Debunking The WORST Insomniac Marvels Spider-Man 2 Takes...
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- Insomniacs Interpretation Of Peter Parker AKA Spider-Man Is One Of My Favourite Versions Of The Character In Recent Memory.
However With The Recent Release Of Marvels Spider-Man 2, A Few Questions Have Been Raised As To Whether He Is Being Intentionally Nerfed Or Weakened In An Attempt To Secure Miles Morales As The Main Spider-Man For The INSOMNIAC Universe.
A Month Ago, I Released A Video Proving In Great Detail Why Peter Parker WAS NOT Nerfed In Marvels Spider-Man 2, However ULTIMATE JOKER Is Willing To Lie And Take The Game Out Of Context Just To Suit Their Own Narratives...
So Today Let's Spend A WHOLE LOT OF Minutes Debunking This God Awful Video On The Subject Matter....
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Another thing people dont seem to notice is what Peter says after he is stabbed. Peter says that he can't see and he doesn't even know if he is breathing. This points to the fact that Kravens knife had to have some kind of poison on it which is probably what actually killed him. We even see that the hunters have a special preperation for kravens knife when sneaking around as MJ.
Finally a sensible comment, I actually know this when I probably saw that mission twice or thrice.
Peter wasn't nerfed. Actually Kraven is just too much tactical and unpredictable and Peter had no prior knowledge because Kraven himself knew a normal knife cannot kill Spider-Man, let alone giving him a serious injury when he shrugged off Ock's arms with medium difficulty.
But one thing I would like to say here that Insomniac actually has shown very less proofs. Like they could just show that Peter found the poison which almost killed him and they could also show that how Kraven had preparation time against some villains of sinister six, this could be found by Peter in story.
That was a missed opportunity.
Wasn't the blade also have a slight red mist when he stabbed Peter too? I knew from it that the blade wasn't normal
@@Warlord-dc5unyeah.
@@Warlord-dc5unthought it was blood
Yh that actually makes sense
a lot of people be talking about Peter needing help but i guess they forgot the main point of their story "be greater together"
Yup
That's sums it up. Besides I really liked the Insomniac games better then the Spider-man movies.
that was literally the marketing tagline! LOL people who complain like that are stupid,
@@andyoye9230 yes
@RRai2000 yeah same the movies are great tho except the raimi ones
Something that has come up so often in this discourse about characters getting “nerfed” is that they always ignore that same character’s use of restraint. Which really just shows that they don’t value restraint and is a massive red flag.
Off the top of my head, Spiderman is pretty much #1 for showing restraint 😂 I get what you mean
Also, it seems to be that the same people don’t realize that 1. Venom and Kraven are bigger threats than anyone he faced in the first game and before that and 2. he has never fought either of them before unlike most of the sinister six in the first game, so of course he’s going to struggle and not understand the full extent of their powers. This is the same reason as to why Doc Ock was able to beat the hell out of him in the first game. Besides, what good does it do to have a villain who doesn’t serve as a credible threat? What would be interesting about that?
@@t-nator8333 Right?! Because why have actual conflict and story telling when you can just have a massive power fantasy?
@@effinninja we got both in a way. The iron arms and symbiote tendril abilities are cool as hell.
They also don’t even seem to consider the power level of the villains either. All they do is look at like “oh he beat the sinister six. That means he should be a completely invincible badass and effortlessly steamroll through every single opponent henceforth.” First off, he gets a beat down from all of them at the raft when they first form. He doesn’t beat them as easily as they imply. Secondly, they act as if Kraven is just a normal human. He’s not though, he’s clearly a peak human. He’s built like a brick shit house, and he also creates and takes potions to even further enhance himself. Kingpin is also someone who can be called a peak human and he doesn’t even have any superhuman enhancements like Kraven does, yet Spider-Man still has somewhat of a hard time with him in the first game. There is no objective issue here.
Spider-Man is worst the superhero ever, he lost to a fridge omg, and also Spider-Man doesn't have a aunt or uncle anymore LMAO, skill issue. The dude is definitely right about Spider-Man being nerfed, I mean look at him, HE'S TOO OLD.
Happy April Fool's Day.
*lowers shotgun*
i love fridge man
@@FirestoneAnimation😂
@@vercetti0077yes
😂yes
I don't think this dude understands how insane the Anti-Venom Symbiote is for Peter. The regular Venom Symbiote but with zero drawbacks??? That means he isn't ever conflicted with other voices in his head, so he has clear thoughts. It means he also doesn't have the weakness to sound or anything, he has all the same durability as the black symbiote. And on top of that, his body is almost always at peak performance because the symbiote can rapidly heal him.
Couldn’t have put it any better myself ⚡️
peter got bodied while having the ANTI-VENOM suit.
I think this comment, is great you hit the nail on the head and it has weight behind it good just good to know we have comments that make sense.
@@edge-hogWell yeah venom is still stronger
@@edge-hog yeah, because it is the anti-venom version of the symbiote suit when he fought Kraven. It's that suit but without any drawbacks. Venom is what the symbiote suit would have evolved into if Peter didn't break free. It's evolved, far more powerful than when Peter had it
At this point, I think people who hate on game because peter gets his ass kicked just want him to be a gary stu😂
Probably
That’s a new one lol
The thing is he wasn’t ’nerfed’ compared to the first game he was actually nerfed from the start, this version of Peter is just not as strong his comic counterpart 🤷♂️
Literally every incarnation is nerfed compared to the comics 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 that’s true but I feel like this verison done worse than most of the adaptions regardless I still enjoy the games, my main problem was the potential the game had if they just were aloud another year or so to develop it or just did better with the time they had, especially after seeing some leaks of the scene showing destructible environments and story changes with the dialogue between Peter and harry
And *he’s* the one with the “”””Advance”””” suit smh
The thing about Kraven in all his fights is that he isn’t interested in either Spider-Man because they don’t kill and alway hold back not because they are incapable
His hunters say the reason he isn’t interested in Peter is because despite beating everyone kraven has hunted Peter doesn’t aim to kill
Indicating that even if kraven views Peter > to everyone he hunted
Because Peter isn’t willing to kill meaning he otherwise wouldn’t give kraven the death he desires
You could also see that as the reason why Kraven one shotted Peter he knew Peter would hold back regardless if he was strong enough to hurt him or not and just kill him
Kraven took advantage when he saw it and that’s how Peter almost died
If Peter had a true scale of kraven and actually wanted to kill and kraven knew this I doubt he just walk up to Spider-Man like he did or even be able to stab him as he did
It’s like appealing to the idea you know someone will hold back regardless and you will take advantage of that regardless which kraven did
Miles he also calls weak alongside Mr negative
And since miles was heavily fatigued and Mr negative throw the fight and Mr negative isn’t really above base Spider-Man as much as he nerft miles venom powers meaning it was mostly base miles no venom powers vs Li
Kinda shows that if miles was heavily fatigued in such a state he be no match for Kraven even if he was above base Spider-Man(which I still debate base peter or miles could beat kraven but they would have to push themselves and not hold back)
Also kraven being able to fight black suit Spiderman I really don’t think can be considered as him being a true match for him since he abuses the weakness of the symbote like miles to peter or peter to scream
Its just a. Factor even if they could fight said characters it’s under the circumstances of using their weaknesses against them not because they are a true equal unless it’s implied they hold back a lot on top of that
Which kraven isn’t
As venom before he gets the knull
Meteor is if symbote Spider-Man didn’t hold back level
In which kraven didn’t stand a chance and I don’t recall he had the bell to help him like the black suit holding back Spider-Man
Tldr jesus
that's why i don't think kraven > peter easily there were a lot of factors in that fight, such as how prepared kraven was against them without them knowing, and the fact that half of the sinister six he murdered weren't either at their full potential for the fight and other issues. hell even a harry in a symbiote suit just dogwalked kraven, because he wasn't prepared against them.
