This and That: 2022 Nebelhorn Trophy & Russian Test Skates (Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova)
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- This week, Deanna Stellato and Maxim Deschamps, Lilah Fear and Lewis Gibson, Loena Hendrickx and Keegan Messing claimed gold at the 2022 Nebelhorn Trophy. Then, the Russians broke the internet with the most over-the-top test skates to date. It had a red carpet, theatrics and a Kamila Valieva free skate that left everyone talking. It was a return from the abyss for Adeliia Petrosian, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Evgenia Tarasova and Vladimir Morozov, Sofia Akateva, Anastasia Mishina and Aleksandr Galliamov, Mark Kondratiuk, Dmitri Aliev, Eteri Tutberidze and Mikhail Kolyada. It is another jam-packed episode of 'This and That'.
This and That: 2022 Nebelhorn Trophy & Russian Test Skates (Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova)
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Literally hollered when Dave said he was jealous they didn’t use any of their sound bites for Kamila’s audio 😂😂
You guys always keep me laughing!
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I love watching both of you I am regular each week so looking forward to this every time you post something ❤
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OMG!! This was so entertaining that I watched it twice!! Thankyou!!!!
Yayyy there's still love for our chaotic Dima Aliev
I’ll listen out for you both in Diana & Gleb’s programs!
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Just finished TSL Live. Now time for This and That!! Thanks for all the coverage! :)
ditto!
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I’m here for the pairs. Have you already discussed Russian pairs? That was an awesome show :)
It was too awsome to discuss, I guess.
@@xmyza Not all of it was ''too awsome'', Mishina Gallyamov SP was really beautiful.
If you think so... My comment was about something else entirely though.
Germany: Let's livestream Nebelhorn Trophy for free
Russia: Let's stream the test skate to show the world that we are the best (despite what happened last Olympics and the war going on)
USFS: Let's keep champs camp a secret and relegate US skating to Peacock.
Where do you think there will be more views, the Nebelhorn or the Russian test figure skating?
both days of the test skates are on you tube. the complete braodcast
The life of ordinary people and athletes who are IN NO WAY RELATED TO THE WAR stops from this? Why do you watch the performance of Russian figure skaters?
I want to say it's the start of the season and I want to say thank you for keeping us update. Will you do another As the Blade Turn
I will~
I just just want to say,after sitting up til around 4am here in Aust,what a show Russian can put together👏🏼👏🏼Loved to see the gritty and beautiful Empress continue to shine amongst the younger ones. Alexei’s bunch of beautiful roses stood out.
That shady opening is everything 🤣!
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Have been looking forward to this, since I saw the Russian Test Skates ❤
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Love you guys. I haven't been watching lately, but I'm back. ALWAYS an engaging and scintillating show. Looking forward to more great content. LOL @ Nationally Promiscuous! That could have been said about me in my younger days.
Welcome back!
Thanks guys. Deanna is the reigning "grand dame" of figure skating. Her positions in the lifts are magnificent.
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Ready for Deanna’s champion era 🙃
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Thank you both for another episode! Keep up the hard work!
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I don't get how Eteri and co. can give Kamila a program about the "evil west" scrutinizing her when it was them who threw her to the wolves. The audacity. She only had to pull down her hood to cover her face because they left her to deal with the media all by herself. One of the coaches should have been with her at all times since her parents couldn't be present. I also don't think that a (then) 15 year old would come up with the idea to take a banned substance all by herself. How much she knew will always remain a mystery, but it was the adults around her who put her in that situation. Sadly, it seems like she's gotten completely brian washed by the Russian narrative around her and is being used for propaganda. She's a product of the twisted system she grew up in and may never even realize it.
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Well said!
Leave Eteri alone!
I know this sounds messed up but I always wondered if Valieva knew she was taking a banned substance because she wanted to win so badly. You just never know people.
Ересь,которую вы написали,уму непостижимо.Для запада нет ничего святого.Ваша ментальность не стыдится воевать с маленькой девочкой.Все испугались Камилу,потому как ей нет равных.И вашим фигуристкам никогда не достигнуть того,чего может эта девочка.У нас много талантливейших спортсменок.А вы опустились до такой низости,потому что никогда,слышите никода не дойтете до их уровня.Когда вы возможно научитесь прыгать четверные,наши ультраси будут пятого уровня.Вы не понимаете одного ,мы РОССИЯНЕ!!!.,и этим сказано все.Народ,который никогда не будет прогибаться..Народ-победитель!!!А,что вы можете?Только из подтишка попортить воздух.Или же грязными фейками и словесным поносом погадить нам.Запомните мы встанем умоемся и пойдем дальше.А вы копайтесь в своем дерьме.,ибо более ничего не можете.и не умеете.
