New S&W Bodyguard 2.0 vs Ruger LCP Max Gun Comparison
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- The New S&W Bodyguard 2.0 vs Ruger LCP Max Gun Comparison. Pros and Cons of each side by side. Thanks to @SmithAndWessonInc and @RugerFirearms for partnering with us.
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Smith took away height from the slide and added it to the grip. Smart.
Hammer vs striker
The bodyguard’s grip is also slightly more angled too
That height of the bore axis on the Ruger is what I like least. It may be time to get rid of it for this!
It helps someone grip it....
Love seeing Maryville, TN on the slide. Sorry Mass, you ran them off. Us Tennesseans thank you.
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Same thing CO did with Magpul. Back in 2012 with the 15 rd mag restrictions. Days before the law went into effect, Magpul dropped thousands and thousands of free PMags in crates from helicopters at parks in CO as an eff you. Then they moved shop to the more free state of Wyoming. CO loses $80 million per year in tax revenue for being woke.
.....how many cats you got catman ?
Consequences 😂
Can't wait to buy another Shield Plus, this time with Murrville on it.
He's loving the Smith & Wesson while trying not to cut the umbilical cord from Ruger!😅😂
@@HectorPerez-jp1jx 🤣🤣
He has been carrying the MAX for basically 3 years now, its hard to let that daily one go!
Great guns both, I’m sold on the recoil for the follow up shot
It's not hard when Smith & Wesson just gave you the brand new bodyguard😅 @@donnyarmstrong9559
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The front sight on the BG 2.0 is also a tritium night sight.
good to know, thanks
My LCP Max came with tritium front
@brucehaynes3044 That's why I said "also".
I don’t think the version he has had the night sight. There’s a couple variations on the S&W website. The one with tritium is the 2.0 NTS.
@@stevekoelliker6764 There are two variations, one with the thumb safety (TS) and one without (NTS). Both have the front night sight.
Of course this drops two weeks after I get a Max 😅
I just got the LCP Max last week..😮💨
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@@heathmichael142 There have been a lot of posting on Gundeals group on Reddit for the 75th Anniversary Edition of the LCP Max. I bought my LCP Max way back in December 2021. I may buy the Bodyguard next year for summer carry if it has less muzzle snap.
The bodyguard is better but the max is gonna be a lot cheaper. I don't think it's that much worse for the price difference you can find it at online.
If you paid full retail price though yeah you got screwed.
@@raykettel1837There are heavier springs available for the Max, it should make the recoil more comparable to the bodyguard
You've officially sold me on the Smith. I already have the Ruger LCP MAX 75th anniversary editionand I carry it more than anything else. But after seeing that extended grip and lower bore axis.... I must have one. 10/10 video once again. Thank you!
You'll love it!
I feel the same too. The LCP Max is unbelievably snappy.
I have the 75th anniversary also. Paid $339 for mine.
I work at a sports and outdoor shop and I will go ahead and tell you smith really did something with the new body guard. Im going to be getting my own very soon. And I believe anyone that puts their hands on one will be considering replacing their current micros
I held one today. It's perfect in every way.
@@Garrett8098
Will it fit in a pocket holster and stay well hidden?
@@berniemadoff7837 I would say it depends on how big you are and what kind of pants you're wearing. I wear cargo shorts a lot in the summer and I'd say I'm average to athletic build pretty average height, and it'd work just fine in a pocket holster in my cargo pocket. That being said I choose to carry it IWB at 3 o'clock. Very comfortable with the Desantis gunhide pro stealth holster with an extra mag pouch.
He down played the price. You can find the LCP Max for $259. The Bodyguard 2.0 is $399. That's a big difference. Especially if you have to buy a night sight on the Bodyguard 2.0.
@@Steven-gv1ke The bodyguard 2.0 has a tritium insert on the front sight.
I've always said that they would make a ruger lcp max with a 3.5 barrel instead of the 2.8 barrel and call it ruger lcp max+, it would still be highly concealable and a lot less snappy
Might be a grip issue. Hands should be fatigued even after just 200 rounds. I don't find the little guns to be Snappy. Almost 200lb grip strength though.
It's not that I have a grip issue as my hands aren't that big and fits the lcp max nicely, but a longer barrel just equals better accuracy and higher velocity. My daily carry is a sig p365 9mm though I didn't mind the snappiness of the 3.1 barrel I ended up changing the slide for a p365 XL one with a 3.7 barrel and has made me overall more accurate with it and very pleasant at the range!