I do believe Kraven would still be above Peter and would win a fight but the showing of Pete being killed was ridiculously 1 sided
@@TheGamingRift11 well I wouldn’t say it’s one sided Given the context
That’s like saying if Superman fought doomsday for the first time and held back not knowing what he was dealing with beyond maybe fighting some JL members and doomsday stabbed him in the same vain as in BvS
Does that mean Superman can’t beat him
Given the context he was caught off guard and held back against someone who was going all out effortlessly blocked a holding back attack and immediately went for a kill shot
It’s a case where if any character in fiction regardless of who they are be it say Star Wars marvel dc anime so on
If a character underestimates another one, that one holds back the other goes all out
both are around the same level or one above
The one who holds back and doesn’t estimate their opponent or underestimates them will lose in that context
And it’s not impossible unless the power gap is so big which I don’t think it is for the reasons I’m about to explain
As a weaker character can even things out against the stronger one if they know what their dealing with
Kraven I doubt he is say is above sandman or rhino in strength
Or as fast as electo or his attacks
Or as skilled as say taskmaster or silver sable in pure hand to hand
But kraven is so well rounded and coupled with skill
That’s what makes him such a threat
Someone like that peter hasn’t encountered yet
Peter has fought people who either excelled in one category be it skill speed or strength that I argue would exceed kraven
I just don’t think you can say peter would definitely lose when he has fought with specialists when he hasn’t fought a generalist before Which kraven is by this example in this sense
If that makes sense
@@ATalesTruth- the one sided aspect I meant like this
Peter had at most hours to prepare and had a 2 minute video to go off
Kraven had potentially weeks maybe longer of prep and studied Peter and his rogues extensively to the point that he knew Spiderman and the way he fights
That’s what I meant by the one sided aspect
I think the main reason people are confused by Peter being nerfed is because he performs differently in the first game. The main answers are how much tougher his enemies are and the prior knowledge.
In the first game, the other four members of the Sinister Six are easy game. I mean, he's fought them before and he's basically in his prime.
Peter didn't immediately beat Martin Li - but he did in their final two fights, as he knew how his powers worked (to an extent) and got a lot stronger.
Peter's Anti Ock suit was the natural counter to Doc Ock, and he also knew how Otto was beforehand. But he also got brutally hit, as Otto isn't weak at all.
Meanwhile, in the second game... A chonkers Sandman that easily stomps the other four in the Sinister Six (except maybe Electro because of how Sandman reacts to electricity). An upgraded Lizard who gives everyone a tough time. Kraven, who stomps the Sinister Six any day of the weak. Miles, who Peter was likely holding back against, had a massive power boost and the bell. Venom, having the meteorite and being... well, Venom. Harry is fully taken over.
The threat level is much different.
Pretty much
And tbf Otto destroyed peter without anti ock suit and they took him to feast and he was in critical condition there too
I love how people always get so hung up on the fact that “this character can’t lose otherwise they are nerfed.” But in the same breath will call characters Mary Sue’s because they win every fight. Ultimately it doesn’t matter if a character is stronger or weaker. All that matters is that the writer is able to convince you the reader/player that there’s a situation where a character can win/lose depending on the situation.
Again it's their own idealized version of the character they see in their head it's really dumb and idiotic how Spider-Man fans act and think how peter parker should be written or portrayed.
@@resikin fails to win a single fight? What about Scream? Did Peter get help from others? I don’t think so. There’s also the fact that the symbiote storyline could be considered a metaphor for addiction and idk it’s pretty hard to overcome addiction by yourself. Also there’s times in other Spider-Man media like the movies where Peter needs help. The train scene in Spider-Man 2 when Toby gets carried by the citizens of New York. Spider-Man 3’s final fight where Harry has to help Peter defeat Sand man and Venom. In Andrew’s films there’s the Crain scene where captain Stacy or the citizens of New York help align the crains so that Spider-Man can swing from them. Literally the whole of no way home where the whole movie is about 3 Spider-men coming together to beat the villains. Just because Peter needs help from Miles or Mj every once in a while doesn’t mean he’s nerfed.
@@resikin what do you expect him to beat the crap out of MJ? If you want to be really technical it wasn’t the talk but the jackhammer that goes off. So are we now saying that every time Spider-Man wants to talk to a villain to get them to stop fighting, that’s not him beating them. Honestly I just have no words at this point.
@@resikin you make no sense...
I wouldn’t waste your time on the guy. He’s a bias Tobey fanboy who has scoured my comment section to either wank off guys who think he was nerfed or disagree with people believing otherwise
I'm honestly fine with Insomniac's Spider-Man powescaling because it allows them to constantly make new and exciting stories and keeping most of his villains around the same strength, it also shows how he really is a "friendly neighborhood Spider-Man", because he isn't out with the Avengers or anything, he's fighting mostly City scale villains, at max World scale villains like Venom, but he had extensive help with that, which makes sense.
Why though? Why not have Spider-Man be as strong and badass as he in the comics ( ignoring zeb wells of course ) 🫠
@@Arceedits Because in the comics his powerscaling can be bonkers to the point of stories being un-fun
@@gamer08cal84 interesting, never once has it made the story’s boring because Peter is accurately as strong as he’s suppose to be imo. He was like that consistently for 50 years it wasn’t the case of just randomly being op
@@gamer08cal84 & still to this day most of his best stories ever written where off that time
@@Arceedits Dude, I just prefer a story with stakes vs knowing that Spider-Man can kill or punch off his enemy's jaw with ease. Relax, it's not that deep bro
They say that Peter is nerfed and Miles is better but they never say how miles got captured by kraven easly and how he is not present in most of the story like guys how can he lose when he is not even there, he only defeated mr negative by himself and peter did that too
Quick note: The knife comes about 2 inches from going straight through Spider-Man and out the other side.
Damn…. A killing blow
18:37 not even just that but the whole reason Peter goes to the church in spectacular is because flash called him out basically what Miles is doing in the second game.
Exactly
Good point
I genuinely hate the discourse around this game now, its made me hate the overall fanbase not just for these games but spider-man as a whole, just so much negativity and snark and its annoying
You'd hate the Star Wars fandom then...
To be fair spider-man fans always are nit picky, and stupid idiots
Me too.... I might become a batman fan instead.
Tbh most fanbases are knobheads - I’m grateful to associate with based individuals
Basically
Off topic idk if that’s your footage of spider-man swinging but either way it phenomenal swinging legit looks like it could be in a movie it’s so fluid
It is very fluid - which is why it baffles me that people disrespect the swinging in this game so much 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 I think it’s the best swinging we ever had in a spider-man game. Ofc it could always be improved but I think this is the definitive game when to comes to swinging. I think it’s the definitive series in general when it comes to spider-man games.
Honestly Peter is only nerfed character wise,
I never understood how people don't understand why Miles has an easier time in this game than Peter does, it's so simple.
The game mostly follows Peter and Peter is the one fighting far stronger enemies consistently in the game than Miles, Miles only fights Martin Lee in the main story who Peter beaten in the very first game twice.
Peter fights characters that are stronger than the sinister six throughout the whole game, the Lizard was enhanced when he fights symbiote Peter and Kraven is essentially the main antagonist.
Why wouldn't you want him to be a true threat to Peter or Miles? Especially when Kraven was getting built up by taking out half of the sinister six who were the last games antagonists and then fight symbiotes.
Peter has never breezed through his villains like Superman, in multiple different media we see Spiderman at times get beaten or struggle.
Hell even superman takes L's sometimes.
Hell even superman takes L's sometimes.
Pretty much yeah…. Pete is the one fighting the top tier threats
Another thing to take note of is that this game takes inspiration from Kraven’s Last Hunt, an iconic story that involves a dying Kraven beating Spider-man and burying him alive while using a tranquilizer via a shotgun. Kraven could’ve killed Spider-man that night, but he chose to let him live after making a point that he truly beat him and he’ll have to live with that knowledge.
Kraven’s allowed to beat Spider-man. Especially given his enhancements, his weaponry, and his skills as a hunter.
Plus, Peter was distracted in the fight because MJ was there, Connor’s was turning into the lizard, and he did catch Kraven’s hand with the knife, he just didn’t stop it in time because he didn’t know how strong he was.
9:38 There were also a lot of factors at play. This seems to be the biggest the lizard has ever been in canon, Peter was also fighting against hunters which led to a broken arm which would’ve hindered his fight if not for the Symbiote. The fight would’ve gone on a lot longer if not for the Symbiote
20:42 Another factor is how Peter literally just removed the Symbiote. He’s tired, he’s sore, and his spider-sense wouldn’t react to Harry because it doesn’t view his friends/loved ones as a threat. Time doesn’t slow down for him when Harry swings the cane and he doesn’t allow the canister to break. Peter was mid-explanation on what the Symbiote really is and Harry interrupted his train of thought
In regards to him criticizing miles and the cage not only does Miles most likely have the strength but seeing Peter about to break a serious moral code of the Spider Men he probably had loads of adrenaline breaking the cage and going into the fight
1:30 Not even just that, but he also contradicted himself eariler by stating better Spidey media such as Spider-Man 3 when Peter tries something like that he doesn't get folded and eventually needed Harry to come in for the clucth.
