This and That: 2022 World Figure Skating Championships (Kaori Sakamoto, Shoma Uno, Alysa Liu)
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- The 2022 World Figure Skating Championships were the balm for our skating-loving souls. We discuss all of the emotional moments from Kaori Sakamoto, Loena Hendrickx, Alysa Liu, Mariah Bell, Shoma Uno, Yuma Kagiyama, Kazuki Tomono, Vincent Zhou, Camden Pulkinen, Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier, Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron, Madison Hubbell and Zachary Donohue, and Madison Chock and Evan Bates. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Timestamps in progress:
0:00 Introduction
0:06 That reference lol Jonathan…currently dying of laughter
25:42 pairs
- 26:26 uncertainty on why Chinese pairs not coming here
- 27:49 Japanese pair
- 29:10 Georgian pair
---29:46 side mention of Anastasiia Shabotova being kick out by Ukraine team for liking Plushenko’s post and got invited by Plushenko….
-36:02 back to Japanese team and then US pairs
-- 36:46 Ashley/Timothy
-- 42:47 Alexa/Brandon
-- 50:01 if US pairs will retire… (52:40 mentioning Maddi/Zack for dance)
- 55:02 back to Japanese pairs
- 56:42 3 pairs next year (us/japan)
-- 56:55 us pairs splits 😭 (Misha/Audrey, Olivia Sterafini try out with Danny)
-- 57:24 satoko miyahara retirement announcement
1:05:42 mens event
- 1:07:25 SHOMA UNO 🤩 (the reason why I’m here 😏)
- 1:12:17 Yuma Kagiyama
- 1:14:26 Kazuki tomono
- 1:15:46 Ilia Malinin
-- 1:18:52 side mention of Jason Brown
- 1:20:41 Camden Pulkinen
- 1:25:24 Ukrainian man
(1:25:45 Hugo Chouinard choreograph new music for Ukrainian ice dance team)
- 1:28:44 Jun wa cha Withdrawing from FS
- 1:28:48 Vincent Zhou (and mentioned of espn article)
(1:35:08 moment where camden comforting Vincent)
1:35:50 ice dance
(1:35:53 Jonathan suggesting Ilia to work with Marina Z)
- 1:38:13 8/10 teams from Montreal
- 1:39:43 Hawayeh/Baker
** side conversation **
(1:42:33 Russian not being here and thus not going to see second/third rated moulin rouge and see them medal here
- 1:42:45 if Russian are here, we might see Stepanova/Bukin and Diana Davis/Smolkin medalling here
- 1:43:58 Eteri removing all the pro-Russia posts
)
- 1:45:56 Fear/Gibson
- 1:48:02 Laurence Fournier Beaudry/Nikolaj Sorensen having lift issue and not able to keep 3 spots for Canadian
- 1:49:17 Gilles/Poirier
- 1:50:07 smart/Diaz might medal next year
- 1:51:35 back to Gilles/Poirier
- 1:56:41 chock/Bates
- 1:57:17 Hubble/Donahue
2:03:44 women event
- 2:03:46 kaori sakamoto
- 2:08:13 Loena Hendrix
- 2:10:24 Alysa liu
- 2:10:55 karen chen (😭)
- 2:11:31 Mariah Bell
(Side conv on Eun Soo and Marin Honda)
- 2:13:55 Young You
- 2:15:14 Korean ladies qualify 3 spot for next world
- 2:15:24 Haein Lee / 2:15:32 side mention of Yelim Kim
- 2:15:44 Wakaba Huguchi (😭)
- 2:18:03 Maddie Schizas
(Side conv on Lambiel choreography, also mentioned of Deniss Vasilkevs)
2:19:02 moment of the week:)
(Phew-took 3 whole days for this 😅)
(P.S: please wish Shant a good luck on his show/performance :))
Oh no I was not ready lol I was about to eat dinner also I have an event this week as well. I’ll try to get the rest
25:42 Pairs Event
26:26 why the Chinese pair teams didn’t come is still unknown. Dave do you think it’s politics?
27:49 the Japanese pairs they were so amazing here, mistakes in the free but otherwise solid performances!
29:10 Georgian pair, I honestly didn’t expect them to be in the top 4 here, what a wonderful surprise!
29:46 Anastasiia Shabotova being kicked out of the Ukrainian team for liking pro-war Instagram post by Plushenko…her possibilities of competing are unknown at this time. She was forced to withdraw from worlds due to this.
36:02 back to the Japanese Pair team and then the US teams
36:46 Ashley and Timothy, so devastating in the free program, I hope she is ok.
@@shomaunofan8486 Maybe you could do your time stamps in a different post. I know I really like and appreciate your more simple time stamps. I wouldn’t think 2 different types of time stamps would be bad.
@@AuroraR oh but I am super random on when I start time stamping. If ppl follow my timestamps then they might get upset with me cuz I start with pairs and then I stop (dinner and such) and I am not sure when to restart. I’m def not as dedicated as Shant :)
I love both of Shoma's skates at the Worlds, absolutely spectacular. Shoma really deserved that gold medal win. This was one of the best Worlds in a long time.
Shoma was simply magnificent. He let loose in the step sequence at the end , it was 🔥🔥
Shoma’s short program was Stunning! Just phenomenal. And his leaping for joy at the end was just so endearing. So thrilled that he finally has a world title after all these years.
Kaori is Fierce! What a champion! The women’s event felt so wonderful. The podium was so joy to watch with all 3 deserving women beaming with joy. Such a contrast to the Olympics.
This event was such a breath of fresh air!
Question from a non-skater superfan... What did Dave mean re: Yuzu has poor skating skills compared to Shoma? I understand Nathan but... Yuzu? I thought he had some of the best skating skills...
@@JackAShepherd im baffled by that too.
Yuzuru has no deep edges and what he does is sometimes cluttered but not the most difficult.
@@RS-qr7vr Really...??? Doesn't he have an unprecedentedly-small number of crossovers in this past season's short? Isn't that inherently quality and non-clutter...???
