The SLACK-R Yeti ARC experiMENTAL Review - Is A Slacker Yeti ARC Better?

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  • Is a slacker Yeti ARC better? Today we find out. In the last episode we installed 9point8's SLACK-R angle reducing headset to see if it can wake up the Yeti ARC. I realize not everyone wants a slacker yeti, but I couldn't send this back without experimenting first. I just had to find out if it was better or worse with a slacker head angle.
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Komentáře • 263

  • @chriscoleman1151
    @chriscoleman1151 Před 3 lety +34

    It always brings a tear to my eyes when you meet a person on the trail and say " I'm all alone" 😁😉

  • @Stussy787
    @Stussy787 Před 3 lety +8

    I have ridden my new A.R.C about 150 miles offroad and have just competed in a regional MTB XC race and have to say that if fitted with a Fox SC34 fork 120mm, standard seatpost (no dropper post)and standard headset (no slack-r), Yeti has accidently created a seriously impressive and stable XC rocket! It may of been marketed as "down country" but underneath it is a very capable XC bike.

  • @stuartbrown9400
    @stuartbrown9400 Před 3 lety +13

    For anyone considering Steve's patreon service to assist picking out bikes and/or components, I highly recommend it. He helped me navigate the myriad of frame and component choices so that selections best fit my needs, terrain, and riding style. It was nice to be able to get confirmations on things and it made the selection process more fun. Now if he could only make my Nimble 9 arrive sooner so I could get my first build underway.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +5

      Thanks for the kind words Stuart. It's been fun working with you. I'm excited to see your n9 when it comes.

  • @drewmarch1659
    @drewmarch1659 Před 3 lety +3

    Man I've been waiting for this! This could be a dream bike of mine for suuuure

  • @HamboMTB
    @HamboMTB Před 3 lety +1

    Great insight on slackened Yeti, videos just keep getting better and better!

  • @jensholtgen1878
    @jensholtgen1878 Před 3 lety +4

    Instant order on the ankle set! Didnt know it even exists. Allways wanted my Arc slacker! Ty

  • @benjaminvivar7855
    @benjaminvivar7855 Před 3 lety

    I always enjoy your perspective on the different bikes you ride keep up the awesome docenterainvideos going.

  • @JJMilk
    @JJMilk Před 3 lety +4

    Looking forward for this review. You made very interesting points, and that angle set for the ARC, gave me lots of ideas! Love the bike, but that head angle is a tad conservative, but hey, Hard Tail Party is here to show us the way. 😎 Thanks

  • @hardtailparty
    @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +32

    A few more things...
    1) Everyone has a different riding style, terrain, and body proportions. When you learn to steer with the feet (new school) instead of at the bars (old school), you unlock an entirely new level of excitement (and speed and control). Watch riders like Jeff Kendall Weed and how straight he keeps bars when cornering. I find the bike to ride much better with the skack-r for this style. If you steer at the bars and ride a bit more old school, you may prefer it in stock for without the slack-r. If that's your style, I recommend sizing down.
    2) I also realize that the geo chart shows an effective sta of 76*. It feels slacker than this to me. Take a look at how the seat tube sits back further than most at the bb junction. This makes it feel slacker than the numbers suggest even though it looks steep. It feels like I'm sitting farther behind the bb than on other modern bikes.
    3. This bike is REALLY good. If I were to do a shootout with a bunch of different hardtails, I would expect it to win almost every shootout(with the slack-r installed). This is the hardtail most people are searching for.
    4) This frame feels fantastic. Yeti knocked it out of the park with how comfy the frame feels, yet it's still stiff under acceleration.
    5) I don't see any reason to run this bike with a fork longer than 130mm. The 130mm on here feels incredibly balanced, and i can charge as hard as o want. More fork would hurt it even on the spicy trails. The only reason to go bigger than 130mm is for hucks and big jumps, but this isn't the right bike for that anyway.
    6) This bike is like a BMW. Luxurious, refined, comfortable, fast, but lacking a bit of personality. Some other bikes ride more like a lotus: raw, less refined, but incredibly fun and spirited.
    7) I really appreciate yeti sending me this bike for review. I've been really curious about this bije, and j think they did a fantastic job. Like most bikes i review, there are some things that I think could be improved, but most people are going to fall in love when they ride this thing, especially if they have a slack-r installed.
    8) I haven't spoken to yeti about this mod. While i recommend it from a performance and handling perspective, i don't recommend it from a warranty perspective. a slacker head angle like this puts more stress on the head tube area. Check with yeti before performing this mod, and make sure it doesn't void your frame's warranty. I am not responsible for any warranty issues you cause by following what i do here.

    • @jaygolden4218
      @jaygolden4218 Před 3 lety +1

      Great review!!!! What are your thoughts about putting 27.5 plus tires on the bike???

