bro i handmake and manufacture folders this is kinda messed up to use and then return like that especially after resharpening and such a long timespan. this is a little portion of what creates inflation costs for consumers 🤦♂️
Alien you're a beta. Benchmade charges an arm and a leg for terrible quality control so they can afford to take a couple returns here and there especially when the guy is still buying their products.
I can tell you went through a rollercoaster of emotions. So much inner conflict. Your videos speak to me. "You can love something, but it just won't work out for you the way you need it to." So deep.
How long do you keep and use these knives before returning them to the store? It seems like it would be better for you to sell these as “like new” to another person instead of returning a knife you used for a few weeks to the store. Unless the store you’re buying from also sells used knives that just doesn’t seem right.
It's a game changing major life decision. One must Sacrifice countless hours, Relationships, funds and even their health in hopes of determining the right pocket knife to carry. It's complicated.
I’ve been carrying the Bugout primarily for two years. My kids got me the new Elementum with the button release in micarta. Been carrying it all week, because, you know, kid gift. It’s my first Civivi and I have to say, very fun knife and it’s growing on me. Kids are back at college but this morning I didn’t hesitate to grab the Elementum. First world problems, I know but that psychology is real for knife enthusiasts.
I recently restarted collecting knives and decided to start with the elementum. So good, I got the elementum II and Vision FG as well. I really want to try a benchmade but it is hard to justify the price when I have been spoiled at $80 an less with civivi.
Wait.... You carried this thing and USED it and your RETURNING it?? And by your statement on the Full sized Bugout that buying, using and them returning knives is something you do regularly. Wow. That's a level of low I've never seen any "knife guy" stoop too.
I'm glad I stumbled upon this unorthodox review. You give very entertaining analogies and this definitely helped me take off the "rose coloured glasses" that I had when I looked at the mini bugout. It's been literally weeks and I'm still torn between this and the mini-osborne haha
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 Everything you said was true! I ended up picking up the full sized Osborne as my workhorse knife (seriously what a tank), but ALSO ended up getting a Mini Bugout just for office edc. Down the rabbit hole I go haha.
I have went through this exact same process.. most of my collection I kept buying knives the size of the mini bugout and just a bit larger and still seemed to never feel satisfied or like my knife was working for me. I finally bought a full size griptilian for my birthday and it feels so much better to me. I feel more confident in the tasks I use it for.
I don't know, man, I have been carrying the Mini for over 6 months and it never felt insufficient to me. I guess my needs vary from yours. The knife spends 99,98% of the time in my pocket and only the rest performing the tasks. And thus is seems logical to me to pick the one that is better at sitting the pocket yet still sufficient for my needs.
I feel a similar way about my 940 osborne and mini osborne though i've decided to keep the mini still. The mini works great as a backup knife or something to gift to a non-knife person since they come off as less 'murdery'
To me the problem with returning it is a lot of places will just put it back on the shelf and sell it as new, or open-box, instead of what it is:a pre-owned knife in used condition.
Coming from a 940, I wanted something smaller and lighter. The mini bugout felt like a toy. Returned it and got the 556-1 for $35 more. Best choice I’ve made. Feels better in the hand and 20cv is superior.
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 but they let you return it after that? I want to buy one from rei but don’t want one that’s been used for months then returned. Just don’t really get that
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 this isnt true..damaged items end up in a garage sale or the used gear link on their website, if it looks okay they will put it back in regular inventory. its not a year to try out policy, its for folks who might be preparing for a trip and cant buy it all at once. their policy is really nice but its not a rental program, they use to have a lifetime return policy but the more gear that gets returned as a rental the smaller the policy gets.
Thanks for the insight on this, a review about a knife that takes actually everyday carry decisions into consideration instead of just flicking through tech specs. I’ve been debating this same purchasing decision for months with getting the mini vs the standard size.
I have a couple of the regular Bugout knives and love them, but I just ordered a Bugout mini because I want to add to a collection of knives that fit in my denim jeans’ 5th pocket.
I hope REI told you to pound sand on that return. You clearly used the knife allot, it cannot be sold as new, there is nothing wrong with it, and you are going to return it? Man up and have some morals. You bought it, keep it. If it was defective or something that would be different but clearly you said there is nothing wrong with it, you just made a poor choice and don't want to live with it. People like you drive up the cost of goods for everyone else.