@@JackAShepherd crossover is a type of transition. Skating skills includes on how well one's glides on the ice, how deep they use the edges. There's a reason why they say ice dancers edges are unparalleled. Watch ice dancer discipline and you'd know what I mean.
The Japanese themselves are known to be the best in skating skills. Hanyu, Uno, Daisuke Takahashi, the now Kagiyama. But there's a reason as to why many praise Uno's skating skills. Hanyu and Uno are about the same tho. Depends on what's on your criteria.
YES DAVE, Shoma's crossovers are exquisite! Who cares if he has a lot of them when they look like that.
Overjoyed for Shoma and his well deserved World title. His artistry, his posture and his interpretation of the music are marvelous
Happiest for Shoma. He was so solid and I dont care if Yuzu or Nathan were here, that performance still would have won.
Not to sound like an annoying fanyu but his underrotated jumps and crossover fests do not deserve those marks
@@rajs7876 nah, if Nathan was there and delivered, he would've beaten that easily. If he had mistakes then yeah, Shoma might have beaten him.
Don't get me wrong, I'm super happy for Shoma, but Nathan scores 202 in FS on a so-so day and it was Shoma's PB.
@@rajs7876 I doubt. I love Shoma and love that he has this title but Nathan could have easily beat that. Nathan scored a 200 at SC with a rather messy skate with 3 clean quads.
@@rajs7876 Nope. I like Shoma but he would never have beaten Nathan. He hasn't been able to do so since 2018 Olympics, didn't at 2022 Olympics, wouldn't have here either. He doesn't have high enough tech. He did skate very well.
I love the I AM camp and Eteri camp comparison. I genuinely forgot about how majority of the dance teams are from that camp not only because each team has individual style but also how the skaters are celebrated and appreciated without having to praise their coach every single time.
I was so happy for all of the winners. Shoma finally achieved this momentum and was well deserving. Very happy for Kaori. She’s always a delight to watch.
Found out from twitter that he’s a misogynist. Not happy for him at all
@@fringe9068 A silly label!
@@TheReneex misogyny is not “silly”
@@fringe9068 he also said he hated animals, humanity, and himself during the chat in question that people bring up three years later. not his finest moment at all but occurred during a very low point in his career and life. very silly to me that it’s still used against him, i think.
@@fringe9068 We've descended into a society where anyone will be branded with some silly label for speaking our minds. At the risk of "offending" others!
I could watch Shomo do crossovers all day - like a knife through butter.
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Basically all he does is crossovers and two foot skating, so edit his video with deleting the jumps, spins and StSq and you will see him do nothing but crossovers 😅
I feel the same way! The skating world has shifted to the “conceal-your-weak-fundamentals-with-busy-footwork-and-crazy-choreography” mode entirely, and it is refreshing to see QUALITY stroking that moves you. My only problem w/ Shoma is that he doesn’t do enough of it!!!
Yes he’s the best
@@flywings111 i mean you can say that for any skater. if you edit out all the technical content from a program, all you'll see is crossovers.
This World’s was just so pure. Like such a lighter atmosphere and everyone being so generous, gracious and full of sportsmanship. I really enjoyed this competition whereas I was depressed watching the Olympics.
Except the technical content at this worlds was baaaaad. It’s missing Bradie, It’s missing RIKA, it’s missing MAI MIHARA. So many are INJURED because they tried to KEEP UP with the Russians!
@@JosedeJezeus I am so mad that people seem to have forgotten about Bradie and Rika. I felt their absence all season. Also men's field without Nathan, pairs without the Chinese - it did feel incomplete. Not to mention all the other WDs. Not talking about that nation that should not be named, because their absence indeed purified the whole event, but the absence of others was very noticeable.
@@JosedeJezeus was Mai injured? I thought shw wasn't sent bc of her fourth place at nationals, although they should have sent her.
@@colleenduffy1139 you are correct. I should have made my sentence clearer: I compared Mai to RIKA and Braddie because she HAS the technical content.... look at where Wakaba and Mana ended up in placements..... Japan almost lost its 3 spots....
Mana BOMBED at the Olympics, and again here.... Obviously, the Japanese federation HATES Mai!
After Mana BOMBED at the Olympics, she should have been taken OFF the Worlds Roster!
Mai Could have won a freaken medal! She has the scores to compete... dang it!
@@JosedeJezeus Agree 100%! She's been amazingly consistent all year and deserved to be at the worlds after not being sent to the olympics. Especially after how badly Mana did, as you pointed out. I am so impressed how well she came back after serious illness and think she deserved better.
Jonathan, I agree with you about Kaori’s program. How appropriate given everything that occurred with the Russian GIRLS at the Olympics. As soon as I heard that line “what is it that you want from me, is it my soul, is it my body,” I was in instant tears. It was almost like that line was a direct response to what we saw happen at the Olympics and the conditions in which the Eteri girls train. And to see it skated by a young woman, not a girl, who is a normal size and not emaciated…I mean it was definitely a moment for me and I was in tears the entire time.
Me too!! It's so refreshing to see three young WOMEN on the podium with adult bodies, not prepubescent and emaciated ones. Of course Alysa is still very young but she looks a lot more like I did at 15/16, whereas Shcherbakova looks more like I did when I was seriously mentally unwell.
Ofc disordered eating can happen at any size, but you can't fly like Kaori and be eating "a chocolate bar a day" as Medvedeva did pre-2018 Olympics (she said so in an interview).
I was so thrilled for Loena and Alysa too. It was a really nice atmosphere in the press conference, none of the weird tension and hysterics like after Beijing.
I agree also. Some say she has a lack of artistry but I appreciate the speed and fierceness of her skating. The music of her free skate and her performance sent a positive message to the skating world.
Everyone took a deep cleansing breath and skated with openness and joy. It was grand.