Side note, I'm so tired of the retroactive bs gaslighting the internet seems to have towards this film when saying it's some kind of misunderstood masterpiece; it's really not
Tbh it is a misunderstood fantastic film but I wouldn’t consider it a masterpiece
@@TheGamingRift11Personally while I'm not to big on the Raimi trilogy and don't see it as the definitive Spider-Man like a lot of people seem to think it is to the point where I've seen people say that Peter Parker should be kinda a doormat and that's how he has always been in the comics, I do see merits of greatness across the trilogy with its villains especially Doc Ock and pretty much every scene with Sandman in 3.
Honestly if this didn't have the amount of studio interference as it did, I could potentially see this as being one of the best Spider-Man stories outside of the comics and it's kinda ironic in way that I don't like Spider-Man 3 but love TASM1 as much as I do since that has studio interference in it as well but I feel like it still shines regardless.
But this guy actually funny as hell, I've seen this thrown around a lot for DragonBall and Sonic fans but it applies heres too "Don't mess with us Spider-Man fans because we don't understand our own stories" and "No one hates Spider-Man more than Spider-Man fans (aside from Marvel editorial)"
@@resikin No. Peter won 1 fight against Sandman in Spider-Man 3 and that was in the sewer when he thought he killed him. Flint got away due their first fight after punching Spidey out the van and it flipped over, so where are you getting that he held his own during that because that never happened so no I didn't miss the point of the video. And you're forgetting the fact that during the climax of the film, Venom went off after he kicked Peter into Flint and Flint started beating his ass.
And also hell no, out of the 7 Spider-Man films that's released after Spider-Man 3, 6 of them are better in every way and I don't even like the MCU Spider-Man trilogy. The only one that I can put on the same tier as Spider-Man 3 is Amazing 2 because just like 3 it's a bloated mess of a film. And that's just Spider-Man films, if you really wanna go through all of the MCU up till Endgame, that's a hill you don't wanna die on.
@@resikin More like the film itself isn't able to keep up with its own subplots. Harry shows up in the start of the film after being hyped for 2 movies to be the New Goblin only to be taken out with the most contrived way possible with the amnesiac plot point so the film can move on to Sandman and his shtick while also just barely handling Peter's downfall with the symbiote for Harry to randomly regain his memories to start messing with Peter for him to get taken out again so Peter can lose the symbiote and for the less intimidating version of Venom to show up. And the way I've written it out is how the film moves along with its subplots, it's a mess and could have done with a rewrites. Or just take Venom all together and save that for its own film.
I wouldn’t bother arguing with the guy…. He’s a blind Tobey fanboy who openly admitted to being bias 🤷♂️
6:26 People tend to forget this a lot 😭
14:25 He also broke out of his cell earlier after he woke up from the Wake up mission
⚡️⚡️true
13:19 I just want to point one important detail, the only reason Peter lost more fights is simple….
Because Peter had MORE fights, the only reason Miles supposedly looked better than Peter, was because Miles didn’t have as many enemies as Peter
Also most of his enemies are stronger than the first game
@@Dekusolosyujialot stronger
Yeah
@@thegreatacolyt1277your back😊
Peter on his own doesn't win any major fights. At all.
I think the whole reason why Harry hit the canister before Peter could react was because of the Spider-Sense not registering Harry as a threat and Peter was just caught off guard. By the way, pretty great video on responding to this clown's video.
His reflexes should have been more then enough to dodge that.
@@spideyboy2358 Still, would he really go full out on his best friend who had to use a cane to walk?
@@Ultra-PrimeEnjoyer no but harry is extremely sick barely able walking some who can barely move should not be able to surprise pete his reflexes are super human.
@@spideyboy2358 Maybe Peter thought that the symbiote couldn't break free from the canister and that was the reason why Peter couldn't really dodge the first swing.
@@Ultra-PrimeEnjoyer sorry dude that just sounds like coping not a real reason just a excuse to justify something that shouldn’t happen.
Not to mention when fighting the Sinister Six, we see more of Spidey getting exhausted, trying to catch his breathe after fighting Electro and Vulture but ends up sleeping the night, recovering from Scorpion's poison with many moments of weakness transitioning to hallucination levels, losing a fight with Doctor Octopus after defeating Mr. Negative that results in him getting heavily injured and see him limping at both FEAST and Otto's lab. Plus he had 14 broken bones after the Six assembled at the Raft, Spider-Man is not invincible nor is he immune to how much energy he uses, he can get tired just like anyone else. True from a gameplay perspective we don't see that, but we do from a story point of view, although the only time we see moments of weakness during gameplay in these Insomniac Spider-Man games was when Miles first absorbed a Nuform reactor in the mission Corporate Espionage, and another in this game Mary Jane carrying a stabbed Peter at the zoo in the mission Good Men
True
I’ve already made my stance on this whole debate, and I think you did a good job explaining what was wrong with his arguments.
Good video.
Love it, even as a non spiderman fan. I'm not sure why people act like massive mugs on the internet aside from egos but its great to see some proper justice.
Finally watched the debunk . Everything is said . He also tried to brush me away when i pointed out his lack of understanding and his ignorance but hey . Thanks for covering that "video" can’t even call it a video
Yeah sounds about right - any criticism he sweeps under the rug 🤷♂️
If he’s gonna argue that Peter was nerfed when he got dog piled by a bunch of symbiotes, then he’s also gonna have to say the same thing about web of shadows Peter, since at the start of the game he was also dog piled by a bunch of Symbiotes and needed the black suit to break free
Plus is he going to forget that at the end of the symbiote black cat boss fight she nearly dies, and in web of shadows all of the enemies are treated with the same stats unlike Spider-Man 2
Another W vid from the goat you always be speaking complete FACTS I really hope these vids become more popular so people would know that these people are completely wrong.
Thank you! Do you have any video ideas?
@TheGamingRift11 nah I don't have any.
35:11 YOU ADMITTED IT!!! I’VE BEEN VINDICATED!!!😆😆😆
People forgot that Kraven just tanked Scorpions poison. The same poison that affected peters mind so much he was having vivid delusions and ended up out of his suit. But Kraven just takes it.
Also Miles electricity is literally a weakness also to the symbiot, same with the bell
Hey rift that attack that venom before peter getting hit by the fridge peter senses dont work against venom
25:36 do you that it was more of venom symbiotie punch than the fridge that temporarily knock him out
Yeah definitely venoms attack given that he’s debatably the strongest guy in the verse
I think he should definitely do more of these
You reckon? Any suggestions?
9:12 This cage may be made of vibranium because in one of the stealth missions the hunters say that Kraven already invaded Wakanda without anyone noticing, so maybe he invaded and stole vibranium to build a cage that no one could escape.
It’s almost certainly gunna be a weaker version of Vibranium but it’s still a fun idea to think about
@@TheGamingRift11Compared to the comics ? Or MCU
@@BusinessStanderBoy both 🐡
I just love How People will Tweak out at Kraven Beating Peter.
You know the same Kraven that takes super strength potions. Is the most skilled hunter and combatant in the verse. Is a master strategist with the best gear and weapons around including shit he ripped of the corpses of 5 of the sinester six (counting shocker). Who is also shown to be far stronger than base Spiderman and on top of that had Preptime.
And then claim Spiderman was nerfed.
But then these same people and some others will say full heartedly that Batman Would beat the shit out of peter with just preptime.
You know. Batman. The actual only peak human with no superpowers who relies on gear. Combat experience and strategy to win fights?
So Batman Can supposedly Beat Spiderman using his skills gear and preptime.
But a Massively amped superhuman Hunter warrior with more decades of experience than batman has even been alive for. Who has tech and gear taken from the dead bodies of the Strongest villains Spiderman has ever faced in his youth. Who has peak mastery in combat and strategy and a ridiculously high IQ. And is Blatantly shown to be outright stronger than Spiderman isn't allowed to win even with Preptime as well?
this shit has to be racially motivated or something.
How do we live in a society where it's more acceptable for the Rich Bat dude with preptime to beat everyone.
