Getting Kicked Out of the Democratic Socialists of America Convention | Ben Meets America
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2023
- Ben Kawaller went to Chicago to cover the convention of the Democratic Socialists of America. Ben hoped to spar with smart, good-natured socialists on the questions of freedom, democracy, and capitalism. But that’s not how things went.
Instead, a video about what happened when Ben tried to ask about life under utopia and the capitalists who took him in when the socialists kicked him out.
It's funny how you can be a socialist in capitalistic society but you can't be a capitalist in a socialist society.
Very good comment
@hkoizumi3134 how exactly did Hitler's economic miracle happen then?
Why was he on the cover of TIME?
Very good quote mate.
China tho
@@Nekochukinchnah my friend, China is authoritarian capitalism in nature. They frame it communism/socialism with Chinese characteristics, which is a wordplay to mean they are neither communists nor socialists.
“…like a Star Trek utopia” 🥴🤣🤣🤣
What are you laughing about, those programs were documentaries weren't they?
Lololololol
@@jakovasaur Mathesar, is that you? :)
@@justsomeofmyfavs Those poor people!
Stores exist in starve trek!!!
Many people get Star Trek wrong. Imagine for a moment the course this world is on with self driving cars etc. In a world where most work to keep society running would be done by machines, it’s clear that universal housing & basic food would be provided, (basic housing is a Japanese sleeping pod with shared bathroom). But work hasn’t disappeared completely.
A Star Trek utopia clearly outlines that the individual must bend themselves to society, (none of this you’re triggering me nonsense) and each person is constantly “on a quest to better themselves and the rest of humanity.” Laziness is abhorred. Excuses are ignored. It’s also clear - that idea of that future depicts the world post automation, where those basic needs are met but for anything ‘more’ than just basic you need to participate in society and put in the effort. Living in that world is rigorous and filled with a balance of individual purpose, needs and desires, as well as social responsibility.
Folks that are against capitalism are just as lost as those against socialism. And both have no idea where each is already a functioning part of American society, (libraries, how much they already support & already willingly participate in each.
When you see disagreement as an act of aggression 🤦
Love how the camera focused on the Starbucks cup on the table!!
Starbucks are unionizing around the country. We care about the workers not the company. Socialism isn't pretending money doesn't exist.
"Basically all the ism's". That sums up their ideology.
Explain
@@Nekochukinch🪞🤡
These are the exact type of people I expect to be socialists...
You legit proved to them why we need the police in society!! Lol
The difference between American Democratic Socialists and European Social Democrats is like night and day.
How so?
@@JohnAsparagus96 for example, the German Social Democrats, by far the most important social democratic party, reject socialism and have vocally supported Israel over the past few months.
While American democratic socialists are the woke, change your kids gender nazis.
Very true and the reason you support European social democrats is hilarious. Never forget the German social democrats also backed another very unpopular conflict in the early 1900s and then stood out of the way when another type of "Social Democratic" party rose to power in the 30s... Democratic socialism isn't perfect but I'd take this over nazi sympathizers
@@HelloFellowCZcamsrs how does opinion on Israel matter
I would like this 80 times if I could.
Did they pay the hotel to hold their convention? Did they rent a room? I imagine if they did the hotel staff had a good laugh.
No shit they did what's your point? You know a root tenant of socialism is that a working person doesn't get PAID what they are worth. It's not like socialists think money isn't real.
someone said "ma'am" without verifying pronouns first.
Facebook is that way
Well, gendered language is forbidden in DSA meetings after all.
Amazing Contrast !!!
"We don't believe in calling the police, but thankfully we've paid money to people who do."
I watched this 3 times. More please
"Hand me your credentials", "Papers, please". Then they removed him for challenging the ideas of this places... the irony.
Democratic Socialist of America is comedy GOLD!!
That guy must not watch much "Star Trek", because if he did he'd know the Federation is regularly at war with its neighbors. In the span of twenty years, the Federation fought the Cardassians, the Klingons, the Borg, the Cardassians again, and the Dominion. That's quite a utopia.
The movie Idiocracy comes to mind.
I’ll bet you won’t here any of those back women in the end crying about oppression…
The complete irony of black entrepreneur women convention happening next-door is astounding.
I think corporate greed is more so "the issue" than Capitalism by its web definition.
"Basically all the 'isms'."
Including socialism, obviously.
Commenting on getting thrown out of the hotel for asking questions using his free speech. “Well that’s very authoritarian”
“Well that’s just how it is”
Yup that’s authoritarian ….. communism 101 when somone questions you silence them by force.
So mr. libertarian over here doesn't like it when his precious private hotels enforce their own policies?