I kind of went the same way in choosing the full size Bugout over the Mini. They’re remarkably close in size, but I have a hard time with that distinction of “mini,” as it feels like I’m getting a diminutive or lesser version of something better, and I have fairly large hands and prefer my knives to be pretty substantial. I have to agree though, for it’s lightness, ease of open and edge retention, it’s made most of my previous EDCs look/feel like worthless garbage.
This video is less about knives and more about psychology and in that light you sound really messed up. Whether its knives, guns or fishing hooks, a lot of us have the problem of lack of decisiveness which leads to this long chain of errors coming from justifying and rationalizing our actions that we know inside to be incorrect. This is how huge and useless collections come about and that leads to unhappiness and dumping things for less than they cost which then causes depression to a point that unless stopped, it all gets repeated. Even in the comments I see the same situation as you are going through because they have the affliction, too. We get power from these physical things like knife collections that we claim were never intended, we feel good, its just like drug abuse, but they are bandaids to real hurt and conflict inside and thats what we have to get a handle on before it eats us alive. In the case of knives, I had this problem too and im determined not to have a good knife as much as wanting to stop this illness that caused continuous buying in the first place. Recently I found all sorts of knives I forgot about which are excellent and useful. I took ALL the knives and put them for sale. It was painful to let them go and therein lies the problem. At first I had a knee-jerk reaction and wanted to re-buy all new knives and I caught myself and yelled STOP. Its so easy to rationalize the buying, "oh i need this for this job, that one to backup the first one..." but thats the SICKNESS talking, not reality. Instead of giving in to more sick urges like "oh i better keep/buy/have this just in case" Ive been selling everything and as the pain of separation increases, so does liberation. I see this same problem everywhere and its eating people up. They lie and keep secrets from their spouses as they keep feeding the sick behavior and its tragic. Yell-- STOP. You see something you like, the answer is STOP. You sell/return/give away something, scream -- GOOD.
I agree, it can absolutely become debilitating at a certain point if you let it. I did this with other toys years ago, it got to the point to where I would trade for something I wanted, then trade it off sometimes only weeks later for something else without ever having even trying it. Almost became like an illness, so I had to cut all ties, keep only what I wanted/needed, and just stop all together.
For the life of me I will never understand why people talk about food prep with their pocket knives. Peeling potatoes, carrots? Use a proper kitchen knife guys. Why would you even think about using the same knife used to cut rope, zip ties, wood, card board, etc. When you're 2 paces from the right tool?
I like Benchmade knives. Mainly because they're made in America. The blade quality is good to great on bugout, griptilian but the handles suck. You can but a really great set of handles, like I did, from Applied Weapons Technology but, that's another $80+. You will then have a solid knife but, the cost of a Benchmade just for the blade is outrageous. I'm currently trying out suitable alternatives.
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 i agree with monkey here. Returns are meant for faulty products and products that dont suit your needs after you use it more than once or twice for very light duty. Its not the company's fault that you didnt like it and yet theyll have to eat the cost of giving you your money back/store credit and they wont be able to sell it as new.
I don't know if I would return it for that reason. I have a Benchmade 200 Puukko CPM-3V that just sits in the sheath and collects dust for the most part but I'm not about to get rid of it. Even though my ESEE Izula CPM-S35VN with Midnite Tiger G10 scales from TKC can do everything I'm going to need the Benchmade to do. Just some days I feel like carrying a bigger knife like during the cold season. And during the hotter Seasons I like carrying smaller knives. I do get it though. Ever since I got my mini Griptilian I haven't really used any of my fixed blades which are my favorites and most useful knives. It's just so darn practical and honestly efficient for most tasks. But it does keep me away from my favorites for the most part these days
I’ve had mine about a month and you just sat there and flicked it more in this video than I have mine. You made a choice, you used it extensively so keep it.
