Air Fuel Ratio Tuning of the 5 - 8KW Diesel Heater / Stage one using AFR gauge

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  • čas přidán 5. 04. 2020
  • Ok, so I only got the maximum power tuned in this video. But I will get the low power dialled in soon.
    Best AFR with no smoke I got was 15.5 @ 5000 rpm and a pump speed of 7Hz. This was with a 22ml pump.
    Your results may vary on your heater, installation, etc.

Komentáře • 389

  • @andrewbartleman9169
    @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +54

    For anyone wanting to copy his numbers.. his numbers wont work for everyone. There is differences in the heaters ,burner tube construction, fuel pump, the combustion fan gap map be different, and exhaust intake and elevation all effect your clean burn settings. We see people trying to use others settings all the time and have high carbon monoxide so their heater soots up. Unfortunately you have to do your own for optimal burn.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety +29

      I've pinned this so people will see it better. Andrew is spot on, these numbers might not be ideal for your setup. I'm going to use a CO meter in the next video to see how this relates to the AFR, this is interesting.

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +5

      @@DavidMcLuckie thanks David. I am interested too

    • @ericdee6802
      @ericdee6802 Před 3 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckie What is your Altitude (feet above Sea level)? Just curious.✌️

    • @coachk7674
      @coachk7674 Před 2 lety

      I missed how you got into the settings adjusting I am at 9400 feet

    • @rhiantaylor3446
      @rhiantaylor3446 Před rokem

      It will also vary with fuel type so if you are blending used sump oil or vegetable oil with petrol/methanol/kerosene you should aim for consistent proportions and use this video's technique to calibrate the heater.

  • @reubenk7331
    @reubenk7331 Před 3 měsíci

    Great video! I really enjoy going through all of the tunning even with all of the effort to turn it off every, single, time. Your videos are always entertaining, and educational! I am really interesting in watching the CO video as well 🙂

  • @dm1126
    @dm1126 Před rokem +2

    Finally tinkered with the controls...
    Been running my 5-8 kw heater for over a year on the factory settings but needed a better air flow to circulate around my caravan.
    Used a set from another youtube video ... and so far seems to have improved the heat output and smell from exhaust (outside the caravan)
    When it starts up
    Set range 1.0 to 3.0 hz
    And fan at 2050 to 4550
    I use the lower settings and run the heater all night in my caravan
    Still cold here in NZ frosts this week
    Always enjoy the content
    Cheers Dave

  • @barrydwernychuk3902
    @barrydwernychuk3902 Před 4 lety +7

    Thanks for this, David! Others here have requested EGT and CO/CO2 readings. On a more practical note, measuring output air temperature as a function of AFR changes would be easy and useful. On my 5Kw unit, increasing max pump Hz from 5.0 to 6.0 produced noticeably hotter discharge air. I have no way of measuring AFR but I think I'd hesitate going above 6.0 hz (I tested as high as 6.3, in .1 hz steps) because the discharge air temp was hot enough to potentially soften/melt the (cheap) discharge vent and possibly damage the synthetic carpet abutting my floor-level discharge.

  • @v8snail
    @v8snail Před 4 lety +38

    Regarding pump capacities for those interested, the ml rating stamped on the pump body refers to how many millilitres are delivered per 1000 pump strokes.
    So ml per hour can be calculated using Pump Capacity (ml per 1000) x Hz x 3.6 (3600 secs per hour/1000 strokes per capacity)
    For example, a 22ml pump at 5Hz = 22 x 5 x 3.6 = *396 ml/hr* +/-5% accuracy.

    • @nomadchad8243
      @nomadchad8243 Před 2 lety +1

      is that a microliter or a picoliter?

    • @v8snail
      @v8snail Před 2 lety +1

      @@nomadchad8243
      A 22ml (millilitre) capacity pump, a measurement in ml per 1000 strokes, will deliver 22μl (microlitres) per stroke.