But then when the Super Human ultra strong Russian man who acts like kratos wins with preptime it's suddenly unrealistic and biass or character assassination. ☠️
Pretty much
11:12 I never played Web of shadows but I’m pretty sure Peter still has access to the symbiote as there still is that final choice you can make that will determine how venom dies. So he’s just wrong about that part
May not agree with alot of your points but it's nice to hear how other people perceive the game
Agreed, fresh perspectives keep things fun
What don't you agree with btw?
How does lifting strength not correlate to striking strength? The same muscles you use to pick something up are the same muscles you use to throw a punch. Not to mention that every time someone explains how strong a superhuman is, it's always an approximation of how much they can lift. Every strength building exercises involves lifting objects heavier than you can in order to make yourself stronger. The same strength you receive from those lifting exercises translates into your strikes because they're the same muscles that have been improved. So where does the whole "lifting strength doesn't correlate to striking strength come from? It's just a fallacy and it's a completely made up rule by scalers like seththeprogrammer or chuck the cyber cuck so they can have their favorite characters win every fight, especially in ones they should lose.
Also, Venom is not eddie brock's character. He may have been the first person to use the name venom, but that doesn't mean that anyone who isn't eddie that gets the symbiote are somehow "not venom". Same thing with MJ being scream. Just because scream is on MJ doesn't mean it's not scream. It's literally the same non logic that people try to use to make the argument that miles isn't spider-man because he's not peter.
The second paragraph is very accurate
The first one though isn’t true at all
Comparing real world logic - striking power measures speed and mass / lifting strength measures force and energy - which obviously fiction defies both of those
In terms of fiction, well as I just said, fictional verses defy real world logic
@@TheGamingRift11 The first paragraph is true. The force from a lift is the same force that goes into a strike due to the fact that they both come from the same source. You can't just separate lifting and striking as different strengths because speed, mass, force and energy are all part of the same strength, regardless of how that strength is being used. And as for the whole fictional verses defining real world logic, it doesn't really. Unless we're talking toonverse like in looney toons or animaniacs
@@ColeGray-il6tm fiction does defy real world logic
Kingpin for example is defined as being a peak human in the games, yet he can dent steel pipes and throw spiderman through walls and ceilings
I don’t see a real world peak human doing that 🥱
Lifting strength ≠ power.
@@armplanet7524 not necessarily especially in fictional verses where standards are different
Finally someone with common sense, we shall rally up and teach these people a lesson
Rally*
@@resikin wow what an amazing argument! How will he ever counter that?
I wouldn’t go that far… it’s mainly the takes I’ll debunk…. I couldn’t care less about personally attacking the individuals themselves 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 it's the only way to teach those people a lesson and it shows people are the problem not the game
They’re not worth the energy to .
these guys that make these videos need to understand they get roasted at some point lol
Pretty much yeah 🤷♂️ both Joker and the other bloke portray themselves as very unlikable bias individuals
I kinda wish we had our boss fight with our first encounter with Kraven without the symbiote like using the Spider Arms to combat Kraven however in new game+ you could just change the suit to fight Kraven (Despite him acting like he has the symbiote storywise same with lizard except the parrying which you can't change to the Spider Arms 😒) ( its my pet peeve that you can't change it to the Spider arms but change the symbiote tendril color to White and Black Kinda missed that out insomniac)
32:48 you can play the Howard mission as Miles I believe.
I guessed as much… although I wasn’t 100% as I did it as Peter and everyone else I’ve watched seems to have been Peter too
33:15 well in my case, I do kind of hate that but only because black cat is written weird in that mission. (She suddenly cares about someone to the point that she's willing to die for them....when this is the same black cat who lied about being pregnant in order to get some treasure and when she survived being blown up, didn't tell Peter and let him think that she was dead? These are not written the same)
you do know about the silver lining dlc do you? or do i need to send you one?
The Hammerhead dlc redeemed her
@@spider-man5544 .....by helping once and then going away to not help in the final fight? (Plus, how does that excuse her lying about being pregnant and her being dead?)
@@TheGamingRift11 .....how? She helps him once and then doesn't show up for the final battle. (Plus, that doesn't excuse the fact that she still lied about that stuff.)
@@keelanbarron928 by giving him all the data need to beat hammerhead, before going off her own? plus that help was integral beating hammerhead, she helped more than enough already. people lie all the time, the difference is that she did it to help peter, during her presumed death. stop implying to us that you only watch clips of the heist dlc
Great video video man
I appreciate it! Any topics for videos you’d like to see?
I feel a lot of ppl seems to forget that spider man is not Superman, meaning can't endure many stuff hes not flash who cant run out of stamina and hes not hulk who can heal in a instant instead he's spiderman he uses all his characteristics to win a fight, and again ppl need to know that insomniac makes newer villains more powerful than the past one and kraven literally shows he can beat them tho 6v1 maybe ( we don't know ) but 1v1 or 1v2 he damn well can do a better job than base spiderman with the advanced suit and lizard was literally said to be way powerful than the past lizard
One thing about this video(the guy your responding to) that everyone needs to understand is what you think, what you feel and what you know are all different
In a actual scientific debate we aren’t going after the credibility of the people arguing we are trying to find the answer
The answer is simple Peter in this game at base hasn’t showcased he can say fight miles kraven or venom in 1v1s without a symbiote
Does that mean he can’t
No
Because we have no real information on if Peter would actually win to lose or them outside if he was at his absolute best and knew what he was dealing with
But he isn’t but even then there is nothing in the game suggesting he can’t fight said characters if it came down to it
Out of him being stabbed by kraven under the context of Peter holding back and not knowing how powerful kraven is
And right after his fight with miles being removed from the symbote and its regeneration abilities is likely fatigued after that fight and venom throws him knocking him out
You can be knocked out by someone even if you are more durable
Hence why a concussions is about you getting hit in the head the right way
You can hit your head on the door the wrong way and get knocked out
Where as you can get hit by a car and not be instantly OKed regardless if you didn’t get hurt or got all your bones broken
It all depends
Clearly venom throwing peter was less powerful then what we seen peter take(sandman punches are 1-15 kt of TNT worth of force venoms throw can’t be more then walls level if not small building)
So him getting knocked out is more of what hit him in the head rather venom one shots Peter
That doesn’t mean he gets one shotted by kraven or venom in a actual fight we’re Peter was at 100% or knew what he was dealing with
In either situation Peter is either not sure what he is dealing with or at 100% mentally or physically
People want Peter to be capable of fight or beating miles or kraven
Or even be able to be relevant in a fight to venom
And I can understand that
But I don’t see any evidence to say he could or couldn’t because nothing in the game suggests he can or can’t beyond those 2 instances
And I disagree with the notion base peter would absolutely lose to kraven or miles
Since there really is no true comparison in the game we can go on where each character is at their best dogging it out
But agree he would lose to venom without exploring his weakness like every other Spider-Men as they all would lose to venom if they didn’t as well
At the end of the day we don’t have enough information to actually say peter is in fact fodder to kraven or miles
And based on insomaincs intent that’s not what they were going for since some story scripts and plot points for Spiderman 2 have been leaked
And it all shows in those points peter can or should be able to fight kraven venom or miles
and wheather or not he wins depends on context
Not to mention the promotional material and or art where it shows base Peter fighting them
It’s like even if there is nothing in the game suggesting Peter would lose to miles or kraven
Or that he can’t fight venom at base
It’s clear insomniac don’t see that based on what they have written for the story but didn’t put in the game or just ten concepts themselves showing their thought process’s when making the characters
In which the point of the story is peter being at his lowest mentally and physically(since there are implications his heath is being effected)
With the symbote making him stronger then he otherwise would be
And it’s all about Peter by the end getting his life together to be healthy mentally and physically
The more I listen to ultimate joker's points the more I think Stan Lee was speaking facts about power scaling.
What dya mean? 😂
@@TheGamingRift11 I was referencing that clip when Stan Lee talked about power scaling, he basically said in that clip that any character can be another character since the script writers decide what happens, I said Joker made me think of this clip since a lot of Joker's points are "this character should not be able to beat this other character" even Tho they show very reasonable ways they get defeated. Anyways that was I meant (sorry for the long essay lol😅).
@@malikpierre-louis3343 nah it’s all good dw bud
Tbh I feel it’s pointless arguing headcannon when insomniac made these characters as strong or weak as they are 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 facts.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 nice to meet you bud! 👍
I hate ultimate joker's video, it's full of bad faith takes also I loved this video great job kicking his butt bro .
