Distillation of Gasoline/Petrol

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  • čas přidán 18. 03. 2018
  • Big question: Is a Graham condenser useless? In order to find out, we do some fractional distillation of fuel and talk about what the major component of each fraction is (or at least have a guess at it) and nothing blows up which is nice, but I do insult the condenser and swear quite a bit sorry
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  • @lazy1126
    @lazy1126 Před 4 lety +1488

    this is one crazy bong dude

    • @klimke22
      @klimke22 Před 4 lety +17

      **tweak set lol

    • @Speedojesus
      @Speedojesus Před 3 lety +16

      @SinisterMinister ah fuck off you sook

    • @PaxHeadroom
      @PaxHeadroom Před 3 lety +17

      @SinisterMinister oh wow so glad you were here to point out that someone made a joke that was easy to make, I applaud your intelligence good sir good job good job epic have some reddit gold

    • @SamFirthDesigner
      @SamFirthDesigner Před 3 lety +24

      Don't knock it, I've made some good bongs out of glassware

    • @alockworkorange7296
      @alockworkorange7296 Před 3 lety +10

      @@SamFirthDesigner ice water thru s condensor.makes a grest tube stick it in a three neck flask with a diffuser and slide in another and plug in the third hold together with keek clips sounds like a.good time

  • @AlbinoKiwi47
    @AlbinoKiwi47 Před 4 lety +400

    "when i got that random illegal shipment of glassware accidentally sent to me" haha what

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 4 lety +141

      Yeah that happened lol

    • @Shad0wBoxxer
      @Shad0wBoxxer Před 4 lety +14

      Extractions&Ire im waving my arms and going HOW!

    • @jayson0987
      @jayson0987 Před 4 lety +59

      @@ExtractionsAndIre probably a stupid question but how the fuck can glassware be illegal? even crack pipes and bongs are legal to ship into Aus.

    • @Camwize
      @Camwize Před 4 lety +47

      All I can say is fuck the world we live in if glassware can be illegal.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Před 4 lety +66

      @@Camwize It may have been imported in an illegal fashion, rather than being illegal in and of itself.

  • @kevinbyrne4538
    @kevinbyrne4538 Před 4 lety +693

    The Graham condenser was invented by Prof. Thomas Graham, who was working for British Revenue. Liquors were taxed according to their alcohol content. Traditional methods for determining alcohol content were not accurate. So Graham made this condenser in order to precisely determine the alcohol content of a liquor.

    • @holyravioli5795
      @holyravioli5795 Před 4 lety +149

      Well that explains its single use.

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Před 4 lety +67

      Still useless, he should have invented the hydrometer instead.

    • @IceBergGeo
      @IceBergGeo Před 4 lety +108

      @@tissuepaper9962 that only measures density. Add more sugar and it becomes more dense, and therefore, not accurate.

    • @kevinbyrne4538
      @kevinbyrne4538 Před 3 lety +9

      @Dr. M. H. -- Ummm, that honor belongs to Nabisco (the National Biscuit Company). ;)

    • @samuelstephanz3503
      @samuelstephanz3503 Před 2 lety +8

      Odd, because as soon as I saw that I thought if it was made of food grade copper pipe and tubing I’d have a use for that

  • @ExtractionsAndIre
    @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +336

    The shadows on the corrugated iron background give this a very unsettling film noir vibe, maybe I should film these videos from the other direction, so the background is roses. There'll be more going on and possibly more distracting, but it wont give you vertigo at least

    • @theterribleanimator1793
      @theterribleanimator1793 Před 6 lety +19

      Extractions&Ire to be honest, i didn't even notice.

    • @Wortnik
      @Wortnik Před 4 lety +14

      The background was great, gave really good patterns through the glassware so you could se the structures of the devices that you were using. Not had a chance to play with these things for years, love the channel mate. Keep it up! Also what the hell is illegal glassware?

    • @Kirillissimus
      @Kirillissimus Před 4 lety +8

      @Anonymous Anonymous Anything can be illegal if you import it without noticing the customs and paying a fee.

    • @BillM1960
      @BillM1960 Před 4 lety +5

      I like it, definitely enhances the "mad scientist" vibe which you are clearly a scientist and definitely mad, but in a way I like!

    • @jhyland87
      @jhyland87 Před 4 lety +6

      @@theterribleanimator1793 I didn't notice either... He underestimates how awesome his videos are, nobody is looking at the damn wall in the background... lol

  • @JackSchitt
    @JackSchitt Před 4 lety +274

    Why am I watching this... I don't know chemistry, I'm never gonna use any of this. Fuck half the time I'm not even sure what you're saying.

  • @uint16_t
    @uint16_t Před 3 lety +75

    I'd love to see diesel fuel as comparison. I'd expect it to have proportionally more of the heavier aromatics.

  • @j_sum1
    @j_sum1 Před 6 lety +233

    Your videos are getting funnier. Loving the rambling commentary at the moment.
    I have a parallel adapter useful for vertical distillations so can do without the horizontal liebig. I think that grahams potentially have a decent heat transfer rate with all that surface area and a vertical orientation can mean a smaller bench footprint. I have used them for larger volume solvent recovery - set it up and crank up the heat while you do something else with the benchspace. (Washing up perhaps.)
    I have the exact same thermocouple too. My glass thermometers get a lot less use these days.