For those who didn’t understand Kolyda’s program with crazy hands in gloves. This strange choreography beautifully suits the music called “tango in mental hospital”. The main character thinks he is seducing and dancing with beautiful girl, but he doesn’t realize that he’s dancing with himself in the in his white isolated little room in mental clinic.
It was brilliant. Misha us a great interpreter.
Misha's skating is hideous. No wonder he is perfect to play mentally ill.
This tango is part of Schnittke's opera named "Life with an idiot". As a punishment for some misdeeds, the main character had to take an idiot to his house. It turned out to be a certain Vladimir, who at first behaved very quietly, but over time his behavior changed so much that the owner was forced to declare MARTIAL LAW in his house.
This is Russian culture, gentlemen: having plunged into it once, you will never touch the ground under your feet again.
I am aware but every program should translate to a wider audience who may or may not be familiar with an opera or film. Have to assume not all have seen. Kolyada is so missed.
Thank you for the scoop! Artistically, for me, Kolyada is head and shoulders above everyone else. Best of both the men and the women!
Omg the opening was everything!
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Timestamps in progress:
0:00 Introduction
0:06 the DrAmA (lol)
0:30 Russian Test Skates
0:56 Tuktamysheva reference
2:15 Montpelier Worlds mentioned
2:21 Nebelhorn Trophy
2:23 Leona Hendrickx
2:50 Back to Russian Test Skates
3:35 Christine Brennan (reference to Valieva Free Program I’m assuming)
5:29 Dave and hoodies.
21:35 Russian Men
21:56 Kolyada
22:07 Dmitri Aliev
22:16 Samarin
22:37 Back to Kolyada
24:15 back to Aliev
24:30 Mark Kondratiuk
25:28 Sofia Samodelkina
27:00 Trusova watching Mark
27:14 Evgenia Semenenko
27:41 Trusova
28:23 Tuktamysheva (defying the odds)
21:35 Russian men
@@shomaunofan8486 thanks!!!
I really enjoy this!!! I laughed so much.🤣 There were so many great moments I can’t pick a specific one. Thank you! ❤
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Looking good in the hoodies guys!!
Thank you!~
If Eteri can torture Valieva w/a program that re-lives her Olympic Games, then perhaps Eteri should have made Trusova skate to a reenactment of her hearing the final results of the competition 🤔🤔
I would not put it past her 💀
Maybe they should make a program where Diana Davis interprets actually having musicality and edges
That’s the free that she didn’t skate!
Kamila does not hide her past but comes forward stronger and defies all the bullies who try to mock her by their false pity.
LOL!!!
Just watched Mark Kondratiuk's free skate and it reminded me of that 92 SNL Olympic parody with Jason Priestly.
I've finally succumbed to Covid, so I'm thoroughly enjoying all the drama installments while I feel sorry for myself in bed. I hope you're all doing okay!
I hope you feel better!
@@TheSkatingLesson thank you so much 💙
They would draft that way lol!! Im dying 🤣
have to say cant wait for the tbis werks eposde since i have no doubt you will speak about sasha apparently leaving eteri again , a lot
does anyone know where to stream Ondrej Nepela???
Please I was so excited for this episode. As soon as I heard Kamilas music I KNEW this episode was going to be juicy
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I think that Kamila’s short program is the same since 3 years but last year was still the best program! I like her free but don’t like the idea.I don’t really like Trusovas program but I don’t hate the costume. I just hope that she takes a little break and than comes back stronger!!!!
Oh, we’re watching 👍
"Eteri is inherently camping in the best way..." sums it up! I hate that I watched test skates like it was everything. Thanks fellas for your analysis of this mess.🙏
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“The house that Tonya built” about C. Brennan😂 & “Nationally Fluid.” 💀
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honestly, love the hoodies. idk what it is about them but they work. feels young!!
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I taught myself to do triples; my coach had to catch up to me. He would give me the instructions, and I would just do what he said. Amazing how that works!
Even though every once in a while my coach was kind enough to "donate" lessons to me, my family didn't have a lot of money for coaching and ice time, so I knew every minute counted.
Good for you!
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Based on the rinkside commentary I’ve heard, Kazuki Tomono often has to coach himself while practicing…I don’t think his coach does much coaching, if you know what I mean. I wish he had a coach capable of helping him actually put the pieces together. He would do well. Unfortunately he doesn’t have that right now imho. I could be wrong. But that is what I’ve observed.