@@BAMewsd skill issue
@@dlittle9556I'm still relatively a new shooter so definitely a skill issue as well 😂😂😂
Isn’t there the ruger security 380?
Your videos really couldn't be any better. So much detail. Appreciate you!
I appreciate these sort of thorough and honest reviews.
I have the Max. It is good, but I don't like the trigger with the internal hammer. I really like the idea of the BG.
I actually got a chance to see one in person,I was amazed how small the new Smith & Wesson Bodyguard is.I asked my local gun store if they had the new Smith & Wesson Comp,or Shield Plus Comp,and they didn’t,but got the new Bodyguard in.I think it is pretty awesome with how small it is.I like you can just throw it in your pocket,and it is awesome EDC gun.The one I seen at the store was sold,and it was immediately sold when they got it in.I feel Smith & Wesson has knocked it out the park with all there new guns that just came out.
Well, dammit, I guess I'm buying a new S&W! I swore I wouldn't. What a well done comparison!!
Same boat. Darn it.
If you be my Bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal 😊
Great comment
I got an original bodyguard I named Betty because of this song
@chrisf752 Nice, unfortunately you don’t seem to be called Al
lol
LoL, nice. : ) I think I'll name mine Paul... mostly because I know it would make him mad! : D
Well crafted Sir!
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@@zanelittlegray I agree
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Comments and other reviewers say the BG 2.0 also has a tritium front sight. Might want to mention that. Thanks for a thorough comparison.
I sold one last week. The front sight does have a tritium dot.
The reviewers gun does not have tritium.
@@roverjohnyes it does. I have this gun and his sight looks identical to mine. He just hasn’t looked at it in the dark or really low light. I didn’t even know mine had it until I went to put the gun away in a pretty dark bedroom while trying not to wake my wife.
I have the LCP MAX and love it. Will also get the 2.0 when all the hoopla dies down 🤣 I'm a 380 fan and this would be a great addition to my little arsenal 😉👍
Oh wow - this is great. Thanks for posting! My wife carries the original Bodyguard and I carry the original LCP. Awfully tempting to upgrade!! Glad to see that the new version of the LCP locks open when it's empty.
First off, thanks for this side by side comparison! We all wanted to see it!
The MAX has been my daily carry for 3 years now. I have over 1500 rounds through it and trust it implicitly. 2 to 3 times a month, since the beginning of this year, I do pocket draw, double & triple tap drills at 10-15 feet with great success. Some time ago, I got rid of the Ruger holster and replaced it with a Galco pocket holster model PRO836B major improvement!
I am intrigued by this new Smith, and I must say, I am NOT a Smith fanboy, but I am way curious about this pistol. I cant wait to get one in my hands here locally and see for myself!
Is it a bad thing to want to own both????
Living my best La Vida Loca here in south eastern Arizona
Does the ruger lcp max have alot of recoil? My wrists bother me so
@@thomasprim8274 yes, it is a bit snappy but manageable.
If your OK with 380, I would look at the Ruger Security 380. While it's not pocket sized, it's recoil is akin to a 22 Mag pistol. 15 round capacity, and reasonable weight.
I have both and recommend both!
@@donnyarmstrong9559 I ended up purchasing kahr 380. Got it on sale lol
@@thomasprim8274 If you have never shot a Glock 42, I HIGHLY recommend it. Words do not exist to explain how soft it shoots! It is EXTREMELY soft shooting. So much so that it's the gun I used to teach my five foot tall wife to shoot with. Micro guns are known for having snappy recoil; the G42 doesn't just have the lightest recoil of any micro I've shot, it beats out most full size .380's as well. It's really an amazing gun. I just wish it had larger capacity.
@@floorpizza8074 do they make it in stainless?
Thanks, Sootch. I saw your vid on the Bodyguard 2.0 on Tuesday. So impressed with the presentation, I went to my local gun shop that afternoon, and to my surprise, they had one in the case and had gotten 5-6 of them that day. As soon as I saw it and gripped it, I told my favorite salesperson: "Sold". Looking to finally replace my Glock 42, I traded it and paid less than the $399 price. It pairs perfectly with my Shield Plus; two great guns. Every other review I've seen, this gun is impressing everyone.