This was an event that highlighted pure technique, pure joy, and fair play. It is amazing how we had all been conditioned to accept anything less as the gold standard for the last 8 years or so.
the article about vincent mentioning his coaches and choreographers making him skate in damaged equipment as part of “adversity training” was so awful. no wonder he’s always injured.
The backstage video of Vincent on his knees and Camden helping him up and hugging him is burned in my brain.
Where is that, don't think I saw it.
Mee too. It shows how much stress he endured 😢
Link?
I'm so happy Shoma was finally able to win his gold medal! 🤩 His free is not my favourite either but he was indeed very intense and into it! I love the short instead!
The atmosphere in this Worlds was just amazing in all competitions! We really deserved something like this after the mental mess that were the Olympics!
No more silver shoma!
@@Patrick-vj1qu Yes! I like the "silver prince" nickname, but a Worlds Gold looks good in his medal collection! 😁 He really deserved It!
I can't wait to world's next year. This was great but when everyone is not overtired and all the eligible competitors will want to go it will be even better
Roman had a wonderful debut at Worlds and he contributed a lot to the second spot for Canada for next year
These worlds were satisfying. First time since 2013 that I've enjoyed the women's competition which used to be my favorite. Kaori's free skate was the perfect vehicle to close out the competition. Great to see Shoma get his long awaited gold. Very happy for Vincent - showing real fight, tenacity, and heart of a champ. Alysa was a joy to watch. Her attitude will take her far. Camden really stepped up and made the most of filling in for Nathan. Hope he continues.
I'm so happy for Shoma! Saw him in 2017 4CC and enjoyed his skating so much💐 Top ice dance teams were such a pleasure to watch and overall great event with encouraging audience. Loved it❤️
Knierin and Frazier's performance was one that would be podium worthy in any competition even with Russian and Chinese skaters. They were beauriful in the short and the free. Congrats to them. I was also very happy to see Shoma finally get a gold. Bravo for him.
I actually got pretty emotional watching this competition, during multiple disciplines. The pure quality of the skating, the genuine reactions, the feeling that you really didn't know what the results were going to be ahead of time. It was even refreshing to see some of the best in the world with minor imperfections or under-rotations. Because it didn't feel like we were watching something produced in a factory. That is clean sport. And it really hit home how much I missed it.
I did as well. While the free dance was on, I was surprised how I felt. So much joy and relief honestly, like we had gone back in time to worlds gone by. I loved it.
Nicely said. I totally agree. This worlds was refreshing, honest, exciting, and I too was emotional with some of the wins. I especially enjoyed the Ice Dancers beautiful display of talent without the threat of corrupt judges looking for a reason to knock down their marks so the Russian ice dance team could be marked higher. Watching the edges from Hubbell and Donahue was good, although it pisses me off all over again, that they didn't win Silver at the Olympics due to politics. I also enjoyed Kaori's skating, she is powerful, fast, has great technique, unmatched edging, high jumps, and has a pure joy of skating that is contagious. Amazing weekend of skating!
This was the first Ladies competition I’ve watched and enjoyed in years. Scoring is still funkytown, but you could see everyone felt they had a real chance.
Same!
Of course everyone had a chance - the BEST were missing.
@June Bug deep enough for you to answer
I agree about the weird scoring.
@@collegeofamericanenglish-8478 the best at cheating lol
Thank you, b*tches from America!
Really appreciated your coverage of this Olympic season.
Moments of the event for me were the feel good stories of Shoma finally winning gold, Camden finishing in the top 10 after being in the "B group" (like you guys said in the 4CC recap), and Brandon's shocked expression realizing he and Alexa won.
I felt that the judges were giving Ilia a message that it's just not about the jumps.
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I think the low scores for Ilia were because of his 2 failed quads and that he’s still new to the Senior World stage. I prefer his choreo and music over Yuma’s. US Judges didn’t hold back their high scores at the Us championship but I agree with you with Shomo. I’m so glad he finally got to stand on top.
This was such a great competition. Felt so great to see Knieram/Frazier on the top of the podium. My heart went out to Cain/LeDuc. Really felt sympathy for Kihara/Miura. Next year I wish Kihara/Miura get Muramoto/Takahashi to choose the music for their programs. The ice dance competition and ladies was great. Watching Loena Hendrickx beautiful footwork really gave me joy.
Watching Gabby Papadakis skate at these worlds with such abandon and joy made me wonder how much the 2018 Olympics RD has weighed on her for the last 4 years. She performed so much at worlds with a lightness that I've never seen before.
Agree with you. They answered your question themselves by their own statement. They held back a bit at the Olympics - just being careful, They were so relaxed at Worlds especially in that rhythm dance, I pray they do not retire. They have not said anything yet.
They’re not competing this season. :/ I’m curious about who will be the new front runners. I’m looking at maybe Chock & Bates.
Please do not cover the Russian Cup. They are banned for a reason.
I loved worlds. So many feel good moments. So many smiles during the medal ceremonies. Felt like what old figure skating competitions used to be like. Loved it
I've been watching skating for 40+ years, and this Worlds by far was the best and most enjoyable. No toxic Russian drama!!!! So proud of all of the skaters!!!!! Especially proud of Team USA!!! It was just wonderful to watch :))))
Just want to add I've never been a fan of Simon Reed. I think he's way too opinionated and down right rude and has been over the years of listening to him commentating. What he said about Megan Duhamel was way out of line!!!! I also remember he gave his "back handed" compliments to Davis & White all the time. Most especially the 2011 World Championships he declared Virtue & Moir champions before Davis & White even skated. He was OBVIOUSLY biased against Meryl & Charlie. After I heard that, didn't even want to listen to Eurosport videos. We all knew he liked V/M better, but he's supposed to be a professional. I didn't care about his personal opinion and sure many others didn't either. I'm glad they dumped him!!!
Thanks for this video. You guys are great!!!!!
As a person who had the privilege to go to Nationals this year, I thought Hawayek and Baker's free skate was phenomenal. It felt as though the audience was holding their breath the entire time they skated. I wasn't surprised at all when they were selected to go to the Olympics and Worlds.
they are so amazing and so underrated. hopefully they can build on this momentum in the coming seasons.