Here's what I thought was interesting about Fear and Gibson's free skate scores: I was really surprised to see this MiStW1+MiStM2 and OFTW1+OFTM2. What happened there?
They often get lower levels in the step sequences than the other top teams, but I guess this was just a particularly bad day for them?
Just started watching.
The hoodie moment, guys 😂🫶🏼
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I'm surprised you guys didn't talk about the new German pair Efimova and Blommart. To me they are the ones to watch, more so than Deanna and Max.
I loved seeing Mishina and Galliamov in Team Moskvina jackets instead of Team Russia.
Yes we need Kolyada and Tuk in Team Mishin jackets as well :)
The cinematic Kami and Eteri hug moment 😱
Not for the cameras at all...
Dave would have been out of job, had it not been for Eteri. He should really start paying her royalties😂😂
Not even the champions have been given so much attention…
@@elenamastiukova2787 Lmao how many more comments do you wanna make? You are head to toes down Eteri's butthole, we got it
@@TheSkatingLesson , not for the cameras 'cause it doesn't suit the popular "Eteri is a monster" rhetoric? LOL.
@@undefeated_romantic1692just look up how Eteri treated kamila in the kiss and cry before Eteri got a lot of bullshit after the valieva scandal …. Than you’ll understand what people mean when they say “for the cameras” … Eteri is trying to be on the good side again
Does anyone know where I can watch the full test skates with English subtitles?
Nowhere, thanks to CZcams
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Team Tutberidze honestly stooped to a NEW LOW. Forcing a young girl to relive her trauma when it was THEIR FAULT that this happened in the first place and abandoned her to deal with the press/media on her own. They are truly heartless people that don't give a damn about their students' well-being and they deserve to be banned from coaching internationally.
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Читайте интервью Камилы, она сама согласилась катать эту программу, не нужно из неё делать жертву жестоких тренеров
@@natalie_lucky oh, she "agreed". Right.
Whatever she did when she tried to make the Olympics in 2018…
That is so good and correct.
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I feel like it will now be a rite of passage to for every skater to have a Tango de Roxanne program. Way to many tango programs anyway but that one is the 2000's version of Malaguena.
LOVE the self-irony in Diva Stellato choosing a Diva Cleopatra number. This is a true signature program.
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Never clicked on a notification so fast
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“this is the greatest shiтshow of a school we have ever seen” 💀💀
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Russian Figure Skating is outdoing every reality show that I ever watched. Far better anything running right now.
But I am sorry that Valieva is put through it again, she is still a child.
Btw, David, Trusova did not skated in the long program becouse they say she has a horrible back injury.
Yes. I hope she can recover.
@@TheSkatingLesson I do not wanna sound mean, but the Eteri expiration date is getting close. If I am not mistaken, she turned 18 a few months ago. Hope I am wrong.
@@loredanaagafitei623 Trusova is 18 and let’s not write her off just yet
They said it's a small injury...but painful. So not a horrible one if we decide to believe them.
Dave, do you know if athletes could be accompanied in the mix zone at the Olympics. Eteri’s fans are screaming all over the Russian segment that nobody could be in a mix zone with Kamila. They had to get a special permission to accompany her after the incident.
As much as I want to support valieva's programme. SHE was caught cheating. It wasn't discrimination
Exactly.
It's disgusting to exploit it this way, this will be going to court soon and Kamila's career could be ruined...and her coaches come up with THIS program!
I don't believe Kamila doped on her own initiative, someone gave it to her. The adults in her life failed her and are now using her trauma as performance art
Russians will never admit that.
@@biscuitcase83 Kamilla is playing into the idea though. She has accepted to be used for propaganda purposes.
@@Jeremy-wp4yh i don’t think i would use accepted… she was most likely manipulated by her coaches and her country…
@@Jeremy-wp4yh That's what makes it all so sad, she's just a kid caught up in the greed and unethical behaviour of the very people who are supposed to protect her.
Trusova has a back injury so she didn't skate the free. Hoping she takes this time to rest and doesn't overwork herself. I liked her short this year because it was just fun and she doesn't have any reason to take herself too seriously this season since they can't compete internationally.
1:14:20 You probably confused Kazuki's Fledermaus FS with his rock Miyavi ex (Nebelhorn had a gala with lights on)
That’s exactly what I was thinking of!