    • @lanceboudreau3630
      @lanceboudreau3630 Před rokem

      My diesel heater ( hcalory Hc-A01 has a setting that you could change the pump size does that mean I could make it burn more fuel making it put out more btu’s it ranges from 16 up to 65 I believe

    • @v8snail
      @v8snail Před rokem +3

      @@lanceboudreau3630
      The ratio of fuel and air needs to remain correct. If you jam in more fuel you need to increase the airflow accordingly. Your unit may not allow for that.

  • @Estabanwatersaz
    @Estabanwatersaz Před 4 lety +2

    Very informative and educational. Thank you 🙏 sir.

  • @snottanz
    @snottanz Před 2 lety +2

    Awesome Video, Mine was pumping out clouds of smoke, pulled it apart - major coking - cleaned out, then reprogrammed (5kw unit - my new pump is a 28ml) and my settings ended up being P 1.2 @ 1450 for low (didn't adjust) and P 4.4 @ 4500 for high (was pushing black smoke @ P 5.0) - absolutely awesome now - thank you for a great video

    • @ingresoprepararte
      @ingresoprepararte Před 2 lety

      HI Snotta.,I,m frfom Argentina,my inglish is very bad....sorry.I have a 5KW and my new pump its a 28ml .its in a litle sailboat,any recomendations ?

    • @ingresoprepararte
      @ingresoprepararte Před 2 lety

      sorry!!!its a webasto 9012868 c !!!

  • @andrewbartleman9169
    @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +29

    We usually keep the max fan speed under 4500 or around there. The fans don't last long over 4500. And we will tweak the fuel only. The problem with running rich or cold is they soot up. No one enjoys cleaning these heaters when they actually use them for heat for hours or months at a time. You want the case temperature to be over 150°c for low setting and over 180 up to 215°c for high. And yes you can tune it while it's running by the way..

    • @barrydwernychuk3902
      @barrydwernychuk3902 Před 4 lety +4

      Agreed: limit the fan rpm to 4500! I tweaked my unit to max settings of 5000 rpm and 6hz. Noticeably hotter output air temperature with no smoke so good guess on the combustion side. However, the fan motor self-destructed after an hour's total run time, over about 6 start cycles. Huge PITA getting this sorted with the vendor and Amazon and had to cancel a boat trip because of no heater, plus massive job getting dead heater out of the boat.

    • @oojimmyflip
      @oojimmyflip Před rokem +1

      have you any ideas on the ideal case temps for the 2kw heaters Please? im running mine at 2.0Hz with one red bar on the lcd controller screen but the core is only acheiving around 107 degrees C and the exhaust silencer seems cold to the touch even though the exhaust pipe itself is insulated.

  • @scotnorth
    @scotnorth Před rokem +1

    Great videos on the Diesel heaters David keep them coming Would really like to see a video for a 2kw Fan speeds and fuel feed rates Regards Ronnie

  • @coldtrader4737
    @coldtrader4737 Před 4 lety +5

    Those gauges are expensive ! Thanks for saving us the cost of buying one . Brilliant stuff

  • @HavingWandered
    @HavingWandered Před 2 lety

    This is great info. I got the dial controller to save myself from going down rabbit holes ;-)

  • @yajawstin
    @yajawstin Před 3 lety

    Love your video 🤣 I've been tuning by my fuel air mix with a little needle valve and bypass fuel pipe 😆 did the job!!! I used the farty noise as audible tuning limit and runs great now! I've got completely different display with round pin connector and rf remote but no instructions!

  • @tonythorrington3740
    @tonythorrington3740 Před 4 lety +29

    I have been fitting these of various quality for a couple of years and I have 2 myself ( loving your videos by the way ) I have the one in my work van set to 1.7hz low 5.2hz on high (pump)the fan speeds are 1900low and 4410 on high I have stripped the unit out once to have a look at the soot build up and was amazed at how little there was after a year and a half about half a teaspoon of that much !!!
    The workshop one i have set to 2.5hz low and 5hz high / fan on 1900 low and 4300high ( seems to run hotter but I need it as no insulation ) also both units are the 5/ 8 KW ones
    I hope this may be some kind of help or to build up some info keep up all the brilliant content

  • @hillonwheels8838
    @hillonwheels8838 Před 4 lety +1

    This video is just perfect timing. I just got a brand new 5kw heater and it keeps over temping e-05 code and has a constant little bit of white smoke coming out of exhaust. I have checked the intake and exhaust for combustion for anything being stuck and same with the vent. Now I have a better idea of how to adjust the settings to get mine to work.

