Spider-Man: Edge of Time's Puzzling Storytelling
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- 0:00 - Intro
1:16 - The Plot
34:33 - Peter Parker
46:06 - Miguel O’Hara
49:15 - CEO Peter Parker
52:02 - Conclusion
52:32 - Disagreement Day
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As outlined in the video, if you have a disagreement, Colin and I stream every week or two to run “Disagreement Day.”
If you have a disagreement, feel free to join the stream and we’ll hash it out. Also feel free to reply here if you’d like to join for Edge of Time specifically.
Everything you said sk here does actually make sense
That you could say the core concepts and ideas are there
But they either didn’t explain it well enough or how it was told was the problem
I will say the 4 things you could change that would make this story work despite any other flaw
Would be this
Have peter be his first day into alcemax which he doesn’t get through a dna to them but his dna would still gotten into the system assuming this is the day peter died
Have peter when he is stuck in the future instead of wanting to stay for selfish reasons wants to stay to learn all he can about the future to do more good and Miguel argues over what is safe to know vs what’s not safe to know as peter and 2099 knew of eachother even before the whole time travel stuff it’s a case moral accountability with knowledge and have this play into evil Peter
Evil Peter would be a result of both stopping stopping slone and what slone did that alternated the time line
As Peter should never be ceo Peter in the original time line since 2099 Spider-Man would have known if Peter is ceo or vis versa
Then you could say an explanation to why Peter convinces Peter to save mj is what Miguel said at the end credits and it’s alexemiac that’s the vortex of the time storm
Hence why only things in the building are mostly effected
Meaning some things in the time line will remain permanent once they happen hence why Peter and Miguel remember or just have full knowledge and experience in the whole event
meaning mj dying slone anti venom or Otto if they die will die even if the time line
As a means to show the consequences of time travel since if this quantum causality should make it so if something in the past does happen it will end up changing the future for good
Hence why ceo peter even attempted to change the time line, he wouldn’t change it if it was only temporary or could truly be reversed once the time storm hit its peak
The universe would either explode ceo peter would get his own draft of the universe
Or they reverse it
As those are the only options
And even then reversing the time storm doesn’t revert everything back to the way they were hence if Peter and Miguel found this out then Peter wanting to save mj and Miguel thinking she be find was wrong then it fix that whole scene
Fun fact: Peter being the CEO of Alchemax is something that Peter David had originally intended for the 2099 comics
Kinda cool that he managed to create that original idea of his.
Now, if only it was at a better script.
S.K always picking a fight with the Spider-Man fandom.
For real, dudes thrown potshots against everything. PS4, Spiderman 2, Spectacular, the MCU movies, the Webb movies, nothing can stop S.K.
I mean, I prefer the presentation in this video because it feels more like I'm trying to have a conversation than like I'm trying to deliver a "takedown."
To be fair he isn't the first with this opinion of edge of time. Don't get me wrong, I love this game but it has it's flaws
I don't know a single person who unironically liked edge of time for the plot. It felt like a jumbled mess even if your brain was turned off while playing it. And the people who DO like it admit it's just shattered dimensions but worse. S.K came in with a very honest take, this isn't some spider man ps4 BS, the arguments made here are very solid
I think they missed a huge opportunity with CEO Peter. Especially with connecting Peter's selfishness for his loved ones over billions.
The CEO's obsession seems to stem from him failing to save the people he loved while not caring about the consequences.
This is very much in line with your criticism with Current Peter where he takes precedent of his loved ones over billions of people. They missed an opportunity to have Current Peter face his future self and look at how that way of thinking turns him into a monster.
One more thing to add in regards to Peter Parker's character. He routinely utilized bad faith debate tactics. You ask him for references, 95% of the time he does not provide you anything. This is because there is usually evidence that contradicts whatever he's claiming.