No no, it's not kinda stupid at all, I have the same problem. When you grow a nice collection it gets difficult to choose your "really everyday" knife, on one side of the coin you don't want to put it to use, but also a rugged used knife gets unique and personal. We're talking high-end knives that a lot of people wouldn't buy. I am from Italy and I was SUPER lucky to find a Microtech Ultratech, I saw it and bought it not even caring about the price. Another nice addition to my collection was a Rockstead, but those two knives aren't going to cut something, ever. Actually, my EDC is a Benchmade Phaeton but I think I'm about to rotate soon.
i see you flick it with your thumb but i use my index finger and man every time it gets wedge pinched when opening i might grind down the corner of the blade
same lol. the 535 is a better knife in terms of usability/comfort because of its bigger sized blade and and handle. Makes the 533 feel like a toy in comparison. From my perspective that's the general consensus from other reviewers that I've watched. Personally I use my Spyderco Shaman exclusively and have kept my 533 as a vanity item because of it's stormtrooper look lmao.
I don't think that there's such general consensus. There are a few reviewers (Nick Shabazz, for instance) who think mini is a better knife for it's intended purpose (light tasks EDC) than regular.
I look at it as this, I’ve never in my life said to myself I sure wish I had that 135 bucks back but I have however said man I should’ve kept that knife of gun or whatever it is I sold.
When you bought the smaller knife and loved it and played with it and cherished it for awhile it became YOURS!! YOU SHOULDN'T RETURN IT! IT WOULD BE DISHONEST!! IT'S YOURS!
Also. People, Please don't go buy things when you know your probably just gonna return them. Especially at your local shops and small businesses. That Does Not help them.
I agree with you I love my bug out so much I bought 2 535-bk4,but Benchmade has no idea how to sharpen a knife. my bug out was the dullest knife I have ever bought and the most expensive. Benchmade should be ashamed of themselves for the edge they put on their blades. I am able to put a stupid sharp edge on my blades and finish them off with a mirror edge. This is the only knife I love it more each time I use it.
The review of the knife saying you love it doesn't make any sense at all. It's super crappy it carry a knife for that long and use the hell out of it and then return it. The fact you "love" it means you should keep it. Especially after using it that much.
I am returning this model bug out knife because it does not work for me. I love all my other Benchmade knives. That would have been easier than going on an on for 20 minutes wouldn't it..
Who cares. You don't buy and go use a product and then return it because you don't want it anymore. If you come into my store I'd tell you to kick rocks. Keep it in your collection and move on.
This dude talking about how simple it made " task,"... Dude you ain't using a knife. If it's cut an apple I'd be shocked . You flick it open 100 times a day just like this.. and that's it....
bro i handmake and manufacture folders this is kinda messed up to use and then return like that especially after resharpening and such a long timespan. this is a little portion of what creates inflation costs for consumers 🤦♂️
I tend to agree. Add it to the collection. So, all this hassle and someone gets a used knife... Not doing any favors there.
Hearing some of what he used it for, if it were me, I wouldn't accept the return
@Alien what's your website ?
Alien you're a beta. Benchmade charges an arm and a leg for terrible quality control so they can afford to take a couple returns here and there especially when the guy is still buying their products.
Its obviously been used alot, that faded black on the tip, and he ripped REI off if they accepted it, these kids man
I can tell you went through a rollercoaster of emotions. So much inner conflict. Your videos speak to me. "You can love something, but it just won't work out for you the way you need it to." So deep.
How long do you keep and use these knives before returning them to the store? It seems like it would be better for you to sell these as “like new” to another person instead of returning a knife you used for a few weeks to the store. Unless the store you’re buying from also sells used knives that just doesn’t seem right.
Heck no, return it to the big box
lmfao... and lose out on money?... no thanks...
@@jimbom6307ur pathetic
It's a game changing major life decision. One must Sacrifice countless hours, Relationships, funds and even their health in hopes of determining the right pocket knife to carry. It's complicated.
I’ve been carrying the Bugout primarily for two years. My kids got me the new Elementum with the button release in micarta. Been carrying it all week, because, you know, kid gift. It’s my first Civivi and I have to say, very fun knife and it’s growing on me. Kids are back at college but this morning I didn’t hesitate to grab the Elementum. First world problems, I know but that psychology is real for knife enthusiasts.
I recently restarted collecting knives and decided to start with the elementum. So good, I got the elementum II and Vision FG as well. I really want to try a benchmade but it is hard to justify the price when I have been spoiled at $80 an less with civivi.