  • @TOMAS-lh4er
    @TOMAS-lh4er Před 4 lety +1

    YOU ALLWAYS crack me up !! thanks !!

  • @tyroncalta
    @tyroncalta Před 3 lety +2

    You had me at "Focus you fack!" Great content!!!

  • @wouldliketosleep.2845
    @wouldliketosleep.2845 Před rokem +1

    Hellooooooo . I bought the 5 kw all in one . It is the taller one and hope it works as well as what they say . I havn't tried it as of yet . I am hooking it up to a Deep cycle marine battery . Battery was actully more then the heater . Thanks for sharing the knowledge with them . Take care . Cheers .

  • @derektodd4126
    @derektodd4126 Před 4 lety +2

    Safety say you are the UK expert on this subject now. Best wishes from Northern Ireland.

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety

      You actually have a lot of experts over there who actually know a lot more about heater tuning that David Mcluckie. Join the chinese diesel heaters on Facebook. Theres a lot of us over there :). I am canadian not from the UK but there is definitely some people in the UK who know more than myself

  • @corvairkid17
    @corvairkid17 Před 2 lety +1

    2hz sounded like a grandfather clock next to a roaring wood stove.
    I liked it.

    • @mark6205
      @mark6205 Před rokem

      that noise is from the flame going out then restarting...(small contained explosions[the pops] - not good for the seals)

  • @timp8711
    @timp8711 Před 4 lety +23

    "Focus, you fuck!" Love the AvE reference.

  • @martprice7726
    @martprice7726 Před 3 lety +2

    Yes please do more we love experiments👏👍😷

  • @Simon_Rafferty
    @Simon_Rafferty Před rokem +9

    I went through a similar process, using a wide band Lambda sensor, connected to the Arduino (ESP32) that was controlling the heater - trying to make it run closed loop (auto adjusting the AF Ratio).
    What I found however was that immediately after a fuel pulse is injected into the heater, it runs rich, leaning off towards the next pulse. Somewhere in the middle it (should) get to 14.7. You can kind of see this on your meter with the value dancing around.
    I assumed that if I averaged the O2 reading over the time between fuel pump pulses, and drove the average towards 14.7 it would be about right. Unfortunately, this resulted in gouts of smoke from the exhaust.
    The profile of the burn (from the O2 readings) was non linear. It also varied with - well, everything! Fuel pump speed, fan speed, heater temperature, ambient air temperature, day of the week..... Using a simple average didn't work. Nor did any of the other algorithms I tried.
    After a week or so of experimentation, I found the results were no better than tuning it by eye for minimum smoke! I gave up on the Lambda sensor idea!

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před rokem +3

      The only other though I had was to make the exhaust gas fill a larger volume to try and average out the spikes. I was trying to imagine how a car ECU would do it. Would we also need to add a MAF to measure the air intake volume and have it do the maths based off of air quantity coming in, fuel required to burn stoichiometrically, and then use the lambda sensor for error correction?
      I can see this becoming a very complicated way of controlling a simple heater. But boy you could get it to be efficient. :)
      Stage one would be getting a useful and reliable reading from the lambda sensor.

    • @Simon_Rafferty
      @Simon_Rafferty Před rokem +1

      @@DavidMcLuckie There has got to be a solution! Not sure a MAF would give you much more than the fan speed, though I guess it would account for air pressure & temperature.
      I think I was concentrating too hard on getting a perfect 14.7 ratio, rather than looking at what average value coresponds to it running nicely.
      I like your approach of using a CO meter (in a different video). I wonder if that might be a better metric to tune it by, automatically?