The Amazingly Spectacularly Disingenuous Spiderman
The Disingenuous Bad Faith Spider-Man
@@s.k.4289 The Copetacular Spider-Man
@C0LIN. 😂😂😂😂😂WHY do I feel like we're gonna be expecting a 3rd Colin response to sk when should I set my calander 😂😂😂😂
Bros criticizing my fav childhood Spider-Man game💀
You're saying the lives of a billion loved ones are more important than my strangers?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
This is unironically the worst line Spider-Man has ever said
Miguel was in the portal when everything changed which is why he wasn’t affected by the changes.
That’s never said in the game nor is that based on anything consistent in the game. He still wasn’t affected by changes while he was away from the portal, same goes for Peter. Additionally, Quantum Causality actively rewrites history. That includes Miguel’s journey to the gateway.
@@s.k.4289 He was in the portal when 2099 changed. The tentacles holding Miguel prevent him changing along with 2099 because he was stuck in the portal. He didn’t change when he got out because everything in 2099 already changed.
"He was in the portal when 2099 changed."
Quantum Causality would still rewrite history. And that doesn't address how Peter AND Miguel are unaffected by the timeline despite being away from the portal. You didn't show anything stated or implied by the game, so what you're saying is a theory at best. And it doesn't even work because it's not consistent with what we see.
"The tentacles holding Miguel prevent him changing along with 2099 because he was stuck in the portal."
These never show up later (for some reason) and that doesn't change the fact that Quantum Causality would actively change history, which extends to what Miguel experiences. Furthermore, he shouldn't see the Daily Bugle through the portal if those changes were already made. If he is seeing Peter at Alchemax, the timeline already changed. There is no reason to see the Daily Bugle.
Peter doesn’t remember working for the Bugle. Peter remembering the other Spider-Men simply means Shattered Dimensions still happened, just like how MJ is still his girlfriend in the Alchemax timeline.
This is not consistent as Peter is frequently aware of changes on the spot, as is Miguel when he isn’t even near the portal. The explanation you’re attempting to give isn’t in the story, nor is it an assumption that’s based on anything consistent in the narrative.
@@s.k.4289your wrong it’s literally stated in game that he was stuck in the gateway hence why he wasn’t effected by the timeline change. You definitely don’t know anything about science fiction logic
44:40 😎Ah yes. The ‘Chad’ ATSV Miles Morales VS The ‘Virgin’ EOT Peter Parker
The difference between them is that one is fully aware of the consequences of what the changes will ensure while the other one was given half an explanation then imprisoned and then chased after.@JustAUser231
We need Batman: Edge of Time. Young Bruce Wayne and Terry Mcginis.
That would actually be very interesting to see, but that would honestly be cooler to me as a movie.
They actually did this in JLU
@@Bugplanet8840
Yes but a full fledged story between Batman and Batman Beyond
Bro chill my childhood😭
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones? You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?
Edge of Time is not a closed timeloop, it's not working under Terminator rules. The game starts in the original timeline and when Sloane travels back in time he creates a new one, Miguel doesn't go back with him because the gateway runs out of power and is instead spit out in the alrernate timeline 2099. The changes shouldn't affect him because he comes from the original 2099.
No, Miguel doesn’t go back with him because these random time tentacles showed up. It doesn’t matter if Miguel comes from the original 2099. Peter cane from the original 2011, and he was still affected by changing his occupation. Furthermore, Miguel explicitly states that the wormhole at the gateway prevents the creation of an alternate timeline, and therefore connects Peter’s time to 2099.
@@s.k.4289 Those tentacles show up because the Gateway didn't have enough power to send two people through which is why it spits Miguel out into the alternate timeline 2099.
The game explains that the only reason why Quantum Casuality occurs is because the two Gateways are connected and that normally changing the past would only create an alternate timeline. The Peter in this game doesn't come from the original 2011 as Sloane travelled back to the 1970s before he was even born so there's no reason for him to remember how things originally were. It would only be until Sloane builds the second Gateway in 2011 that Quantum Casuality would come into effect.