Is it as soft shooting as the G42? I've had my G42 since shortly after it was launched, and have always been so amazed at how soft it shoots. Even my tiny wife can handle the G42 without issue. In fact, it's the gun she learned to shoot with.
Just got an email advertisement for the Bodyguard 2.0 and immediately searched for your review. Impressed that you had a side by side which was gonna be my next search. Very well done and as a LCP Max owner you sold me on the Smith. I only went with the Ruger originally due to how bad the Smith Bodyguard 1.0 was but they fixed everything and more!!
Both the original LCP and Bodyguard left much to be desired. The Max and 2.0 are great improvements, and both good choices for a front pocket carry. Glad we have some good options.
I had the original, and never had any problems with it, shoots great. It’s dependable reliable, and fun to shoot. You have to get used to the trigger, but it’s accurate. I like the double stack magazines, more rounds.
Everyone keeps bringing them up together and this is the first video I've seen of them side by side.... Nice...
If you pick the two guns up and fire them back to back, you will realize that the LCP is out of its league. BG 2.0 wins hands down.
I have both (got the Bodyguard 2.0 yesterday). It's not a contest, the Bodyguard 2.0 is better in every way.
You got the ruger lcp max too
Good to know. Do you get any slide bite from the Smith? That’s my only real concern. Cuz otherwise it looks superior to the LCP 2 that I now carry.
@@trevisgary9393Yes, I got it a while back and am well trained with it but still shot the Bodyguard 2.0 better right out of the box.
@@travispowell2471 I have heard some concern about that, but the beaver tail is substantial and I never felt like I was being grazed by the slide or anything. Admittedly I have only shot 50rnds so far.
@@tylertripp4939 I tried the original LCP and hated it. It genuinely hurt my hands to shoot. I've "heard" that the original Bodyguard was very similar in that the snappiness would punch the web between the forefinger and the thumb. That alone stopped me from buying a Bodyguard.
In your opinion, is the Bodyguard 2.0 much more comfortable to shoot?
For reference, I daily carry a Sig P365. I can shoot it all day long and it does not hurt my hand. It's just something about narrow frames for me I guess.
Wow, thanks so much. Your 1st video was great. But to get a comparison to its closest competitor is awesome, thanks!
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@@-_-_-_-318 I think he's/she's/it's trying to say "Consume", but hasn't that capacity...
Bought the lcp max a couple of months ago, and it is slightly larger than the original LCP, and this is slightly larger than the max in slide length - all of those “slightly larger”s add up. The max prints in most pockets of mine, it does not just slip into a pocket holster and disappear. I think the extra length of the bodyguard will probably be enough to expose the back of the slide in most pockets. At that point I’d rather just carry appendix with 9/357/45, something larger.
I like both. But I think I prefer the S&W without holding either one yet.
Mainly because of the option of having a thumb safety and the build quality is superior IMO.
The thumb safety gives you the ability to have it and not need it versus the need it and not have it option.
I wish the Ruger had a thumb safety also. Just my preference.
Thump safeties are worthless for a carry gun.
@@skoolynugenator1802 not when its in your pocket
@@skoolynugenator1802 You’re right. You probably have unprotected sex with prostitutes hoping that you don’t contract a disease or get a subpoena for child support. That extra safety feature should always be available.
@@zipper396 :)
Sootch always coming through with what's on the people's mind!
I literally just bought the LCP Max last week.. might have gone with the BG 2.0 if I had known it was coming out 😮💨
Exactly
I think many have bought it since the 75th Anniversary Edition came out at such competitive sale prices. I bought my LCP Max back in December of 2021 so will have gotten 3 summers of pocket carry with it before I may buy the Bodyguard next year for summer carry.
I was the opposite... I held off on springing for a used P238 I saw recently, and then this got announced and I've been looking at it all week lol. Definitely on my radar.
@@heathmichael142 my friend, it is still a supurb gun, and though I will probably buy the Smith, it won’t be with a trade in.
@@raykettel1837it will be a lot cheaper by then with possible rebates🤑
Both are top notch imo. Waiting on the "newness" to wear off and hope to get one on sale...and it comes with a manual safety option.
Right there with you. Looking for the safety as well.
Yeah. Big miss by Ruger not offering a safety option
That beaver tail on the S&W is fantastic. Wish more companies would do that.