  • @rednecktek2873
    @rednecktek2873 Před 4 lety +15

    Please do the smaller unit too, I really need to tune mine. :/

  • @SirJJames
    @SirJJames Před 4 lety +2

    That sound at 15 mins sounded like a pulse jet engine. Could it be caused by the long tube between the heater and the silencer?

  • @brianhalliwell2628
    @brianhalliwell2628 Před 3 lety +5

    i would note that the default setting getting you a a/f ratio of that 16 .1 would actually be preferred if it was automotive, a small amount of unburned oxygen and much reduced chance of co and coking

  • @dr_jaymz
    @dr_jaymz Před rokem +2

    I found this very interesting, its an oldish video but here are many tinkering this year. I think though that the unit should be run much leaner than the Oxygen sensor would suggest. If you were injecting into a cylinder you want all the fuel to burn with all the air then 15:1 is what we're after. But if its a flame in a wind tunnel then there is going to be a lot of excess oxygen and so you'll struggle to get near 15:1, and the only way you will is by burning it downstream like in the exhaust. I am not surprised it smokes. On a more recent video you cut the combustion chamber open, and that showed a Bunsen burner blue flame which shows its pretty close to ideal, too lean and it will struggle to stay lit or will be in patches and if its yellow its too rich and that will deposit soot. So for reasons I can't really back up, I think that it will work best much leaner

  • @mattg5924
    @mattg5924 Před 4 lety +2

    I've tried to set mine before with a oil burner gauge think it has a profile built-in, temperature and humidity will change the profile. Setting's are for temperature running like a PLC. Best results at 3.4 hz or lower nothing under 2.

  • @MittyNuke1
    @MittyNuke1 Před 2 lety

    I wonder if the afterburner controller could use the AFR gauge as an analog input to automatically adjust the hz once the heater is up to temp 🤔

  • @dougferguson5581
    @dougferguson5581 Před 2 lety

    Hi is it best to start my Planar 8DM on high. For a few minutes then turn it down to burn off the build up inside ? And how do I check the hertz from my pump? It burps and facts a bit some nights. Wondering if that's the diesel air ratio .

  • @campervancreations7656

    Excellent video, have a 5kw on order for my camper build, just waiting on Delivery. I work on diesel/Kerosene heaters as part of day job, very hard to hear the noise on low Hz and pump speed but is it a high speed pulsed combustion, if so, your making a fuel/air bomb motor.ie. scram jet. Possibly getting pulsed fuel detonation rather than a clean burn. It's probably going to take a while as air/fuel sweetspot will lead to many new swear words being invented and some you though you'd forgotten.

  • @pomzmetaldetecting1618

    Very interesting 👍

  • @garyclough7115
    @garyclough7115 Před 2 lety

    Hi David. Could you advise what the best settings are for a 5kw. ie min and max hz for fuel and min and max for rpm. Thanks

  • @cdaxfiles6435
    @cdaxfiles6435 Před 3 lety

    Lmao. Sounds like it was about to launch. Might make a good Pulsejet LOL :) Good interesting video.

  • @GaryMcKinnonUFO
    @GaryMcKinnonUFO Před rokem

    Very cool indeed.

  • @ContentCentral1
    @ContentCentral1 Před rokem

    Any chance of you testing a little forced induction with a small 12v fan and that bigger 65ml pump?

  • @oojimmyflip
    @oojimmyflip Před rokem

    our 5kw in a case arrived with Low 1.2 Hz fan speed 1680 and High 5.5 Hz fan speed 4500. it seems to run ok like this without any strange exhaust noises, however our 2kw makes that noise when you drop the low setting to 0.9 Hz from the standard 1.2 Hz with the fan speed at 1400 the lowest it will go. at this setting it blows dense black smoke.