The gateway would shut down instead of running continuously if the issue was power. The tentacles are clearly a method of restraint as the gateway is running. There’s nothing more to say about them because the story doesn’t bother explaining any of this stuff.
Quantum Causality came into effect when Sloan went to the 1970s. We see this in the introduction when Miguel’s world changes. Only one side of the wormhole needs to be operational for this to work. If you want to claim that both of the wormholes need to be active for Quantum Causality to work, then you’re introducing more plot holes. Firstly, a plot point in the story is that Miguel’s side loses power. If that’s the case then he can’t talk to Peter Parker, nor can Peter Parker use Quantum Causality to change things in Miguel’s time. The reason neither of these can happen under you claim is because the wormhole is what prevents Peter’s past from diverging into its own separate timeline, disconnected from Miguel’s. Miguel states this. The wormhole maintains that connection, and because 2011 has a working wormhole, the Quantum Causality connection remains intact. If we needed both of them for Quantum Causality to work, you’re still left with gaping holes that break the premise of the story.
@@s.k.4289 I mean, the Gateway literally shuts off right after Miguel is thrown out and the tentacles are brought up later in the game when Peter gets attacked by Atrocity's tentacles for the first time, Miguel mentions they showed up because the Gateway overloaded.
Miguel jumping into the Gateway right as Sloane was going to the past is also the reason why he still remembers the original 2099 and the game *does* explain this during the credits sequence when Miguel is talking to Peter: czcams.com/video/N_XDk_ZWKFc/video.htmlsi=Yf43l3GhyLebQuEq
If you want to be pedantic about it, Sloane going to the past and founding Alchemax in the 1970s would create an alternate timeline separate from Miguel's present and the wormhole wouldn't be created until he builds the second Gateway in his timeline, it's only then that Quantum Causality would come into effect and merge the two timelines together effectively changing Miguel's present. I never said the two Gateways needed to be active for Quantum Causality to work, I merely said the two Gateways created the wormhole as that's exactly what the game tells us: czcams.com/video/puv0bOvu_2A/video.htmlsi=0461itTxt36ZSb2h
11:26
"The *two* gateways created a link between our times... normally changing the past just creates an alternate timeline but thanks to the whormhole what you do there affects my time and vice versa."
So no, Quantum Casuality wouldn't have come into effect in the 1970s as the second Gateway didn't exist yet. The two Gateways also don't need to be active for the wormhole to exist because it's like drilling a hole into a wall with two machines, the hole is still gonna be there if one or even both machines are destroyed but without the machines you wouldn't have made the hole in the first place. The wormhole also has no bearing on Miguel and Peter being able to communicate with each other as Miguel accomplished that thanks to a cronal link program that used Peter's DNA as it's explained in-game and has no relation to the Gateway. Even during the game's ending both Spider-Men are still capable of talking to each other despite the wormhole being closed.
Basically your criticisms that the story doesn't make sense because Sloane could have altered the past so that Miguel never became Spider-Man and that Sloane would need to make sure that there's a Sloane in 2099 to travel back in time are moot because they only apply to a story that's a closed time loop and is working under Terminator rules which Edge of Time is not. You cannot change the past within a closed time loop because you were always meant to travel back in time and whatever you do in the past is what ultimately lead you to go back in time.
Sloane changed the past which straight away shows it's not a closed loop because the reason he travelled back in time was to found Alchemax years before it was originally founded and prevent Stark Fujikawa from taking over, he wouldn't have any reason to do that in this new timeline but it doesn't matter that there's no Sloane to travel back in time because the Sloane that founded Alchemax in the 1970s comes from the original timeline and does not come from the new timeline's 2099.
Similarly it doesn't matter if Sloane alters things so that the new timeline's Miguel never becomes Spider-Man or is never even born because the Miguel we follow through the game comes from the og 2099 and remains unaffected by the changes because he was in the middle of the time vortex when they were made. It's likely that during the games events there was a second Miguel running around that actually comes from that timeline's 2099.