    • @CoryOstroski
      @CoryOstroski Před 3 lety +3

      Yeti has said a Slack-R WILL void the warranty.

  • @jeff7086
    @jeff7086 Před 3 lety +8

    I love that description of special sauce, I know what you mean. Some bikes for no real explanation leave you with a perma-grin, that silly smile that doesn't go away for hours. While some bikes are good but don't leave you with that same goofy elated grin from riding.

  • @Stussy787
    @Stussy787 Před 3 lety +6

    Interesting review. This has made me consider asking my local bike shop to leave a little longer steerer tube than normal so I have the option of the SLACK-R angle reducing headset when they get my Yeti A.R.C. built up. I will be using the Fox Factory 34 SC fork which runs 10mmm less travel anyway and the bike will be primarily used for XC racing and light trail use.

  • @maveriks92
    @maveriks92 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great recommendation! I just installed the 1.7 Slack-R and ripped my ARC today. Steve nails everything in his review; better at speed, better handling and definitely a lively ride. Thanks for the experiment and sharing the results. Sending some patreon gratitude your way!!!❤

  • @roblatham5024
    @roblatham5024 Před 2 lety

    Amazing ! I’ve just picked up my new yeti arc. It’s exactly what I was hoping for. Bike for life 👍🏻

  • @jefffaller5155
    @jefffaller5155 Před 3 lety +2

    Hey Steve, thanks for the great review on the slacker ARC! You say it would be second to the Paradox... how does the Big Al stack up against the ARC?

  • @slimdog72
    @slimdog72 Před 3 lety

    That was fun, thanks for the ride.

  • @jeffwarren1547
    @jeffwarren1547 Před rokem +1

    I've been riding this bike since it was released. It's my only bike and I just switched to a 140mm air shaft. Totally agree with everything you said about this bike needing to be slightly slacker from factory. It's just better in every way.

  • @JosellisWilham
    @JosellisWilham Před 3 lety +1

    I'm terrible at building bikes, but running the cables on this was super easy, even for me. The cables are all guided through the frame, so no fishing is required. You can even run the dropper cable without removing the bottom bracket. It is the best internal cableing that I have ever messed with.

  • @alex1231235
    @alex1231235 Před 3 lety +1

    ARC SLACK-R day has finally come!

  • @GrandpaGains
    @GrandpaGains Před 3 lety +6

    Can't wait for the Spot review.

    • @GrandpaGains
      @GrandpaGains Před 3 lety

      Steve, In 2019 I couldn't make up my mind on a new bike had it down to Yeti SB130, Evil Offering and the Spot Mayhem. After your review of the Spot I placed my order and I love my bike, thank-you.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      @@GrandpaGains Stoked to hear it. I'd love to try their new full suspension models. I think the Mayhem 130 and 150mm would fit nicely in my stable.

  • @davidhargrave8611
    @davidhargrave8611 Před 3 lety +1

    Great review! You did a similar thing to an Ibis Dv9. Does the slack Yeti Arc beat the slack Dv9? I have a Dv9 and I'm contemplating doing what you did. Thanks!

  • @mtbmadman011
    @mtbmadman011 Před 2 lety

    Great review, Tempted to try the Slack R now that I have 6 mo on the ARC.

  • @Pozitivi
    @Pozitivi Před 3 lety +1

    The Yeti ARC looks so cool !! 😃

  • @actionong
    @actionong Před 3 lety

    This is an excellent experimental ride review.

  • @tonyroumonada
    @tonyroumonada Před 2 měsíci

    Hey Steve, great video as always and really enjoying the Big Brain Party channel! I have a Yeti SB4.5 that was rebuilt from the frame up with all new parts a couple years ago. Love the bike, but wish is was a bit slacker. It's over forked with a 150mm which brought the head tube angle to just under 77, but I'd love to get it closer to 75 and this seems like a good option. I'd love to hear your opinion. I've been a fan of yours and Dusty Betty's for years, keep it up!

  • @georgeirvingnormaniii3291

    Sweet review 🤘

  • @lachcurtis5503
    @lachcurtis5503 Před 3 lety +2

    Great video. Would a bar with more rise sort the stack issue out seeing as how the forks come cut pretty short?

  • @kulafachi9571
    @kulafachi9571 Před 3 lety +26

    Still waiting on that big wig review lol I'm freekin dieing over here.

  • @pe3117
    @pe3117 Před 3 lety

    Really love that Yeti frame!
    What do you think of the Fox 34?
    Thanks!

  • @Jinedan
    @Jinedan Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome. Now it's really on my short list.

  • @abandco.creative
    @abandco.creative Před 3 lety

    Great review. Can I ask do you prefer the ARC to the Chameleon C? They have a similar price point and geo.