I was there and you re right, we were holding our breath. I usually like watching them but this time i felt emotionnal during the programm ! 😊
My favorite moment was Roman Sadovsky! That’s what I call redemption. He is a beautiful skater and has some of the best spins I’ve ever seen, and his quad sal was gorgeous. The past weeks must of been very hard for him with his family and relatives in Ukraine. I hope he continues like this because he’s such a beautiful skater.
Amazing how when you remove a certain country, the judging suddenly makes sense and the podiums are filled with joy. What a beautiful, exciting competition. I haven’t said that in years.
So true. I could get used to this.
OMG, seriously! Sure, I did feel some push for Morisi, but everything seemed otherwise “clean.” The sport suddenly makes sense again when you remove certain countries.
@@nondescriptnyc Seriously? Remove certain countries? You mean REMOVING THE BEST?? What makes sense about that?
Omfg ru Gracie Gold
There was something soul-healing about that women's medal ceremony. With all three of them, but especially Loena, you could tell that they'd spent years working as hard as they possibly could and knowing they were never going to get the recognition for it because of the Russian doping, and to be seen and appreciated just meant so much to them.
The International Testing Agency performed all of the testing starting before and during the 2022 Olympic games. They tested 95% of all athletes and reported positive tests on 4 athletes ; One Spanish, two Ukranians, and one Iranian. No Russians. Look it up.
For me, my most emotional moment came when I saw Ashley’s face when she couldn’t continue, and then having that followed up with Alexa and Brandon holding it together and delivering that glorious skate. I had tears in my eyes throughout.
All of the winners🏆 were just happy to be on the podium. Tears of joy flowed from them and it was a joyous competition
LOVED this whole discussion, but especially appreciated the insights on Piper & Paul. Maybe a break is what they need to get inspired again. I hope they take whatever time they need because I'd love to see some exciting and innovative programs from them again. Thank you again for all your work!!! Such a great season of coverage ❤
Oh, I almost forgot - so incredibly impressed by Camden! I thought I would be nervous for him but when I saw him skate out for the free, I stopped worrying early on. He just seemed so sure of himself all of a sudden. There was this weird energy in the arena from skating fans on the edge of their seats ("is he going to do this, with the season that he's had?") and more casual fans who were going "wow, this guy knows how to do it". Really hope this is a turning point for him!
I concur. After his performance at The 4 Continents, I wasn’t expecting much but I was so pleasantly surprised. Moving forward, he prob needs to learn some more quads to be competitive.
You are absolutely right on several points you made about the men. The men who have been ahead of Shoma in recent years kept doing the same programs to different music. Camden should keep going & build on this performance. And, lastly, you were spot on that the difference between Nathan & Vincent is that Nathan is confident & loves what he’s doing. Which is very sad when you think of Vincent and what we know he has endured and what he’s been through that hasn’t leaked out. Ironically, his mother kept him from achieving more success in the sport by pushing him so hard to be Nathan. I shudder to think of what we don’t know about in that situation. I can only hope he can go to college now without his mom around and find a good therapist.
I have to say your entire conversation at the beginning is right on target for why I find figure skating so hard to watch, I mostly only watch the Olympics now. I competed all through my youth, onward into my 30's and also did choreography and I feel like I am watching horrific technique be rewarded with astronomical scores and I can't wrap my head around it. Especially as someone who was taught by someone who was a student of Mister Lussi and being inured in that technique. Thanks for putting all my thoughts into actual words!
there was too much joy here to miss even a second of the dramatics. obviously not everything was perfect and it being a post-olympic worlds meant a lot of these skaters, particularly the women, seemed very exhausted. but i’ve never seen a happier trio of young ladies on that podium. and the men’s event was just fantastic. so many amazing skates. wonderful crowd in montpellier too. the support for the ukrainian national team was wonderful.
Yeah and no support for Russian skaters. Sounds like they don't deserve respect or compassion in your mind.
I enjoyed worlds so much more than the Olympics. So many moments. Can’t express my emotions seeing the Ukrainians skate. So proud of team GB.
This Worlds was so enjoyable - really happy to see Shoma and Kaori as World Champions, and the only thing that made me a bit sad was Junhwan withdrawing because of his broken boot. Also special mention to Natasha McKay - I was really happy that she was able to progress to the freeskate :)
Well done Natasha!
I was almost praying for Shoma. Finally, on the highest step of the pedestal. He can retire happily now 😍😍😍
World Champion Shoma 💜💜💜💜💜
He’s sticking around!! ❤️❤️❤️
THIS is a Worlds that I can watch. Figure skating is supposed to be a blend of the athletic & artistic. That was on full display this weekend and it was glorious to see!
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Really? Can you explain in what way Kaori displays artistry?
I honestly loved kaoris programe at the beginning of the season when most people hated it, im super happy they found an emotional connection to it at last 🌞
Oh, we know ;)
@@TheSkatingLesson love you Dave, you know that
I didn’t get it when I saw it at Skate America and now I can’t stop crying when I watch it - just hits different now. Love her.
I still hate both of her programs but I'm very happy she won. One may like the skater but not their material (which to me happens more often than not).
I didn't like it at first, but it ended up being amazing. And her FS was perfect for the moment with all the teenage Russian doping going on. She is a woman. 😭
This championship was exactly what I needed to restore some of my faith in the sport.
You need glasses
@@collegeofamericanenglish-8478 You need better punctuation.
@@rheinnon Seriously? is that all you could come up with?? And you need new faith.
@@collegeofamericanenglish-8478 You didn't give me much to work with. I put in an equal amount of effort in response. I'm also quite satisfied with my restored faith and feel no need to convert. Besides, I hear the Russian Kool-Aid is adulterated. Toodle-pip!
