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It is a bit wholesome that legend both talks to us the audience and at his troops at the same time. Like he tells the handgunners to be ready to start shooting again. Feels like a propper commander
This is me, but without the "proper" bit. I've yelled at my gunpowder units to "FIRE, IDIOTS!" plenty of times (but I swear it works).
@@robertsprankle6127😂
@@robertsprankle6127 you say it works but how common is it that ranged units don't fire and run into melee instead, despite being on fire at will, guard mode, and melee turned off?
@@hooktraining3966 Never, sounds like a skill issue lmao. Only time they do that is if you are litteraly out of ammo, have the melee mode on or use the ALT key to switch your click to a melee attack.
He's always been that way. There's an ancient video where he was a teenager doing the same thing.
Wurrzag: You didn't bring enough boys!
Elspeth: You didn't bring enough bodybags.
Elspeth: call a ambulance, but not for me.
boy bags
@@boofhead711
ballsacks
@@NcrXnbi ballboys
H a r d
"Sir we outnember them"
"Let's send our force wave by wave"
classic greenskins
"Well den, itz woodnt be a cool looking Fite now woodit-?!"
greenskins racing each other to be first at de humies they worried they wont get their share.
I imagine it like the rest of the forces maneuvering around, till they get to the right position.
they were racing each other to be first in case they missed out on the fighting. They thought there was not enough Hummies to go around.
This feels like the intro for Dawn of War 1
True haha, have a like
All we are missing is a dreadnought...
Good times
@@keipfarand the back breaking
"AAAAAAAAAARRRRGH!"
- Elspeth von Draken, M40
1:03 Huh never heard Legend do that.
Total Moan: Hornyhammer
When she black powder on my boyz til I Waaagh 🥵
He's prematurely evacuating
UwU
The vibrator shorted out
handgunners being a tier ii unit instead of tier iii now makes empire much more fun early on
I love when CA buffs units in campaign like that (within reason of course).
I remember when they reduced the tier of Ushabti for tomb kings and the campaign felt so much more rewarding.
Makes Crossbowmen feel entirely redundant unless you want to not bother with firing lanes for your soldiers
Yeah I still use X Bow for back line, no need ot worry about lanes or line of sight but certainly a lot less than I used to
One very weird, almost useless but interesting information I learned about army losses is that even fatigue is counted for it. One siege battle I decided to pull my army back to rest before doing the final charge. Just the process of waiting for the soldiers to recover their fatigue was enough to trigger army losses. It was really interesting. I didn't fight any other units, cast spells, or use artillery while waiting my troops to recover.
Perfect vigor is so powerful for that exact reason
With vampires you encounter this more often, though it is more blatant with the additional raising the dead that you do during resting.
@@14sixtyone I agree. I think it has to do with the melee stats. Lower stamina means lower stats. So maybe having them grow as the troops rest gives the extra push that makes trigger army losses.
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein I have a mod that shows the stat changes due to fatigue, and it is big.
@@shorewall I need that tbh.
And here I thought Shogun 2 was the primary installment in Total War: Hill.
I wish spearmen were as good as the yari wall
@@AkaRystik Come on now, Bretonnia is already a joke as is.
@@AkaRystikYARIMAZING!
@@AkaRystik Bro, forget about spearmen (and tactically meaningful, non-blob melee combat, formations, balance and everything else we lost with warhammer). The real sadness is how they ruined guns compared to earlier Total Wars.
I love guns. The feeling of enemy army dissapearing is so good. I mostly play vamp coast, so my army is guns, guns and canons.
ya, guns and tanks in warhammer univers.. perfect.. tank vs pikemen.. wauw thats så funny
Its like the new chaos dwarves, they are so bad...
@@donkarnage6986 you mean fun lol.
Ngl I've been struggling with Coast earlygame these past few campaigns I've tried with them, and I'm not sure why. Any tips? I can't seem to make enough income/win battles decisively enough to cover a second army which is pretty brutal with the mods I play with.