  • @rufuswainwright8171
    @rufuswainwright8171 Před 3 lety +1

    Woohoo !!!
    Steve, you ride more bikes in a month than I would in a lifetime. Grateful for your knowledge and experience.
    Bike due Monday, I know the steerer hasn’t been cut short. Slack-R ready for install 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      I recommend you try it with the slack-r and without and see which you prefer. I'll be curious to hear which you like more.

    • @rufuswainwright8171
      @rufuswainwright8171 Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty will do Steve.
      As soon as we’re out of Lockdown in the UK I’ll be heading to the Peak District.
      For £100 it is worth the punt. Probably all out of stock now 🤣🤣
      Thanks again for the heads up 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      @@rufuswainwright8171 last i checked, they had them. But you might want to hurry.

    • @rufuswainwright8171
      @rufuswainwright8171 Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty I’ve got one Steve, arrived yesterday. I beat the rush 😜😜
      I think it’s a Yeti thing with the not so slack HTA. So I can see many SB100/115/130 giving on a go too.

  • @dennismiller1602
    @dennismiller1602 Před 3 lety

    Love the 401k vs Vegas analogy!

  • @matthewbenedetti490
    @matthewbenedetti490 Před 3 lety +2

    I really hope you get to review a Curve Downrock, one of these days. The geo on that bike seems to tick all the boxes you usually talk about. Like the higher stack, mentioned in this video.

  • @winniep1
    @winniep1 Před 3 lety

    So witch SLACK-R spec is it on the bike and is the fork 130mm or 140mm? Thanks for the awesome video!

  • @WasabiWei
    @WasabiWei Před 3 lety

    I watched this video to relax after replacing an OEM Rekon on the front with a Minion and am happy to see you running that exact combo. I'd rather lose traction on the rear before the front washes out.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      Agreed! The rekon and i have a rocky history. We don't get along very well...

  • @joshuabarney6196
    @joshuabarney6196 Před 3 lety +4

    I’ve just recently discovered hard tail party I rode several full sendy suspendy bikes and when I rode my current ride it was no question I wanted the hard tail. It just felt efficient. I guess something to be considered when you look at these bikes for example pivot verses yeti the areas they are designed like colorado verses Arizona. One factor is Terrain. Its totally different and the rides these bikes are devopled on are apples to oranges. I was seriously Jones’n for a ARC it felt it’s was more of a “down country” bike. Not a do all bike so I kept looking.
    Now I’m seriously considering it again I don’t have tons of disposable income and my days riding are plentiful but pretty 50/50 up/down so now I’m back shopping the yeti but with the slack R upgrade.
    All that said now I’m looking at the paradox. Seriously to many options these days.

  • @87huntermac
    @87huntermac Před 3 lety +1

    Still want to see you on that slack R aluminum Chameleon. Loving how you make changes to bikes you review. It’s different than all other review channels and gives a broader look at a bikes possibilities.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      I've been trying to get my hands on an aluminum chameleon in my size to conduct that experiment, but no luck yet.

    • @ryanmiskin
      @ryanmiskin Před 3 lety +1

      I love how he always reviews it stock first and evaluates it then makes the changes he feels would bring out the best in the bike. Great stuff!

  • @michaelpiggott2186
    @michaelpiggott2186 Před 2 lety

    Hi Steve awesome review and we have very similar riding styles. quick question i have a yeti ARC T1 my friend has bought my forks off me so i have the choice of getting a long stem for the slack R however it got me thinking what of instead of putting in slack-R couldnt i achieve the same result (Slacker head) by increasing fork offset from the factory 34 in 44mm to the factory in 51mm offset. what are your thoughts on that.
    the other option could be go for a 140mm fork with a 51 mm offset would that help the geometry.
    love to know your thoughts and really enjoy watching your vids

  • @claytonjessup6163
    @claytonjessup6163 Před 2 lety

    Very interesting, I am considering this frame ! As a bike build

  • @chiefsilverback
    @chiefsilverback Před 3 lety +20

    “For just $100 you can make your $5,700 bike ride like it should!”
    Maybe for 2022 there will be an Arc ‘HP’ edition????

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +3

      That'd be rad!

    • @davidmaskew
      @davidmaskew Před 3 lety

      Yeah , it's a shame they can't just try and get these things right. It's such a nice bike but should be for the ££££. I remember wanting one of them years ago (90s) when I think they were turquoise and yellow but couldn't afford one and they were pretty hard to find here in the UK.

    • @jaygolden4218
      @jaygolden4218 Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty Do you like this build better than the Spot Rocker geared??? How do you rank them etc?

  • @Gyllbonus
    @Gyllbonus Před 3 lety +3

    I cant wait for the rocker review...nothing wrong about the yetti review its very honest.