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Finishing time stamps after work tomorrow
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Kamila's free program is amazing 👏 you cannot deny her talent
@Марина Россия3 tu es nulle
She is talented of course but her amazing consistency last season was suspicious from the beginning and now they found her guilty of doping. No matter how talented she is, she needs to be punished, otherwise what kind of example does it set?
In the test skates we could see "clean" Kamila: slow speed, slow spins, no quads or 3A, she had to pause for 10sec in the middle of the program. She is still talented, but not 50+ points ahead everyone else like they tried to make it look last year
@@kthy31 да самые быстрые ваши фигуристы катаются медленнее во сто раз
@@kthy31 puberty arrival hasn't crossed your mind... that's so pity that ppl can be so easily brainwashed... all professional sports is about support drugs, including American, Norwegian, Chinese, Japanese... the only difference is thay some get caught, some not
Semenenko is dealing with a leg injury, so that's why he didn't jump quads or a 3A.
Yes! I've been saying this since the first time I saw them. Carpenter/Spiridonov are doing a poor man's version of Green/Parsons' FS last year. And they're not doing it well. I do love the red costume, though. This is the first year that the ice dance ladies don't have to wear dresses in the free dance. Yay!
am lllooking forward to seeing the Brown new program
Parabéns
I gotta say that on the camp/cheese factor scale (aside from occasional pantomime) Tutberidze etc is not by far the worst. I mean, Adam's flock of birds (beautiful though it was), Mariah smiling all the way through Hallelujah (which at this point in itself is camp when used in figure skating), all the lion kings with ridiculous costumes - common!
Ever since I saw the hood I was waiting. Thank guys.
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Timestamps anyone?? Let me know, I can try to do them. I will get started soon!
Yes please 😊
@@altheaayralacara4035 on it
That intro 🤣😂🤣😂
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I‘m surprised you didn’t mention the short program of Adelia Petrosyan, the only one I truly enjoyed!
Do you think she will consider competing for Armenia?
My thought for today: there's not enough drama, snark, and tears in figure skating.
Thus we need TSL to inject *more* of that into the sport....much, much more! 🤣🤣🤣
Your videos are very entertaining (and insightful), keep 'em coming.
I am listening to the show at my 2 am lunch break. And I loved the rider cup.
I meant the riders ladies championship
I hope you enjoy it!
After what Eteri perpetrated at the Olympics last February, this is a new LOW, even for her. Bridge burned.
Yeah you would think the bar couldn't get any lower but leave it to Eteri to drill that damn bar into the ground
"Есть такие люди, к которым просто хочется подойти и поинтересоваться, сложно ли без мозгов жить…" Ф. Раневская. Имейте свои мозги, а не то что чем вас кормит ваше СМИ!!!!
@@user-iy2qf2mc4i that would be about the same thing i would tell the russians with their so called special operation that mysteriously requires untrained boys to military service.. sad life isnt it
She's not going to be a child forever. Someday she will realize that she's been used by Eteri, not just once but again, now.
Through this program Kamila tells HER own story, not some fictional character’s. That’s why it’s so powerful and touching. It made thousands of people cry unlike no other program in history of figure skating. People who watched her program gave her a standing ovation. Kamila has every right to do it instead of pretending it never happened.
Bravo Eteri and her team! Even being isolated from the world figure skating, they have all eyes on them!
Thanks!!!!!!
Welcome!
IMHO size is always relevant when discussing pairs and dance, and not in a mean-spirited way. It's something I always notice! Of course, we all know one can't discuss weight these days. Height is always a factor, and I wondered if the Nebelhorn announcer wasn't thinking more of height than weight when he made his comments. Thinking about the partnerships of Marissa Castelli/ Simon Shnapir, Sui and Han, Cain and LeDuc, Hawayek and Baker, and many others. These teams all have different challenges (or sometimes advantages) due to their height.
bro i knew you guys would have a field day with the kamila fiasco lmaoo
but can we appreciate eteri's crocodile tears like someone give this lady an oscar
She is always going for the Oscar!
@@TheSkatingLesson who knew she could cry when her face can't move?
@@lild2515 People who watch more than Dave’s hateful comments did. This isn’t the first time Eteri cried after her athlete skate.
What you saw as a fiasco was in reality a standing ovation.
@@elenamastiukova2787 Yes I also saw that as a standing ovation for a program that shows all the rage of innocence.
In any case, it's probably one of the prettiest choreographic works we've seen in a long time, it was Wow! and moreover all the students of Eteri have taken care of their choreography this season. When it's deserved I say it.