@@alexscholz3438 well i play vanilla tww2. But i heard they didnt change vamp coast in 3 but im not shure. Get handgunners as your frontline and learn some gun formations like checkerboard or shevron, because guns are your main source of damage. Usually i try get a morghul haunter or gunnery white in every army, but vampire or deep lore caster will do too. A couple of monsters like crabs or morghules, try for yourself what you find more comfortable. And artillery, usually i go 2 morrars (or 1 mortar 1 queen bess, get queen bess asap, this gun will win battles if used properly) and 2 canons. Later you can replace canons with necrofecs collossus, and your melee line with depth guard. Early game will not be ahrd with queen bess practicly obliterating anything(just be carefull not to shoot it at quick units while theyre on the move), in sieges just break one tower near the edge of the map and get gunnery white to give ammo to bess, whats left probably could be finished with lords and heroes, but if you got a genuene melee unit go ham after yo spent all the ammo. For legendary lords and the ones you get through research get the artillery building asap, you get an extra army ability from it, and keep upgrading it, free spells is free spells. And if you want to, get the replenishment building in the horde, youll get necrofecs recruitment in like 1-2 turns right on the army if you want a doomstack of them. Leviathans are good too. Protect you gun line and keep them firing into the enemy troops and youll be golden. Also watch put for enemy ranged units, undead dont take well to being shot, especially with magic or fire. You can get some ethereal units like sirens for the frontline, but just not against magic. I guess thats the sum of it, further is more about different lords and what they buff in their faction. Good luck i hope i helped.
Look they run out of ammunition
"Let's retreat"
well it's not like they put up signs saying "sorry, no more bullets for you"
The orcs just believed the guns had ammo.
@@randallsweet3675 in 40k that would make fresh ammo appear.
“Do you feel lucky punk do ya? Did I fire 67 volleys or 70 volleys?”
Love "Premature Evacuation". Sounds incredibly British.
Wellington: *watching Napoleon retreat from Waterloo* Ah, yes, they've made a premature evacuation. *slurps tea*
I can hear the British slurp effect.
premature ejaculation yeah that does sound incredibly British.
@@MusMasi Well, now I feel stupid. Egg on my face
Masterclass in gunpowder tactics.
This wasn’t even cheese, just masterful rifle line commanding.
I like having one witch hunter in a gun army, because of their ability to decrease enemies physical and missile resistances.
It's actually ironic that Zhufbar finished off that army. In the lore Zhufbar is to the dwarfs what Nuln is to the Empire. I can imagine that after witnessing what Elspeth just did, the king of Zhufbar would immediately fall in love and run to help ;) Well done Legend, that was incredible
Some rather heartwarming "At dawn, look to the east" type stuff at the end there.
Just saw that in theaters two nights ago. It's been over 20 years since I got to do that, lol.
I just realized how terrifying Eltharion would be with some Ironsides and Longrifles
The elves are too pretentious to use guns those haha
longrifles are scarier in Elspeth's faction imo as you can get hochland scopes characters
@@phantomthunder203 Longrifles and Ironsides with regenerating ammo can’t be ignored though
You very much hit a point where never get close to running out of ammo. Engineer lord gives a few bonuses to it, tech tree gives more, workshop gives even more, and refills on horses, wagons, or engineers fill in the gaps. Mid to end game gun armies don't even think about ammo anymore.@@kindredhunter1887
That's called sentinels of Astaril tho
Wurrzag declared war on me very early in my Elspeth campaign, despite not being anywhere near bordering me, and proceeded to send all his armies to attack me despite Skarbrand attacking him. The same thing from Queek, at basically the same time. They both just kept sending armies through a ton of enemy territory to attack me. Eventually Belegar took over the Southern Princes territory and he and Settra just kind of stomped them out.
The anti-player bias is still pretty heavy, but I guess it's one of the only ways you can really up the difficulty for the player.
They could also just give chaos factions a buff if you play an order faction, or vice versa when you play chaos.
This way when you consolidate you run into a green waaaaggghhhhh that's almost completely wiped out the dawi.