  • @raulitocataquiz5165
    @raulitocataquiz5165 Před 2 lety

    Cool bike and a clear and straight forward review. Have you ridden the Mondraker Vantage? Just curious how that bike rides on your choice of trail.

  • @shaunjones7562
    @shaunjones7562 Před 2 lety

    ha buddy good review don't mind me asking what size frame is this and your size bud 🤙🚒

  • @sarahlw5291
    @sarahlw5291 Před 3 lety

    your vids are great - thank you!

  • @wesleywermuth9545
    @wesleywermuth9545 Před 3 lety +5

    Very interested to see how you compare this to the Spot Rocker. This Yeti seems super cool. Going on a long ride tomorrow to see how my new Rocker rides!

    • @wesleywermuth9545
      @wesleywermuth9545 Před 2 lety +1

      I loved my carbon Rocker. I also own a Steel Rocker. If I was racing…. Hands down I would ride the carbon rocker. For comfort riding, I like the steel Rocker. Eventually I chose the steel rocker and sold my carbon rocker. Both are fantastic bikes. I just prefer the steel ride qualities that the carbon rocker didn’t have.

  • @mc540flip
    @mc540flip Před 3 lety +1

    That’s cool you’re able to make it more slack and fun. I’m about to throw a 130mm fork on my Karate Monkey. Would love to ride those trails you hit in this video with it.

  • @mmj58bbr
    @mmj58bbr Před 2 lety +1

    I was a bit suspicious at first... but put one on my Yeti Arc and there is a significant change and I like the new feel.

    • @actionong
      @actionong Před rokem

      What type of terrain do you ride?

  • @HouseThatJackBuilt
    @HouseThatJackBuilt Před 3 lety

    I'm in a really weird sync with this channel. Found it right after buying a Soma Riff (hardtail!) frame. Watched your Honzo ESD review (where you said 150mm fork < 130mm) right after buying a 130mm fork; just saw this after observing my HTA ~66° and liking it way more than my 70° rigid mtb. I'm amusing by this timing

  • @marcpenberthy6046
    @marcpenberthy6046 Před 3 lety +4

    So glad I've got a paradox 👌

  • @joel.2513
    @joel.2513 Před 2 lety +5

    Just got an ARC two months ago and rode it over 500 miles already. I find the bike has great character and spice no slacker is needed. I put this bike through every terrain possible and it did not disappoint, in fact, the ARC is such a fast, nimble and playful bike that it always puts a big smile on my face. I highly recommend the ARC if you're looking for a versatile and high-performance hardtail.

  • @Kactusdog
    @Kactusdog Před 2 lety

    Steve, i've been planning a 2020 Epic HT build with a short offset SID select+. I was hoping to use that increased axle to crown length to slacken the 68.5 HTA of this bike... but now i'll have to throw in this kit with their new IS42S / 52 size to make this even better!

  • @superdomestiquesd
    @superdomestiquesd Před 3 lety

    Interesting review. 2 questions 1) what length stem/ bar width did you use in comparison to the stick combo. 2) do you think, given your reach comments, you’d have been better on a Small rather than Medium? Thanks

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +2

      I typically prefer a 450mm reach. The stock 445mm reach felt longer than usual, especiallt when seated. I'm using the stock bar here. The stem is a spank split 40 (it's the only low stack stem i have). I typically prefer 50mm stems, but the 40 felt good on this, especially seated. I could go 40 or 50mm on this bike when standing.
      However, not all bikes have to be slack in my opinion. But when you lebthen to reach to be long, the head angle has to get slacker or it'll start pushing.

  • @lukasamarzija2065
    @lukasamarzija2065 Před 3 lety

    Your channel is absolutely great!
    I just ordered a Merida Big Trail 500.
    Any chance you could review one of those? Not many on CZcams.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for the kind words. I've reached out to merida, but i haven't heard back from them.

    • @lukasamarzija2065
      @lukasamarzija2065 Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty looking forward to it. Keep up the good work! Greetings from Ireland🙂

  • @PepperandCaseysRV
    @PepperandCaseysRV Před 2 lety

    Very nice follow up.

  • @anthonygarcia3981
    @anthonygarcia3981 Před 3 lety

    Steve, what trail is this. I like the XCish flow! I wanna check it out.

  • @yamahschector
    @yamahschector Před rokem

    So many many good bikes it’s crazy

  • @kylerobinson6102
    @kylerobinson6102 Před 3 lety

    Would you say that it need's the Slack-R if a guy owned a bike like this? It sounds like you are pretty fired up about it being installed!

  • @shawnbenson3873
    @shawnbenson3873 Před 2 lety

    I like the bike with the slack-R sized up. I’m right on the cusp between L and xl, but I sometimes wonder how interesting the bike would be in size L stock. I think you sized up as well and wish you could have gotten a review on a small as well…….I think 475 is around my magic hardtail number. And I wish yeti added XXL and overlapped sizing a bit more for guys and gals in between.

