New Springfield Armory Hellion : VHS 2 Bullpup Rifle Review
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- The New Springfield Armory Hellion : This is based on the VHS 2 5.56 Bullpup Rifle produced my HS Produkt in Croatia. The Same company that makes the XD, XDM and Hellcat Pistols. Big thanks to Fiocchi USA for Supplying our ammunition! #VHS2 #SpringfieldHellion #Bullpup
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In my opinion the bullpup is one of the greatest innovations in gun designs. Shorting the overall length of the weapon yet still keeping the barrel length. You have the best of both worlds. Power and accuracy of a rifle yet something compact like a sub machine gun
The ergonomics are often an issue however.
@@BigWheel. I can see that. Never shot a bullpup. I would imagine your arms might get cramped up since your arms wouldn't be spread out like a conventional rifle
Only applies to cartridges that depend on bullet velocity from a long barrel (5.56 & .308 being the two most common). Also there is no such thing as “power” when it comes to ballistics. They also have superior ergonomics. Idk wtf that other guy is talking about. The majority of the weight is concentrated behind the firing hand which results in a very balanced design that is more comfortable to shoulder for extended periods of time even at heavier weights. It’s trigger pull, difficulty with switching shoulders on the fly due to the ejection location (which the hellion mostly avoids due to its long LOP), and price (due to them being more niche) that are the cons of a modern bullpup
@@clownworld4655 I find the people that mention ergonomics as a downside for BP's are just admitting they only know how to use an AR platform and can't learn new tricks
@@clownworld4655Power = Energy / Time.. “Power” can be applied to many many things.
I was shooting VHS D1 rifle while I was in Croatian Armed Forces, very precise rifle with low recoil
Are there any other firearms the Croatian Armed Forces use?
@@TRAZ4004 Zastava M70 AK for basic training
@@elcurrahee4932 Not anymore, i think they are out.
@@chokac1 Yes basics are with vhs-2 now but still some logistical units use m70's on their trainings
@@elcurrahee4932 Otišlo smeće za ukrajinu kao pomoć 😏
as a croat, i feel so proud watching this review! thank you for that.
I carry a Hellcat (H11) concealed daily and it is an awesome pistol. The overall fit and finish and materials are excellent. It is reliable and extremely accurate. Your country is producing some outstanding firearms.
Kakav jugoslovenski rat?
dobro,dobro
@@mirosose6168 there, i fixed it
Aj još jednom ispravi pa napiši,domovinskog rata😉
actually thats a UNSC standard battle rifle. perfect for jackals and grunts
I need a weapon
I’ll take the X95
Go Tar Cocks!
Yeeee… where my halo boys at???
Easier to keep in car
HS actually make great guns. My first pistol was a first gen Springfield XD(HS2000).
The XD's have all been great. The XDM elite is just on another level though.
same. I got the .45 DX as soon as it was released.
My EDC is the XD mod.2
They made a lot of welcome changes with the second version and I love it. Springfield is quality
@@thedude5449 HS Product makes decent firearms. I don't see the Fuddery in recognizing that.
When I was in the army, it was HS 95 😂.
Croatia makes a damn fine handgun I know that I own a XD mod .2 and that thing is the most accurate handgun I've ever shot....I havent shot them all but I've shot a few and I prefer Springfield to glock...I dont care about the politcs ...I'm not BUYING a firearm according to politics I'm buying it for defense mainly and the range(a bucket in my backyard lol)
Bout time they introduced this product here in the US. I always thought SA should have gone into this product vs an AR platform as they were so late to the game with that
Springfield continue to be one of my favorite brands, every springfield i have owned whether it be a pistol,or a ar are incredibly impressive, looking forward to getting my hands on this bad boy
Well it is croatian made vhs 2 by hs produkt(croatian army rifle) it is only sold under springfield name in usa so it is not a springfiled gun really.Same as xdm and xd both hs produkt
a must have rifle, great review as always Mr Sootch!
Loved your review!! Thanks for such detail especially the tear down and reassembly. Awesome video!!
Definitely worth adding to my gun collection. Thanks for the review! 🤘🏻
the disassemble and reassemble aspect to show how simple, it is actually making me a huge fan of yours and selling me on this. Thanks for this video.