There has to be some anti player bias as otherwise every enemy would remain on 3 settlements and a level 1 LL when you meet them. I killed Karl Franz when he was lev 16, so in theory he gained no XP from that fight, when he respawned he was level 25. My only real gripe with the anti player bias is they get a speed hack. My marauders have 95 speed and are ALWAYS caught up by empire cav/heroes with 78 speed, it's such blatant cheating it makes me angry.
@@Lones555 about karl franz my guess is he just fought some other battles in the mean time, all characters players included get some passive exp but to get 9lvl it would take so much time you'd have time to conquer the world. about the speed there is no cheat the only stat cheat the ai get is if you give it to them in your campaign setting before starting it, the cav manage to temporarely outspeed your marauders because of the charge bonus speed they have if you run away from them, or possibly your marauders being tired or not running or a combination of theses but no addition of stats cheat for the ai more than it is shown
I fucked over Wulfrik in a Malakai campaign. I had taken the Norsca settlements to complete that grudge but I was getting attacked all over and couldn’t hold them. Luckily I managed one turn with all required. So instead of trying to keep them I just started selling them one by one to Kostaltyn. Wulfrik was also at war with him but as I sold the settlements one per turn he kept marching past Kostaltyn’s new settlement to try to get to my next one. In the end it was Kostaltyn that destroyed Wulfrik
You can add a mod to remove the anti player bias but it WILL make the game easier
having flashbacks to the 2 people at total warhammer's launch that organised a pseudo-napoleon battle with 2 shooty empire armies
to be lore accurate with Nepoleon wouldn't there need to be a dwarf involved?
@@MusMasiTHAT'S GOING IN THE BOOK
@@MusMasi The word “Short” definitely entered your thoughts whilst typing that out.
There hasn’t been a grudge this serious since the ruler of Ostermark shorted the dwarf engineers two pennies for the castle they built him.
Very polite of the dwarfs to clean up the rest of that Waaagh at the end.
I mentioned it before, but here's a tip for Elspeth with the dragon: You can use the breath attack (Coruscating Blast) freely and without cooldown if you use another ability or spell while the Dragon is locked in place and the cooldown hasn't started yet. At 12:56 there is a 1-2 second cooldown, if you use any other spell or ability in that timeframe the dragon still attack and it also use the other ability at the same time.
That's sounds awful... I mean, her dragon breath is not a breath - it's f0king molecular desintegrator plasma fusion laser9000, ridiculous sh1t on its own.
And u tell, that this can get unlimited no cd uses xD
Always satisfying to listen to empire fighting.
Hammer Time, the voice lines, the gunpowder, beautiful.
Sometimes I wonder if Legend sees himself as a general in the battle, facing impossible odds, surviving them, and then turning to his men with a shit eating grin and say “I told you we would win.”
Even the Witch Hunter knows he's not very useful so he cosplayed as a bright wizard.
Nice preview for Totalwar warhammer 40k
if your army suffers from premature evacuation please consult with your local commissar
Orc shamans has been pain in the arse in WH 3 with their unmissable 500 m gaze of mork spam , i always target them first
And then every time YOU use the damn spell it either gets stuck casting or just smashes into the terrain...
Orc magic is so annoying with their quite powerful low cd, low cost spells that the AI just seems to use better than any player and also more often.
I do wonder if the AI gets some hidden CD and WoMs cheats.
@@Gorgondantessyeah those are completely useless in my hands as well…
Bravo. A really cool battle. I like the pistoliers with Nuln a lot, that restock is so good, gives them a lot value giving your arty and gunline more powder. Also running enemies down with them gives you more schematics to use.
Honestly your battlefield command and control was a thing of beauty. Impressive work and it’s astounding you managed to pull it off with quite minor casualties.
Slaanesh daemonettes hard at work in the comments.
I blame Azazel.
Premature evacuation always happens when I go to a fast food place
turn 25 with 8000 enemy units is madness
Madness? This is Wissenland!!
good ol' Waagh mechanic :)
what's fun is playing karaz a karak and seeing skarsnik and a friend with waarghs coming before turn ten
@@jacobenke7936yeah I always take him out in the first 5 turns just spam dwarf warriors every turn on the way over and you easily overpower him
that hellstorm was sneakily killing your gunners the whole time :D
I take a bite :)
Goodness how I love Gun powder lines 💕
Damn, that was a solid battle. Very well-managed! Good job!