  • @phlatlander7388
    @phlatlander7388 Před 3 lety

    Hello Steve. I'd be interested in a following up/long term review of the Advent X drive train now that you have some more time on it. How's it holding up? Are you still as impressed with it now as you were when you first installed it? Which bikes are you running it on?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      Zero issues. Still love it. Running on all my personal bikes except one.

    • @phlatlander7388
      @phlatlander7388 Před 3 lety

      Thank you for the update.

  • @chriskennel
    @chriskennel Před 2 lety +9

    Regarding warranty, Yeti is aware of this mod and gave me the following response when I inquired about using it:
    "The Slackr headset definitely looks rad, and looks to do it's job well. However, since this is an aftermarket part that uses dramatically more fastening torque than a standard headset preload calls for, this isn't a part that we can approve the use of on our end since we have carbon cups in our frame. While it won't void your warranty just by using it, any damage that could come from use of the Slackr would not be covered by us under our warranty."
    I tried it out and found the following:
    - Improved climbing, especially attacking steep log and rock obstacles
    - More stability, including at lower speeds while on obstacles
    - For whatever reason, I don't need to drop my dropper as frequently or as low as before the mod
    - I haven't noticed any decrease in performance
    Prior to this mod, I had probably 4 or 5 crashes where I went over the handlebars in just a few months, which seemed much more frequent than on my prior hardtail. Time will tell if the Slack-R reduces this, but it feels like it might.
    The Arc was one of the few bikes I could get in a reasonable time due to COVID-related delays, and I'm super happy it's been such a fun ride. I really liked the bike a lot before this mod, and I agree that it rides even better now.
    Steve, thanks for the review and for suggesting the Slack-R.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 2 lety +3

      That seems like a totally reasonable stance from yeti, I appreciate that. And thank you for sharing your feedback with it. I agree, the slack-r really wakes this bike up. It's too bad yeti didn't design it with a 65* hta from the factory, that would have been even better. Props to companies like 9point8 for making solutions like this.

  • @JimLodico
    @JimLodico Před 3 lety +2

    From what I've seen, you've always liked the bikes better after moving from a 67 to 65 degree angle. My question, what are you giving up when you make the switch? Are there any drawbacks to going slacker or would the steeper head angle work better on a specific terrain?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +2

      It depends on the bike. Some bikes I've been riding lately have been feeling too slack, and some don't feel slack enough. It's a balance between all the geo numbers, not just the head angle. In this case, the yeti ARC comes alive with a 65* head angle.

    • @JimLodico
      @JimLodico Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty One of these days I'm going to try it out on my DV9. I definitely feel the twitch in high speed corners. Also tends to walk a bit in the climbs but I don't mind that so much. The bike is so light I just pick it up and put it back where I want it.

  • @richardmorris8764
    @richardmorris8764 Před 3 lety +14

    The doctor of hard tails

    • @dozza7946
      @dozza7946 Před 3 lety +1

      Prof 👨‍🏫 Steve

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +17

      Hah, more like the guy working at the free clinic who's practicing without a license. ;) I do love hardtails though. Thanks for watching guys.

    • @Pozitivi
      @Pozitivi Před 3 lety

      Absolutely 😁🚲

  • @florianhartmann7568
    @florianhartmann7568 Před 3 lety

    Are the Yeti Arc and the Ibis DV9 with the slacker headangle comparable? Would be interested in your opinion.

  • @arlowaisman3635
    @arlowaisman3635 Před 3 lety +3

    I think that it might be better for you. It would be way better before the slack'r where I live (midwest). I think that part of it is the type of bike you have been riding and what you are used to.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +4

      I agree, a big part is riding style. The first half of this video is on flatter, midwest style xc trail. Even there, I much prefer the 65* hta for this bike. Other bikes like the spot rocker, don't need a 65* hta to feel right. Partly because of their shorter reach. I don't want people to get the wrong impression that head angle is the only measurement worth looking at. It's not; it's part of a bigger equation. But with this bike, the slack-r made it come alive, even on the flat stuff and the descents.
      Those who steer with the bars more than leaning will probably prefer this bike pre-slcker and sizing down.
      If I were to keep it stock, i would definitely size down. The long reach doesn't pair well with the stock hta (in my opinion). Fortunately it's a $110 experiment that is completely reversible.

  • @kurtklassen4248
    @kurtklassen4248 Před 3 lety

    Could you provide an opinion of the "polygon syncline c5 carbon" ads are popping up in my facebook feed and I'm tempted to purchase since they are shipping in April

  • @SimasEmail
    @SimasEmail Před 3 lety +2

    It is nice to hear how you compare $5700 modified Yeti to Paradox and still prefer Banshee. It motives me to go out and ride my Banshee. Love your videos. Best wishes from muddy UK trails.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +3

      The banshee is a very special bike. The yeti rides smootger, but the banshee has that special sauce and dialed geo.