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +70

      I'm glad you liked the rambling, I was concerned this video was a little too full of random anecdotes, which turned what should have been a kid of simple video into one of my longest ever made..
      I guess they do have a decent transfer rate, but I don't like the smaller footprint thing. It's not that much smaller, and means that your outlet is closer to the heating source... there's no way i'd put the fumes from the petrol distillation that close to the heating mantle, so that also limits its usefulness to me. So yeah, you actually use yours by choice? Maybe they aren't deserving of a 1/10 on the rating scale, that was a little harsh.
      In terms of the thermometer, yeah they are real good. I'd say I use the glass thermometers probably 2/3 times still, but when it comes to a video, I prefer to use the screen because its so much easier to see whats going on without having to focus on a tiny line of mercury

    • @federicozanolli
      @federicozanolli Před rokem +7

      @@ExtractionsAndIre little late to the party but the rambling was one if the best parts 😄

  • @DancingRain
    @DancingRain Před 6 lety +193

    I thought its purpose was to evacuate the inner spiral and backfill with an inert gas, then apply high voltage. Fill the jacket with fluorescent dye for more visual effects. :P

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +128

      Ah see now I have a use for it again!

    • @DancingRain
      @DancingRain Před 6 lety +27

      Yep. Improvise a Geissler tube.

    • @JoeSexPack
      @JoeSexPack Před 4 lety +31

      Tried that, coating borosilicate glass for neon lamp is difficult.

    • @BillM1960
      @BillM1960 Před 4 lety +1

      LOL

    • @garbleduser
      @garbleduser Před 4 lety +8

      @joesexpack Please elaborate on this!

  • @Omicron91
    @Omicron91 Před 3 lety +22

    The Graham may be less useful but you have to admit it's the coolest looking condenser and the one I most want to use as a drinking straw.

    • @martijnvangelder1902
      @martijnvangelder1902 Před rokem +5

      Omg imagine drinking some kind of colored spirit from it that would be so cool.

    • @tktspeed1433
      @tktspeed1433 Před rokem +5

      My god, the perfect straw for drinking hot stuff since it has the cooling :D

  • @AcrylDame
    @AcrylDame Před 4 lety +125

    I don't think petrol contains compounds with boiling points above 160°C. What I think happened during the boiling process is that you accidently created a whole bunch of polymerisation reactions (Diels Alder mechanism and other types of cycloadditions). These polymerisation products would be yellowish-brownish and would explain why the last factions were coloured. I'm not sure the dye moved at all, many dyes have quite a high boiling point so the last flask probably contained a mixture of dye and polimerisation products. Maybe you could make a follow-up about this topic? And keep up the good work, your videos are really fun to watch.

    • @billymays495
      @billymays495 Před 4 lety +4

      Ur a nerd

    • @sierra5065
      @sierra5065 Před 4 lety +28

      Given what they're watching it would make sense

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 Před 4 lety +16

      Petrol for vehicle use contains some decane if it's about 85-90 RON. There's traces of it in higher RON rated fuels. The only "petrol" I know of that really has almost none is Av-Gas. Decane has a boiling point above 170C.

    • @drtidrow
      @drtidrow Před 4 lety +9

      @@gordonlawrence4749 Winter blends of gasoline might also be very decane-deficient - they're skewed towards the lighter components for easier starting in low temps.

    • @floorpizza8074
      @floorpizza8074 Před 2 lety +4

      @@billymays495 Yup, and you can thank every nerd that has ever lived for the amazing quality of life you have today. If not for nerds, you'd still be swinging your club in a cave. Show some respect, Mr. Studly.

  • @wombatop4069
    @wombatop4069 Před 4 lety +25

    God, finally a chemist with a sense of humor. I Lmao throughout the whole video, the way you explain things is great. I definitely sub'd

  • @buckstarchaser2376
    @buckstarchaser2376 Před rokem +8

    One cool misuse for a Graham condenser is when making/distilling HCl or HNO3. You can install it slanted and it keeps a bit of cooled liquid at each low spot. Not only is this fun to watch - like a "silly straw" - but it may increase contact time and recover some of the potentially wasted gasses. Using it this way also doubles as a flow indicator, as it becomes very obvious when you've hit a boiling point change (or if you need convincing to use a variable transformer, instead of a thermostat switch on your heat source). Mostly, it's just a fun little silly straw to watch while you're babysitting a long project though.