That battle had some Rorke's Drift vibes.
You mean Orks Drift?
Well now Sabaton is playing in my head again.....their song about Roke's Drift is pretty good.
I have. Ton of respect for the patience and tactical thinking of legend. It’d probably take me like 6 tries of doing this to win this fight
“Don’t put witch hunters in your army, they’re not very useful” but Legend they look so cool. You’re right of course but what you forgot is the cool factor
I was this many years old when I found out you could move the location of the reinforcing units. 🤯
Brilliant ammo management, perfect.
I always use small gaps between lines if I have second line of gunners. If it gets to full contact and some enemies overflow over gap, they are as good as death. It also extent your battle line length. To avoid wind spells however, it is not enough space to be effective.
This shows a love of gunpowder armies. It's great.
i know you are the LEGENDOFTOTALWAR but man some of these battles you win are impressive
Legend: (He moves reinforcements get in point)
Me: WHAT THE @#&£
I didnt know that is possible... Holy shit 😂
Oh my, those 5 units clumped up at 22:30 and the rocket battery misses!! FUUUUUU
chants* Threshold! Threshold! Take us to the threshold!
good ol premature evacuation
Just here for the "Premature Evacuation"
This showed me I have no idea how to use gunpowder units...
It's a whole other layer for sure. Once I learned how to use them better, the game become EVEN MORE immersive
you should stick to chaos, greenskins, lizardmen, or ungrim
I was just thinking “It would be funny if those dwarfs- oh, ok.”
A work of beauty.
I literally had a similar issue but it was like turn 14. 4 freakin full stacks of green skins came out of the mountains and smashed my army to bits. I went back and recruited 6 Knights of the Black Rose and outriders and an emperor's wrath, then rolled all four stacks of green skins into body bags.
Ah, yeah. The good old tactics of human wave
"Honey, i'm prematurely evacuating!!"
zuhpbar taking care of the premature evacuation
Is it better to focus on more handgunners than nuln ironsides? I do know that nuln ironsides has 30 less units but they got the better damage and the reload and accuracey buff when staying still so they can shoot faster and hit easier. But more entities means more firepower output so... How would you build an army with them?
Faith, Steel and Gundpowder!
How is AI even allowed to have this many troops and throw them ALL at the player without regard for protecting their own territory is BEYOND ME
It's absolutely silly. Whenever this sort of thing happens I always ask "what are you doing dawi? The badlands are open and free for the taking ffs"
This makes me want some shogun videos
When did they add orks into empire total war? I need to check this out!
you can move your reinforcements entry point!? whaaat, I had no idea, this changes everything ahah
Amazing play
Witch Hunters are now kinda worthy to be in armies because of the 33% vigor lost reduction for whole army vs greenskins and most chaos forces (I assume having 3 would be like having Perfect Vigor) and/or the 20% ambush defense change, but if it was on me they could be buffed for combat like giving them 10 more move speed (I know they are not getting a mount so them moving at like 45 move speed would be nice and believable considering they are light armored and use quick weapons) and/or the actual thing I would like is to have them dual wield pistols to double the dps a la Saltzpire, and when go in melee they go back to having one pistol and the Rapier.
Premature evacuation is a common Slaneesh strategy.
If you want a little exploit with the laser breath where if you cast Spirit Leech mid cast of the breath it doesn't use a charge or go on cool down - you can delete lords with it
The pistolers can restore ammo as well.
After watching some of your earlier playthroughs (thanks for leaving them up) It's weird to come to a video without swearing in half the sentences and ending the video by asking us to go to your Facebook
I never knew you could move the reinforcements... I can do allot with that.
Legend, WTF? You said this was a Warhammer 3 replay, this is CLEARLY a Shogun 2 FotS replay!
Average day for an imperial PdF
I wonder how would people react to AI that would be actually intelligent and could adapt to situation to prioritize different units instead of just heroes, to recognize that the biggest DPS is on the backline and ignore frontline.