"Execute Floor 66." ~ Emperor Sloan
SK is just an Anomoly atp and the SM fandom is the Spider Society
They’re gonna try to Hank Schrader me over this
@@s.k.4289 “The names Eddie Ming, and you can go fuck yourself”
You’re saying the lives of billions of loved ones are more important than my strangers?
Then come on Disagreement Day and defend it.
@JustAUser231no it’s just you don’t want to debate him….
@JustAUser231 make one then
@JustAUser231I love how you want to get all argumentative but then when he invites you to debate him you go “woah woah that’s going to far, I can’t make a discord account which takes 5 seconds.”
But SK, the creator of Miguel wrote the game, therefore good 🤓
You and Colin are already using the sm2 posses proof the spider society is growing
oh yeah, you released this right before i was gonna go have a smoke sesh, ik what im listening to now
bro real shit im having a smoke sesh rn and loving this😂
You say that Miguel telling Peter that fixing the time stream will bring back MJ will shut him up about saving her. I don’t think he’d let her go through that. If he encountered anyone dying in this game he’d help them. He wouldn’t write it off saying “Eh, he’ll be back”.
Okay, then by that standard, he let countless people throughout history die by never looking into the archives of everyone else who died throughout history.
And regardless, "they'll die but be back like it never happened" is better than "reality gets destroyed."
@@s.k.4289 that’s why they have to point out that it’s happening right there at alchemax. If she was dying somewhere else he’d be convinced to stay on course to make sure it never happens. Also the only time they say that all of reality will be destroyed is during the final boss. Otherwise it’s just a bad future.
@@JlopezocasioI'm not sure how MJ being in Alchemax was "needed" for that plot point to happen. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that.
Also, it might have simply been just "a bad future", but their whole point was still stopping it and erasing it, tgus resetting everyone right where they belonged.
@@vaggos2003it was needed cause the game had a lower budget then shattered dimensions, simple as that
@@orlandojosemoraamaya363 How is that a response to my point in terms of in-universe logic?
Ok but do they have spines growing out of their backs🤔
Comic Legend! Comic Legend!
Lets goooo
So a slightly different reading of the events fix most of the quantum issues. When Miguel was stopped by the time tentacles, he was separated from his timestream. That's why he's not effected when the world around him is. And peter in the future is not native to the area, so he also keeps memory of the alterations after being separated by the timegate when he goes to the future
Peter is ignorant to the changes of his profession yet is aware of the changes due to Quantum Causality. Also, it’s still Miguel’s time because Spider-Man 2099 still exists in the time period’s history. He didn’t just disappear from existence.
@@s.k.4289 I don't think I worded what I meant correctly. I believe the Miguel in the entire game is the same one from the opening timeline because he entered the original portal before before any changes had been made. The time energy he gets stuck in is because the timeline is in the process of changing and that's why he got visions of some of the major changes (spiderman is remembered as the greatest hero of the 21st century in most 2099 stories, so his death coming early would be a MAJOR change). Miguel being inside the timestream is what he's referring to when talking about the observer paradox. If he did not jump into the portal at the beginning, he wouldn't have kept any of his original timeline memories, and the game wouldn't have happened. This is why Peter is the new timeline version of himself, while Miguel is the original timeline version. Peter then gets pulled from his natural flow of time first by his direct link to Miguel in the future acting as a sort of anchor for them both, and second by being brought to the future through the time machine.
The game doesn't explain any of this, so it could be wrong. This is just the only way I can justify the quantum entanglement
"Are you saying streaming this video is more important than going to bed?" - Peter Prolapse
"spider man isnt heroic"
48:04 No trurer words can be said about Spider-Man other than this.
Nah what do you mean, Peter david wrote this and also insomniac Peter got stuck under a fridge
If I can describe this game “66th FLOORR” “AWWW SHOCK” “PETER ARE YOU THERE” “SLOW DOWN PARKER” and Quantum Causality
But don't you know that this Miguel is better than the one in ATSV?