Ehh…. I wouldn’t say that. The guy is pretty unlikable but ultimately it was the takes I was working against. Not the actual guy
Great video
If kraven was peak human then batman would actually beat his ass lmao this guys takes are awful (no don't worry rift I'm not talking about you lol)
Yeah. Peak humans in DC are more comparable to Marvel Super Soldiers
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Batman surviving a fall from space anyone 😂
@@Kingcrimson_1456 and survived a punch from prime superboy
@@connorharnage6697 super soldiers are a bit stronger then peak humans, I don't think batmans gonna be holding a helicopter while it's moving forward. But I still think batman could win due to his exceptional fighting skills, smarts and gadgets. Yes cap may have amazing strength, but that strength is nothing if you can't hit it. So I could kinda agree that peak humans could be sort of comparible to super soldiers, but its not even close.
Idk what people are bitching about. Especially when it comes to miles taking over and being more prominent. I watched a few different gameplay videos of the full game and I bairly see Miles almost like he’s mostly side content. Maybe them up loafers cut miles stuff out for Peter but idk
“Usually always”
🤔
Yeah I saw this Jokers video.... It was abysmal... GGs dude
I would say the reason peter is nerfed due to his poor physical stats/showings.
A example would be how in the sandman fight he can’t dodge lighting twice something he is able to do in the first game with ease or when Peter and harry are going after tombstone and peter gets stuck under a small brick wall something that he should be able to lift do to how in the first game he was able to lift the massive rubble in Fisk tower.
It’s stuff like that makes me say he is nerfed not his win/loss ratio.
The reason why peter doesn't dodge sandman's lighting is because he generally doesn't know where it is coming from. Insomniac version of spider sense is like a "heads up" type of call which involves the user figuring out where the attack is coming from. So whenever fights electro, peter has a sense of where electro is and can predict where electro might strike at (because electro actually has a physical body to see) but for sandman's sandstorm lighting, it literally comes out of nowhere which peter would be unable to predict where it might come from. Especially when sandstorm lighting is very random in terms of where it strikes.
Peter literally took an explosion before this happened which would lead him stunned but was still able to get out of that situation. This one is kind of a nick pick tbh.
@@Chaosedits_CH02 is there any proof spider-sense works different because I am pretty sure it works the exact same as all forms of media which is it tells the danger when and where it is. The explosion did basically nothing to peter plus he was under the thing for a long time which should have gave him more then enough time to recover if he even has to recover at all.
@@spideyboy2358Insomniac's spider sense was explained thoroughly in the prequel novel(which is canon btw). And again that is a nit pick because he was able to get out of that situation. If peter stayed under that wall for a little while that's means that the explosion obviously affected him.
I'm on a similar wavelength tbh, though my reservations are a bit different.
@@Chaosedits_CH02 I’m petty sure the books aren’t canon because if that was the case insomniac would scale to superior Spider-Man who scales around 616 Peter and that would create a lot of problems if that was the case because the villains in Spider-Man 2 would be fodder to 616 which is definitely not what happened in game peter got his ass kicked by everyone.
This would be nitpicking if this didn’t happen multiple times he also struggles with lifting some roller coasters carts something he should be able to due with ease due to how he was going to be able to stop the 300 ton crane if he didn’t get hit off. He stops it completely then as he is about to pull it up he gets hit.
he struggles to pull out the spears in the ship when in the first game he could stop two moving semi-trucks at the same time going at full speed. The trucks could not even move the demons in the back had to cut the webs off to move.
Im just disapoitet that i didn't see peter choking screwball
6:33 also in the part where he talks about tombstone is just dumb. kraven and tombstone have different personalities and beliefs. kraven is a hunter, he doesn't play around he fights and he kills. tombstone on the other hand he acts like a kingpin, yes he's strong but he acts more as a businessman rather than a fighter. i'm looking for the part where he does his research.
That’s actually a fantastic point, especially since I’m fairly certain in the same scene, Tombstone offers Spiderman money in exchange for not getting involved in his criminal business
@@TheGamingRift11 thanks for taking notice dude! i love you videos, man
Imagine hes watching this video 😅😂
This clown thought he cooked but burned the house down like Feasts sister location in the first game.
Although one thing i need to correct on your end is Mr. Negatives powers and Miles' venom powers. The first time it occurred, Miles mentioned it felt Volatile. Like it was less controlled. We see that with more blue moves unlocked and how much they practically "explode" on impact.
I’m confused as to what you mean by that
In the boss fight miles states that his abilities aren’t working? 🤔idk how unlocking more moves would make a difference
@TheGamingRift11 Ohh I misunderstood. I thought you meant his blue electricity was weaker but you meant the negative wave that shuts his powers temporarily. I keep forgetting that. My bad
@@FirestoneAnimation yeah that’s what I meant
Like his actual power level might’ve been temporarily weakened when exposed to the negative energy, but regardless he was hampered in that fight much like Pete was and just like Pete, he pulled off a victory :)
@TheGamingRift11 Yeah agreed.
@TheGamingRift11 also bonus on the MJ statement: Its confirmed she had training with Sable which adds to her capabilities.
12:26 i think he meant in spiderman 2.
Good vid tho.
like yea I don’t get that when Peter got the suit off of him he was still recovering from having it on him and I don’t get it’s a different spider man not every spider-man is gonna be the same some spider man’s or stronger then other spider-man’s and like I love tobey spider man my favorite spider man but ima be real I don’t think he could of beaten venom by himself literally in the final battle of spider man 3 venom was whooping Spider-Man and venom almost killed him with sandman’s help if harry never showed up so basically if harry never showed up tobeys spider man would of been dead so it’s ok for spider man to have help because at the end of the day he’s still a person
Couldn’t agree more
bro ppl don't know if they want spiderman to be op or not. Like wtf lol.
I'd much rather Peter be win some fights, lose fights and ocassionally get help from either Miles or MJ than have him be a Gary Stew cuz if he was a Garry Stew I think it would've been so much worse
Fax
Wow, it's really nice that you debunked a guy who misunderstood this game a lot.
I don't know why don't some people like him can't understand the core, simple elements and can't connect it with the previous game whereas these people needed to be taught by a whole separate video.
Although I agree it's not perfect, but it's excellent considering a superhero game and a great take on my favourite character while being faithful to the some of the elements of comics ( not all ) and balancing their own take.
No problem dude ⚡️
My problem with the Kraven stab is not that Kraven is so strong, but the way Peter was stabbed. It's such a cheap and easy trick that even a regular human could have dodged or seen that attack coming if u have a small experience in martial arts. This Peter has 10 years of experience of being Spider-man and he gets his ass beat several times so easily when before Miles he had no problem dealing with those same villains. For example Rhino. If I wouldn't have known that this Peter is 25 years old I would have guessed based on his skills that he is only 20-21 at most and this is annoying because in the first game they did Peter perfectly and I think that game story wise is near perfect, but this second game feels so rushed and a huge mess.
Okay so Kraven is significantly above Base Spiderman in stats, so the fact that he effortlessly kills him is shocking and raises the stakes 🤔
With Kravens blade potentially poisoning Peter given the quotes Pete says afterwards about how he can’t see and isn’t aware he’s breathing
@@TheGamingRift11 The second part of your response is irrelevant, bc that wasn't my complaint that he "died" or that he got stabbed, but the way he got stabbed. My only point was that the creators could have done a much better job with the choreography and with spider-man's power levels and give it more consistency like they did in their first game. But ever since Miles came into picture suddenly it felt like Peter lost years of skills and experience only to give Miles the spotlight which is like I said is a very cheap and a lazy way to tell a story.
@@markzaban9314 I can’t agree with that
Idk what there is about that scene that changes Pete at all
Knocks out 2 goons casually and underestimates the main threat….just like always
Unfortunately for him on this one particular day it happened to be a guy significantly stronger/more tactical/ with far more experience and an all round seasoned fighter who is no stranger who superhuman opponents, has extensive prior knowledge of Peter, and armed with weaponry fatal to him 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 "Just like always"? After 10 years he still underestimates his opponents after seeing on tape that this Kraven guy destroyed scorpion like he was nothing and he still held back on him so much so that he got stabbed? Yeah I'm not understanding that at all. Spider-man always holds back on his enemies in comics and in any other media but never lets himself get stabbed this easily, it's lazy writing. He has a spider-sense against cheap attacks like that, if the creators wants to make Kraven faster than Spider-man then I'm fine with it also, just once again I am repeating myself, do better job at showcasing it and don't do it in a way that undermines Peter and his abilities. Like I said before, in the first game it was done well when he lost why he lost, but in this game, base Spider-man never won a fight in a 1 on 1 or the way he didn't even try to properly stop the train, he just gave up immediately. Of course I'm fine with Miles being better at things than Peter (for example flying on the roof like a dragon ball z character to save Peter for the second time in the first battle💀), but Miles is literally better in everything than Peter and it doesn't feel earned at all. The 2 spider-verse movies done a lot better job at making Miles unique and strong while not undermining Peter and the rest of the spider people.