I have an LCP Max. It’s a great little pistol, but it is a 2 1/2 finger grip. I have the occasional limp wrist failure to cycle shooting one hand weak hand, simply because it’s so hard to get a solid grip. I can tell just by looking the Smith is going to offer a better grip. I won’t carry a pistol without an extra mag, so I just bought a 12-rounder when I got the Ruger. It gives you a full 3 finger grip. I use an Alabama kydex pocket holster for deep concealment. It’s a great holster. Thanks for another great review! 😃😃😃
How much room is it with the 12 rounder? I went to look at it today and my pinky is not touching. I love how small it is but with my big hands I don't know if I should get this or keep looking for a better option. I need about 2.75 inches for my 3 fingers. I tried to look for grip extensions and I cannot seem to find anything. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I carry my LCP MAX everywhere, all the time. Don't see a need to switch.
Indeed, it's in my pocket 90% of the time.
Id buy a 15 rds 380 if a little bigger and heftier for plinking and some edc.
I’ve carried a max for over 2 years and it’s perfect in cargo pants or shorts but a little hard to get out of wrangler cowboy cut jeans pocket. I would love to get the bodyguard 2.0 but I can’t go any bigger and I know my limitations with these pocket rockets.
Put a 2.0 in your hand once and try the trigger and then you'll see the difference.
@@shawnebeling9297 Just don't do it while it's inside your pocket 🧐
Dude, it's a Ferrari vs a covered wagon when it comes to shootability. I own both, and the LCP Max stays in a drawer these days.
Great job on the comparison! I'm a long time shooter and have seen a vast number of your reviews, over the years. This one is one of your best, in that you have done a truly excellent job of covering the advantages and disadvantages of each pistol. You always do, but this video seems even better than normal.
They both appear to be great choices.
Thanks!
I have owned an LCP 2, and an LCP Max. I bought the Bodyguard 2.0 on monday. Holy Crap! Much better overall gun in my opinion. Even after upgrading the trigger on the LCP Max, it still sucked. The bodyguard trigger is not perfect, but SO MUCH better than the Rugers. I shot it yesterday, and it was accurate, low recoil, and fast. VERY HAPPY with this gun!
You did the Galloway and it still had bite? I was considering, but maybe that money goes to a BG2
I also have the Max (factory trigger) but want to shoot the BG2. While I love the Max’s size and weight, it is tough to grip, snappy to shoot, and the trigger sometimes pinches my finger. As a result, it’s not at all fun to practice with and so I rarely carry it. I usually carry a 9, but when I want something smaller this new pistol may be just the ticket.
Damn. This one is tough. Ive had and used Rugers for over 10 years but this Bodyguard 2.0 looks more aesthetic and that recoil reduction is a big selling point.
Good thing Im broke right now
I just bought the ruger.380 max a couple of weeks ago, didn't know S&W was coming out with this, oh well. But I'm still pleased with it, an bought 2- 12 rd mags to go with it. But I typically pocket carry here in Fl, so no biggy. I feel confident in it, with the right ammo after doing a months worth of homework before I bought it. Now looking for a dedicated mag holster, preferably a belt side mounted holster for the 12 rd mags, that will contain it. Thx for the vid Sootch
I've carried the Ruger II for a few years now, and really like it, but was considering buying the Ruger Max. Now I'll have to take a look at the S&W Bodyguard that is basically the same (except for the caliber) as my S&W 9 Shield plus which I carry all the time. Very nice review. Thank you
I’m 5’5 & these 2 guns are the ones I was looking at specifically because of my size. It’s hard to conceal. Thank you for the video! This helped so much!
Bought the Ruger Security 380..hammer fired with a thumb safety, U notch and a fiber optic front.., and if you live in the right state..(which we don't) ...15 round magazine...
Completely different handgun
Its a very good choice but not really in the same catagory as thats almost an inch thick with a longer barrel. This is for deep concealment, that is for edc
@@Gl0ckb1te 1.02" vs 0.88". That's functionally the same size. Unless maybe you're trying to conceal carry in a nudist colony.
@@irysh9Not remotely similar. Security 380 is a Glock 19 sized gun.
The gun I most wanted to love, except it's too unreliable.
At 16:00 Sootch shed a tear at just how nice that BG was shooting..🥲😆
Don't mess with sootch00, CZcams. We rely on his evaluations and comparisons of essential tools.
I bought the LCP Max just before I discovered the BG 2.0. I don't like how the Max shoots, bought the 2.0 and I'll have it Tuesday. The Max is gonna get sold, as is my BG 1.0.