Even if Miguel would tell Peter that MJ death would be prevented anyway if they fix everything. I don’t think Peter would be ok with letting MJ die. It doesn’t feel in character for him to let someone die. Despite some of the criticisms you gave on EOT Peter.
She doesn't die if Miguel's plan is finished, this has been established in what the video provided.
It's not in character for Peter to risk the destruction of reality just to save someone who will be saved anyway. And as the video outlined, you can't argue "Peter is doing this because he won't let people die," because by that logic, he should look at the archives for everyone else who died in history and use that future knowledge to prevent those deaths. He doesn't do that.
She doesn’t die in the first place.
No she wouldn’t. You can’t die from an event that is written out of existence.
You lose the “what if” game the second you account for the fact saving MJ could destroy all of reality.
And if they fail to reverse Sloan’s actions, then the time-stream remains out of control and can destroy reality.
Sticking with Miguel’s plan is the most likely scenario where reality is saved and MJ still lives.
@JustAUser231They would lose valuable time saving reality if they went to save MJ, which is exactly what happened. This us how saving MJ could affect the lives of one billion strangers and both Spider-men are so lucky that reality was still savable.
Also, you fail to realise tgat whether MJ lived or died it wouldn't matter because her presense would be completely transported as living in the old, now new, timeline.
Great video SK. Also, what happened to the old Thumpcast livestreams? I can't find them on your channel anymore I felt like rewatching some and catching up on some like the Civil War debate.
He made a video where he explained that he deleted/privatized his older content and why he did it.
@@vaggos2003 Oh okay I understand. But it would be nice to at least have certain streams available at least, do you know anyone who has it or how to get access to any past streams? Or is it all gone and only SK's?
@@yospidey0078 All and only S.K.'s streams have been privatized. Beyond that, I have no idea.
great video! true that there’s story problems, but overall i loved the game and this was one of my first spiderman games so im always gonna have bias on it
41:43 im glad you brought up this clip. Im tired of seeing it being posted everywhere. I always had a massive problem with this scene but the "real" spider-man fans on insta tend to disagree
You're saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?🤔
You’re saying the lives of everyone is more important than my loved ones? Geez what a grouch.
Peter being out of character could just be time travel altering him and could also be seen as foreshadowing the twist of him becoming the CEO
It can't, because the clips I showed in the video establish that his core traits were still there, and Ben still died and taught him the same lesson. It's actually later that Peter's morality is shifted, hinted by CEO Peter adding "and great opportunity" after the responsibility line.
unless if you bake two cakes! 😆
I think slone wasn't really shouting out all the details for his plan, Miguel has enhanced sences so he hears it louder and i think that it is intentional that the writing has inconsistancys because the timeline is being changed left and light, also to your point of CEO peter could have stopped miguel from becoming spiderman, he couldn't have as he needs miguel to save him from dying to anti venom which couldn't have happened if he wasn't spiderman
He's still speaking at a normal level to his AI, it's not like he's trying to keep quiet.
The timeline is being changed constantly, but there still needs to be rules in place for how this works. It doesn't make sense to have Peter unaware of these changes, but also have conversations with Miguel about said changes this entire plot.
You actually make a fair point regarding when CEO Peter couldn't have stopped Miguel, though I'd still say he should have some kind of plan to use his future knowledge to prevent Miguel from interfering. What's stopping CEO Peter from either conditioning Miguel early on to act under his agenda, even as Spider-Man? Miguel is already inspired by Peter Parker, so this is something he could easily take advantage of. Or, what's stopping CEO Peter from using a piece of Miguel's DNA to contact him before his mission to pursue Sloan, and deliberately mislead Miguel so that he can save past Peter, but also be out of the way of his plans?
id just like to add context activision rushed the developers of shattered dimensions to make edge of time within a year which was hard for the developers acyivision also has rushed other previous spiderman games such as web of shadows which caused it to crash often on the ps3 and after web of shadows released the studio that made it was shut down by activision and activision still has a reputation of being a bad company especially with how they deal with cheaters on call of duty and other issues with their current titles
That’s a shame if they rushed them so badly, executing ideas deserves much more patience than that.