Oh, and I didn't even mention how Peter even lost braincells. When Harry was dying in the end he was crying rather than doing CPR on him, like c'mon Peter that's the most important and basic thing u can do to save someone especially if you are a genius but no they intentionally made Peter stupid for that scene so that Spider Jesus(Miles) could save the day! Tobey in spider-man 3 was at least smart enough to do CPR on Harry.
@@markzaban9314 idk how exactly you can portray Kraven being >> Base Spiderman than he effortlessly negating a strike from him, whilst simultaneously stabbing him, and then seeming disappointed by his performance 🤔 idk what else they could’ve done to portray that….
Aside from Kraven holding his own against black suit Peter and venom later on which does indeed happen.
I’m not a doctor by any means, but I’m fairly certain CPR is actually a terrible idea to do as you could break the ribs trying that…. But idk what CPR would even achieve since it’s not like he’s drowned or anything, but instead succumbing to a terminal genetic disorder which Pete is aware of….
Performing CPR on a cancer patient isn’t exactly gunna solve the problem and would be a temporary solution at best…. Assuming they even had enough time to swing him to urgent medical care before he dies anyways
Miles defibrillating Harry was a last ditch effort and whilst yeah it worked, it also left Harry with potentially 3 degree burns on his chest and also in a coma esc state….. 🤷♂️ they saved him from dying sure but the alternative isn’t much better
I hate one thing insomniac did in this game. Peter and miles have different strength levels. Like base strength. In the miles morales game it took a lot of punches to take down enemies which forces the use of venom powers. Peter in the first game took 3 hits to defeat a single enemy, miles took an entire.combo and the 3 hits is at spectacular difficulty in Ng+. I felt that Peter having much more strength then miles made sense, but it was removed from this game. This is purely gameplay btw.
I feel like they did that to make the symbiote gameplay more satisfying
The miles vs peter fight miles helped peter to beat the symbiote but at the end that is his opinion and who cares an thank you for debunking him and defending peter
Glad you enjoyed what I had to say
Thanks you for answering me
People really don't get that spider man power wise is just slightly less durable and slightly less fast than fucking wonder woman, so honestly the kraken boss battle shouldn't have even been a boss battle if black suit Peter was as pissed as he sounded, one hit to the head fractures his skull knocking him out (as quick as when Thanos KO'd Steve Rogers at the end of IW) Peter was nerfed and miles needed to be buffed more, but that doesn't make an interesting video game. I mean people don't see batman as overpowered in Arkham Knight gameplay wise nor do they see him as too weak in the story. Insomniac hasn't realized how to write someone on his power level, they wrote Peter and Miles into more situations they should be able to get out of rather than making the enemies actually strong enough.
I could make an entire video on this one comment 😂
Idek where to begin with this one
Nah y'all really making up excuses "oh it's a different take" that's NOT a point😭
How is it not a valid take?
Compare 5 different interpretations of the characters and sure there will be similarities but also major differences
@@TheGamingRift11 and those differences aren't good most of the time. New ideas are obviously not always great and making Kraven strong enough to literally kill Spider-Man on first encounter ist just bad plot to give him the symbiote. Not saying him getting the symbiote is bad but the way they did it is really poorly.
This game has LOTS of lame story aspects that are just bad but that's literally cuz Insomniac was rushed by SONY. So yeah they did Peter dirty a lot of times in the game that's a fact and there's no need to deny that but it's not because they wanted to do that.
We have the first game that shows what they are able to deliver when you let them cook.
@@mago.369 I really don’t see what the issue is with upscaling Kraven 🤷♂️ it’s another interpretation of him, it’s perfectly fine
And one shotting Peter in such a manner is probably the best way of raising the stakes within the story since pretty much everything goes to shit in that one scene
Connors becomes the lizard
Peter dies
With Harry now on borrowed time as he no longer has the symbiote
@@TheGamingRift11 it doesn’t make sense in any way 1. Peter saw Kraven killing Scorpion and yes Peter beat him himself multiple times but scorpion is still a superpowered villain and the fact that kraven killed him that easy IN THAT VIDEO THAT PETER SAW Peter should at least consider kraven might be more dangerous than he thought 2. Kraven is NOT the first new villain Peter faced he encountered Li and beat him up without knowing what Li can do with his powers (he lost to Otto when he came for the serum but that was as you would say mainly cuz he was conflicted about his mentor and friend and cuz that was right after the fight with Li) 3. Idk how you wanna justify this point because Peter seems to have COMPLETELY LOST his spider sense, agility and reaction time when kraven can literally just stab him😭
@@mago.369 that video doesn’t provide Peter with any context… for all he knows Kraven could very well have had preptime or a serum designed to counter the toxin of scorpion…. And again Pete tends to lowball characters such as Kingpin who have similar builds to Kraven and someone who he has 8 years experience dealing with 🤷♂️
And it’s perfectly justifiable 🤷♂️ Kraven fights venom and black suit Peter and holds his own. It’s not hard to believe that he’s massively above Base Peter
The sandman slap is dumb even in full context. He dodges Sandman's attacks when you play as him during the outside phase (if you can dodge it in the gameplay, Spider-Man dodges in the lore), but suddenly, in the cutscene, he is unable to. A better way to do this is to have a sand minion shoot him in the back when he solely focused on Sandman for him to be slapped down.
Peter probably held back less when he got stabbed, not expecting that even him holding back less was not on par with Kraven, and also poison as other people have pointed out.
The lizard is amped up even more than normal in their fight during the game. Of course he only wins because of the symbiote.
Nothing I can add to the Peter vs. Miles, besides the 2017 show being mid and not bad, and Spider-Man not having a no kill rule and instead a rule where you only kill if there is no other option.
First things first is that your idea would have been better, second things second, CAN HE SHUT UP ABOUT KRAVEN OH MY TOAA.
Did not even remember the physical symptoms.
The Scream model looks out of place against the suit you are using, and it annoys me.
They nerfed antivenom in some ways, and you can't argue against that because antivenom is supposed to start decaying away symbiotes at it's mear touch, but still Venom was a beast in this game so of course he over-powers even antivenom Peter.
I think it would be interesting for someone to write what might have happened if you could play as either Spider-Man in the Mysteriums, cut down on the 2.5 Miles only special marker side missions (the school side missions barley have any gamplay after the first one) and make it 1.5. Also, gonna be honest, ever school mission needed more gameplay, like thugs messing with the drone that fell because money, having there be too many thugs to effortlessly stealth the guys messing with the generator guy, and finally have some students that are a bit too extreme and have to be taken down in the style of those guys possessed by Lee in the first game at the last place before saving the mascot costume.
MJ's gameplay is better than the original because she did not die when someone looked at her the wrong way, also nothing to add to your points.
He beat Wraith, this is not up for discussion, he just beat Wraith straight up.
He needed to shut the fuck up about what happened in other Spider-Man versions, that it my biggest takeaway.
gameplay doesn't equal into being connected to the lore, not necessarily. what you're claim is just projecting. it only becomes connected to the lore when the writers themselves establishes it. him getting slapped by sandman is quite nothing of a burger, since spider-sense is not a guaranteed ticket out of any harm, plus he gets hit by skilled fighters and get stunned from them too, like silver sable or task master.
peter probably held back less because the game establishes that via forcing you to use symbiote surge, that is true, but what isn't true was peter is still not on par, especially with the symbiote is still not on par with kraven. later in the gameplay peter bested kraven and kraven is dissapointed that he held back, lol.