  • @commandantcarpenter
    @commandantcarpenter Před 8 měsíci +1

    coloring fuel like that is a god damn ingenious idea

  • @covodex516
    @covodex516 Před 4 lety +12

    7:34 camera moves down the column to the roundbottom flask
    stirring bar: *weeee*

  • @Duda286
    @Duda286 Před 2 měsíci

    "All right, the light's failing on me"
    Thanks, I will use that every time the sun sets now

  • @bigrockets
    @bigrockets Před 6 lety +7

    I bought a Graham condenser when I broke my Liebig. One difference I noticed right away was how much more pressure is required to push the distillate through, as compared with the Liebig. The added total surface area of all those coils heats up the coolant water much faster, even with lots of ice in the reservoir. I also noticed some oscillation of the distillate in the coils, ( I run my condenser at the same angle I used the Liebig). This caused some suck back of the distillate if I wasn't pushing the boiling flask harder than I did with the Liebig. Actually the suck back really didn't hurt anything because it was just refluxed back through the condenser all over again. This oscillation slowed the process down unless I kept the head pressure higher than I normally ran the Liebig set up at. I got the Graham to work at 45 degrees ok, I it was just sort of a pain after not experiencing any of the above mentioned phenomena with the Liebig. Millimeter to millimeter the Gramham is much more efficient at condensation than the Liebigs are but as long as what's coming over is liquid, the who really cares? I ordered another Liebig condenser because I like the ease of distillation with the Liebigs as opposed to the Graham units. That's my two cents on this. Interesting video btw!

  • @RepublikSivizien
    @RepublikSivizien Před 4 lety +26

    This

  • @DavidSmith-nn6kl
    @DavidSmith-nn6kl Před 2 lety +2

    Your a life saver I dropped a flask on my notebook and totally ruin 2 pages all about this and you summed it up and made way less work on my part I appreciate it

  • @paulgeorge7600
    @paulgeorge7600 Před 4 lety +12

    I wouldn't be without my Graham condenser for alcohol distillation, and being just alcohol I made the connections out of plumbing parts

  • @williamjemeyson5101
    @williamjemeyson5101 Před 3 lety +10

    4:16 Not gonna lie, had to do a double-take on that chair. Thought those were straight up tortillas.

  • @7272nighthawk
    @7272nighthawk Před 4 lety +7

    ah the memories when you just pulled up to the pump and the clerk would ask you leaded or unleaded!!

  • @whyprim
    @whyprim Před 4 lety +8

    The bongs I could make from your glass pieces is actually nutty 😂👍

    • @Shad0wBoxxer
      @Shad0wBoxxer Před 4 lety +1

      Chris Primmer lol McGuyver’s we are, i love the one film where the guys like, bring me...... then they were like we dont have ... he was like ok then bring me ..................

  • @kylecrane5751
    @kylecrane5751 Před 5 lety +7

    Funny enough I remember by mom and dog walking into the garage when I had some tube pumping the sulfuric gas outside during a distillation and she and the dog stepped on the tube which caused my still head to pop off and spray boiling acidic fumes in the whole garage. Ah memories... Always keep a gas mask on hand.

  • @amosz5726
    @amosz5726 Před 4 lety +11

    You'll probably appreciate the Graham condenser the first time you make methyl iodide or methyl formate. The former is especially stubborn to condense.

  • @ipaqmaster
    @ipaqmaster Před rokem

    These videos are fantastic, glad I subbed let alone YT finally introducing me to your uploads.

  • @jhyland87
    @jhyland87 Před 4 lety +36

    You should distill crude oil and make a video of it! Thats what I would like to see (and may try myself).

    • @jhyland87
      @jhyland87 Před 4 lety +2

      @Gerry Murphy Oh really? I wanted to give this a shot on my own as a nice intro to fractional distillation. I'll be sure to look for the thinner north sea crude oil when I do then. Thanks!

    • @tissuepaper9962
      @tissuepaper9962 Před 4 lety +3

      @@jhyland87 You could also try making your own version of the columns they use industrially. The way I'd try to replicate it would be to get a bunch of disposable pie tins from the grocery store, and use a nail to punch holes in from the bottom (creating a lip which, hopefully, would prevent the liquids flowing out of the trays they belong in), and then stack those on top of each other over a boiling vessel and wrap the whole thing in foil.
      Ghetto for sure, but it would keep you from plugging up your expensive glassware.

    • @jhyland87
      @jhyland87 Před 4 lety +2

      @@tissuepaper9962 hey, thats a cool idea. That would be a continuous distillation setup too!

    • @bcubed72
      @bcubed72 Před 2 lety

      @@tissuepaper9962
      With alcohol, you can use a copper pipe, with the inside "packed" with copper scouring pads or wire. Something with a high "area to volume ratio." Lets the alcohol condense and redistill in the way up.
      Oil is, if anything, easier, because no water. You might even be able to select a metal with catalytic properties that give you more of one particular fraction.

  • @joshmellon390
    @joshmellon390 Před 3 lety +1

    I wish I lived in Australia.. I sub to basically every channel I see (not even kidding lol) but my favorite ones are the ones "out back" haha. BigStackD is one of my favorite, among others lol. Thank you for awesome content bro!

  • @albertlee8586
    @albertlee8586 Před rokem +2

    “In Australia, we’re idiots. But we’re really smart in working out ways to cope with the fact that we’re idiots”

  • @paulbaumer8210
    @paulbaumer8210 Před 4 lety +3

    The Grahams are quite efficient for large scale distilation if you set them up correctly. ie you can push a lot of vapour through them before they are compromised. In essence they are just an extra long Leibig. e.g. If I'm distilling large volumes of ethanol from fermentation mixtures I tend to use a Graham.