At the same time, Mr Lease! Is not the person who presented Shoma Uno on a video as an Incel ? "This Incel", he just publicly introduced his girlfriend...
@@christinebordes9991 They say the beauty is in the eyes of beholder)) It’s great you have appreciation for the beauty regardless of nationality, bias, etc.
I didn’t understand your comment regarding Shoma, did you mean these two are dating?
I thought Adelia Petrosyan’s SP was sensational! Why didn’t you like it? The only SP that stood out for me.
Yes, Adelia's SP was wonderful, really something, they even didn't mention it! My first desire was to write the same.
Because they Are jealous
Agree. My favorite SPs were those of Adelia, Sofia M. and Sofia S.
@@sophien.1422 Yes, SP of Sofia S. and Sofia M. were very good, despite of some difficulties
I don’t think she takes enough time to finish her movements - even her crossovers. It becomes rushed and sloppy. The SP music is much better than the FS.
I am still watching the Russian ladies only for Tuktamysheva but danggg that FS was making me sleep
With everything that has been happening in Russia lately, the ridiculousness of the test skate event stands out even more
Oh yes
Of course, Russia should ban its skaters just as ISU did in order to please you. You wish.
So a couple days ago I read in twitter that kamilas fs was gonna be this and I remember being like, 'no way, they'd never really stoop this low' and then I saw and was like 'oh damn they really went there'
Also it makes me wonder about the timing of the this program in the test skates and the reveal of the B sample beine positive as well/ RUSADA news. It seems to me all of this was timed to generate maximum sympathy for kamila despite the fact that clearly mostly everyone really blames the coaches. And the coaches are flat out deflecting the blame. Truly incredible...everytime I think they've hit their low, they keeping stooping lower...
OFC its all’ calculated. The only purpose of this test skates was to portray Kamila as a hero . Other girls were pretty much non existent at this test skates 😂😂
It’s sad particularly when Eteri and team appear to gloat!
Of course, they went there. They pictured her as a martyr from the start. The "good girl close to her grandfather" and so on and now a martyr from the country that is shunned by the west. I'm just sad for the girls that are caught in this. It feels like the Nazi propaganda during WW2.
@@GrippiAlex And they achieved their goal. I am deeply satisfied with the hysteria of Eteri's haters.
@@grigol101 Not haters just people who are invested in keeping sport clean!
Dave!!! Leave my girl Kristina Czako ALONE!!! "The THING" was awesome. 💋
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The hoodie thing will age as well, as the season progresses, like Shcherbakova's mid-program costume change.
I hope there aren't copycat hoods!
Deanna needs to send Max to the Brian Johnson school of pants wearing.
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@skatinglesson are performance enhancers allowed on Rupaul's drag race similar to rupual inspired russian tests skate
Ha!
There is a lot of enhancement!
I have a honest question : I do like the energy and idea of the Fear/Gibson FD, and they seem like great people, but don’t you find her skating skills are not that great ? You guys often say that about Madison Chock but honestly I feel that Lilah is about to fall all the time, and Lewis is litterally carying her through the performance. So the program feels all over the place, like the movements are not safe or controlled ! Same last year with the Lion King. And I never have that impression with Chock and Bates. Am I missing something ? Since I’m definitly not a skater myself 😅
Lewis is much stronger.
what happened to daria usacheva?
slowly getting back onto the ice after her hip injury last season
She has never been the same after that injury. Out of sight, out of mind...
Producer Yana Rudkovskaya appreciated Kamila Valieva's free program dedicated to the Beijing Olympics.
“As for the topic of Camila's free program, this is a debatable issue. It's one thing to skate such an indicative number, another thing is to constantly skate this difficult program during the season. How ready Camila is to go through all this again, how comfortable she will be - the question is for her.
Even for me, a very strong woman, it is not easy to relive and remember the difficult moments of my life, but what can we say about the girl. But I have no right to advise or judge anything. She is an athlete, a member of the adult Russian team. Since she agreed to this story, it means that she knows that she can do it.
Maybe she wants to convey a message to the whole world. We believe in Camila's innocence. And in my opinion, the skater, through the program, through her skating, wants to convey to the world that she suffered absolutely in vain. This is her choice and the choice of her coaches.
In Russia, this program will touch the soul, in the world the reaction will be resonant. No one knows how the situation will be interpreted and what the final verdict on its history will be. I am sure that for both the coaching staff and the skater, it was a difficult decision, but they went for it.