Super impressive performance by Alexa and Brandon here in only their first full season. They're a very talented pair with many strong qualities and that free skate was beautiful. I was so happy to see them win and really deliver, and they're capable of doing even better. They have a chance to have a much more decorated career with each other than they did with their previous partners if they stay together a few years. They could end up being one of the most successful US pairs in history.
I enjoyed the competition this week more than I have in a very long time. The Ice dance was spectacular.
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So looking forward to your insights! I enjoyed the worlds so much more than I expected. What a breath of fresh air.
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Loved watching the worlds. I did miss Elizaveta Tuktamysheva personally, since I just enjoy her programs and energy, but obviously she would’ve not been the skater from Russia we would have seen anyway… so happy for Kaori and Loena🤩
Loving the content of this channel!
@зашёл почитать комменты it’s not the athletes’ or the peoples’ fault. (:
Thank you Dave and Jonathan!! I looked forward to your discussions since the Worlds started!
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Kazuki continues to impress. That short program and his reaction to it..made me weep..no sob.JSF effed up by not making him the first alternate..He was off 2 wks before worlds doing a photo shoot for a magazine at some Japanese island resort..Then CDP where he did not do well but won..jet lag and all. He is my favorite and gets music better than anyone down to his finger tips. He needs the eyes of a coach on him..not managing his own training in a crowded rink. Call Frank.
Kazuki ❤️❤️
I just joined Patreon, which was definitely worth it for its extra content and CYA live but I so missed your latest This and That with Dave and Jonathan. Been counting the days until Sunday!
I felt throughout the event almost a relief? And it was so nice to see some genuinely happy reactions to top placements versus “meh” which I feel like I grew too used to with a certain schools podium dominance. This was such a palate cleanser after the trauma of the OLY.
Like the Ice Academy of Montreal ! Lol. That really has become a terrible monopoly!!
@@rosie94204 I disagree their monopoly is not detrimental to ice dance. They are not a school who produces cookie cutter ice dance teams. Each team has it own unique style and skill levels differ. The teams have earned their place in the standings, by improving their skating skills, artistry and program choices. They are not automatically given top scores once they come on the scene because of their coaching team. Case in point, Smart/Diaz and Chock/Bates to name a few.
Yeah one thing that always annoyed me was seeing the unhappy reactions to VERY high scores from Eteri's skaters. They would only be happy if it was a PB or a world record, otherwise they would just have a blank reaction or just shrug. Granted they're not the only ones who do that but when they're winning the competition by 20-30 points already, it just looks snobby to expect higher scores.
I’ve only somewhat followed the IAM school since the start of the season. I agree they all have different skating styles, and it seems the coaches embrace that. Those skaters also are genuinely a family. It looks like a great training environment. They don’t churn out cookie cutter skaters like Sambo 70.
YES! I’ve been waiting for this video!!
Americans are pairs champs after 43 years, two ice dance medals, and bronze in the ladies’ and mens’ competitions. 😍🇺🇸🥂
But the biggest thing for me, was Kaori Sakamoto. When the Russians were banned, I thought for sure she’d win this and she did. She was GRACIOUS and cheered for everyone else in her group. She’s the world champion that can also be a LEADER for all the young women and girls who want to skate. Be kind, be thankful, be friendly…she did that in Montpellier.
Also, it was like something was in the air (or lacking) with the Russians out. Maybe it was a less stressful atmosphere, all the competitors seemed to have a huge weight off their shoulders, and I dare say, were having fun. I suppose not having a Dour Deb like Eteri glaring at them while she’s scheming and scamming was nice for once!
'Americans are pairs champs after 43 years, two ice dance medals, and bronze in the ladies’ and mens’ competitions. 😍🇺🇸🥂' Just ridiculous. You are celebrating that they are champs when the Russians and Chinese didn't compete?? Only in this parallel universe did the USA stand a chance at a podium; in this unreal unfair hypocritical dimension.
I think Benoît did do a great job for Adam Siao Him Fa as well as Kaori this season
Thank you for this video! I personally consider you both journalists, so I think you should give your opinions of whatever is happening in the world of figure skating....the good, the bad and the ugly.
Worlds was a breath of fresh air and wonderous. (mostly) agree Cizeron looked amazing 💜
Honestly I haven't really cared for the women's event since 2016 Worlds. Going into 2018 Olympics after what was coming out about the Nasser scandal. My gut told me that bad stuff was happening in Russia to the point of abuse and I could no longer watch. As victum of abuse myself, it was all triggering. I didn't watch gymnastics for almost 5 years going into Tokyo last year. I as a fan feel so validated. I just hate that it took Putin's War to prevent the Russians at Worlds and not the 2022 Beijing Scandal. I really, REALLY hope that all these other nations take the sport back by pushing the ISU, IOC and other federations with influence to actually punish Russia in the future for doping their athletes. This Worlds was just so fun to watch. There was so much joy in the Women's event that I haven't seen in years. Overall the event was just so fun and exciting. I loved people winning Worlds titles and medals they probably thought they may never win.
This World Championships was the best in a while! Not sorry to say that I do not miss the Russian skaters - the skaters that competed here gave us real figure skating, not just jumping, and without the shadow of doping. You guys make a lot of great points on Team Tutberidze, the ridiculous judging/scoring coming from certain countries' federations, actual figure skating analysis vs. the vapid shallow commentary provided by commentators like Johnny & Tara...these things NBC tend not to bother to delve into, and makes me wonder where are our veteran figure skaters to actually inform us viewers what we really want to know beyond 'That quad is worth X points!!'.
Congratulations to the women's World medallists Kaori, Loena and Alysa! They skated clean and earned their spots. Alysa helped earn US women 3 spots for next year! She's improved so much. While You Young and Wakaba Higuchi made mistakes that left them off the podium, it was still good to see them; thanks to You Young and Yelim Kim, they've earned South Korea 3 spots too. Good thing SKfed chose them this turn; it's the smartest thing they've done yet. Glad for US for winning gold in pairs, and Miura/Kihara winning Japan's first World medal in pairs! The men's event was predictable, Japan going 1-2. Shoma getting his first World title and Yuma winning silver was good, and Vincent was able to get on the podium after not making it to compete in Beijing. Ilia Malinin is the future of US men's skating; he's going to make it to Milano-Cortina 2026. The ice dance podium was predictable; I was more excited to see the Spanish team perform their Zorro FD.