That seems to be the general consensus.
When he said two of the wives said they were getting them I thought he was saying he has two wives lol
Him being in prepper meeting makes this sound believable 😂
@@Gl0ckb1te that’s also one reason why I thought it lol
@@Gl0ckb1te A Polygamy Prepper.
I have owned every generation of the LCP the difference between the original LCP and the Max is night and day when it comes to shooting. I now own the Bodyguard 2.0 and it flat out outperforms the LCP Max hands down. The only thing that I like the LCP better in is the recoil spring on the Bodyguard is considerably more difficult to reinstall back onto the slide. Great video sir.
Great review as always. The Smith looks great and the mag fit looks precision. I bought the LCP Max anniversary edition for $279. with the stainless steel slide. The mag fit is kinda sloppy. If you hold pressure on the empty mag it will lock the slide back otherwise not. If you purchase a mag twin pack at the Magshack, the price comes down to about $23 dollars each when on sale. Not bad. It's nice to see S&W step up the gen 2 Bodyguard. Thank you for your honest and very thorough review.
Ruger will replace defective mags. I got some from Lanboy's Armory that have the feed lips spread too far about. They gave me a full refund and said Ruger did not want them back. So then I decided to try to pull the lips in tighter. It took about 30 tries to get them in far enough but they work now. Call Ruger to report the problem and ask for a new mag. I dropped a mag on asphalt. It fell about and I lost one part. I called Ruger and said I lost a part due to my own fault thinking they would sell me that part. They sent a new mag. I later figured out how to find the part on their website. I may order it someday if I order any other parts.
One needs the 12 round magazine to get a good grip on the LCP2 Max.
I think Smith went to school on Ruger and edged them out.
Wonder if the Smith will be more likely to snag.
I like the Smith, but not enough to run out and replace it (Already have the Viridian Laser, Mags, etc.).
Cheers, Tony
I like how the hand grip is further up and also protected by the beaver tail : more control.
S&W are just killing it. I've put at least a thousand rounds through 10 different pistols from 6 different brands and the Smiths are the only two that NEVER gave me ANY issues. Not a single FTE or FTF, no mag catches, no trigger hangups. Nothing. No matter what kind of ammo I used.
Excellent side by side comparison. They both seem to be excellent SA pocket pistols.
Personally, my own preference for small pocket pistols carried with a round in the chamber is that regardless of strike or hammer fire, I prefer them to be DA only for the first shot, and possibly with a thumb safety too. That's based on some knowledge of incidents in which someone has managed to fire their pocket pistol while fumbling a fast pull from their pocket or purse.
We agree, gun owner error, and that every pistol should be drawn only from a holster in a perfect world. Of course the world we are in is not that perfect world and also many people who own small pocket pistols did not get hours and hours of class room instruction and range time before getting the pistol. There is a reason the ultra small pistols are called pocket pistols or purse pistols or even vest pistols. Something to do with they are often carried in pockets. Sometimes barrel up, sometimes barrel down,, depending on the size and looseness of the pocket or purse. Again, in that perfect world nothing else is in that pocket. But again, I have knowledge of times when that rule may have been ignored and pesky house door or car keys entered into the equation.. All of the incidents of that type I am personally aware of involved pocket/vest pistols with single action trigger pulls. I am not personally aware of similar incidents involving pistols with DA only first shot pulls.
I am not sure why both S&W and Ruger ignore that reality and don't offer DA pocket pistols. Some firms do of course, the often copied Walther PPK, the Kahr CW, the Seecamp LWS .380, etc,
Im gonna eventually trade my wifes original bodyguard for this she complains about the trigger pull being to hard to pull. She has lupus that affects the joints so this should be a great edc for her.
Great review ❗️Thanks for posting ❗️
I will stick with my Ruger LCP II for now, but LCP Max is on my list for the next year 😁
The lcp max 75th anniversary edition is nice and it’s $298-$306 most places I ordered mine through Dunhams Sports
I rented the LCP Max, and it was the most painful pistol I've shot. It hurt my trigger finger and the web of my hand. I had a sore on my trigger finger that lasted about a week. I didn't want to finish the box of ammo I got with the rental. Hoping the Bodyguard 2.0 will be less painful to shoot.
Sounds like you need a .22 Short
@@adamsaylor7427 I carry a Canik MC9, but I'm interested in a pocket pistol for occasions where I don't want to conceal the MC9. A gun that chews your hand up is not something I want to carry.