Wait....
You carried this thing and USED it and your RETURNING it??
And by your statement on the Full sized Bugout that buying, using and them returning knives is something you do regularly.
Wow. That's a level of low I've never seen any "knife guy" stoop too.
I'm glad I stumbled upon this unorthodox review. You give very entertaining analogies and this definitely helped me take off the "rose coloured glasses" that I had when I looked at the mini bugout. It's been literally weeks and I'm still torn between this and the mini-osborne haha
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 Everything you said was true! I ended up picking up the full sized Osborne as my workhorse knife (seriously what a tank), but ALSO ended up getting a Mini Bugout just for office edc. Down the rabbit hole I go haha.
I have went through this exact same process.. most of my collection I kept buying knives the size of the mini bugout and just a bit larger and still seemed to never feel satisfied or like my knife was working for me. I finally bought a full size griptilian for my birthday and it feels so much better to me. I feel more confident in the tasks I use it for.
I have gone through not "I have went through"
I don't know, man, I have been carrying the Mini for over 6 months and it never felt insufficient to me. I guess my needs vary from yours. The knife spends 99,98% of the time in my pocket and only the rest performing the tasks. And thus is seems logical to me to pick the one that is better at sitting the pocket yet still sufficient for my needs.
I'd carry both. Talk about extremes, my primary edc is a SOG Seal XR, and my back up is a Spyderco Delica
I feel a similar way about my 940 osborne and mini osborne though i've decided to keep the mini still. The mini works great as a backup knife or something to gift to a non-knife person since they come off as less 'murdery'
To me the problem with returning it is a lot of places will just put it back on the shelf and sell it as new, or open-box, instead of what it is:a pre-owned knife in used condition.
The spouse example hit home, i need to reevaluate my knife collection with this in mind. Thank you
Coming from a 940, I wanted something smaller and lighter. The mini bugout felt like a toy. Returned it and got the 556-1 for $35 more. Best choice I’ve made. Feels better in the hand and 20cv is superior.
The 940 is already slim and really light so I can’t believe you were looking for something even lighter.
You used it for food prep and took it camping then returned it?
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 but they let you return it after that? I want to buy one from rei but don’t want one that’s been used for months then returned. Just don’t really get that
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 nice didn’t know that
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 this isnt true..damaged items end up in a garage sale or the used gear link on their website, if it looks okay they will put it back in regular inventory. its not a year to try out policy, its for folks who might be preparing for a trip and cant buy it all at once. their policy is really nice but its not a rental program, they use to have a lifetime return policy but the more gear that gets returned as a rental the smaller the policy gets.
Great vid and awesome analogy at the end! Haha
Thanks for the insight on this, a review about a knife that takes actually everyday carry decisions into consideration instead of just flicking through tech specs. I’ve been debating this same purchasing decision for months with getting the mini vs the standard size.
I have a couple of the regular Bugout knives and love them, but I just ordered a Bugout mini because I want to add to a collection of knives that fit in my denim jeans’ 5th pocket.
I hope REI told you to pound sand on that return. You clearly used the knife allot, it cannot be sold as new, there is nothing wrong with it, and you are going to return it? Man up and have some morals. You bought it, keep it. If it was defective or something that would be different but clearly you said there is nothing wrong with it, you just made a poor choice and don't want to live with it. People like you drive up the cost of goods for everyone else.
just got myself a bugout mini, its awesome! planning to get a bugout CF.
I kind of went the same way in choosing the full size Bugout over the Mini. They’re remarkably close in size, but I have a hard time with that distinction of “mini,” as it feels like I’m getting a diminutive or lesser version of something better, and I have fairly large hands and prefer my knives to be pretty substantial. I have to agree though, for it’s lightness, ease of open and edge retention, it’s made most of my previous EDCs look/feel like worthless garbage.