Thanks for the break down on the rifle. Being a lefty I was curious. You were the first one I saw do it. I like the rifle a lot. I have the original Tavor and love it. Only have so much room for expensive rifles so not sure I’ll being adding this one but I really do like it.
Great review! Ive watched your content for years, as always good stuff! This gun is going on the buy list forsure!
You the man sootch👍🏾 And springfield armory are not playing around with their firearm catalog. 7 new firearms in 13 months👌🏾
Yes, those Croatian firearms companies sure are cranking them out!
@@ol_gunner13b40op
I've watched a half a dozen reviews on this bullpup so far you're the first one to give a price thank you 🐝
TFBTV said the price in his video as well
@@Klyce I think you're right I do believe I remember he said but I don't remember what it was
Release date ??
@@beeamerica5024 $2k basically
@@KonaLife whoa guess I'll have to hit the lottery 😆🐝
Really like those built-in pop-up sights. Wish something like that were standard on most p-rails!
I agree. I really dislike the trend away from iron sights. This is proof that it can be done well and not interfere with a decent optic.
X95 tavor has built in flip up sights that come from the factory, I have one and it’s a nice feature.
@@just-incase3483 that was its primary selling point for a lot of its customers.
@@just-incase3483 they are night sights as well check it out in the dark
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No way! You’re not going to fool me again.
I’m not going to buy the VHS, and then years later have to upgrade to the DVD, Blu-Ray, and 4K versions.
Blue Ray is old school at this point. Everything is moving towards digital downloads and streaming now.
VHS is short for croatian multipurpose croatian gun(višenamjenska hrvatska puška)
Really like this rifle… Seen every single review that’s on CZcams… This one by far is the best… Thank you… been watching you for years now!
Your phenomenal shooting did this revolutionary rifle justice. Once again, thank you, sir! Luv this channel.
VHS - Croatian Versatile Machine-gun (in Croatian: [V]išenamjenska [H]rvatska [S]trojnica = [VHS])
Thank you. In the end you showed us how hard you made this video and thats the best part. Godspeed brother.
Great review as per SOP Mr Sootch! This must have recently just showed up in our market..all of the gun channels have reviews all of a sudden..Thanks for the Bloopers! yours are the best!
Cool system! Been seeing alot of Bullpup 12G, finally a new bullpup rifle! Hope we get more imports like this.
Great looking bull pup rifle. I'm looking forward to purchasing one. Thank you for a great video.
Amazing design, Id be interested in a comparison vs IWI Tavor. Have to say the Croat's make some fantastic weapons. If they can keep the cost down they could dominate the market.
Thank you for the excellent review Sootch! Just purchased my Hellion in ODG..Can’t wait to use it..Stay strong and safe brother
Great review. Looks like a naturally comfortable rifle to shoot with the bullpup design.
Mr Sootch by watching your video u just made me purchase the 10mm Springfield xdm I really like this gun I was so happy they had it in stock
As they say, 10mm is best mm
"It's really ridiculous that we have to talk about it". Love it.
I saw that and thought, what?!? Bring on the drums...
One of the best gun reviews I've seen anyone do. Thorough without any BS. GREAT JOB SIR.
P.s. Nice group too. Ya showoff.🤣
Especially with a 10mph wind. I haven't shot in years, but even still, that is impressive work. Yup, the word showoff is pretty accurate. :)
That's the most awesome thing I've ever seen and it takes standard AR mags,. Sick !!!
Best review of this rifle so far. It's definitely an interesting design. I never knew of it until recently, but it appears many people are excited about it so there's definitely a market here for it. The price seems to be a little steep, but for what it is and the quality, sounds pretty fair.
Comparing to Biden inflation, it's fair price.
what?
What?
I agree. $2k for a Croatian vhs2 doesn't cut it for me. Not when Augs can be had for $1500 and x95s just a bit more. Both are more refined with history as well.
agreed, cool rifle but the price isnt right. For 2k you have so many more options.
I feel like Springfield Armory has been killing it with firearms. I personally own a 1911 .45 Ronin that I believe I love more than any of my other firearms. I'm looking into getting this Hellion or an M1A from them next.
I am partial to my SOCOM II series M-14.
Its croatian rifle🤣
this is so awesome! I've never seen Sootch so literally giddy with joy 😊
Have mine on order already through the shop I use. Hope it arrives soon for range day!