Great comparison Sootch! I own and carry the LCP Max but I would have to say the S&W gets the win in this case. One thing that you didn’t mention is the issue with the LCP not reliably locking the slide back on an empty magazine, perhaps this has been resolved with the newer guns but it is one thing that really bothers me about my LCP. Again, great video, really enjoyed it.
My lcp max has been nothing but trouble. It has been back to Ruger twice for light primer strikes. I love everything about it except the unreliability. I just got it back today and hopefully they fixed it. If not I am buying the new S&W. Great comparison video
I’ve enjoyed my LCP MAX, no issues at all, but it does shoot very low. I might have to make the switch…. 🤔 great review!
Galloway kit in the Ruger makes it an absolute total win , no comparison
I see the Ruger on sale quite often in my area and online for 250 to 299 I really like the Smith but gonna wait until the new wears off and catch a sale lol
Other reviews have said that the 2.0 has a tritium bead. 🤔🤷♂️
I'm a big fan of the Shield Plus, so for when "pocket carry" size is needed, I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading from a Max to the 2.0! 👍
I just traded my lemon LCP MAX for a shield plus. My LCP was a bad one . Keyholing and shooting extremely low. Inaccurate and poorly machined.
I’m definitely looking into the bodyguard 2.0
My experience as well with the LCP Max, if only S&W had come out with this gem sooner.
Same issues here, but i sent it back under warranty and they made it right within a week. They replaced my ejector and barrel and it works great now.
They sent me a complete new Max after 3 returns. No issues.
@@MultiSweener 3 returns?! Sheesh, should have gotten right the firat time. Ruger aint what it used to be.
@@Gl0ckb1te yes. But the best excellent service. They are in NC so it began with the barrel replacement and testing, but the trigger assembly was junk. Rack it and nothing afterwards. It was disappointing. The replacement is fine. Maybe QC an issue? Don't know.
Excellent review ! I Love my Max and its my summertime carry everyday ! i have big hands and have no issues staying on target with the 10 round mag , i have the 12 round mag but never use it .
You don’t have to pull the slide back to dissemble the Ruger or reassemble it for that matter. Watch the Ruger video on field stripping the LCP MAX and the proper way to check the function. Good video and comments.
I carried the lcp2 for years I switched to the max and been very happy either way it. The smith looks well made but for me the max will stay the winner
Gotta trade my Max in for a BG. Shooting the Max is not fun at all, and based on many reviews, the BG is far more shootable.
Bodyguard is lighter at 9.7 ounces vs 10.8, bodyguard is also thinner at 0.88" vs 0.97". Impressed more with the Smith based on that alone.
He said the bodyguard doesn't come with tritium sights but they are tritium.
There are even more reasons it's better : ... Serrations, .. Grip, .. beaver tail, .. texturing, .. sights, .. overall fit in the hand. And seems more solid and higher quality of design.
He weighed them and the s&w was heavier. He also said the ruger seemed slightly thinner.
You don't care that's incorrect? Did you even watch the video?
I have the Ruger LCP Max and the reason I bought it is due to it's rounded back. These guns are made to hide in the pocket when going out for something quick or for hot summers. The LCP Max has the ability to take it out of any pockets without any snags due to the rounded back.
As soon as I saw the Bodyguard, I knew that I was going to have trouble taking it out of my pockets. Therefore, I suggest the LCP Max.
On the LCP max.. pulling out and reinserting the pin during disassembly and reassembly is easier if you DO NOT lock the slide back. Ruger techs say there's no need to lock it back for field strip.
I wish I realized the bodyguard 2.0 was commin out. Just got the LCP max last week 😅
I'll still get the bodyguard anyway😊
I just got the LCP Max last week too 😮💨
Good review. Thanks.
I've got an LCP Max, and I can recommend it. It's a very easy gun to conceal, especially with the 10-round mag. The only thing I never liked about it is that for some reason the trigger bites my finger no matter how I grip the gun. (I've read that some others are affected by this.) It's obviously not really a big issue for carrying, but when I'm at the range, I put s small band-aid on my finger or wear a tight-fitting glove.
By the way, I also have an original LCP that I carry when I'm dressed very lightly and/and need total "invisibility" - if you know what I mean.
AND I also have a Sig P365. As you say, another good choice, but slightly larger and heavier. But, of course, 9mm.