Best world championships in ladies field since 2013.
This world's was weird. I wasn't really looking forward to it but the men's event was really exciting and I loved seeing Vincent finally get a medal
Surprisingly I really enjoyed all the recent figure skating competitions. So many emotional moments and unity on the podium. The ladies division will take some time to heal after years of corrupt judging and overly inflated GOE's for cheated jumps. I loved that the competition was more balanced and the diversity in flags in the top positions. There were definately improvement in the skating skills of many.
On the CBC broadcast, Kurt Browning said he couldn't tell the difference between Morisi's quad salchow and quad toe -- he said they all looked like quad salchows to him (I thought the same), and therefore, he would be doing three of the same jump, which isn't allowed. Morisi was credited for a quad toe. I was very glad he didn't medal because, as Dave said, that would open up yet another discussion that we really don't want to have to have.
A frequent discuss about Moris! See our Olympic Men’s recap!
He should just claim 2 of the 3 quads as Salchows since they have higher base points.
Sometimes I wonder if morisi get eteri points too despite coming from a not so powerful fed 😂. He honestly got good physique but his techniques are 😔. That Aladdin gala is quite entertaining tho I'd say
It was a really enjoyable event! Men & Dance were sooo good! First time in ages I felt true joy watching ladies. So happy for Kaori, Loena and Alyssa. Kinda sad Wakaba didn't won a medal, but I believe she will come back stronger next season
I did not expect that this Worlds will be as exciting without the Russians, Sui & Han, Nathan, and Yuzu. But the stories and feel good moments made it extraordinary.
I look forward to your analysis of the event before I feel dealing with the post season slump
Post season slump is right. I'm still sad that they're keeping Valieva from our eyes; just hope her coaches don't discard her because she's made a huge impression on people, even non skating fans recognize that she's like a Michael Jordan of fs. I hope that preserve her body because she's too beautiful to be shielded, but don't have high hopes of her coaches
I am very happy that the World Championship went over so well; however, I feel that people are over compensating in their pleasure that Russia was excluded. Albeit, the entire Ukraine War is tragic and I pray for all Ukrainians worldwide. We shouldn’t correlate Sport and Politics.
@@primalcritters Kamila's FS & SP both are on You Tube. She looks good, but her free skate only had one quad and no triple axels, so it was pretty damn clean. You don't need to worry about her. Everybody was cheering her on, and when she finished people were crying
@@trylogic4084 thank you. I just wish they would get rid of the quadruple jobs because it's impossible as they grow. I don't want her to get her back injured
@@primalcritters So disappointing that they didn't do spirals anymore because she would have beautiful ones with her flexibility.
Great opening Jonathan!
Me again, I really appreciate that you always have Megan’s back.
Hope she is on the show again soon.
CBC has our figure skating retired stars commentating sometimes.
Kevin Reynolds and Kaitlyn Weaver are really good 👍
One of my favorite Worlds. Knierim and Frazier were such a bright spot and it was great to see them get their first international win. I hope they can see how great they are and how they're improving both as a team and as individuals. Hopefully this won't be a flash in the pan partnership and they'll give themselves at least a couple years to build on their successes. It's too strong of a pair to dissolve this quickly. As you mentioned, this is a fantastic chance for them to be strong medal contenders at every event next season. They have a special kind of athleticism and energy, they could easily go until 2026 physically. But one year at a time. I think a good rest this summer will recharge them.
I am a Russian living in Canada for the last 18 years and I vote for you guys not to cover Russian competitions anymore. You know why? Because they - Russian authorities - will continue their state doping program and huge state investments into the sport until they realize nobody is interested, until they realize those achievements are not strengthening Russia's image anymore. And it is all for the benefit of athletes: once the State is not much interested, the athletes won't be pushed so hard to work until they literally break. All these injuries from over-exploiting of athletes, we all can contribute to changing the system. It will help the next generation of Russian athletes and will hopefully let them stay healthy while doing their favorite sport.
... I just cannot forget Medvedeva's answer to the question: "What made you special as a figure skater when you were young?" She replied: "Probably my bones were healing fast..." Can you imagine the level of over-training and over-load for kids in Russian sport? We need to do something to make it stop!
Duality/hypocrisy. Choose the word
в части фигурного катания -- Дура, остальное, верно, но предвзято как всегда
The Worlds was such a pleasant event and the French Audience were so supported. The only heart breaks were when skaters did not have their best skates, especially ones who might retire like Karen Chen and Kegan Messing. You wanted them to have skates to be proud of. There were many skaters that had their best day ever which was joyful and the winners all seemed fair.
keegan said he would like to do at least one more season. :)
@@badmiracle Good news. He is just so fun to watch and brings such heart to his performances!
Keegan really had it tough just traveling to the Olympics and missing the Team event. Glad to hear he’s sticking it out for a bit more.
It felt old school and nostalgic because of the quality of skating being rewarded, not just jumps. If only i could watch it with Italian commentary. The years i lived in Italy i actually understood figure skating better due to the explaining Italian commentators do when it comes to scoring.
I loved this Worlds because I loved the crowd. I felt as if people showed up with flags of each nation and cheered for everyone, no matter where they in the audience, came from. You know you really love skating when you are choked up by a clean skate by someone who wouldn’t even make top 10. But it didn’t matter, cuz you recognized how awesome it must feel to skate a clean program at Worlds. The audience mirrored that excitement. There was a genuine love of the sport by both skaters and the audience. We all kind of needed this. The dance podium epitomized what skating should be.
So true. The audience cheered for those who were having a not so good skate, letting them know it’s ok to falter. Loved that.