I prefer to place the gun units deep instead of wide, because they don't friendly fire themselves - so either all in one line or similiar to a checkerboard with more space inbetween for two lines. Way less friendly fire.
Edit: Premature evacuation lmao
That one is brilliant
Even other units of guns?
@@DIEGhostfish All Infantry gun units where the double line formation would result in a lot of friendly fire. If the hill is steep enough or the enemies are coming down a hill it might not be necessary - but i generally place them either wide or in a square with some space between the units so they can turn fast (sides of formations for example)
Dancing prophet imposition early crisis management
I pretty much just turn off hellstroms fire at will the moment the enemy gets close. Wish there were more options for target selection such as "prioritize range/melee/cavalry etc
Wish the AI wouldn't trickle in reinforcements in a column
Had the similar battle but managed to bait AI with another lord that has less "powerful" army, full of pistoliers.
I love fighting green skins. They bring so much stuff.
What's with Wurrzag heading into the empire? Currently playing all skaven campaign with friends and this guy is straight up roleplaying Gorebad
He's missed the whole point of putting the witch hunter in his gun army and didn't spec accusation!!
The mechanical steed is a good mount not because its a good decision to equip or use but because its cool
Early pull out, evacuation....
Excuse me but what was that at 0:00? 😁
Coke snort by the sound of it
Magic! *Snort snort*
@@vinesgg3578so that's how legend does it
I actually like to combine witch hunters while having extra powder with mortars since they can get snipe.
Battle of Culloden circa 1746 colorized.
When Shogun or medieval?
This is going to seem like a stupid question but how do you always keep your troops grouped in the same position without actually grouping?
Hi I'm a recent immigrant to your channel from Turin - forgive my curiousness if this has been asked before but do you have no interest in the damage values of units? It kills me that I didn't see the value of the Nuln Ironsides lol
did they patched elspeth infinite laser? with that, shes always killing all single entities quite easily
Black powder blessed!!!
The tittle gave me a bit of a stiffie
Would this battle be easier with streltsi? The stats of streltsi seem better but there is something on hand gunner that i dont understand
Streltsi have the exact same missile DPS and range as handgunners. They have a little less ammo though and Kislev doesn't have restock ability, or good artillery
It's time to go beyond 1080 milord. It's with the times, and gaming screens make your video blurry compared to your competition. Just some thoughts, thanks.
You can change where the reinforcements come from? WTF?! Gonna play with that in the future
yep, it increases the time they take to arrive though, so take that into account.
Lets find some coffee to active brain mode. Ok range stand off is a great thing paired to AoE and CC magic to delight odds = Deny terrain. . Von Draks true enemy would be a mystery date w Imrik;3
Should have just responded "Go play dwarfs"
YOU CAN DRAG THE REINFORCEMENT THIUNG>?????
Has anyone tried out a gun stack like that but with nuln ironsides as a quasi-frontline?
It will mostly play out as chaos dwarf fireglaves.
Before the ability was removed by the mod author, I used the warband upgrade mod to get Elspeth a full Amethyst Ironsider/Outrider/Hellstorm stack with a few long rifles for medium range. It was brutal as
Engi lord. Nuln ironsides fronline. Long rifles in the back with a great cannon. Army held off chaos dwarves and even a 3 stack of them. Up until I traded in for a steamyank frontline.
My favorite army comp for Elspeth is 6 amethyst iron sides, 4 hochland long rifles, 4 hellstorm rocket batteries with at least 3 engineer heroes with the long rifle trait, last two spots can be what ever you want. It's devastating.
@@scimitarleader What's that mod do now vs what it used to*?
Shogun 2 experience paying for itself!
Defense in depth ftw. Chaos and especially greenskins/ogres/norsca feel pretty mild with their mostly melee rosters. Truly, warhammer has moved to the age of ranged combat (and a bit of blitzkrieg with monsters, admittedly)
Mechanical steed should have speed buffed and/or just have perfect vigour so it can never go below it's speed naturally. I still use it because it looks cool and atleast has more armor and melee stats.
I want this battle's replay
nvr sent a warrgh wave to a gun fight
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