  • @VANFLIPPINGTASTIC
    @VANFLIPPINGTASTIC Před 3 lety

    my controler starts with the message p12v and i cant get rid .. any ideas. and when i turn up or down the temp it come up with h-1 to h-6.. h-6 been the hotest and fastest

  • @coachk7674
    @coachk7674 Před 2 lety +1

    I’ve purchased 6 diesel heaters from 4 different sellers 5 of them have failed within 30 days. Trying to read and comprehend the Chinese manual might as well listen to the coyotes howl thank you for your video

  • @stephnog
    @stephnog Před rokem

    Hi David i follow your videos to a tee mate & keep up the good work buddy, extremely easy & informative the way you explain stuff.. I've got a wee mission for you shud you choose to accept it......😂😂.. i have one of the new Maxpeedingrods all in one heaters but thinking it's running a bitty rich as its using quite a bit of diesel...Ate they tunable.. & could you could do a video on tuning the buggers.... thanks in advance pal... Stevie fae Ayrshire

  • @richardfearn2723
    @richardfearn2723 Před 4 lety

    Nice info

  • @Gumis2323
    @Gumis2323 Před 2 lety

    Witam. Bardzo proszę o pomoc. Mam piec 8kW. Mój syn w ustawieniach serwisowych poprzestawiał, częstotliwość i obroty wentylatora. Ja starałem się poustawiać coś ale szczerze mówiąc nie mam pojęcia co i jak ma być. Usterka polega na tym że: piec zdemontuję wyczyszczę komorę spalania, uruchomię. Po max 2h piec się wyłączy i nie da się już uruchomić. Po kolejnych próbach wywala mi błędy E08,E10 i straszny biały dym z rury wydechowej. Komora spalania jest całkowicie zapchana sadzą. Dlatego podejrzewam że jest rozregulowany tzn. źle ustawiona częstotliwość dawkowania pompki i obroty wentylatora. Po czyszczeniu ustawiałem większą częstotliwość i mniejszą a efekt ten sam zapchana sadzą komora spalania. Bardzo proszę o pomoc.
    Dziękuję i pozdrawiam Wojtek

  • @Nerd3927
    @Nerd3927 Před rokem

    My biggest concern is soot at low settings. I just disassembled my clogged up heater. I will try a higher minimum rpm next time.

  • @TheSdheights
    @TheSdheights Před 2 lety +6

    I've collect imperfect data from various sources, including the comments from this video and my setup, which works fine. The average tuning parameters show a general trend of LOW: 1Hz @ 1000 rpm. HIGH: 5Hz @ 5000 rpm. Draw a line on graph paper and then chose your desired upper and lower points based on the limits of your specific heater. My setup is 1.4Hz @ 1500rpm and 3.5Hz @ 3500 rpm. So far so good as it's oversized for the space and I've turned the upper limits down.

    • @oojimmyflip
      @oojimmyflip Před rokem +1

      at which Hz setting do you tick over at when up to temperature and what is the core temperature at full chat with your lower settings please? Im asking for shutdown and startup temperature reasons, thanks. your revised high setting is similar to that of a 2kw heater so im wondering if the burn chamber reaches a similar core temperature to that of the 2kw heater, if the ecu's are the same and the controllers are the same im guessing it must be around 120 degrees C at full chat I am also wondering if the sixe of the burn chamber makes a marked difference in the core temperature. if the highest setting on the 2kw is 3.1 Hz and the electronics are the same it is fairly reasonable to assume that the 5kw will stay clean shutting down at only 3.5 Hz if the core temperature is high enough, this could greatly reduce wear and tear on the internal componants like the motor and bearings. I am about to install a 5kw outside a caravan heating outside air and these settings you use may be very helpful to reduce fuel consumption and over heating inside the caravan. I shall test run it tommorrow with your settings.

  • @philwalton1009
    @philwalton1009 Před 2 lety +1

    Had to strip my new 5kw just after 5 days as it was absolutely caked up inside. Just on factory settings. If its sooting up that quick what recommendations does anyone have for me to reduce this in the advanced settings, is it sooting up quick because its overfueling.