  • @CDangles
    @CDangles Před 2 měsíci +1

    Teacher: "What's a cool job to have when you grow up kids?"
    Class: "CZcamsr!"
    .
    Actual CZcamsr: "At least I didn't die from Sulfuric Acid."

  • @matty8944
    @matty8944 Před 5 lety +7

    I was almost going to buy a graem condenser before I watched this
    Cheers for warning me mate

  • @PaulSteMarie
    @PaulSteMarie Před 4 lety +3

    I seem to remember a u-shaped piece of glass for hooking up a Graham condenser. It had two male joints pointing straight down. One side had a thermometer port. From there the cross piece was angled downward slightly to the other side.

  • @TheGayestPersononYouTube
    @TheGayestPersononYouTube Před 6 lety +11

    While you’re right that Grahams don’t get a lot of use I love using mine for steam distillations. Something alchemical about it.
    Interesting video!

    • @TheGayestPersononYouTube
      @TheGayestPersononYouTube Před 6 lety +1

      kan petyim haha it’s going just not at the moment due to the cold. I see e+f and I have the exact opposite problem :)

  • @alllove1754
    @alllove1754 Před 5 lety +15

    The use of colors to code items as separate makes things simple. Taking something that's complicated and making it simple is a sign of genius, so don't go knocking your country:) nice work and thanks for the glassware tutorial bc I'm not in school and so any real science is a blessing

    • @Asdayasman
      @Asdayasman Před 2 lety +3

      Careful what you apply it to though. Different coloured fuel - good categorisation. Different coloured traffic lights - good categorisation. Different coloured people - o shit don't go there.

    • @PlatoonGoon
      @PlatoonGoon Před rokem +3

      @@Asdayasman That was a very odd takeaway.

    • @Asdayasman
      @Asdayasman Před rokem

      @@PlatoonGoon I amused myself with it, that's more than enough.

  • @science_and_anonymous
    @science_and_anonymous Před 6 lety +4

    I HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG TO SEE THIS ON CZcams!!! You da chemist boi ;)

  • @edgeeffect
    @edgeeffect Před 4 lety +2

    I love your retort stand / lab jack.... it looks strangely like an old stool.

  • @tedfeats1719
    @tedfeats1719 Před 2 lety

    I love your corollary commentary and relevant tid bits. Gidday cobb from nz cheers mate

  • @theredvelvetyfox8814
    @theredvelvetyfox8814 Před rokem +1

    I started my new year watching this video

  • @DanielSMatthews
    @DanielSMatthews Před 6 lety +11

    Can you do the same for coal, and see if you get enough components to blend petrol from some of them? Or is cracking and reforming just completely beyond what is possible with a DIY set up?

  • @patrick247two
    @patrick247two Před 4 lety +6

    I'm old so I remember leaded petrol. I was told lead was added to petrol to improve the lifespan of the valve seat components of the engine.

    • @100Transistors
      @100Transistors Před 4 lety +1

      Patrick Barry it does

    • @evansmoak7286
      @evansmoak7286 Před 4 lety +5

      100Transistors shame it causes decrease in lifespan in other things though

    • @Krankie_V
      @Krankie_V Před 4 lety +2

      The reason lead was added was for an anti-knock agent. Prolonging the valve seat life was only a happy side effect.

  • @BillM1960
    @BillM1960 Před 4 lety +1

    I used to do a lot of emissions testing and we used a lot of Graham condensers but only to condense water in the gas stream and we didn't care if the condensate got stuck in the condenser because at the end of a test, we would recover the condenser as part of the sample anyway and then analyze it for what we were looking for. Used this way, it can be used sideways if you like and I believe that it is probably a more efficient condenser than the other ones and I would think that would be the case here but it would be shit for trying to use as a distillation column for example. In other words, I think it depends on the application.

  • @screwlose
    @screwlose Před 4 lety +2

    There's a bunch of stuff that happens between the crude and the pump, you got isomerisation for C6 material, straight to branched conversation. Reforming from straight and cycloalkanes to aromatics.

  • @xxinsufficiency
    @xxinsufficiency Před 2 lety

    I saw the title and thought “that sounds F***ING dangerous let’s go” and clicked immediately

  • @speelydan
    @speelydan Před 10 měsíci

    Regarding Tetraethyl Lead in Gasoline - I grew up in what most of the world thinks of when they think of America's "Midwest" - a little

  • @user-ie2qw6ce9e
    @user-ie2qw6ce9e Před 2 lety +2

    Чувак, ты просто в раю живёшь!!!
    Тут приходится иной раз выворачиваться на изнанку ради таких простых и весёлых вещей...

  • @jeffreymcnamara216
    @jeffreymcnamara216 Před 4 lety +11

    14:06 he caused the fires in Australia

  • @damanifesto
    @damanifesto Před 4 lety +1

    Ecellent video. Thank you!

  • @Tranarpnorra
    @Tranarpnorra Před 5 měsíci +1

    No Tom, you never lose. You're just taking another route to success. Ok?