I use my mini bugout for days I'm wearing basketball/athletic shorts. When im wearing jeans or khaki pants I use my full size Osborne 🔥⚒👍🏼
This video is less about knives and more about psychology and in that light you sound really messed up. Whether its knives, guns or fishing hooks, a lot of us have the problem of lack of decisiveness which leads to this long chain of errors coming from justifying and rationalizing our actions that we know inside to be incorrect. This is how huge and useless collections come about and that leads to unhappiness and dumping things for less than they cost which then causes depression to a point that unless stopped, it all gets repeated. Even in the comments I see the same situation as you are going through because they have the affliction, too. We get power from these physical things like knife collections that we claim were never intended, we feel good, its just like drug abuse, but they are bandaids to real hurt and conflict inside and thats what we have to get a handle on before it eats us alive. In the case of knives, I had this problem too and im determined not to have a good knife as much as wanting to stop this illness that caused continuous buying in the first place. Recently I found all sorts of knives I forgot about which are excellent and useful. I took ALL the knives and put them for sale. It was painful to let them go and therein lies the problem. At first I had a knee-jerk reaction and wanted to re-buy all new knives and I caught myself and yelled STOP. Its so easy to rationalize the buying, "oh i need this for this job, that one to backup the first one..." but thats the SICKNESS talking, not reality. Instead of giving in to more sick urges like "oh i better keep/buy/have this just in case" Ive been selling everything and as the pain of separation increases, so does liberation. I see this same problem everywhere and its eating people up. They lie and keep secrets from their spouses as they keep feeding the sick behavior and its tragic. Yell-- STOP. You see something you like, the answer is STOP. You sell/return/give away something, scream -- GOOD.
I agree, it can absolutely become debilitating at a certain point if you let it. I did this with other toys years ago, it got to the point to where I would trade for something I wanted, then trade it off sometimes only weeks later for something else without ever having even trying it. Almost became like an illness, so I had to cut all ties, keep only what I wanted/needed, and just stop all together.
Your comment was like a bucket of ice water poured over my head. A strong slap across the face. Got me thinking. I’m chasing the dopamine for sure.
For the life of me I will never understand why people talk about food prep with their pocket knives. Peeling potatoes, carrots? Use a proper kitchen knife guys. Why would you even think about using the same knife used to cut rope, zip ties, wood, card board, etc. When you're 2 paces from the right tool?
I like Benchmade knives. Mainly because they're made in America. The blade quality is good to great on bugout, griptilian but the handles suck. You can but a really great set of handles, like I did, from Applied Weapons Technology but, that's another $80+. You will then have a solid knife but, the cost of a Benchmade just for the blade is outrageous. I'm currently trying out suitable alternatives.
So you use things then return them even though there is no fault???????? What is wrong with you?????????
Muchas gracias! Me ayudaste a elegir bien
Seems pretty crappy of you to use it for a few months and then return it, just because you "weren't into it."
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 Abusing the return system is definitely not normal or moral.
@@luisramosyoungbloke1232 i agree with monkey here. Returns are meant for faulty products and products that dont suit your needs after you use it more than once or twice for very light duty. Its not the company's fault that you didnt like it and yet theyll have to eat the cost of giving you your money back/store credit and they wont be able to sell it as new.
I don't know if I would return it for that reason. I have a Benchmade 200 Puukko CPM-3V that just sits in the sheath and collects dust for the most part but I'm not about to get rid of it. Even though my ESEE Izula CPM-S35VN with Midnite Tiger G10 scales from TKC can do everything I'm going to need the Benchmade to do. Just some days I feel like carrying a bigger knife like during the cold season. And during the hotter Seasons I like carrying smaller knives. I do get it though. Ever since I got my mini Griptilian I haven't really used any of my fixed blades which are my favorites and most useful knives. It's just so darn practical and honestly efficient for most tasks. But it does keep me away from my favorites for the most part these days
Just order the orange mini, from what I've read it feels more solid and a perfect EDC
I’ve had mine about a month and you just sat there and flicked it more in this video than I have mine. You made a choice, you used it extensively so keep it.
Best review everrr
No no, it's not kinda stupid at all, I have the same problem. When you grow a nice collection it gets difficult to choose your "really everyday" knife, on one side of the coin you don't want to put it to use, but also a rugged used knife gets unique and personal. We're talking high-end knives that a lot of people wouldn't buy. I am from Italy and I was SUPER lucky to find a Microtech Ultratech, I saw it and bought it not even caring about the price. Another nice addition to my collection was a Rockstead, but those two knives aren't going to cut something, ever. Actually, my EDC is a Benchmade Phaeton but I think I'm about to rotate soon.