Thank You for video!
As Croatian Im very proud on Croatian Military Industry! 😁
Another great review! I really like Springfield Armory. All of my Springfields are excellent quality and they don’t break the bank.
Well this one does :-P
@@timunderbakke8756 It's about the same as any other decent bullpup.
Na! You can find it for around $1,750 not bad at all for a battle proven rifle. Not bad at all
They have higher quality than most ARs! Dissemble and check it out! It’s like comparing Ruger to BCM and BCM compared to HK. Everyone likes Ruger but their quality isn’t that great. Why would I pay $1,000 for a Ruger AR556 pistol when I could get a BCM for $1,300? Better quality and better machining during production. Being an import has nothing to do with it. Glock comes from Austria and is better quality than S&W. But your opinion doesn’t matter to me. I know guns and I know quality. You get what you pay for. You wanna buy a Ruger or Smith your gonna have to pay $145. For better charging handle, $175 for a better BCG and after all is said and done your paying $1,200 for a rifle that’s still less quality than a BCM and $1,000 less than an HK and HK performs better, lasts longer and is over all way better because of all the precision that they go through. I prefer my XD over my Glock and my XD was $200 cheaper. Learn firearms then see who’s full of crap!
Ha ha Glock USA might make Glocks for America but Glocks are Austrian you moron. That shows me exactly how much you know about guns. Lmfao
What's up soooch! This popped up and I haven't had one pop up from ya since the Head down Deceptus review. Glad you still doing vids that's awesome man
Thanks Sootch! Can always count on you for a deep dive!
Perfect just in time for Halo Infinite. I’ll def have to check this rifle. I have the x95 and have been happy with it. Time to save up
So im not the only one who thought it reminds them of the halo battle rifle haha?
Sponsors…if you’re paying attention, I know a couple of other other CZcams gun channels released their reviews a day or soon earlier than Sootch’s, but his review is the best and most comprehensive.
Thats a Sweet looking rifle Excellent demonstration Great work
Kudos to Sootch for getting the pronunciation of "ambidextrous" just right.
Spot on!
I'm glad everyone is as excited about this rifle as I am!
Excellent review. The engineering and fit and finish is on this rifle is impressive. I especially like the modular trigger group. On the price, not really much more than a quality AR15 IMO.
A low quality AR will do the same job however.
@@BigWheel. And you can change out that shitty selector switch and trigger pack
This VHS trigger is fine.
It’s NOT an AR. Get over it.
“Train to the gun.”
@@jpmriccardithe trigger is shit just like any bullpup.
Always enjoy your shows!!!
Excellent review, thanks for sharing. 👍🏻
Solid walk through. I've often tossed around the idea of a bullpup for mobility. But, even the NGSW program ditched bullpups once again.
I’m definitely a bullpup believer.
@@timunderbakke8756 I've really wanted a Tavor 7 for awhile now.
@@MagicPrepper that’s a solid option especially since you want the 7.62 for open North Dakota.
@@timunderbakke8756 my thought as well
So i would never take what the us military wants as sign of good or bad. I think the VHS can be a great Bug-out gun. SBR’s imo are awful way to many compromises. I know seals and sf use them but your not seals and sf your you.
Of all the brilliant and interesting info you put into this video, the one thing that keeps clogging up my thoughts is the utterly ridiculous CZcams policy on the magazine capacity. The whole damn video I kept going back thinking of a good reason they would implement such stupidity. Do they actually believe that....you know what? I am not even going to go there. Forget I even brought up the subject. Love the video. Nice rifle.
There’s going to come a point where, although privately owned, the major social media sites will be considered the “town square” and so free speech cannot be limited. That’s gonna take a receptive congress to that idea for it to go through as a law, but I think there’s dimwits on both sides that could get on board. We’ll see. I have a mouse turd’s amount of faith in the professional political class.
So if it's no longer okay to show a 30-round magazine, can we show 3 ten-round magazines in the same frame?
Yeah it's also IMPOSSIBLE to verify and police, it smacks of one of those perfunctory edicts a truly sick minded gulag commandant just throws out there to an assembled throng of inmates.
CZcams is owned and ran by democrats who hate guns
@@charlieb308 Not true. Im a democrat and I love guns. stop generalizing. Its good for no one.
Rimac, now this, Croatians have some neet stuff lately. Very good for such a small country!