  • @AMdvij
    @AMdvij Před 11 měsíci

    Do not think that the preload 30 Hm is a lot for the steering?

  • @Stussy787
    @Stussy787 Před 3 lety

    Any noise from the internal cabling? I take it from the fact they have internal noodles possibly not? I currently ride a 2017 ASR-C with Fox 32SC with a head angle of 69 degrees (although running 32's would probably be 69.5-70 degrees headangle) so the new A.R.C. running on Fox 34SC would run slacker for me any how.

  • @itbutcher1838
    @itbutcher1838 Před rokem

    Which slack-r kit did you install?

  • @ericbeech2652
    @ericbeech2652 Před rokem

    I've been riding a steel frame for three years. After test riding the Arc, I couldn't tell the difference between the two in the rear end.

  • @ryand121984
    @ryand121984 Před 3 lety

    Hi, do you think just having just this bike as the only bike be good enough to do most of the work. I am a gravel rider and I ride trails and singletracks on my gravel bike here in Southern California and I am just thinking of getting a hardtail that can do an XC race sometimes or maybe and just to enjoy riding rocky singletracks here as my local trails. Thank you.

  • @babilevi8506
    @babilevi8506 Před 3 lety

    Maybe it is a stupid one to ask but - if you put any angle set headset on a bike and changing the HT angle, isn't it dangerous? you changing the pressure on some point on the bike? Asking cause I like to do it to my HT Titanium bikes :)

  • @bdubs1967
    @bdubs1967 Před 3 lety

    I get the "special sauce" statement. I think people adding this bike to a stable of full suspension bikes will absolutely love it. I get my slack bike feel from my other full sus bikes, and this one gets me the more XC feel, with the ability to do more than I would on the previous 70° HTA on the 2016.
    I think its a good mix. Now I'm intrigued with what the feel would be like by slackening with that SLACK-R, but are you effectively reducing the BB height? What does a shorter stack mean?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      Bb height doesn't change a noticeable amount with the slack-r

    • @bdubs1967
      @bdubs1967 Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty Would be interseting to know. 310mm is short already.

  • @jmsingletrack2914
    @jmsingletrack2914 Před 3 lety

    I put a 120mm fork on my Niner Air9 RDO and like it much better, I don't race just trail ride. Like to see you test a Air 9 RDO with 120mm fork and head set slacker.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +2

      I'd like to try that too. Last time I checked with niner, they were out of stock of the AIR9

  • @dozza7946
    @dozza7946 Před 3 lety +2

    Could run riser bars to get a bit of extra height on the front end?
    I suppose only the owner of this can truly answer that....

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +3

      Yes, you are correct. I had to send the bike back shortly after I filmed this review. Riser bars or a longer steer tube would fix that. Not yeti's fault, it's just what happens when you run a slack-r with s shorter steer tube.

  • @hamidnorani2239
    @hamidnorani2239 Před 2 lety

    Nice review, i found after using my head seat Slacker on the Yeti ARC only better if i use the bike like a XC bike, as soon take the Headset Slacker away and use my normal Chris King and i go at full speed and put my weight above my handlebar i get so much more control of this bike and really have better control without the head set slacker. I notice at slower driving in the corners that the Yeti ARC not handle well, but if i take the same corners at full speed and not sit on my saddle but put my weight nearby the handlebar i driving on a bike with the most control i ever had on a hardtail. I have more bikes like, the Cannondale FSI, and the Specialized Epic and Santa Chameleon Carbon 29er, but with the Yeti i can go more fast, but on the end really also the most tyred becous i have to stay more above my handelbar. On the Yeti you really have to work to get the most of the bike, but on the end i am faster whit the Yeti than my other bikes. So for my the Headset Slacker give bad results for fast riding, but better results by slower cornering and more sitting on your saddle.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 2 lety

      What part of the world are you in? I find the slackr requires technique changes. It really helps on steeper terrain.

    • @hamidnorani3090
      @hamidnorani3090 Před 2 lety

      @@hardtailparty I drive the bike in Winterberg Germany and in Luxenbourg and spain. I no how to yous the slacker and asap is yous it i notice that i can handle the bike better on lower speed. But on fast downhill i have better control without slacker the bike push me to stay more on the front of the bike becous i get more control by fast downhill becouse i feel safe so i can stay more at faster speed. Becouse this feeling of have more control i can take more risk to get faster and stay above my handgebar.

  • @sixate
    @sixate Před 3 lety +2

    Man, I'm definitely gonna order one for my Stache this weekend. Too bad I can't stretch it out an inch too, haha. I see no reason why modern hartails have head angles above 65.5°. Slack-r and carbon wheels are up next for me.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +4

      100% agree. I really wish trek would keep the stache alive and make it more modern. I recommend a carbon wheelset that isn't too stiff. I've ruined the ride of a few hardtails with carbon wheels that were too stiff.