The crowd had the best signs!! Some beautiful and unique handmade ones
Such a lovely supportive and knowledgeable crowd!
Thank you so much guys - loved each of the disciplines - no complaints anywhere - joy all round.
Alexa ALWAYS believed in her ability to be a World Champion!
I'm very excited for Satoko's professional career! Stars on Ice Japan starts this week (4/2 and 4/3) so it'll be interesting to see what she skates to
2.5 hours of TSL? What a treat!
The mere fact that the two of you are having to spend so much time rationalizing about showing the Russian event is telling you that you shouldn't. Given the reasons that the Russian event exists also tells you that you shouldn't give any publicity to the event. Who cares who wins; you already know the scores will be strange. Also, I agree with previous commenters on how happy and actually friendly this Worlds appeared to be; it was really refreshing.
Boycott and sanction, please!
I cannot get enough of your content! So thoughtful and informative! Thank you so much!
You are so welcome!
World's was just so fabulous! There was real excitement and such lovely figure skating!
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My two cents on whether or not you should cover the chanel one figure skating cup. I don't think you should. It gives some credence to it, and allows Russia to promote their politics both in relation to the ukraine war and their stance on doping. Russian figure skaters are given national honors and government support and publicity. As such they are political figures, even if they haven't chosen it themselves. Russia uses them as political promotion, and as such the event should not be given publicity.
I loved the world championship especially the feel of the ladies event, where there was a feeling of hope and relief amongst the competitors, and so much joy on the podium.
Great video! This is my favorite worlds of all time! So Overjoyed with the results and uplifted emotionally after a disturbing Olympics. Finally a fair contest. All the gold medalists deserved it. So impressed with Alexa and Brandon and they better not quit. Alyssa Liu exceeded expectations and the coaching change prove to be a good idea. Ilia Malinin is a superstar in the making. I agree with Jonathan I think physically the wind got knocked out of him in that fall. There's always a fine line between arrogance and confidence, but so true that false humility and insecurity will get you nowhere. Ilia has good reason for his confidence and swagger. I don't see the Russians coming back either, at least not anytime soon, so I can't wait to see what happens with skating this year.
Hawayek/Baker’s FD is pure magic. I loved to watch it every time they skated this season. ❤️ so happy for Papadakis/Cizeron. They’re in another level of elegance, beauty and everything. These Worlds were pure joy. Lovely competition to follow. Thanks for the show, guys! 🥰🥰
I love Hawayek & Baker. They are so underscored. I hope the judges start giving them fair marks. The ice dance competition was just wonderful. P/C, H/D and C/B are ALL so talented and just a joy to watch!!
I did shred a tear when Alexa got her gold medal, so deserved! She’s a great pair scater.
But overall I missed Kolyada and Liza. Hope they can participate in the future events as neutral athletes. My dream :)
The women's event was just a joy from start to finish- I can finally feel good watching it again and was so happy for the podium, especially Loena!! But also Kaori obviously, she was my favourite of the Japanese women when people were still complaining about her not being elegant enough. Also, when Alysa landed the axel, that was a real "wow"-moment in the arena - and the program looked so mature, as well.
Oh I wouldn't say Kaori lacks elegance. She has just as much elegance as any sumo wrestler I've seen.
I like when there is a diversity of styles, like in ice dancing. Kaori’s style reminds me of Hubble/Donahue. She is powerful in her skating, melding that power with artistry. The music in her free program spoke of the power, joy and love that women exudes, perfect for her. Leona’s skating is my favorite. She portrays a picture of her programs theme with her skating. Alysa brings the youthful joy to skating. All of the skaters seemed to skate give their best and enjoy the moment.
Watching worlds this year was genuinely refreshing. So lovely to see all the wonderful moments and stories ❤️
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I am painfully meal prepping, refreshing and waiting, and lo and behold, here you are. Thank you
Hope you enjoy
Haha, me too!
OMG same here 🤣
Love seeing your faces! Kaori was GORGEOUS!!!!!!
Watching this year's world championships, I felt liberated from the oppression of the Russian influence on the sport. All the skaters skated with a joy and freedom we have not seen in awhile. Also, even though the technical merit of the skaters influenced the overall scores, there was still a sense of celebrating all of the skaters who performed well at their own level. Also, there were many really good artistic performances. Many of the skaters connected with their music in delightful ways. It was the best competition I've seen in a long while.
Liberated is a great way to put it. It was refreshing to have a clean competition regardless of who won
You worded that perfectly. It did feel like being liberated. I did not miss the Russian influence at all. I hope that the IJS will use this break as an opportunity to reevaluate things.
I agree. I have not watched many of the Women’s competitions in the last 4 years, but this event was a great. All the ladies seemed to step it up a notch. The artistry was equal to the technical ability. We had three different skating styles of skaters on the podium but they all added artistry as much as possible, which had been missing for me. So great to see the happiness.
This worlds was wonderful, it reminded me why I became a figure skating fan. JSF, USFS and Canada have a lot of work to do, and they need to start TODAY! They need to press the ISU to clean up the judging, the rules, and the leadership before Russia gets back.
Do you really think corruption and cheating with judging exist only if the Russians are there? Lmao. 😂
I know you don't like the bolero very much, but having seen it in the arena, I have to say, that program composition is absolute genius - the fact that it doesn't end with the spins, for one, which almost every other program does and where you often go "right, this is basically it, final 2 spins now" - here there's just Shoma's explosion of a step sequence and then bam, you're done! For the casual fans who haven't seen it a lot, it was a collective gasp of "Oh my god, it's over!". And yes, he does well with the softer music, but this showed off his power more - bolero makes inadequate skaters look tiny, it made our little Shoma look taller :-)
It's a trash empty program, only the StSq is good and this is precisely the reason why it's in the very end of the program. Judges will remember what happened in the last 30 seconds not the 3.5 minutes crossovers and 2foot skating before it.