I am interested in looking at one of these at the gun show this weekend.
I carried the original LCP for over 10 years, then bought the LCP Max. I did not like the Max at all. It shot about a foot off of point of aim and had a wicked trigger slap. I put some M-Carbo parts in it, and it improved the gun greatly. Once I got a couple hundred rounds through it to confirm reliability, I started carrying it daily. I like it fine now, but still want to check out the 2.0
Thanks for the video
Agree with you. I own a LCP Max and like you, swapped out some parts- the trigger, recoil spring, changed the sights to XS brand and put Talon grip tape on the grip. It is 100% reliable, but not a long range session gun to shoot. I will still carry it I like the size of the gun, probably the largest I'd go in a .380 for the pocket. Having said that, I'm still very interested in this new S&W I'm probably going to get one just for fun at the Range. If I do carry it, it would be in a traditional holster i.e. belt holster
@@nebaldeby5369 I carry the Max in the front right pocket, and two spare mags in the left front pocket. Always.
Then I also carry either a J-Frame .38spl or a Charter .44spl (the Boomer model) in a horizontal holster on my belt at the 12 o'clock position. (I have just enough of an old-man belly that my untucked shirt covers it really well. - It is also fairly comfortable and accessible when seated) - I did have to have those two holsters custom made, since none were designed to be worn with the barrel horizontally that I could find)
In the wintertime when my jacket can act as a cover, I replace the revolver selections with a strong side Walther PDP-F (I love the grip size on this) with a spare mag on the weak side.
The LCP is still in my pocket everyday though. It sounds like we put the same parts in the Max's - Mine still has a trigger slap, but it usually does not start hurting until the second magazine. It is pretty accurate now though - keeping everything in a 3x5 card at 5 yards, and in a 5" saucer plate at 7 yards when I really push it for speed.
Hopefully I will find the Smith 2.0 at the show this weekend (for a fair street price!)
I still have the original LCP, and I just saw a sale on one for like $180 at PSA - it was super tempting to buy another one - They make for good reliable stash guns, and at that price, are hard to beat.
Cheers!
For those that already have the LCP MAX and just want to keep it Galloway precision has a turn key kit that comes with all new springs, guide rod, and trigger and it drastically changed the feel of my MAX and it was cheap. I’m still getting this S&W but I won’t be dumping my LCP because she runs really good now……just food for thought
I have the LCP Max 75th anniversary and it is my main EDC. With that said. The S&W looks very intriguing and better built than the Ruger. I’m definitely a fan of the takedown operation of the S&W vs the Ruger. I paid $269 for my LCP Max from PSA.
Nice deal
The Smith sight also has tritium in the center.
I didn’t hear it in this review, but my LCP Max makes me aim low. The backs trap of the grip has a funky angle. It makes my hand want point low. I can tell just by seeing these side by side that the S&W is a better pointing gun.
The best deep concealment/summer wear .380 is still the original LCP or the LCP II. With the extended mag you get 7+1 shots which is sufficient and the extra rounds in the 2.0 or the MAX just make it heavier than it needs to be. 12+1 is just a little heavy for summer shorts. In the Winter it doesnt matter because you can hide more gun and take a 9mm. If you are wearing jeans or khakis sure, carry the Bodyguard 2.0 or the LCP Max. JMHO
Ruger lcp gen 1 has poor trigger. LCP pro has improved trigger and taller more usable sights. LCP2 has wider grip and better sights than gen 1 but not as tall as pro. Ruger LCP Max has twice the capacity and only .25 in taller and replaceable sights with tridium factory front, also locks back on last round. By far the best pocket option. However, LCP has been less reliable with each version and will jam, not lock back, or stovepipe more than original version. I still prefer the max despite this. S&W bodyguard gen 1 performed flawlessly then after 600 rounds started to have same problems as the ruger. ALL other m&p pistols have been more reliable then glocks and my choice for carry. Having a S&W gen 2 with FIGHTING pistol features is a total win given the same relative size as the LCP max. S&W stainless slide and barrel is such a greater choice as my ruger (and Sootch00's) barrel and parts of the slide have already rusted from pocket carry. My M&P9C gen 1 carried for over a decade every day and minimal care or oil seen has had two minor rust spots on the edges and tiny. Simply superior choice and will be my next purchase for the the m&p bodyguard 380. Thanks Sootch00 for this comparison as this is exactly what I wondered after your last video. Glad you were there VA lobby day 3, 4 years ago now nice to have met you, keep up the greatness!