Imma need one of those! Great review!
My biggest issue or "downfall" if you will, with this weapon, is the extreme hight over bore when using just the iron sights.. Let alone an optic and mount... Centerline of the scope has got to be 5" above the centerline of the bore...
Yeah I agree. I just generally zero -out @ known range/point of impact to 100yards and adjust fire for any given distance. It seems to work out pretty well for me.
it's no different than ar15 with a carry handle
it's no different than ar15 with a carry handle
Dude. People are buying 1.9" risers just for AR's now. Height over bore is something that some people don't care about.
But it is with the good reason - because of that, recoil is set to be absorbed higher, directly in line with your shoulder. You easily have centered recoil, and far more precise shooting because of it.
Good to see a new Bullpup in the market!
Gledaj kako prži automatska inačica VHS-2 czcams.com/video/yFRBgkQsMe0/video.html&ab_channel=VickersTactical
Wow!!! Great video on what seems to be another great firearm from Springfield. In Bullpup platform, Another firearm that is in need of a home, yes a home like mine. purchasing.
Really nice, and I've gotta admit, impressive in it's features. Been looking at a few, in particular the downward ejecting model from Kel-Tec, but I think this one, with it's features, surpasses the Kel-Tec and is right up there with Desert Tech, pound for pound. I'm also a full sized XD 45 owner as well as a new Hellcat owner, so I have nothing but good things to say about my experience with Springfield. I just have to order one of these to compliment my current AR (Ruger, piston SR556 from 2010,....GREAT rifle). Thanks for the thorough review. I always appreciate your signature sign-off, in particular the "long live the Republic" part ;-)
He’s from the Carolinas
Loved the video. Super informative. Really excited to get one. Been a huge fan of S.A. now to my real point for the comment "won't let us show a 30 round magazine." What?! I'm dumbfounded. Really baffled. What a group of tyrants. Why 25 rounds? Why not 24? 26? I'm done. I'm out.
Great video! Learned a lot about this firearm. So far good responses over the hellion. But could you possibly talk about the Similarities and differences between this firearm and the Tavor.
Thankyou for that video. Very informative.
Great review Don thanks for a job well done very nice rifle
Springfield has been impressing me lately the hellcat I initially didn't like as much but i warmed up and started to like it more never shot one though so would definitely need to if I was going to buy one. And then Springfield SA35 hi power clone impressed me with the specs everything being forged like the slide and frame and a ChF barrel and reworking hammer to be less likely to get hammer bite and making the safety enhanced for easier manipulation and also getting rid of the magazine disconnect safety. All very nice stuff but have heard problems with finishes on them and showing up with machine marks and most importantly ejection issues and extractor issues. I will wait to see if Springfield addresses those problems and hopefully fixes them. Maybe ill buy one then. And then now this gun super cool gun.
It's usually a safe bet not to be an early adopter for a new production gun or automobile. It's not like the SA35 is just another 1911 variant where SA has been putting them together for decades.
Just bought this today at my local gun show. Haven't shot it yet. I love the way it looks but the price tag was hefty at $2290.
These are hard to get as they fly off the shelves.
Pretty cool design looking forward to the NX8 review!🇺🇸
Sootch, great review! This is my second bullpup. My first is a IWI Tavor TS12 after I saw your review on it. I bought the Hellion a few days ago and am awaiting delivery to my store. I've been a fan of the bullpup since owning the TS12 and think I'm going to be a life proponent. This and other great reviews of the Hellion assure me that I made the right choice. Hopefully you'll do a follow up/long term review on both, as I'm sure there will be interest. Been following you for a while. Great channel and and superior work from yourself and with Robbie (I also have one of his compensator/brakes for my AR). Appreciate you and all your knowledge and work. Long Live the Republic! -Bud
A very nice looking rifle 👍. Be interesting on how it stands up to the IWI Travor 🤔. Hope you have a comparison video of the two. Well done Sir 👏🤛🗽🦅🇺🇸
Same! Although this gun probably beats it out.
solid info; thanks
Where's your VHS-2 review, I NEED IT!
@@almostontimehero5415 no kidding. I was about to ask that very question.
Yeah where is you review?
I don't know but I bet they send one with a NightForce scope on it just like the rest of them got for review.