  • @ZerHour
    @ZerHour Před 8 měsíci

    Hi David , I get that humming noise but mine is the controller that you can not adjust settings , any idea what causes the humming ,new burner fitted all cleaned out but still hums especially when warming up , is it to much fuel or to little that makes the hum ?

  • @kevinmcdermott3668
    @kevinmcdermott3668 Před rokem

    Hello there , I wonder if you have came across fault E07 Disconnection fault, I have just installed a new 5kw diesel heater & this fault has came up on the control panel & I am finding it very hard to get rid of it , My manual I got with the heater tells me it's the communication line or plug between the switch and the controller is open or falsely connected . I have undone all plugs & sprayed some WD40 & made sure they click back together but I am still getting the same fault .

  • @randydicotti3975
    @randydicotti3975 Před 3 lety

    Your results make me wonder if a slightly higher pump volume might help with your particular heater? 28mL ??

  • @philcross7315
    @philcross7315 Před 4 lety +1

    For what it's worth, when I was truck driving, that noise it's making is the same as the thousands of them I heard running sweet. Go to any truck park in the winter, you'll hear them ticking over the same.

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +2

      That low speed resonance was not a good burn. When you hear that sound the mixture is off or the heater is sooting up inside. But I think he was too lean

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +3

      Most everyone tunes a diese heaterl by the carbon monoxide.

    • @philcross7315
      @philcross7315 Před 4 lety

      Just an observation really. Obviously, with the correct test gear, it could be set up perfectly, but that noise wasn't unusual. I should say though, that it wasn't a pulsing noise.

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +1

      @@philcross7315 it's not unusual.. but you will hear a perfect burn. Think of it as a torch. If it's doing the pulsating it's not burning proper

  • @viscous3936
    @viscous3936 Před 6 měsíci

    Can you please explain the PF (pump frequency) setting along with the magnet 51 or 52 settings? Im very confused on how this part works and my heater wont run high rpm.

  • @888johnmac
    @888johnmac Před 4 lety

    tuning a diesel is easy .. no smoke = no poke .. oh hang on a min, but in all seriousness this is really interesting, thanks David

  • @YankeeCherokee
    @YankeeCherokee Před 4 lety +1

    All for the ratio for the smaller one! It's the more popular and would be curious to see if it behaves like the bigger one.

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +2

      The 2kw(d2) does not behave like the bigger (d4) its tuning is not as forgiving. It's a fine line and they like to soot up. They give us the most issues over on the forums.

  • @garyreed354
    @garyreed354 Před 3 lety

    The noise is only when it starts up when there's too much fuel and it goes away and probably will run fine once it warms up it only happens sometimes not broken

  • @rumjar1986
    @rumjar1986 Před 3 lety

    hey david. just wondering have you ever come across a different controller that looks like these digital ones? mine looks the same but to prime is the tow arrows, um and it has a weird "plateu hypoxia" setting... not sure what that is and i can't find any info or explanation on the net. just seeing if you've ever come accross them.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      Is it the one with the settings button in the top left corner and the OK button on the top right? That settings sounds like the 'high altitude setting', which alters the air fuel ratio for thin high up air.

  • @craftbrewer5401
    @craftbrewer5401 Před 4 lety +1

    I have the 22 ml pump. Fan rpm 1600 - 5000. Pump 1.6 -8.0. I am at 16 m above sea level. No black smoke.

  • @ianaristotlethompson4186

    Not that scientific but I measured the flame chamber temp, runs between 155c and 165c on base settings no smoke no noise. Great video by the way. If you want hotter or cleaner burn maybe add a little petrol to the diesel.

  • @caseyrayman2364
    @caseyrayman2364 Před 2 lety +5

    I didn’t hear you mention it in the video but those gauges actually measure lambda and convert that to AFR. So if that gauge is setup for gasoline(most are by default) then stoichiometric(lambda=1) is 14.7. Even though diesel is 14.5:1 you still want to see 14.7:1 on the gauge if it’s set for gasoline. So you may be just slightly richer than you thought.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 2 lety

      Excellent point. One day I want to revisit with a better exhaust setup.