  • @halonothing1
    @halonothing1 Před 5 lety +5

    Talking about tetraethyl lead for some reason reminded me of this time when I was in grade 2 or 3, the principal said some older kids were seen breathing exhaust from the exhaust pipes of cars. I don't even know what would possess somebody to do such a thing.

  • @ms2649
    @ms2649 Před 4 lety +2

    That is really smart because if you know you need "red" petrol its easy to find the right one

  • @HomemadeChemistry
    @HomemadeChemistry Před 6 lety +4

    Very good vid, and yeah, roses would be a little more comfortable as background.
    My Graham turned out to do a very good job distilling DCM. But I hate him anyway, gave me so much headache. It was my first bad amateur mistake, choosing the more expensive Graham over a much cheaper Liebig. Always clogging up no matter how perfectly vertical I position it... It is also very inconvenient to bring it on an airplane, but being Brazil, I explained what it is for and they let me pass after stripping me down to the underpants.

    • @main7767
      @main7767 Před 5 lety +2

      Homemade Chemistry mercado livre has some good lab stuff i buy mine things there when i cant find something on my lab supplyer

  • @tenebignisgames4926
    @tenebignisgames4926 Před 4 lety +2

    "Because it's dark" The horrors we've seen Australia house is only the first wave. The next comes out at night.

  • @richardsandwell2285
    @richardsandwell2285 Před 4 lety +2

    Butane is interesting in that it dissolves in water, unlike Propane which is only minutely soluble.
    Beware Gas Engineers using Water Gauges, your gauge will always indicate a leak on a Butane system, and eventually, the gas plumbing will go into a vacuum as the Butane dissolves into the water inside the gauge.
    Even the gas safety standards centre did not know about this one.

  • @hoggif
    @hoggif Před 4 lety

    Too long separating column can have negative effects. It tends to cool easily and you need lot of thermal insulation. It can also lead to cranking up the heat to get anything through and you can get into pushing stuff through with vapors with very bad separation. In small scale you can also get problems with having enough materials to fill a huge column with vapours at all.
    For extreme separation you are much better off with single lengh column and you can use columns that take filling materials (usually glass/plastic) to get more surface area for better separation.

  • @RaExpIn
    @RaExpIn Před 6 lety +9

    I recently read a bit about the burning properties of organic compounds. :D Hydrocarbons tend to produce more soot when burned the longer they are. So, it might not all be due to double bonds. It would be interesting to do some more tests on the fractions, like treating it with baeyers reagent or bromine water.

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +2

      Random Experiments Int. - Experiments and syntheses Yeah I was considering doing more tests, but it seemed like the alkenes might be spread so well across all the fractions that all of them would give the same result to things like bromine water

    • @RaExpIn
      @RaExpIn Před 6 lety

      Too bad. Nevertheless, it's still a result that shows, why it's so difficult to separate all the different compounds by distillation.

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +2

      Yes it would show that pretty well. Or maybe I'm wrong! An experiment is a lot more meaningful than my armchair assumptions!
      I've been thinking it might be good to try and get something useful from this experiement, probably the hexane? I could distil just the hexane fraction, clean it from alkenes, then re-distll? Could be a useful lab solvent

    • @RaExpIn
      @RaExpIn Před 6 lety +1

      I'd try washing the fraction containing the hexane with bromine water until it doesn't lose it's colour anymore, then with some sulfite/thiosulfate/metabilsulfite solution to remove excess bromine. Otherwise it might react in sunlight with the alkanes. Drying and redistilling it might remove the halogenated alkenes that might have a way different boling point. A beilstein test might reveal, if the product contains any halogenated compounds. Sounds like an interesting project to me! :) You could even just collect the fraction around 68°C from some petrol, treat it like I said before and use the rest for your car :D

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +1

      I drive a diesel car so maybe just the high boiling stuff :P
      I was thinking I could sulfonate it with sulfuric acid, then wash all that out with water. Maybe there's some sulfur stuff in there too, perhaps the acid wash should take care of that too.
      Bromine isn't something that that's easy to do for me. I mean I can, but yeah

  • @ScrotN
    @ScrotN Před 3 lety +4

    Him: Showing his glass ware
    *Me laughing with my 600th polypropylene bottle*

  • @danielgrantcoleman
    @danielgrantcoleman Před 6 lety +9

    I would have liked an added bonus of a sniff test. Toluene/xylene has a distinctive smell. And as far as the others, im curious if there was any difference. But yea. Always wanted to try something like that. I have some 112 octane racing fuel i want to give a go. Great idea for a video.

  • @georgiabenedict7314
    @georgiabenedict7314 Před 4 lety +2

    They have a recovery between point a° and point b° and include trace other elements.
    It is washing that produces the pure element individually.

    • @jonross377
      @jonross377 Před 4 lety

      No, it is a better setup and more accurate temps.

  • @Lissica1
    @Lissica1 Před 3 lety

    The graham has more cooling surface than the liebig and can put away a lot of heat at the right water flow rate. Its most used in reaction interstages or if you need a low end temperature.