@@s.k.4289 it really is from what ive read edge of time was meant to have different and more characters than just 2099 and the original peter parker but due to the rush they had to reuse a lot of assets from previous games and i remember that the they reused spiderman 2099s model in one of the TASM games
@@seichilmao TASM2.
@@s.k.4289 Also you have to think about the release dates for every Beenox Spider-Man Game. They literally only had 2013 for an actual break.
Anyone know what happened to the rest of SKs other videos??
He took them down because of personal reasons, and to rebrand himself with content he’s more interested in making
@@jasonian2339 thanks for the info. I really liked some of his older videos.
@@josesosa3337 I liked some of them too, but I’d prefer for SK to choose which content he wishes to keep on his channel and what he wants to make in the future
@@josesosa3337 I liked some of them too, but I’d prefer for SK to choose which content he wishes to keep on his channel and what he wants to make in the future
@JustAUser231 i don't care
S.K, how did you and Colin become friends after originally criticizing eachother?
By talking.
@@s.k.4289Based.
I assume That Miguel was protected in the time portal while the timeline was being changed.
But Peter and Miguel are unaffected by changes during the entire game while being away from the portal. The game never states the time portal protected Miguel, nor is that an assumption based on something consistent in the story. And Quantum Causality actively changes history, so it shouldn’t matter if Miguel is in the portal.
@JustAUser231No, he simply thinks that comic book logic must be consistent with itself.
@JustAUser231 1. You bring up a completely different story to justify this one. That's a whataboutism. Just because something is absurd in a story with a specific set of rules, it doesn't mean that it applies to a story with a different set of rules, just because both stories have comic book characters.
2. This does nothing for this story. You said something completely irrelevant as an example of comic book logic when what comic book logic is was not our debate.
3. I haven't read the comic you say but how don't we know that the comic isn'y consistent with itself? You only said that it's inconsistent with real life.
If I look back at your Spectacular Spider-Man video. What are the chances you mocked back the very battle you referenced here as a good example of a Spider-Man fight?
It was more of S.K. pointing at a specific aspect of that battle as good Spider-man writing.
@vaggos2003
The point I try to pass is that S.K. tends to change his mind without pointing it out.
I don't know what his reason is, but it makes him look somewhat hypocritical. I hope I am wrong or just miss some context, but as it is now, I feel like he just looks for ways to make every product he reviews look as bad as possible while having double standards.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse He did release a video where he explained the new direction his channel would go. He did say that he "still holds some of his takes" implying that some of his views changed on some of the stuff he reviewed.
Now, if you say that he should be more vocal about it in his videos, then that's a whole other thing.
@@vaggos2003
I would have liked more vocal clarity about his opinion.
@@AmitCinematicUniverse I see.
How would you feel if Spider-Man Edge of Time was an animated movie instead of a video game ?
I would hope the story is better
This wouldn't apply to everything, doesn't fix the gateway issues, and doesn't help for the peter Quantum causality, but what If the time Miguel is in the gateway at the beginning, he is displaced from time, leading to his mind not being altered by time changes? Still bad writing that it wasn't explained, but it fixes a few mistakes atleast
Not explained by the game, and we can't assume this within reason because Peter and Miguel still have their minds unchanged while they're away from the gateway. The assumption isn't even based on something consistent in the game.
@@s.k.4289yeah I agree, just trying to spark discussion, one thing I noticed is that anyone who goes back in time through the portal seems to have their memories become concrete, going through the portal seems to make your memories stop correlating, and weirdly makes it feel like peter and miguel are causing split timelines by whoever goes in the portal, despite Quantum causality. The inconsistency between the Quantum causality makes the world seemingly operate the exact opposite at times
Especially agree when it comes to the personality stuff btw, peter is so outta character its terrible
Sk can't escape his hater days
Are you are spiderman hater because you are SK or are you SK because you are a spiderman hater 😭
Why did you delete all of your old videos
He has a video explaining it.