    • @sixate
      @sixate Před 3 lety

      Thanks for the advice.

    • @painteater19
      @painteater19 Před 3 lety

      Trek needs to get on the modern hardtail bandwagon in the worst way. Perhaps they will release a "Bro-caliber" now that the stache is discontinued

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +3

      @@painteater19 I'd ride a brocaliber.

  • @kaedeschulz5422
    @kaedeschulz5422 Před 3 lety

    WHERE'S THE LAMB SAUCE?!!! (special sauce)😁
    This makes me want one but even if i had the money like you said it needs some tweaks. For sure is still awesome tho. If i had this frame with that Blue i would even on a RockShox i would paint the lowers orange and make a Gulf racing theme LoL i just love that color combination hehee

  • @prejitsu3101
    @prejitsu3101 Před 3 lety +1

    Would a 120mm fork like the new sid help the seat angle issue without losing too much HA with the slack-r?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      It would steeoen both by ~ 0.5* it'd be an interesting experiment. Im betting it'd be pretty good.

  • @jeffhuang5061
    @jeffhuang5061 Před 3 lety

    at 76 degrees effective seat tube angle, on paper it looks pretty steep. why do you think it feels slack to you? is it because you're adding the length of the fork with the slack-r to that raises up the front end, therefore decreasing the angle of the seat tube? or does "effective" seat tube angle mean seat tube angle at sag?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      See the first post. I've ridden a lot of bikes that feel different from how the geo chart suggests.
      Also, the ett measurement will change depending on how tall the saddle is at your ideal height. So I'm not sure which saddle height they measured to get 76* it sure looks steep in pics, but feels far away from the bars and behind the bb.

  • @fatherkangaroo
    @fatherkangaroo Před 3 lety

    can you make a review on Dartmoor Primal and Dartmoor Hornet?

  • @DudeDah
    @DudeDah Před 3 lety +1

    I'm running this bike with an ENVE Mountain fork (with a DHR II 3.0) which is suspension corrected to 120mm and I know the ARC is designed around a 130mm fork. I've been SHOCKED with this bike so far. I'm an older dude (50) and LOVE Rigid Hardtails with Plus tires. Coming off a rigid Monocog with a Chupacabra 3.0 on the front, I was expecting to get BEAT TO HELL on this Yeti. But...I wasn't. Floored me. EXCITED me especially after spending this kind of cash to build one up. I was surprised how stable it was and how well it climbed with no wandering front end. My question is, what might I expect by going with this SLACK-R given my setup. I live in CO and bought this bike for XC-ish/trail/adventure riding and will use my SB for rowdier stuff. Hope this question isn't pushing the limits of what you offer for FREE ☺️😜😬...

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +3

      Slacker head angles change how bikes steer. For pure xc, you may prefer the stock geo, especially with a rigid fork. Then again... For $110 you could conduct an experiment of your own and learn what a slacker head angle feels like. However, it may take a few rides and an adjustment to your riding style to maximize the benefits. Compared to the cost of this frame and an enve mtn fork, $110 is pretty cheap for a reversible experiment.

    • @DudeDah
      @DudeDah Před 3 lety +1

      @@hardtailparty Fair enough. Coming from a Moots Cinco and the Monocog as my two main rides, I have been adjusting to the "new" approach to Geometry. In stock form the ARC did not feel as choppered out as my SB130 initially did. Fortunately I have yet to cut the steerer on the fork on the ARC so I can also play with stack. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +2

      A slack-r will make the arc steer more like an sb130, without hurting the climbing.

    • @kcoRxelA
      @kcoRxelA Před 3 lety

      @DudeDah did you fit a DHR 3.0 as a rear tire too or just in the ENVE fork?

    • @DudeDah
      @DudeDah Před 3 lety

      @@kcoRxelA just in the Front. Running a 2.6 Dissector in the back but may try a 2.8 Rekon as, to HP’s point, it just MAY fit.

  • @smleitch
    @smleitch Před 3 lety

    Hey what helmet is that? I'm in the market, and that looks pretty good

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +2

      Specialized ambush pro. They're my favorite helmets.

  • @Nozes..
    @Nozes.. Před 3 lety

    Wow!
    A light bike is fun to ride! Who would have thought!

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      Not all light bikes are fun to ride, but this one is.

  • @grug440
    @grug440 Před 3 lety +9

    The Volkswagen Golf of mountain biking,does every thing good but there is no excitement

    • @gesundheitstips2197
      @gesundheitstips2197 Před 3 lety

      The Golf is not the cheapest car, but compared to this HT even the price is not exciting.