  • @kubilayacar6578
    @kubilayacar6578 Před 3 lety +1

    Well, the graham condenser is pretty important.. :D at least in german universities it is used everytime. But it does not make sense to use it in a fractional destillation, as you said. You can use it for reflux in any kind, e.g. recrystallization, activating grignard reagents, just to keep your solvent when heating a flask and stuff. You can also use it for a two and three necked flask.. No problems at all and a very very important glassware

  • @wesleymccravy901
    @wesleymccravy901 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Lololol I love my Graham condenser. Step 1 make blackberry wine, step 2 distill it, step 3 drink the majority of the distillate, step 4 go to work

  • @thepostman69
    @thepostman69 Před 4 lety

    The accute angle on the graham condensor elbow is meant to be the highest point in the evap system. In america we use graham condensors all the time in appalachian style liquor stills. Its what my pops uses to make out whiskey out of his copper still!

  • @mortlet5180
    @mortlet5180 Před 6 lety +6

    I actually think that you did indeed distill either the dye itself, or some decomposition products, over. None of the short-chain alkyl-benzenes would have that colour, or decompose to that colour in your setup.
    You didn't filter the gas stream through a fine sinter, nor did you do a lagged distillation.
    Combined with the VIGOROUS boiling speed and switching to only using one Vigreaux column, I would expect more than enough of the dye to make it over (irrespective of what it's vapour pressure is at your maximum temperature. It could be 0, but would still come over with the mass flow.), especially since so little is required for the colour to be noticeable.

    • @ExtractionsAndIre
      @ExtractionsAndIre  Před 6 lety +3

      I think you're dead on mate, I think I saw it misting quite a bit so that'll be it. Its one of those 'theoretically it shouldn't happen at all but it does all the time' examples

  • @leadgindairy3709
    @leadgindairy3709 Před 4 lety +1

    the 70 degree adapter is a distillation head adapter, its used on the other side of the liebig just without a thermometer

  • @pbpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpb
    @pbpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpb Před 6 lety +4

    Love it!

  • @SecretLars
    @SecretLars Před rokem +1

    The Graham condenser is my idea of a more effective condensing distillatory as it has a larger surface area.
    I always worry that my condensers aren't long enough and much of my distillate is being lost into the air.

  • @mfree80286
    @mfree80286 Před 4 lety +3

    MMT additives, if I remember correctly, leave a reddish deposit on spark plugs. Might be a good identifier...

  • @lrmackmcbride7498
    @lrmackmcbride7498 Před 2 lety

    Graham condesor is primarily used for low boiling components with ice water or ethylene glycol/water/dry ice or isopropyl alcohol/dry ice or some other cooling agent.

  • @dr.weirdbeard6054
    @dr.weirdbeard6054 Před 4 lety

    Yeah man you got it right. I've bought one of those condensers mainly because they look nice but never used it...i don't know why they still sell so many of em...although I use a graham for my soxhlet apparatus.

  • @johnblacksuperchemist2556

    GREAT and UNIQUE video. Everyone including me wanted someone to distill some gasoline. Sweet. I cannot believe you hate the graham condenser and a lot of other people do too. TRUST ME I KNOW ALL THE NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT IT BUT I always say it is great BUT ONLY FOR low boiling liquids. Like liquids boiling close to room temp. I feel if it is refluxing that the liquids trapped in the coils help prevent gases from exiting the condenser. And when distilling room temp boiling point liquids i feel the puddles stuck in the coils help to build up the gases and give them more time to condense to a lot lower temperature than it's boiling point. And give the gas a chance to dissolve in its own condensation. So no gas escapes out by the receiving flask. But for anything else i think it really sucks.........BUT THEY LOOK COOL. I loved having it when i distilled methylbromide. I think a liebig or ahlin would have not been as good. I think a lot more methylbromide would have evaporated in the receiving flask.....and yes i had an ice bath on the receiving flask.....................But this is just an opinion. I have never really read any books that were specifically about condensers.

  • @campbellwalls6720
    @campbellwalls6720 Před 8 měsíci

    Also fuel that is too flammable will cause detonation not knocking. Knocking means something is mechanically wrong. Detonation can lead to knocking but not vice-versa. You could have the proper fuel for the engine and have your ignition timing off and that would also cause detonation.

  • @garycard1456
    @garycard1456 Před 6 lety +1

    Maybe the yellow tinge of the highest BP fraction could be explained by pi conjugation (alternating single and double C bonds)? Maybe traces of a biphenyl (fused aryl) species?

  • @graealex
    @graealex Před 4 lety +2

    "Hi, today we're going to boil some gasoline in my backyard"

  • @TurbineResearch
    @TurbineResearch Před 2 lety +1

    Ah yes ... " Sweet fuckall" one of the lightest distilents of Australian petroleum

  • @Les__Mack
    @Les__Mack Před 4 lety +1

    You got me at "we managed to collect sweet fuck all". Subscribed. Liked. Thanks for a great video. Made me dream about setting up a chemistry lab. Made me smile.

  • @jhyland87
    @jhyland87 Před 5 lety +8

    4:07 have you thought about heating it up and modifying the glass? Make it something more useful...