@@michaelmiles6398 is it the same rifle being pimped out ?
Thank you respekt from Croatia
Love the bloopers at the end 😆
Looks to be well made. i wish i could get it in my state...
This looks like a very nice rifle. Depending on price, might have to pick one up.
TFB said 2k
Over the top review , excellent. Nice piece of equipment . and scope choice Tier one all the way. Expensive !
After this inflation, it's much cheaper.
I love this thing. Smooth, comfortable, accurate.
Springfield is releasing some good shit lately
To bad they support gun grabbers and dont support 2a rights
It seems we Croats know how to make a gun 😀👍
Are you able to buy these in Croatia?
@@TheFuriouscinnabun nope. Our gun rights are not like US, but maybe one day will change that. For example I had reduced magazine on my SKS to 2+1...
@@javor007 but where is all those guns coming from for a proper balkan wedding lol
@@mrguiltyfool well...I supose from black market. Here is every 40/50y one war
@@javor007 i agree. I hope a 7.62 x39 version. Is Thompson still active in Croatia
Great out takes today Don!
Nice bull pup and great review. I'll stick with my TAVOR SAR, though. Really like the bull pup platform. My primary carry is a XDM .40. Have had that by my side for a long time.
Great video thanks. If I wasn’t so poor I’d be buying
Your VHS trigger pull was well done. TFBtv and Firearmguy have their trigger pulls at 8lbs+. Maybe it has to do with the refinement of the trigger group? 5lb pull is a lot more manageable and expected of a modern firearm.
It looks like the same t&e gun. Same nightforce on top at least
I’d wonder if the two videos don’t demonstrate what trigger break-in is going to be: start out heavier, and settle in around 5.5-6 pounds.
@@SmokeytheJeep I bet it is. Most of these guys are shooting at least 500 rounds a review, if not a 1000 plus. I bet the trigger wears in nicely enough for a combat rifle
great video and very informative
I love the hellion I think it's an absolutely beautiful rifle. Short and compact. The only thing I would change about that rifle is the very front end. If it weren't so boxy on the front an angled down a little bit more it would be perfect. But I do realize that with the gas system you don't have much of an option there. God bless you and your family and stay safe always brother!
Love the ambidextrous stuff for us lefty's
Love that Springfield continues to be creative and make great and new guns
This wasnt made by Springfield rather its an imported version of the croatian VHS-2 made by HS PRODUKT
@@based_croat4191 yes I see that, but brought on there line, they keep bringing new guns to there line. I'm glad there not like Glock just doing nothing but pistols
@@tacticaloutdoors7553 how good is springfield armory because I heard alot of ppl saying their products are crap
@@based_croat4191 I own half dozen of there firearms and not a single fail in any of them with thousands of rounds down range. I trust my life with them. There's also people that say Glock or crap and we know Glock is great there's always people who want to shit talk a product. If you don't feel Springfield is great no worries choose a firearm you feel comfortable with
@@tacticaloutdoors7553 I sometimes wish that I live in US just to buy guns
Good review, interesting rifle. Will stick with my Tavor SAR for my bullpup
Cool
Nice weapon. I like the ambidextrous charging handle and the bolt release especially.
I'm actually very surprised this finally got imported. Even if it's SA, it's a proven battle rifle.
Read some testing for durability and it said the rifle fired 50,000 rounds without parts failure or replacement ‼️
By the looks of the parts during the field strip, I can see why. Thing is built stout.
Clearly you havent looked into this rifle. As many reported the trigger is pure garbage as is its accuracy, probably why the likes of Iraq have adopted it because they can't hit the side of a barn. This thing is nothing more than a copy and double price of a keltec rdb which was made and designed decades before croatia made it.
@@dylano7242 Yet clearly, I have looked into it. Clearly you have some issues with the platform. Sounds like mostly from hearsay as opposed to what you actually know to be true.
Somewhat useful info but like most crap on the internet, I'm going to take it with a grain of salt.
@@dylano7242 you sound like an undercover Serb
@@dylano7242 Trigger on bullpup rifle is always mushy, but that's not necessarily bad. Poor accuracy you say? James from TFB TV is able to put 1 MOA group. And you said "Iraqis have terrible marksmanship skill". Clearly your claim is subjective. Unless you can give me a report or any evidence that what you're saying is true.