@@vaggos2003 whitch one?
@@LincolnAKAVenox It's called "Things are changing.".
@@vaggos2003 thanks
@@LincolnAKAVenox You're welcome.
My question is how did anti venom even end at Alchemax?
The implication is that Walker Sloan took over Brock’s mind with a control chip and brought him there.
@@s.k.4289that is a strange plan.
Don’t know why people take your take on this story so seriously, like I don’t think this video is forcing people to agree, it’s just presenting why you feel the way you feel about the story and why you don’t think it’s very good.
Pretty much. I’d hope people would see it the way you described instead of this epic “takedown” of Edge of Time. Or whatever people are saying in taking it so seriously.
@@s.k.4289Yea and it’s kind of hypocritical how people call you a sheep for liking the Spiderverse movies that are popularly beloved yet get mad when you criticize Spider-Man media that is popularly beloved.
NUH UH
41:47 Oh, the irony, once upon a time you were using that line to criticise other Spider-men for not living up to this line, now you are using this line to criticize this Spider-man for bringing up that line. Oh, the sweet delicious irony.
@JustAUser231 Eh, based on this line at 36:39, I'd prefer the term critical improvement.
This is a bad example, because I used the line as a reaction clip in the past. My point isn’t that Edge of Time understands the character better or that stories should be more like Edge of Time. The people who used Edge of Time to criticize ATSV actually have done so.
@@s.k.4289 Oh, I wasn't saying that it had something to do with your opinions then vs now, it's just that I found the irony of using this clip as reactionary critisism back then and criticizing said clip with added context right now as pretty funny.
@JustAUser231 We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
Yeah that’s understandable. I’m responding to JustAUser claiming it’s an example of hypocrisy.
No the game is perfect.
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Sup dude. Its sufex!
@@zefem oh hey man! How are you? I would've never guessed it was you due to the different name haha thx!
Wait the whole “Your saying a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones.” Has been criticized before? I thought people started criticizing it when you point it out?
EOT Spidey neggs The fridge victim of Marvels Spiderman 2
I don't know, all I said was that people have said it's a betrayal and I agree.
Apparently the fridge problem is worse than Spider-Man not caring about billions of people...
Nope, it’s explicit in the story.
As I’ve outline and you’ve failed to address, Peter plans to stay in 2099. Putting someone in the past in the future is manipulating time, which can destroy reality. Additionally, Peter is abandoning all of the good he will do to help people. Peter is doing this in the name of prioritizing his loved ones over a billion strangers. Based on a nonsensical motivation to begin with.
@JustAUser231That's true, but it doesn't automatically make it good writing, because the story didn't provide a good enough reason for Peter to think that this was a good idea before being proven wrong.
How am I supposed to watch this video when it's not 5 hours long, take it down and remake it lil bro
Funny how you’ve gone from trashing Spectacular Spider-Man to using it as an example of how to write Peter
I still think the show has problems but it definitely has better examples of how to write Spider-Man.
I don’t, but keep screaming at the void about it.
@@s.k.4289I'd be interested to see the stories you covered in your older videos be covered in a new light in yiur new videos.
@@s.k.4289 I'm curious, what is your current rating of Spectacular based on how well written you find it?
You're saying the lives of billions of people is more important then the lives of a few of the people who i like?
S.K. you forgot to mention Peter Davids Involvement in the game?
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That is so childish. I get it, this was my favorite game as a child too, but he's right. There are plot holes and other things. It's hard to listen to this as die hard SEOT fan. But he is right.
@@PrezoGames451 Know what else this comment is.....A Joke
Say what you want about this game. But IGN giving this a 4.5 but Tasm2 game a 5.0 is wild 😂
The TASM 2 game is without a doubt one of the worst Spider-Man games.
You’re saying the lives of a billion strangers are more important than my loved ones?