I repeat, as a viewer, the program touched my soul, I had emotions. Everything else is already a matter of time and the final verdict on her case, comfort, her mental and physical state, ”said Rudkovskaya.
It's the toxic social media comments like on here that Valieva is mostly referring to. What she dealt with at the Olympics was nothing compared to what she's been barraged with for 7 months in Russia and abroad.
Wait you know Priscilla Gilman? The woman from the Allen v. Farrow docuseries I literally JUST finished watching?
Dave you never cease to surprise.
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Can't believe Danii G didn't bother opening kamis fs with her drinking from her grandpa's burping banned heart medication wonderwater smh we all know how much he likes miming choreos...talk about a missed opportunity lol
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Not for nothing, but a martyr isn't supposed to martyr themselves.
Roman sadovsky won Olympic medal with 2 last places. My god.
But it needs to be said that he wasn’t supposed to do the team event. Keegan was, but was waylaid with COVID testing.
It's almost as if Eteri knows that if anything is dressed up in nationalism, the people will fall for it.
Ah, who knew?
Propaganda
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What in this program says nationalism? It’s all in your eyes😂
So after watching TSL this morning, Kamila's FS just popped up in my YT steam.
Just her body language after skating it....
It didn't feel like this was her idea but she tried to express her experience through skating but she looked so emotionally drained.
I don't like the Dani G choreo anyways but this just felt especially bad and unnecessary
Very disturbing to think about how retraumatized she must be training the program...
dude u gotta say what UBC means for the uninitiated
Why didn't Trusova skate the long?
She said she has a back injury
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As Kamila put it herself this is her story and she wants to tell it. She was absolutely amazing in this program and there is no doubt for anyone who has eyes she is absolute the best female skater of all, at some cosmic and unreachable level.
Because it’s not like her comments or actions are being guided by adults. The same adults who ruined her life by giving her the banned drugs.
Because of these adults, she will be labeled a cheat her entire life.
Imagine Kamila is an American, and you would be saying, :this girl overcome all the drama and still skating and strong.
Unlike Russia, the US frowns on doping. Those caught are ghosted, not celebrated. Feel the difference
Y’all are masters of gaslighting. Overcame all the drama? They were doping her. She’s the victim of her own system but you try to act like people are out to get her for nothing
@@jamiejoonks Funny you are talking about system, as yo are not a product of a system
@@jamiejoonks Nothing to be ashamed to be brainwashed. Realizing it is first step to be intelligent
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Remember when we held domestic competitions to rehabilitate Lance Armstrong’s image? Or when we posted billboards of Marion Jones in Times Square to show our support? Oh wait, we didn’t.
Great point
Note that they have never discussed whether her win at Russian Nationals will be invalidated...
After what Eteri did to those underage girls over a span of who knows how long, which finally boiled over at the Olympics with Valieva testing positive for a banned substance, offering Eteri and her team any platform until they have have been held accountable for their actions by the IOC is worrisome. This new Valieva program just proves that Eteri has ZERO remorse for anything that happened. Maybe she'll be remorseful when she can no longer participate in ISU sanctioned events?
You don’t just randomly develop empathy.
Dave I agree but sometimes your comments are kind of cryptic. Are you suggesting that Eteri is incapable of empathy in general? I agree lol obviously just wondering exactly what you mean by this. Do you think she’s a sociopath? I know you think she’s a narcissist.
@@kirstenneville1934 in my personal opinion she is both. The Queen of sympathy here was nowhere to be seen at the Olympics, in spite of the fact that she made her student relive her trauma. Sounds pretty sociopathic to me
@@kirstenneville1934 the only time i even saw her be empathetic is actually with zhenya . but that was also a special thing between them at one point .
@@kirstenneville1934 I think what Dave is saying is that Eteri has shown zero empathy in the years leading up to today for anyone on her team, and now that she suddenly shows some it's quite frankly impossible to believe that it isn't just a big put on from Eteri. I'd be ok if she received a lifetime ban from all ISU sanctioned events after this latest stunt.
"The females all looked like they were on Next Top Model...or Drag Race"...that escalated quickly! XD
They were serving looks!
Gracie’s gorgeous exhibition skate showed us that she is still stunning!
Two old slender grannies😂
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Above all I’m disgusted by EG’s behavior, we know she is problematic but to give 16 yo a program about possibly the most traumatic experience in her life when her case is still pending and the fake tears and hugs to all skaters while in the past she used to hand them their jackets at best, just to show she is not mean, all this is whole another level of problematic !!
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