  • @blahfasel2000
    @blahfasel2000 Před 2 lety

    AFAIK unleaded gasoline doesn't contain the organometallic complexes you mentioned. It was what was called Lead Replacement Petrol (LRP) that contained them which was meant for use with old engines that were incompatible with unleaded fuel during the transition, but it was relatively quickly phased out because consumers confused LRP and unleaded petrol. The reason was that the lead had a secondary purpose besides anti-knocking, it protected the valve seats against erosion by depositing a thin lead layer on top of them, and the organo-metallics were meant as a replacement for that (more modern engines designed for unleaded petrol use erosion-resistant materials in their valve seats). Unleaded fuel uses aromatics, ethers and alcohols (mostly ethanol) as anti-knocking agents.

  • @jmi967
    @jmi967 Před 3 měsíci

    Salt brine would be fine for the initial fractions. Start at 23% and just add ice as needed (and occasionally salt as the freezing point gets too high). Heck, you could still use dry ice but only use it to keep the brine cold so you aren’t dealing with the headache of supercooling.

  • @webfox1
    @webfox1 Před 4 lety +1

    Do they make an inverted Graham condenser? You pointed out that the distillate could clog the coil if it weren't vertical. What if the coil carried the coolant, and the outer part held the gas? Then it could be used at most angles. Just a thought. The condensation would collect on the coil, drip off into the lower neck, and if the encasing tube were tapered, not made with a shoulder, it would be easier to collect at most angles. Also, if you're thinking, "Well, it would bead up at the bottom of each ring of the coil," but you could also mount a long, straight glass rod to the bottom of the coil. It would collect all the drops and drips in a straight line, and gravity would bring them all down together to the exit.
    It's not an impossible design, and it could work. Just don't touch the outer glass. You can with a normal Graham, but this would have the hot gas in contact with the outside this way.

    • @Jayko30
      @Jayko30 Před 4 lety

      google friedrichs condenser it sort of that...

  • @RJRyenolds
    @RJRyenolds Před 3 lety +1

    This is the best account on CZcams dude.

  • @charlesurrea1451
    @charlesurrea1451 Před rokem

    Grahams are best for heavy vapours.
    They just ride down like a roller coaster.
    You bar keeps coming decoupled. You consider chips?
    I have my refluxer with 4 thermocouples along it. (Making shine)
    Really gets the layers tight when tied to a process controller.
    That runs to the Liebig and then the Graham.
    If you use a 34970A you can watch where the vapour line is in the system and know exactly when it crests the head.
    Putting a scale at the end so I can automate soaking/holding to change out flasks.
    I keep a crock full of hot sand and a bucket of ice water for the jackets.
    The controller does it's thing keeping it all dialed in.

  • @johnhonda93
    @johnhonda93 Před 5 lety

    Very Nice video. I've always been interested in distilling gasoline, but I haven't seen any videos on it. You mentioned how they dye the different grades in Australia. Im not sure if you know, but in the US certain fuels are dyed too.. but not anything you'd get at a regular station. They dye off road diesel fuel and fuel oil red here, because you don't pay the road tax on it. You're obviously not allowed to use it in a road vehicle... They also dye aviation fuels different colors so they don't accidentally put the wrong fuel in an airplane

  • @waitemc
    @waitemc Před 4 lety

    We love you aussies . Yall are a good bunch of people
    Hopfully some time in my life I get a chance to visit

  • @bearddragon_
    @bearddragon_ Před 4 lety +4

    Welcome to this weeks edition of "Why is this in my recommended?"

  • @ericlee9146
    @ericlee9146 Před 3 lety +1

    The lead was to help with spark knock and they dyed it red and it had a longer shelve life

  • @ke9tv
    @ke9tv Před 6 lety +3

    US has ethanol in motor fuels routinely, and methyl t-butyl ether.

  • @jtreinen762
    @jtreinen762 Před 2 lety

    Here's what I can tell you about gasoline in the U.S. (at least in Nebraska, where I live) as compared to other parts of the world:
    Almost all of the low-grade fuels have "up to" 10% ethanol added. It's hard to find a gas station whose low-grade has no ethanol. Mid-grade can be pretty easily found with and without the 10% ethanol mixture. Premium is usually ethanol-free, but it can be found with ethanol. By law, all fuels containing ethanol must be labeled as such. We call it E-10 here.
    E-85 is becoming more available here as more and more vehicles are being produced with fuel systems that can adapt to different fuels, i.e. FlexFuel.
    In the last few years, I've also been seeing more places that sell E-15, with the disclaimer that it should only be used in cars made after 2003. As a mechanic, I should really know why that is, but I'm guessing it has something to do with improvements in fuel system tech from that point in time.
    Ethanol, from a mechanical/maintenance point of view has several benefits and drawbacks. It's much less expensive, and the higher the ethanol content, the more power your engine will make. E-85 has an octane rating of about 105, and it's common to find people installing E-85 conversions as performance upgrades. It also burns much cleaner.
    However, E-85 does have its downsides. Firstly, any ethanol fuel will yield much lower fuel efficiency, and E-85 is fucking abysmal on that front. On a long road trip, I filled my tank with E-85 and could watch my fuel gauge drop while driving at highway speeds. Also, as ethanol is hygroscopic, it pulls water from the air, and water should not be inside your engine. This same property also causes the seals, hoses, and pretty much any rubber components in the engine that come into contact with fuel to dry out and fail prematurely, causing leaks.
    For these reasons, I stay away from using ethanol fuels in my car regularly. Every once in a while, I'll fill it with ethanol blends to clean out the combustion chambers and fuel system a bit, but after that it goes right back to premium. The increased cost of premium fuel is more than made up for by the increase in fuel economy and maintenence intervals.