It's funny because that was the hotel and arguing that the hotel is doing communism is what a 10 year old would say
Amusing video and those women seemed pleasant. I think it's an implication of the human reward system. Working for a personal reward is motivating. If your increase in productivity is diffused, then you don't have a motivation to do better (if you can't differentiate between a poor worker and an excellent one). The solution that socialist tends to use is indoctrinating people in the hope that you can engineer a citizenry that work for altruistic purposes. But to achieve that, you have to get super authoritarian from the get-go. And you can kinda approximate socialism in a capitalist society. Socialism doesn't seem opt out.
The segregation part is pretty counterproductive. All other women's expos are just called women's expos.
This is incorrect but I respect the attempt at a well thought out response. Socialists do not attempt to get people into the project through altruistic purposes, it's very specifically not for altruistic purposes. This is a very skin deep way of looking at this. In fact we have a term capped material condition or material analysis to describe the way in which we relate our lives to the materials or capital we have that ends up being a much more effective way of letting people relate their own power to the power their bosses or rulers have over them. I think you are close when you mention the human reward system. Under capitalism workers do not own their own labor, just who they sell their time to. The only insensitive is hourly wage and any benefits of employment which itself could be a great thing or bad thing(google company towns or company script). Such a reward system only really exists under systems where someone needs to be rewarded in order to keep the system going. If we had no rulers, no power over one another, what would be the reward or push to keep going? To not die. Under socialism or similar projects the insensitive is to keep going, to work for the benefit of everyone. The idea of individual reward is inherently selfish, something humans are not born to be. I hear rebuttals to this that "no humans are inherently selfish.." so wrong! Parents sacrifice for their children, people help others for no reason other than kindness. Only in the context of an opposing view do people pretend this is truth
What a sad bunch… They probably need some mental health care.
Now I see where the gamestop employees come from.
0:49 even communism?
Any person whose politics is based on a sci fi TV series needs serious help!!!
I’m with that guy on the Star Trek utopia. But we have not invented a replicator yet. Which makes all the food in Star Trek.
We'll probably need socialism first. Do you know what a soda stream is? I feel like if someone invents the replicator and we still have capitalism it's gonna be like that.
I love this.
I thought the whole point of a utopia is that it can’t actually exist. It’s literally Greek for "no place" and yet socialists can’t stop fixating on it
Capitalism is basically a “utopian” trade economy, in which money is the currency of trade.
What was he kicked out for
I’ll go along with the “Star Trek utopia” just for the hot Vulcan women and Seven of Nine.
Yeah, this is why I judge books by their cover 😕
0:53 - so much for their disdain for capitalism...
What people are talking about is free commerce.
DSA were also holding pro-Hamas rallies in NYC on Oct 8. Morally bereft.
I fear that the creator “The Free Press” does not really know WHAT socialism is. Nor does he appear to be certain of what capitalism is and how it is affecting him and the ladies he is interviewing. A great interview question would have been…Do you know WHAT capitalism is? And, do you know how it affects politics?
I D I O T S !
“Stat Trek,” is a television show. Also, that is violating freedom of the press.
SOCIALISM=AUTHORITARIANISM always, bud... FYI.
Guys, now the next step is to learn how to socialize!
But holy hell, it’ll be hard when average americans are raised by individualism in an ancient-cult-like-tradition “new world, land of the free”.
To be fair, they got a good fundamental idea though, while I understand it’s extremely hard to find what’s in line of right/wrong throughout history.
For now, I’ll go along with Hegel and the Marx’s “question of when”; so call me ignorant or whatever, but I won’t force it till “when” is obvious… and no this is not obvious enough, you got so many things to do in this postmodern US republic and bureaucracy (respectively with “right and left-wing” institutions). I know, it won’t be easy and that’s what ironically gave anything value - especially in a “liberty” hellhole - since that thing will be hard to obtain, whether it’s money or just welfare. Hopefully, you - as the lucky minority - can gather enough knowledges, motivation, started working on yourself, your family and friends. If anything, remember that it’s not just you, you should contribute to the society overall. After all, Idealism is realer than Realism, the fate before the world and God is not so far off.
You're almost there, keep reading. Cringy post but I have faith. Right/wrong or moralism is not the correct way at looking at this. Dsa convention has a lot of people that know each other or people that becomes friends here, socializing isn't any issue. Reply if you need recommendations
He's the best man the Communists have got.
Even though he couldn't do one pushup.
Star Trek Utopia 😂
It's funny because the original Star Trek was pretty much outlined to reflect the Cold War. The story is, therefore, not set in a utopia at all.
Does being anti-capitalist mean you can't buy soap?
Both sides don't have a clue what they are talking about.