Keep it in your car as a backup.
i see you flick it with your thumb but i use my index finger and man every time it gets wedge pinched when opening i might grind down the corner of the blade
same lol. the 535 is a better knife in terms of usability/comfort because of its bigger sized blade and and handle. Makes the 533 feel like a toy in comparison. From my perspective that's the general consensus from other reviewers that I've watched. Personally I use my Spyderco Shaman exclusively and have kept my 533 as a vanity item because of it's stormtrooper look lmao.
I don't think that there's such general consensus. There are a few reviewers (Nick Shabazz, for instance) who think mini is a better knife for it's intended purpose (light tasks EDC) than regular.
I prefer the mini. Different strokes.
A few weeks? That's way too much use. Anyways I returned my the next day. I did not like the Mini Bugout at all.
Hes a piece of crap for doing that
Nooooo, it’s perfect!
So you have used the knife many times and now you're returning it. That's totally fked up and really cheap
The Mini is simply too small for me. I love the CF-Elite 535.
I look at it as this, I’ve never in my life said to myself I sure wish I had that 135 bucks back but I have however said man I should’ve kept that knife of gun or whatever it is I sold.
When you bought the smaller knife and loved it and played with it and cherished it for awhile it became YOURS!! YOU SHOULDN'T RETURN IT! IT WOULD BE DISHONEST!! IT'S YOURS!
I don't understand all this mini thing. I have small hands but would prefer a bigger knife too.
Most coatings on blades are not food safe.
Also. People, Please don't go buy things when you know your probably just gonna return them. Especially at your local shops and small businesses. That Does Not help them.
I agree with you I love my bug out so much I bought 2 535-bk4,but Benchmade has no idea how to sharpen a knife. my bug out was the dullest knife I have ever bought and the most expensive. Benchmade should be ashamed of themselves for the edge they put on their blades. I am able to put a stupid sharp edge on my blades and finish them off with a mirror edge. This is the only knife I love it more each time I use it.
I'm selling mine because I had an omega spring break after 6 months. Not interested in a tool with such a quick failure window.
The review of the knife saying you love it doesn't make any sense at all. It's super crappy it carry a knife for that long and use the hell out of it and then return it. The fact you "love" it means you should keep it. Especially after using it that much.
Carry Both. Problem solved.
Babble On, NEXT !
Solution: make both the your knives you edc
Thats screwed up, returning a used knife as a new one, whats wrong with you?
I am returning this model bug out knife because it does not work for me. I love all my other Benchmade knives. That would have been easier than going on an on for 20 minutes wouldn't it..
Tasks were a lot more simple? 🤣😆 Disadvantage? 🤣😆 Opening Amazon boxes is that difficult with either?
i use my bugout for fruits and vegetable only lol
Size matters 😄
king bugout is dead,long live the new king-king taggedout!
I would not buy either of those. I purchased the 940-1 and was so disappointed. Im used to bigger blades then those.
Took it camping doing all the shit with it and then return. This is why REI is closing stores everywhere.
What should we learn from this video? Nothing other than maybe size matters
Go and get a RECON 1. It's cheaper, good steel, bulletproof lockup and you ain't paying for the name.
Who cares. You don't buy and go use a product and then return it because you don't want it anymore. If you come into my store I'd tell you to kick rocks. Keep it in your collection and move on.
That is why i didn't get the mini.
Carry both, 2 is 1, 1 is none
ppl make videos about anything
The mini has never been in my consideration at all 😑😑
Buyers beware REI sell china replicas of the Bug Out which should be way cheaper
fake from China only cost 5USD😂😂😂
Get a grip ffs
This dude talking about how simple it made " task,"... Dude you ain't using a knife. If it's cut an apple I'd be shocked . You flick it open 100 times a day just like this.. and that's it....
The world is sending you a sign , don’t return the l for ….if ya don’t want it gift it to your father for Xmas . Returning is the lamest idea ever
Closing it like that is not safe.
In what regards? Crossbar/Axis lock is one of the safest locks out there. What's your point?
🤦🏼♂️🙄😢
Because it’s a $20 knife being sold for $100
Benchmade formula:
100% Quality = 250% Price.