Lol, must be hard for some people not to be able to have their obsessive Nathan/Yuzu discussions in the comments. The program was as "empty" as a five quad, two triple axel program unfortunately has to be, but still choreographically better than most five quad programs I've seen over the years. I didn't mind the crossovers much here and I just love his intensity in every move that he does. But have fun being bitter if you want to. Some people unfortunately are a fan of a skater and not of skating - the fans of skating I know thought this was great ;-)
@@113musikpolizei6 Those 'fans of skating' probably have no idea how this sport works including the judging, this is why they love everything they see. This is funny that no one can criticise a performance anymore and everyone who does it are not 'real skating fans' and 'fans of only one skater'. I bet I attended more events in the past 25 years than you and know more about this sport than you or those 'real skating fans'.
Shoma's Bolero is empty, for his crossovers over crossovers he should get much lower transitions score, end of debate. His technique is highly problematic (his floop wasn't called this time either), his GOEs are overscored and he shouldn't have got near 200 for 4T UR, floop, 3F pop and 1 combo less free skate.
@@flywings111 Sorry, must have made assumptions about your username. People often say these things without any idea what they mean. I've been following skating for over 20 years, I understand the issues you are talking about but still find it unfair and bitter to call this an "empty, trashy program" - one can criticise without being insulting, I guess I then replied in the tone you set. If you can give me a five quad, 2 axel program from any skater that is less "empty", go ahead - and don't say Hope and Legacy, while I love that to bits and have watched the Worlds performance inumerable times it isn't exactly full of
choreo
I agree. Bolero is one of my favorite Shoma programs. It’s “Sholero.” Worlds was his best performance of it.
2022 Championship was an exciting one, not because it was zero-doping one, nor it was with no Russians, but it was “THE HAPPY EVENT” amid wars, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, tornado, airplane crash with no survivors,…… so many dark news rampant on line.
I am super happy for Alexa and Brandon. Their win also proves that North Americans have the qualities being on the top of the podium in pairs. I think the federations need to build support to further this momentum. The previous success of Meryl and Charlie, Tessa and Scott (both teams were set up when they were 8 or 9 years old) proved what Elena Bechke said-the difference of Russian’s decades win in pairs was that Russians grew their pairs from kids.
Definitely a HAPPY EVENT, for sure. The sheer joy among the skaters was omnipresent at this event. I hope things will continue to improve this way!!!
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Yuma is also SO young, I think(and hope) that innate performer that a lot of us feel will come out sooner or later! I'm already in love with his skating skills and technique that it doesn't bother me as much as others- which is fair enough
For whatever reason, this Worlds championship seemed more enjoyable without knowing who will win in the men and pair competition.
It felt like the skaters had more motivation knowing that each medal is up for grabs.
For ladies, I kind of wished to see Kaori winning, and honestly her reaction after her SP was priceless. I missed that kind of joy! Loena deserved a medal since the Europeans so I am glad it finally happened. Yet, I deeply feel that You was way too underscored and she deserved at least a small 🥉 for the SP. She is gorgeous and she deserves more appreciation from the panel.
Overall it was a great competition, and I agree that without the Russian Tutberitze drama we could just seat back and enjoy, yet I don’t feel is fair to ban skaters or athletes from a certain country, for the actions of their politicians. We can all agree that doping isn’t right either, yet we cannot claim that all Russian skaters use the doping to enhance their performance.
In a way a competition without Kolyada, who’s skating is pure textbook, or without Tuktamisheva, Boikiva and Kozlovskii, feels a bit odd.
Let’s see what comes next…
Waiting anxiously for this episode, yaaaaayyyyy 😆😆😆😆 This Worlds was aaaweeesome!! Peaceful, joyful, drama free!!!😂 And a happy ceremony medal!!!
I felt calm and happy watching World's, too.
these worlds were AMAZING!! i was watching with my family and we all were so thrilled for shoma. i was also suprised how i missed hanyu here.the excitment by literally doing nothing, just that aura in competitions is something yet unreplaceble:/
Re: Nationality discussion, I think it means a lot for fandom. Yuna was and is such an icon in Korea because she was born and raised in Korea. I don’t think she would have had such a humongous impact if she was a transfer from a different federation.
Thanks Dave and Jonathan! Loved this worlds. It was such a joy to watch❤️… Makes you realize how corrupt the system has been for so long.
This was the perfect Worlds. I loved it!! We had clean athletes that won medals and had beautiful and mature skating.
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Also how is eteri going to buy her coats if the ruble is worth basically nothing?!?
While Mariah’s skating isn’t my fave, I did feel badly for her that she was coach-less in what should have been a pivotal moment in her career. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did continue because the judges seem to realllly love her despite her technical content inexplicably. I’m fine with her getting high PCs, but I’m always surprised by her jump GOE after seeing some of those eeked out triples.
Why wasn't Raf or Adam with her?
@@virginiana3783 Someone said Raf was tired after the Olympics and Adam had a previous engagement. ? Maybe someone else will comment.
@@virginiana3783 Raf is tired and he's really not her main coach anymore. Adam had other things to do. Not sure why Vera didn't go, maybe family Raf took a vacay and again... Adam is her coach. If Adam wants to be seen as a serious coach Mariah should have been his priority. He was hamming it up at the Olympics.
Agreed. It always seems like she barely gets by in the jump category, but then her scores don’t reflect that deficit… I feel like at this level, you shouldn’t be celebrating that you “landed” all the jumps at the end when the program only consisted of triples and double axel. She doesn’t even do a 2A in combination anymore, she does a sequence with 2A being the second jump (less points). Her skating skills, spins and artistry are gorgeous, but her jumps are lacking. Maybe it’s time for a new coach that will better support her?
@@Dolly_junkie That single Triple toe in the free skate! It’s so nice to see someone skate with joy, but it seems like others are having to do a lot more than her to get by.
Absolutely not!!!!! With the doping scandal still on going why would you want to cover!!! United States still has not been given their team medals!!! All because of team Eteri!!!!