616 spider-man got his arm broken and still beats lizard, what makes you think insomniac spidey can't? plus the story didn't established that he needed symbiote to win, the story of the game established how the symbiote makes his job easier. you're lack of literacy is appalling.
wtf are you babbling abt, dude? stop being irrelevant
i can agree that there are points i feel iffy about gamingrift's, but first i doubt you would do it better, and second he's not demosthenes of debating. (tho i agree that ultimatejoker yapping about crying, screams insecurity.)
i won't argue about your suggestions, since some of them i can agree with, and subjective in general.
i agree that he beat wraith, theres not much about it.
i also agree with him yapping abt each spiderman versions
@@spider-man5544 Does gameplay always equal lore, no, do animations, yes, and both Spider-Men have animations of them dodging Sandman's attacks, I am sorry I explained that poorly.
The video shows the evidence of Kraven fighting this beefed out Venom and still putting up a good fight as proof that Kraven should still be stronger than Spider-Man no matter how much he holds back.
This Lizard was injected with a formula that was stronger than any other time Conners transformed, he is 100% stronger than normal Spider-Man.
Ngl, went on a bit of a tangent there.
Why do you think I say that there is nothing I can add to some points, obviously a random commenter is not gonna be able to explain better than the video.
Yeah that is fair, some things I would believe would be improvements might not be to others.
That is why I had so few words about it.
It was super annoying throughout the video, even with the interruptions from good points.
If I seem a bit rude here do not take it too personally, in fact I am happy I get someone to contrast my ideas with than someone who says nothing close to what I was trying to point out.
@@alexgreer6336
although he did put up a fight it was still futile. he got demolished pretty easily by venom. i can agree that kraven would be a better fighter than base spider-man, based on both how kraven's morality makes him a efficient killer compared to peter's, though they never really fought, and peter's own impulsivity got him killed.
peter on sm2 is experiencing ptsd-like illness from the people he lost throughout the first game, and real studies shows you're not at your physical peak under those types of conditions, hence i think kraven>base peter is still abit of a stretch for me, with all the context behind why he's not in his game. do i think insomniac is following with my claims with pinpoint accuracy? no not at all, but from what we know about insomniac's spider-man(especially the first game) he's a clever and smart when fighting his opponents, and the fact that his cleverness is underutilized in the second game contributes to the idea that he's not in the proper headspace in his superhero stuff, hence him trying to jump on kraven establishes the idea further that his suffering is taking a toll on him
i also agree with the fact that the kaiju lizard was stronger than base peter(if talking about just pure raw physical strength), but peter's is still a genius and has mostly prepared against them similarly to kraven, with the those advantages and incredible reflexes and experience he can manage the mutated lizard just fine.
don't worry man you're all good to me.
@@spider-man5544 We will just agree to disagree
@@alexgreer6336you are objectively incorrect
By your logic Peter should never ever take damage since he can dodge every attack in gameplay 🤷♂️ but that’s not how it works in canon
Dudes a closet edge-lord
No clue 😂
I agree that putting social justice crap in games takes away from the game I also agree that Spider-Man 2 does have some “woke elements” that can be a little obnoxious if you over think the heck out of them. It’s not even that much and I think a lot of the hate stems from people who just can’t remove themselves from politics… it’s a Spider-Man game dude, just enjoy it for that and don’t over think everything that slightly offends you and lie and come up with garbage takes, because really you are only hurting the point that you are so desperate to make. Don’t call something woke sjw propaganda then proceed to get offended to the point you make racist and homophobic rants about society. 😂😂😂
You should see the rest of his videos 😂
@@TheGamingRift11 absolutely the only video from this guy I’ve watched is his video about spider man 2. And I found your channel today because I watched that. I’m glad you pointed out the disingenuous stuff in the video but I will say I SLIGHTLY Agree that it’s kinda woke. To bad his points are invalid because he wants to make rash and clearly offended claims 😂😂😂 also just subscribed to you btw
@@djgriffin3115 much respect, means a lot. I hope you enjoy the other videos on my channel
regarding the woke thing, I view it as being totally fine having LGBTQ in games and media, what matters to me is how it’s implemented
Literally all of it is in the side content / open world and even then there’s only a couple of parts like the homecoming mission which I felt were ridiculous
I do think Peter was nerfed but the way this guy explains it gets it wrong. It's a lot deeper than he's making it out to be. He just uses superficial reasons when the issues are a lot deeper.
how exactly was he nerfed in your opinion? (not trying to be rude just curious)
@@CliftonDiMarco No rudeness taken. You're free to point out any discrepancies. Peter in this game is generally incomptenent. I mean that not necessarily in a 'he loses to so and so' whatever I mean more as in he never solves problems by himself. If Peter is in a pinch in this game, it's never Peter that gets him out of it, but always another enhancement or side character. On his own, Miles beats Mr. Negative, fixes his neighbourhood and whatnot. Peter routinely gets in trouble and just can't get himself out of it. It gets irritating after a certain point for me but it happens over and over. That's the real 'nerf' IMO but it is what it is.
@@lukeogor481Peter was the one to devise a plan to defeat sandman and peter was able to beat wraith all by himself. Peter was able to create weblines within a matter of seconds. Peter in this game has losses but also has wins. And wouldn't say Peter is incompetent throughout the game I would say he is not in the right head space due to him losing a loved one quite recently.
@@Chaosedits_CH02 He didn't beat Wraith it's quite clearly a stalemate, and during most of the cutscenes he's either losing or just getting by. There's no decisive victory through Peter in the entire game, which isn't even my biggest thing. If he managed to not get himself almost killed every fifteen seconds, or at the very least got himself out of the holes he dug, I'd be quiet, but it's always Miles or MJ or Harry or even Wraith getting him out of trouble. He just doesn't win at all and saying 'he's in the wrong headspace and therefore cannot do anything' is nowhere near enough. Peter's default is that of trauma. He's ALWAYS in the wrong headspace and manages to push through. Hell, I'd even say he's better off in this game than he was in the first except for some reason now he's lost all his skills.
@@lukeogor481 Umm...did you play the game? Peter knocks out wraith before taking Cletus away but unknowingly Cletus had a bomb explosive set up or when peter subdue wraith which led to the whole building coming down and Peter ended up saving her.
Miles in this game was captured due to him falling for a trick by one of kraven's hunters, Miles got tricked by scorpion which led to him facing mental and physical trauma, Miles almost died to venom if not for mj, he would have died.
Harry as agent venom was one of the causes why the factory exploded(he is not a Gary stu).
Mary jane gets thrown away by kraven and venom like trash and the reason why kraven doesn't kill her is because he thinks it is a waste of his time and the reason why venom doesn't kill Mary Jane because he wants to heal everyone.
Peter wins against kraven, lizard, wraith, scream all by himself. While miles has only wins against Mr. Negative and Mysterio.
The villains in this game are a lot more stronger than the one in the first game.
The reason why peter was able to keep going is because aunt may and Dr. Octavious where they helped him along the way. They were his moral compass and gave him the determinism to fight for the greater good. But they are gone now and that has left a great mental toll on health. And no, mj in this game has her own problems which obviously makes peter and mj relationship strained but I am not saying that mj is not one of the things that keeps him going what I am trying to say is that she isn't the biggest reason why peter keeps moving.
I have 2 things to say about this topic and that is:
1. The only Peter is nerfed argument I'm willing to take is that he is mentally nerfed. Base on what I understood while playing the game, the entire game, Peter was broken and having mental issued due to choices that he had to made because he was Spider-Man. Peter literally got physical buff in the end of the game.
2. This part is just an assumption of mine so you can tell me something about this take of mine. Peter looks nerfed because Insomniac doesn't know how to give characters a shining moment or show how good a character is, without trashing Peter. This also happened in the first game.
The mental “nerf” is pretty fair I would say up until he recieves Anti Venom. After that I would disagree
The second part I disagree with as Peter had plenty of moments doing badass things in the PS4 game
@@TheGamingRift11 Peter sure is badass on both games but I really find it weird they always had knockout or hurt Peter to show that someone is competent. Peter was knocked down 4 times for Miles to have his character moment. Peter looked incompetent making Sable look menacing. He had to get stabbed to show that Kraven is a threat. Just my opinion thou. I'm open for reasoning
@@iandean6316 the Kraven instance I don’t have any issue with as that was a ridiculously one sided scenario
The sable thing, Peter doesn’t go all out against superhumans and no one bats an eye, so why would he go all out against peak humans either 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 What about the Miles instances? I see and understand your side because your takes actually make logical sense. Just kinda wished that Insomniac won't do something similar for the 3rd game.
@@iandean6316 which “miles” instances do you specifically have issues with?