  • @enisylo
    @enisylo Před 4 lety +1

    Fun fact; it was a guy called Thomas Midgley that worked out using lead in fuel to reduce knocking, and he was responsible for one other major adaptation... he pioneered the use of CFCs in refrigeration. What an unfortunate combination.

  • @spacewalrus999
    @spacewalrus999 Před 3 lety +1

    I love how I get an ad for petroleum dyes on this vid

  • @makkusuXmax
    @makkusuXmax Před rokem

    I like to think you're one of the scientists in the beginning of resident evil. Very cool

  • @virgo113
    @virgo113 Před 4 lety +5

    You, uh. You did pump the coolant from the bottom up. Right?

  • @prawduhgee8834
    @prawduhgee8834 Před 2 lety

    This seems like it could have very easily became an episode of Explosions & Fire

  • @simoncollins69
    @simoncollins69 Před 2 lety

    came for the lizard stayed for the backyard science experiments

  • @mcFreaki
    @mcFreaki Před 4 lety +5

    woah wait you were working with something YELLOW?
    are you alright?

  • @barfoom
    @barfoom Před rokem

    i always heard in amateur motorsport communities that toluene was an effective octane booster, for example where I'm at the octane rating of fuels cuts off at 90 and e85 isn't available, so unless you can get your hands on avgas you're SOL for making reliable power - a couple local dealerships I worked with saw a lot of premature ringland failure in supercharged raptors & hellcats, folks dont boost their pump gas above 90 and the pre-detonation wreaks havoc.
    I've heard some folks get around this by mixing either toluene or xylene, both available as paint thinners at the hardware store for ~20$/gal, but I'm not exactly certain. I don't know enough about it for myself, it's not worth the risk. If i could be certain of purity and exactly what ratio to add i'd consider though.

  • @bencheevers6693
    @bencheevers6693 Před 6 měsíci

    You do want detonation in an engine, that's what makes it go, you don't want pre-ignition which is knock, that's where the detonation occurs early and tries to push the piston back down before it gets all the way to the top so it pushes backwards against the crankshaft, the piston is is pushing against the detonation taking energy from the flywheel or in an automatic from the fluid moving in the torque converter or wheels of the car to overcome the expansion and compress it to get over the hump, once it gets to the top it releases the pressure but that violent event that can bend rods and break seals. If you're not moving, bad enough knock can stall your engine.
    Diesel engines can have a similar though much less destructive issue where detonation doesn't occur on full compression which causes the fuel air mixture to exhaust and then ignite in your hot exhaust causing a backfire, gas cars can do this too if the air fuel mixture isn't right and you exhaust unburnt gas which ignites when it mixes with air at your tailpipe.

  • @Swamp_Donkey_
    @Swamp_Donkey_ Před 2 lety

    I like how he's incapable of picking up one of the fractional containers without swirling it

  • @pryonation
    @pryonation Před 9 měsíci

    Gram condensors are useful in distillations where a hydrosol is produced or the liquid distillate needs to separated into two phases, because they are really the only kind of condensor that can 1. Thoroughly cool the distillate and 2. Substantially slow the velocity of the distillate stream when used in a vertical orientation before entering vertically into a hydrosol seperator unit. The flow of distillate into a hydrosol seperator needs to be very gentle and laminar: the stream exiting the bottom of a gram condensor will be stuck to the side of the glass, which helps the distillate gently along into the hydrosol seperator.
    This gentle movement won't occur with other types of condensors used in a vertical orientation. Instead, the distillate will rapidly exit the condensors, form into drops, and violently splash down into the hydrosol seperator below.
    This is really bad because the speed of the incoming distillate stream will break apart any lighter fraction phase sitting on the surface of the liquid in the hydrosol seperator, splitting it into a bunch of tiny oil droplets. These droplets get swept away in the violent current, sucked out the bottom of the hydrosol seperator, and spilled into the aqueous collection bin as a bunch of un-coalesced rubbish, which destroys the yield of collected oil fraction and defeats the purpose of the steam distillation in the first place.
    Gram condensors: ideal for steam distillation of oils and freebase amines. Not worth their 1/10 rating! 😊
    @explosionsandfire

  • @immortalsofar5314
    @immortalsofar5314 Před 3 lety

    Reminds me of trying to use the pre-indexed, zero page addressing mode on the C64 - (zp,x). I did eventually use it to build a message scroller with 3 characters per sprite but most of the time it was pretty useless.

  • @jhyland87
    @jhyland87 Před 4 lety +4

    I knew there was something fishy about those alkanes.....