  • @michaelnuckols6739
    @michaelnuckols6739 Před rokem

    Which part number SLACK-R did you get? TIA

  • @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well

    Building the ARC up from scratch as a do it all xcish/light trail bike and torn between the 120mm fox34 stepcast fit4 vs Sid 35 select 120mm. Cant choose... need help! :D

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 2 lety +2

      Both great forks. Fox has more tire clearance if you ever want to go 27.5+

  • @openroadtravels181
    @openroadtravels181 Před 2 lety

    What trail were you riding?

  • @dekaru
    @dekaru Před rokem

    Sooo... which of all the Slack-R kit is the one that fits the yeti? Thank you in advance!

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před rokem +1

      It depends on the size of your frame. You'll have to do some measuring and follow the instructions on their website.

  • @davidzimmer1773
    @davidzimmer1773 Před 2 lety

    What is the exact Slack-R you need for the Yeti ARC (head tube length) and Slack-R Kit name?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 2 lety

      It depends on the size of your frame. You'll have to measure yours.

  • @nigelbrownwellington6514
    @nigelbrownwellington6514 Před 3 lety +6

    Still editing on the Big Wig, eh? Can’t wait for that.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +21

      I'm glad people are excited about the bigwig. It's coming soon. I'm cranking out videos as fast as I can. I received the yeti and the Spot 2 months before the bigwig. There aren't any other mtb CZcamsrs releasing 3 videos a week right now, it's a lot of work. There's a lot more that goes into a review, edit and release schedule than meets the eye. I'm glad people want the bigwig footage. It's coming, but there will be a few other videos first. If you want the inside scoop, you can become a patron and you can learn about my thoughts on these bikes months before they hit CZcams.

    • @nathanng9609
      @nathanng9609 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hardtailparty Thanks for the hard work!

    • @nigelbrownwellington6514
      @nigelbrownwellington6514 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hardtailparty no real pressure. None of it is in-stock anyway. You do the best reviews for sure though. Love how you had an obviously enjoyable ride, then still delivered a super neutral conclusion. Take your time, keep up the good work. Wish I had some spare $ to kick your way on Patreon, and will when I do. Your content is valuable.

  • @ShaftShackDotCom
    @ShaftShackDotCom Před rokem

    To maintain geo, do you think lengthening the fork travel an additional 10mm might be ideal?

  • @torrapipes
    @torrapipes Před rokem

    I have a question: you normally experience slackening, but I'm curious what the reverse process would look like. My Pipedream Sirius for me, after many kilometers, still feels very slack. Would you advise mounting an angleset to reduce the headset by 1.5 degrees?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před rokem +1

      Yes. I recently did that l. More details on my Instagram..

  • @kwyer1963
    @kwyer1963 Před 3 lety

    The family is headed to Sedona in 6 weeks so what trails did you ride on this video?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      These trails are out in the carroll canyon area. old post ramshead, secret slickrock, and ridge. Trails will be super busy in 6 weeks, you won't be able to ride this fast due to the traffic on the trails. Make sure to bring a bell for the hikers.

  • @David-fi7ce
    @David-fi7ce Před 3 lety

    Can you point the exact 9point8's SLACK-R size and model you used? I have the frame and am building up now around a 130 pike ultimate.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety +1

      Each size uses a different part number. You'll need to measure your head tube and follow the instructions on 9point8's website. You can email them if you have questions.

  • @bikeste
    @bikeste Před 3 lety

    I think your reviews are fun and informative, but you'd like a 78 degree ST angle? Did I hear that right?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před 3 lety

      Keep in mind that geo charts aren't always accurate and bikes don't always ride like their geo charts suggest.

    • @bikeste
      @bikeste Před 3 lety

      @@hardtailparty totally. Thanks for the review. I defer to your experience, as I've never ridden it.

  • @Coyotetrails.
    @Coyotetrails. Před rokem

    Hello , by your experience witch did you like most ignoring price , rosco 9 or te arc?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Před rokem

      That depends. I'd be happy to help with bike consultation over on Patreon. That's my main business and how I put food on the table for my family. Patreon.com/hardtailparty

  • @MrDavecore777
    @MrDavecore777 Před rokem

    Hi Steve, do you think the works components angleset works with the arc?

  • @whatalife6201
    @whatalife6201 Před 3 měsíci

    How would this hold up on red trails?

  • @jthaddeush
    @jthaddeush Před 3 lety

    Great Video! I'm on the fence between an Arc and an SB115. I used to love my old hard tail but I've been riding a full sus for so long I'm not sure I would enjoy going back. Any one tried both?

    • @rufuswainwright8171
      @rufuswainwright8171 Před 3 lety +1

      You won’t miss full suss with one of these. Love mine. Big 2.6” tyres 👍🏻👍🏻