Thanks for this comparison. Just saw an article on the Smith. Watched one other review and have been thinking I should sell my Ruger LCP Max and get the Smith. After watching your video I have decided to just keep the Ruger. I carry it in the summer when wearing shorts.
The front site on the Smith is a tritium night site!
The thing I don’t like about the Max is that the mag often pops in your pocket and then when you go to pull it out it’ll be half hanging out.
Smith takes it - nothing else can compare at the moment.
Just bought the BG 2.0...haven't fired it yet but 3 different gun guys at the range/store where I went to get the LCP max (been carrying the LCP2 for years) convinced me...TWO comments already though...#1) Maybe the slilde will loosen up a bit and a I see sootch00 say it is a bit stiffer but hoping it gets looses.. (I have noticed this on the Performance Center 2.0 9mm a bit as well) BUT... #2)..he mentioned the position of the rear being helpful if you need to do a 1 handed reload...I did not see him attempt to release the slide one handed by depressing the slide stop...I have tried over a dozen times and I cannot accomplish that AT ALL!!!... Hoping someone can tell me that it will change but I see that Smith has redesigned the slide stop and others are complaining as well.. comments anyone?
Thanks for a great side by side review! I’m looking forward to doing my own and comparing results.
The 2.0 is not available yet in the 10 round only version for limited mag capacity states. I'm assuming that will change.
Yes I saw a video with a S&W rep and he said the 10rd complaint version will be releasing soon!
I’m in Washington state so I need that as well….
I upgraded the trigger, hammer spring, and guide rod on my lcp max. The smith might be better out of the box now. But that lcp max is just perfect for a pocket holster.
I also did that to my max. The body guard looks nice.
Which trigger upgrade? I’m considering Galloway for my Max.
So nice that S&W curved the trigger guard up to give more finger room on the front strap.
LCP MAX - You do not have to pull the slide back before removing the tab for disassembly .Keep it simple. Saw this in another video. Just pull the pin and move the slide forward.Goes back on in the opposite.
The lower bore axis reminds me of the czp10c which I shoot well even though it’s a 9mm but it’s way bigger. The s&w I’m guessing I’ll shoot better.
I own the trilogy of LCP pistols. The LCP, LCP II and LCP Max are all TOYS compared to the Bodyguard 2.0. The only problem is, it will make you go broke, because you will love shooting the expensive .380 ammo, since it doesn't feel like a rat trap snapping when you fire it.
Now Ruger is going to come out with something better and everyone’s going to regret buying the bodyguard. 🥴😂
Any who've gone to the Max already appreciated the added 4 rounds, 2 more isn't worth the added cost and extended handle length tantamount to a glock 43. They make extended base plates for the 10 rd mags which feel great in grip with gritted texture. The bodyguard looks sweet though and quite a difference on recoil spring, if .380 recoil is an issue.
wish i had half as much muzzle control as you with these pocket pistols
Hi sootch love your reports as always, you do a great job. I have not had this pistol in hand yet. I also have the Ruger Max and like it for the same reasons you do and I really like the front night sight, you seemed to make the point that the Smith just had an orange dot, but the specs and info I’ve seen indicates there is a tritium insert which would make it a dim light sight also.
Always appreciate your thorough reviews and knowledge Mr. Sootch. I'm going to get my wife the bodyguard.
I had an lcp II and sold it. Liked the gun a lot but pocket carrying it after 2 summers, it started rusting.... in GA. On the other side, ive had MULTIPLE s&w shields but never a bodyguard. I loved my shields, but they scratched easy and I couldn't pocket carry them.
Just purchased an LCP max to give it one more try. It looks like sootchs barrell is already getting surface rust from the video????
Bore axis on the Bodyguard is fantastic, the extra grip length is a huge plus. When are we gonna see micro-micro red dots for these small guns.
Kind of self defeating for a fun this size.
Both come standard with night sights. 👍
Another excellent review. Thanks Sootch00!
Its a good day when sootch uploads
I do not have either one of those. Previously I have had the Ruger Security 9 Compact. After getting the bugs out and it was serviced, now it is reliable. More recently I have purchased the S&W M&P Shield Plus, optics ready. The Shield works better for me, particularly in the grip. I look forward to finishing your comparison, here.
This is a very thorough review and comparison, really well done. Thank you, Gus