Andor.
Making the analogy between children's shows and the new Star Wars is brilliant. They share a very similar feeling for me too.
Can we please stop pretending that this is some new phenomena? This has been going on since Return of the Jedi at the very least, nd the cast of A New Hope thought they were just making some dumb kids movie.
all star wars movies are for children. never understood why adults are still into it.@@ScooterinAB
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Agreed - it was ever thus.
All over the Internet we see Star Wars 'fans' endlessly complaining and stubbornly holding on to the delusion that things have changed somehow - that the Star Wars they remember from when they were kids was amazing, but that anything that came along afterwards is universally terrible. The exact same complaints, recycled over and over, decade after decade, none of them ever noticing that they sound exactly like those from the previous generation. Someone who grew up with and loved the prequel trilogy, for example, who could never understand why those grouchy old original trilogy purists hated it so much, slips neatly into that role themselves and starts moaning about everything that came along *_after_* the prequels.
Star Wars hasn't changed - *_we_* changed.
We got old, that's all
@@wilhelmaschenberger5556 Adults can like things that are for kids. Bluey (a show for preschoolers) is apparently well regarded by adults. But Star Wars is primarily made for kids. The target audience is kids, not 50 year old men who watched the first movie in theatres. There's nothing wrong with that, but it does mean that angry 50 year old men should maybe pump the brakes and stop pretending like it's for them exclusively.
Thank you. Star Wars is deeply personal to me. My father gave it to me, first as a novelization of an upcoming movie, then standing in lines for hours every weekend in the Summer of 1977, to asking me to put the Star Wars DVD in to watch 2 days before he passed. What Disney has mostly done to Star Warts offends me. I am only glad my Pops isn't here now to see it. Andor, however, feels true. Feels right. Feels like it honors what came before it. Pops would really love it.
I agree. I never actually wanted a "de-infantilized Star Wars." I loved the prequels and the original trilogy just fine in all their blend of epic grandeur, romanticism, lighthearted humor, fun for all ages--and yes, fantasy archetypes. Not so keen on these new Disney sequels, though I haven't watched the shows yet.
Disney ruined our "Happy Ending". At risk of speaking for others, collectively, we saw _Return of the Jedi_ and assumed the main characters remained friends/lovers etc.
All we wanted was to see the gang back together, as they were, kicking the butts of bad guys if necessary. Passing the torch, if necessary. Dying, if the death were _meaningful_ .
Instead, we got broken relationships, broken heroes. Just dang depressing.
The best Disney could do is create some _Men In Black_ Neuralyzer device to erase those movies from our memories, destroy the sequels from existence, somehow convince Lucas to, at least, outline some stories, or - even better - return it to Lucasfilm. Disney, clearly, can not be trusted with the worldwide treasure that is Star Wars. If you give a kid a Ferrari and they wreck it...
I'm not going to lie, this comment brought tears to my eyes.. R.I.P to your father and god bless you and your family. I lost my mom 4 years ago and my father is in his late 60s so I understand exactly how you feel
@@medatativemotivations7460 I miss my Pops everyday. Hugs. Thank you.
@@RodCornholio Star Wars has always walked a fine line. Lucas made a rootin'-tootin' space shoot'em up with real heart, real stakes and real good and evil. People criticize some of the sequels for veering toward the rootin'-tootin' easy fun side and some people criticize the sequels and spin-offs for being too gritty real. I am OK with there being two "faces" of Star Wars.
However, I do agree with you that the essential thing they shouldn't (but sometimes do) lose is honesty/authenticity. The sacrifices have to be necessary and important. The "wins" shouldn't be contrived, unearned or tricks. Sometimes, over the hours and hours and hours of Star Wars content made by hundreds and hundreds of creators they don't always get that right.
Your channel is an amazing find! New subscriber :)
I like how you got your point across so well WITHOUT SPOILERS
Glad I found this vide, I am inspired to watch a Favourite Classic once more.
May The Force Be With You
You just summed up everything I’ve felt since finishing Andor.
It was so good and so dramatically DIFFERENT.
The way you tied it back to the empire strikes back was really eye opening.
Well done! Thank you
I agree, ESB has always been my favorite of the original 3 movies for the same reason.
Your editing at the end is so good. I’m reliving all my goosebumps from watching the show originally. Andor and Rogue One will forever be my favorite pieces of Star Wars. They’re grounded and show the Star Wars universe beyond the fantasy.