@@gnosis8142this is sooo true
The soap factory would be brought into democratic public ownership and will be produced for use/need instead of profit and exchange on the market.
@@gnosis8142hard to sound correct when you're answering questions posed by a 4 year old
@@Ceeeeee451this is a good reply hon but he's just calling them sweaty. If I were him I wouldn't talk, most people in this vid have a much nicer haircut than him. The jockstrap calling the work shirt sweaty
3:20 😂
In this case I prefer the black women... *z-snap* mmmHmmmm!!
so funny.
These are the reddit mods in public.
result of public schools and liberal media
Do you just want kids to be forced to pray in school?
@@Ceeeeee451 How about learning to read and write, instead of learning which anal lubes are best or how to scissor their he/they lesbian life-partner?
Rockefeller education
He was definitely trying to find the worst possible candidates to poke fun at to create a negative narrative.
Ok so I have a trade agreement it’s a really good one so y’all might want to vote me for president. Here it is. So we have been giving Ukraine billions of dollars to stop Russia so we don’t have to fight Russia. But I say we just draft these people send them to Ukraine and have them fight the war. Save us some money, it will get these people out of our country, and Ukraine doesn’t have to send all their soldiers to fight. I think that’s a good trade off
It is immensely tragic that wokeology gets conflated with socialism, wokeology is actually capitalism in one of its darkest forms. But
I've never heard a valid argument in favor of capitalism. Proponents of capitalism only ever try to implement gaslighting and/or logical fallacies. Really. Try to have a sane, civil, honest conversation with any proponent of capitalism, and they'll prove my point.
But if you like all manner of products within the capitalst matrix, if you own a business, and have employees. and you still want a much more sane and harmonious economic system, You're Not A Fucking Hypocrite.
Don't let them silence you with that weak argument .
It would be just as ridiculous to argue that one is a hypocrite for drinking city tap water, when they had no other options , and therefore one shouldn't be able consider better sources of water.
Narcissistic personality disorder is an epedemic.
And when they project "well the problem is nobody wants to work. " Ask them what landlords even fucking do . Ask them what the CEO of Starbucks actually does . Etc.
No shade at seasons of nondoership. But shade @ projection.
"so much depression, anxiety, stress & suicidality is caused by capitalism. we really really need to talk about how not being able to meet our basic needs and how giving away 80% of our days to jobs that drain & exploit us leads to serious mental health issues for a lot of people" - Alexis Isabel
If they got what they wanted. There would be equlity! We'd all be equally miserable!!!!
Why do you bots keep spamming the same phrases over and over again?
Drooling man with thought bubble.jpg
Just remember, you have socialist to thank for the 2 day weekend, versus no weekend at all and child labor..
Love it! That's why those black women will be voting for Joe Biden and not any nutty 3rd party candidate! That is why the Democrats first primary is in South Carolina
Held in SC to force out competition. Have Biden sign the Spoiler Pledge.
she forgot 'autism'
Where does this capitalism you speak of exist? Special tax cuts and direct subsidies for big business. Sounds like socialism to me.
You do understand that 50% pay little to no Federal Income Tax and many of those are receiving subsidies.
@@timmarshall7292 . What does that have to do with my point? I’m talking about everyone else essentially paying for private business to operate. That’s not capitalism. A private bank is not a citizen.
Capitalism is a socioeconomic system, where the most powerful property owners control society and its institutions, it doesn’t just mean buying stuff or basic commerce. China for example is a socialist country and they have loads of private enterprise.
Looooser
So you went in and cut up a bunch of interviews into contextless quotes, to defend capitalism. And you couldn't even look up 'socialism' to learn that a free market can exist within socialist economies. If you were in high school and turned this in as a project, you'd get an F for misrepresenting your subjects and not bothering to do any research.
Chill bro
the Scandinavian countries are not socialist doofus
Tell that to the people at the convention.
How many of them know that free market can exist within capitalism, or communism like China?
That almost every single economy is a mixed economy of some kind?
Or know the difference between social programs and socialism?
I'm sure that he cut the most humorous and ignorant clips ... but most of those seem pretty much in context because honestly, anyone supporting socialism now because they think a Star Trek magic replicator based utopia is possible I don't think needs much more context lo.
I hope this is just a small small minority of people ... but I've seen enough clips to think this is a more common view than it should be.
I very much strongly believe in free market economies.
Sounds like you support socialism to some extent, but also free market?
If you just support mixed economy, leaning more socialist then I understand how that works, we have plenty of real world examples.
If not, would love some help finding good links to vids/articles that explain how people that want full socialism actually envision that working though.
Not trolling, I listen to as many people on the left as I can event though I'm pretty much center-right.