@@ctm5617 you've got him. He is bashing VHS2 but liking Zastava M90..
Based on the internationally proven VHS-2 bullpup, which has been employed by the Croatian armed forces in demanding environments ranging from Iraq to Africa and beyond, the Springfield Armory Hellion offers American shooters a semi-automatic 5.56mm version of this highly capable firearm. The VHS-2 bullpup manufactured by Croatia's HS Produkt became one of the most frequently seen rifles during the Iraqi counter-offensives against ISIS during 2015-17. The rifle regularly appeared in news reports and social media posts and became somewhat synonymous with the fighting for Fallujah and Mosul.
Ill probably be picking this one up
Really nice review.So proud of HS for making this beauty. Springfield should have named the gun Helghast.☺
I'm not a huge fan of bullpups, they're ok, but I will say I absolutely love my Tavor (the original one not X95). It's so much easier to hold up and on target longer than a typical rifle, for me anyway. My only complaint about it is the bolt hold open is awkward and feels kinda cheap/chinsy. Overall love it though.
Of course the manual of arms takes some getting used to, but that's what practice is for. I don't think it's as fast to reload as an AR-15 but that doesn't matter to me, it's not a huge difference and the pros outweigh the cons for me.
This rifle looks pretty nice too, thanks for the review big 🐕. LOL Springfield must be throwing Nightforce optics on all their rifles, Ian at Forgotten Weapons had the same thing on his.
Love the bullpup look, design, and I do look forward to handling one of these. This said, it seems that this model (like most of them) are a solution looking for a problem. The charging handle (and some of the other controls) really look to be less than optimal in operation and ergonomics. Always the consideration when we step away from the standard AR platform. With the cost of these, ($2000), as well of other 5.56 bullpubs on the market, it is difficult to see these as any other than an expensive novelty.
I am sure, as an issue weapon, lots of time using it, the controls become more "practical". Every time I get the "bullpup" bug, I just build 2-3 AR-15s LOL. If this was priced at closer to $800, I would venture into it, however, a $2000 toy is too much of a step for me. Clearly, this model would require a whole set of unique spare parts.
Thanks for the review! I was excited to see this carbine released, and look forward to handling one in person.
Excellent review!!!
300 aac blackout 16 inch barrel, 5.56x45-16 & 20 inch & 6.8 spc. Maybe in near future 6,5 grendel or 6mm arc. Opportunities for custom development are great, for example trigger and lower picatinny, Reposition the safe selector, I have no doubt it will be so. Definitely a tack driver. Nice review, tnx sootch00.
What in the hell is limiting showing a 30 round magazine going to do...people from all walks of life, political affiliations, races, and parts of the world are gun enthusiasts...Just smh 🤦🏾♂️
Excellent review, historical context provided at the start, detailed breakdown which I especially enjoyed, and overall concise review as always! This gun is definitely being added to the wish list at $2,000 lol
Wow what a package, MAC showed his and i guess it comes with a nightforce scope guys! What a deal 👌
There’s no way this rifle comes with that Nightforce scope.
Mac showed his? On social media cause I don't see a video on the MAC about the VHS.
@@almostontimehero5415 TFBTV my bad. They all get the same package it's hard to differentiate them all ha!
@@almostontimehero5415 I think he means TheFirearmGuy channel. Video out today with him using a Nightforce scope.
Seems like a very nice rifle. Ive got the IWI X95, and you can definitely see the similarities
Informative great video 👍🏾
Haha... this thing comes just as I'm looking to break into the bullpup segment. I've been mulling over all the current offerings for weeks. This one would take the cake if only they could've shaved some weight! Still don't think it'll make me cave on my moratorium on Springfield products.
Ditto my friend. I like highpower clone as well but SA views and actions supporting gungrabbers and non support for 2a rights have me saying anything Ruger is better and thats saying a lot.
If SA is dead to you, I still highly recommend the IWI bullpup offering
Have y'all forgiven Smith and Wesson or are they still dead to you?
@@JohnSmith-sb2fp not a fan of ruger?
@@robertlay5015 S&W isn’t the same company. The leadership has changed. It’s not the people responsible for the Hillary hole around anymore
It’s actually HS Produkt, not “SH” :)
holy crap, I knew this was a good 'un before it even started when Sootch started to laugh before he could say, "... let's check it out."👍
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