And I’m glad I present my points in such a manner that don’t come across as being a twat 😅😇
he duck my disc 5x and just deleted my comment
Well imma 1up him then I guess
Get ur ass in the discord good sir ⚡️
My take is Peter wasn't nerfed... He was trash the whole time
Now that’s a spicy take
If Ultimate Joker wrote the story for Marvel's Spider-Man 2, I bet it'll fail pretty hard if that heavily biased CZcamsr ever tries to make Peter look pretty OP when compared to everyone and make Peter a Gary Stu.
bro was emotionally exchausted. Ofc this will have an effect to his physical abilities.
Raimi is better then nothing how is raimi better then spider-man 2😂😂bull shit is what that video is great video on it and I found it funny that you said "I don't see what the problem is" so many times😂great vid and peter does actually have a slight healing factor and lifting something heavy does mean you can punch harder the rock can lift heavy things that someone like me can't so he can punch harder and insomniac is the second strongest spider-man hes stronger then spectaculer alright sorry for the long ass comment I always do this😂also web of shadows sucks and is not a good story and he won because gaint venom wasn't that strong its one of those things where they kinda give up strategy and just go crazy and that boss sucks so who cares and INSOMNIAC HAS ALSO TAKING ON MULTIVERSAL THREATS! God this guys dumb I saw this vid weeks ago thanks for debunking everything so easily you are a hero to me 19:31 BVS did not do this good cuz 5 mins later he gunned down 5 people😂and web of shadows symbiotes are weak compared to insomniac symbiotes and i don't think miles is stronger physically i think hes just more powerful cuz he straight has more powers and also i wanted to thank you for giving me information that i just straight up just didn't know thanks 32:30 and thanks for saying this i always say that gameplay doesn't count cuz its not technically not canon my friends disagree somehow even tho its just factual and i have always preferred peters play style but i love miles but i just can't get over how cool the iron arms and symbiote abilities are and I don't think in gameplay miles is stronger cuz if your good the iron arms are cracked and i even prefer the first games gameplay to miles game cuz...im weird😂again sorry for the longass comment please reply tho i would love to talk with you about this vid
All the racism and homophobia is dumb 34:10 that's what I said it would be less realistic 34:09 out woked😂woke isn't even a real thing and what does sexually motivated even mean😂and yeah mj is badass always has been before insomniac and peter helped her break free like miles did with peter and like she did In 90s and spectacular some of the best symbiote storys and she beat the symbiotes cuz she has a SOUNDWAVE GUN! Literally a Gun that shoots they're weakness and her taser is busted...alright I'm done I hope made way too long a comment cuz these people piss me off....and andrew or tom would win a fight between the films raimi's strength is over rated so are the films but i understand liking him as long as you realize hes not the best and that the films have problems BIG problems mainly with the characters i think tom and andrew are better adaptation mainly andrew but tom is great as well 42:25 wdym think he is the strongest....jk he is in my opinion only almost equal to 616 but not the strongest cuz 616 actually became a god soooo
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@@resikincope harder this guy made a higher quality and smarter video then the other guy and you and he has actual proof get over it😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@resikin ok tobey fanboy also how am I a junior of myself😂dumbass
@@resikin Bro, that meme is not that funny anymore.
@@resikin nah
whos spiderman
No idea 😩
@@TheGamingRift11 is he like from one of those fan made stores
@@JAWsome-Deadpool probably a fanfic character
@@TheGamingRift11 ya your problely right
I commented on his video about the homophobia and he just replied to me and called me a "Godless hero-worshipping degenerate," which really shows how he is not a very good person.
Edit: bro, he just called me zesty 😭
He also said, "It's in the game, so it's related to the subject." 😐
So religious extremism then 😂
@@TheGamingRift11 yep
@@thecoolestguy847 that really is the icing on the shit shake
Also I love the “it’s in the game therefore it matters” when this guy ignores important context in the game and is so determined to ride WOS and Tobeys Spiderman 🤦♂️
@@TheGamingRift11 In his defence, though, I did overlook a lot of the dialogue in this game because I was just having fun playing it, I don't think he was, though.
I think the game could have been way much better not for the points that these guy brings but with some little changes on the narrative if the game had + 1 year to the devellopment could be better as you say this is rushed not just on kraven at everything honestly kraven isn’t spider man’s villain if black panther shows up on the city kraven suppose he is a better candidate to kill him thats it he won’t give a fuck about spider man, the game never pass that kraven wants peter because he hates him or somehow it has to be him to finish him, in the video he talks about the kraven power scale but the problem is the game only shows he killing scorpion that is someone kraven would take easily and the other sinister six members they kill them off-screen where i can’t believe how he takes off electro someone who can TP and fly and fight safe at distance that one i will be curious how kraven manage to him, the venom i just don’t like the whole megalomaniac thing for me its just not venom would like something more focus on peter than this generic villain that wants to conquer the world and about the anti-venom they could resolve this just putting at the final mission and actually using him like a deus ex machina cuz is inevitable people start to compare him with the comics that is a simbiote killer and in the game 90% of the encouters peter gets his ass kicked using something called anti-venom by venom.
I do agree that the worst aspect of this game is likely the story, but even so I don’t think it’s as bad as people say
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I’m think if you switch Peter and miles order in the venom boss fight that changes a lot of peoples minds. It did come across as Peter was incompetent imo. It felt like miles was cleaning up Peter’s messes most of the game. I felt like they should have had Pete help miles with his revenge arc instead of miles just working it out on his own. That shows miles isn’t perfect while giving Peter some agency.
How do you mean exactly? Peter had better showings canonically against Venom 🤔
@@TheGamingRift11 How? Peter got knocked out by venom 2 or 3 times while Miles never did
@@jpduval8 miles got restrained multiple times, and would’ve been knocked out or killed if MJ hadn’t saved him - and in the final struggle for the meteor Venom was overpowering Miles despite holding back against both him and Pete
Since gameplay isn’t canon, Peter in the second part of the fight did far better than Miles and was the one who ultimately vanquished the symbiote 🤷♂️
He got his ass kicked at the most vital and critical points in the story way too many times. in a way peter did get nerfed and but that's not the only thing that makes the story ass water It's just my opinion though. It's only saving grace was It's combat and traversal macanics solid 4/10 game
Well yeah?? The villains were far stronger in the second game and he had far less experience dealing with them compared to threats from the PS4 game…. What exactly would you expect?
Also 4 out of 10? Bruh…. That’s far too low (unless ur just referring to the story but even then I’d say it’s a 6 bare minimum)
nah man a 4/10 I hated its story I felt so annoyed by the scream spidey fights dialoge its like listening to a divorced maerried couple quarrel about who gets custody of their kids. I hated how miles was obsessed with Martin Lee Tazm 2 game style.
And the pointless miles side missions. You liked the game good for you but alot of us didn't to me the games a complete missfire when it came to its story it makes since why it lost all its nominations as it was nominated for the wrong reasons. Of corse thats what you get when you have SBI work on it's naritive Pepole forget why people game in the first place it seems.
@@Archive1032 I see……
30:40 yes they don't like parker in this one look at the writers all black gay and women like why are you ignoring the facts?
Since when was it a problem for writers being black, homesexual or women? 😂
@@TheGamingRift11 since they started killing good white characters like joel
@@TheGamingRift11 it's pointless though talking about this stuff with you you're from uk and muslims are taking over your land 🥱
as a iranian i expect nothing more from these modern white people
you guys love to just act liberal until it's to late
@@Retr0_d so white characters can no longer die? 😂🤔
I’m so confused
Still doesn’t change the fact the game is MID and it’s a disappointing Insomniac didn’t go ALL OUT on this game.
Pray tell, what spiderman games exceed this one if you view this as being mid??
And why would they go all out?
They said SM1 was their Iron Man
SM2 was there civil war
And SM3 will be their endgame 🤷♂️
i was wondering when you'd debunk these atrocious claims
Oh and you can use miles for the howard mission (but why would you)
Yeah I wasn’t 100% certain about the Howard thing but me and most people used Peter for that mission 🤷♂️
@@TheGamingRift11A better example would be The Flame quests that are exclusive to Peter . (unless you do the glitch to play as Miles)
The sudden turn of people hating on the game is insane. The game has some flaws, but it’s an amazing game, people act like the game killed their parents.
I would say that’s very extreme but honestly idk how else to describe it 😂