Most people I listen to never talk in details though, just "capitalism bad, socialism good."
Honestly most of the things people complain about our economy I agree with and see as very broken.
The actual problems and possible solutions is where have very different opinions though lol
Anyway any links you or anyone here can recommend that you think are good is sincerely appreciated.
Socialism is whatever the majority of socialists say it is. Because what you're saying is not what would be happening if they were actually in charge
@@tercerocastero I suspect that some of the people in this video have well-thought out politics and some of them don't. My complaint is not that these people must be smart, it's that whatever their views are, they were not given a fair hearing.
I can't speak for them, but as for myself, yes, I do know that there is a difference between social programs and socialism, etc. I don't think it's really that rare to know those things.
The Star Trek quote is a good example of something which might be dumb or might be fine, depending on how the rest of the conversation went. If he followed up by saying that he didn't mean an economy that runs on magic but rather an economy which allows all people to have the necessities of life, I think that would be fair. And there's no reason to believe it's not possible to ensure that people have food, shelter, healthcare, etc. These things don't even require abandoning capitalism, funnily enough. You could have a social democracy similar to what Bernie Sanders was proposing. Capitalism with a functioning government that worked for the people.
My own political views do not fall neatly into a label like socialism or communism, which is actually somewhat frustrating. But I'll try to describe the problems and a possible solution.
It seems obvious to me that most of politics is illusory, in the United States, at least. Both parties represent the rich, and frequently, simply are the rich. The Bush is an oil family. Cheney owned part of Blackwater/Xe/whatever it's been renamed to this week. Romney was a venture capitalist, part of those companies that made money by going in and firing as many workers as possible. It's not just Republicans, of course. The Pelosis are doing insider trading, for sure. Hunter Biden probably is selling access to his dad/the President. Most family members of Presidents and Senators are likely running the same grift. It's baffling that Americans have this love for the 'business man', when most of these guys don't have any special skills or knowledge. Arguably, some of them, like Trump, are not even business men, they have only succeeded in branding themselves as such. The media is also owned by the rich, which is why when Bernie Sanders was running on creating a functioning government, all these 'journalists' started attacking him. The Washington Post ran 16 different attack articles on him in a single day.
The two institutions of our society which should be balancing out the influence of the ruling class are failing to do so. The government should be taxing the ruling class so that the working class can get by. The media should be pointing this out. Both the government and the media have been invaded and controlled by the ruling class to the point we no longer can depend on them to function. This little youtube video we are leaving comments on is a tiny drop of water in an ocean of propaganda against any view that doesn't suit the ruling class. The media is simply not allowed to take any view that might benefit the working class seriously. It's not open for discussion.
As to the solution, it's democracy. Democracy is flawed but it's also the best thing humanity has come up with. We need to start using democracy with economics in a similar way to politics. Vote in the workplace, either directly on decisions or for representatives. There should be voting on salaries and wages. I've worked in places where the people above me knew what they were doing and I would gladly vote that they be paid more. I've also worked in places where the boss came in, looked around, and then went golfing. I'd gladly vote to replace that guy, and to not have him be paid three hundred times more than the people who actually did the work.
I don't want to write a whole book here, but to name a few positive effects of economic democracy: the workers wouldn't vote to send their jobs to other countries. The workers wouldn't vote to dump waste in their own communities. There would be more long term thinking and strategizing. A lot of the dysfunction in the government would be solved as a secondary effect. The main reason the government is so useless is because of its capture by the exact same people who rule over us in the workplace. Jeff Bezos 'makes' something like a thousand dollars a second while he is asleep in bed. That same wealth is what allows him to buy and control The Washington Post. That wealth is something the workers would never have voted for. Bezos would never have this level of influence without a ridiculous economic system which is set up to benefit those who do not work, over those who do.
Somehow there is a meme that capitalism and democracy go hand in hand. This is false. One look at how our society is functioning disproves this whole idea. What goes together is democracy and more democracy, in government and in the economy. That is my two cents.
How we get to this point, I can't say for sure. I don't think it would take a revolution. It could be done by changing laws and/or by prolonged worker strikes. Probably there would be social unrest and lots of unhappy people, for a while. I don't think there will be guillotines. I do think it's possible, though. All it would take is enough people who decide that it's worth having control over their lives. We got rid of kings in government, and the next step is getting rid of kings in the economy.
Going from this to 'full communism' is another matter that I don't think is worth considering until we at least reach this point...
This is by far the biggest collection of losers in one room I have ever seen.
No idea how capitalism, socialsim, or communism works. They just want to be heard and feel validated.
Pathetic.
That's why you posted a comment without explaining any of those terms right? P r o j e c t I o n