Honestly, the whole video was top tier.
Man, I'd forgotten how good Andor was. Time to do that re-watch! (all the drek served up so quickly erases the memory of the few really good shows)
Great job on the music and the montages in this video sir!
You did a very good job here. Great edit.
Your montage editing show more storytelling capability than anything else. The preservation of motion, the correlation of scenes, how everything meshes together. Ough, so good.
Yeah!
It must have been so much work
That montage at the end is brilliant. When you really see what's being built through great dialogue writing.
I agree. Great idea.
great video... the montage at the end was awesome
Nice take and nice work. I always enjoy watching Rogue One. The first time I watched it I did sense something special about it that wasn't coming from the newest movies and shows. I have yet to watch Andor and now you have me seeking it out. Thank you for posting this insightful and thoughtful analysis.
I got a star wars ad before watching this video. Thought I'd share for no reason at all.
That always happens
Thx for sharing I love you
Really? I got one for a free adult toy 😂
You need an adblocker, dude.
Ad? What is that?
The last montage is uploaded in a separate video! Link in the description. Thanks for the kind comments!
the last montage really brought the whole thing home. greatjob
I'm about halfway through this and am thoroughly enjoying your thoughts. Several times already, you've put into words things that I'd FELT but didn't know how to put into words.
One comment I would make (not a criticism) is that the music almost overwhelms your speaking voice sometimes. Again, not a criticism, hopefully ust a helpful comment.
And I meant it!
The gripe I had with the recent series is that only Andor and Rogue One had that gritty edge that would have improved the other series. Meanwhile, they also told the barely necessary backstory of long dead characters in the story we never asked for a movie about. Sure, their sacrifice helped the rebellion, but the movies are still a little boring, being some of the only star wars content with no Jedi or lightsaber battles. Was mad at how they did Donnie Yen and made him just some disabled, less than full-fledged Jedi with an implied possible gay romance with another dude. Star Wars with no Jedi or lightsabers just doesn't feel enough like Star Wars for me and the story may as well have been any other space opera sci-fi series. Felt like it was just missing the characteristic Star Wars magic.
Amazing video 10/10
This is so well articulated. I've tried to explain this same thing to other people and why I'm unable to watch Star wars anymore. Now I can just send them this! Great video!
You can just watch Andor ? Or wait for more. It took Band of Brothers also 10 years for sequels.
awesome video the montage cut at the end was the best conclusion.
I did not expect realism from Star Wars so Andor was a joy to watch. We need more of this level of storytelling in a Star Wars setting.
Well done! I grew up in the 80s on military bases. I always sort of viewed them as them empire in a way. Andor is my FAVORITE bit of Star Wars. I love it so much. The soul crushing despair is exactly what I imagine it would be for everyone.
This was masterfully done. Bravo!
Amazing. I can't wait to explore your creations.
100% agree. Andor, way more than even Rogue One, felt like someone had snuck in under Disney's radar and flipped the reset switch on the entire franchise.
Those last 7 minutes. I got goosebumps watching that part. That was such a great honor to one of (if not the) best Starwars spinoff shows, Masterfully done
Wow, I don't know if it's Andor or your editing, but I have goosebumps all over
What a superb analysis. You articulated what has been bugging me but couldn't put my finger on it.
I just wanted to say that I really thought this video was over after the first 10 minutes because the production quality of this video is just crazy. Like the first 10 minutes could have been a standalone video and it would still be great. Insane. Got one new follower now!
Really nice edit at the end, stitching together some of the best dialogue to illuminate many of the central themes of Andor/Rogue One. That edit even made me view some of the lines differently in the new context, for example Cyril's line to his corporate cops about 'sometimes the biggest risk is doing nothing', but given the edit, understanding that in the context of the everyday people of the galaxy not resisting the empire/authoritarian power (as if someone like Luthen said the line). Well done. Really looking forward to Season 2. Should be amazing.
Yes! I thought the exact same thing with that part of the edit. I've thought a lot about how Cyril and Cassian are so deliberately crafted to be foils for each other in so many ways, but I'd never realized before now, that the line Cyril says at the beginning of the season, which feels so flaccid and cringe when he says it (despite him truly believing it on some level), is the very understanding that crystalizes within Cassian at the end of the season, in such a powerful way.