  • @tiagoferreira3962
    @tiagoferreira3962 Před 3 lety

    Hello friend, can you help me? I have a problem, my 8kw heater is too much for my small trailer camp, and at least it is very hot. Can you help me tweak the settings to lower the power to the minimum possible? Thanks!!!

  • @mariuszsliwinski887
    @mariuszsliwinski887 Před 3 lety

    only have a start time and no stop time in the timer. Is that correct. And i can set the time tot 99.99 ?????

  • @troutstag
    @troutstag Před 4 lety +13

    Change your password. The last function in the setting is change password. I did mine to 6 - - - so I only had to enter the first digit then hit ok three more times. Works great and saves some swearing. The newer screen allows changes on the fly.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety +3

      Brilliant suggestion.

    • @GatorOverland
      @GatorOverland Před rokem +2

      @troutstag This is fantastic!! ive read a few CDH owners manuals (as best as i could) and haven't come across the procedure for resetting the Admin PIN.. is there a series of buttons to press to reset it? Assuming you type in the 1688 or 9009 code first to access the admin settings and then prompt it to reset some how? @David McLuckie have you figured out the procedure for reset?

  • @andreasarncken8309
    @andreasarncken8309 Před 4 lety +1

    Hello David, thanks for the video, explains a lot. Just bought a 5KW unit to heat a (living -) container, had it on a test-run and it sooted up in about 6-8hrs of mixed operations. Problem is that I am located at 2.850 mts above sea level (9.350ft) and the factory settings are obviously not adequate, although the display surprisingly shows the altitude. I thought that it was maybe self compensating for high altitude... Problem is that the display provided is of a different type (only 3 buttons on the bottom), so I´ll have to figure how to do the adjustments....Would you happen to have any suggestions on which parameters to start with, running on Diesel???

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety +1

      As you're higher up with less air to burn, you'll want to dial back the fuel injected into the heater. May I also recommend a cheap CO test meter.

    • @MittyNuke1
      @MittyNuke1 Před 2 lety

      I was told by someone very familiar with these heaters, that the altitude reading seems to have no impact on the control of the fuel pump, which I agree is strange since they obviously went through the trouble of reading the sensor value. Maybe some day in the future? But yeah you want to dial the fuel back for higher altitude operation.

  • @TheCraftyTech
    @TheCraftyTech Před rokem +2

    1.5 hz / 1450rpm. high is 5.0 hz / 4500 rpm, this is a ssetting i found that works for me,

  • @fisherkieds6282
    @fisherkieds6282 Před 5 měsíci

    I had an issue with my cheap 2kw diesel heater,I put into high altitude mode that slowed the fuel pump and now it works like a champ....I'm at sea level

  • @martinpanks992
    @martinpanks992 Před rokem

    My Vevor 8kw (probably 5kw) heater responds to changes without having to shut the machine down, I'm sure yours will do the same as they are pretty much all from the same place.

  • @stephenspreckley8219
    @stephenspreckley8219 Před rokem

    Faaarkenell!!

  • @MrHugemoth
    @MrHugemoth Před 3 lety

    I really appreciate your videos on the diesel heaters. I recently bought an all in one 5kw unit that has a "plateau" setting for dealing with high altitudes but the manual doesn't say at what altitude it should be activated. It'll be used at 1250 meters. Any ideas?

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      That will depend if it's one of the controllers that actually does anything. Some seem to just be a gimmick and don't actually adjust fueling. I would turn it on and see if it changes anything.

    • @janmessek1826
      @janmessek1826 Před rokem

      keeps the fan at the same speed and slows the pump frequency thus running it leaner. Use over 5000ft or to run the heater at a slower burn rate.

  •  Před 3 lety +2

    Stoichiometric AFR on diesel means it just start to produce soot this is why diesel engines are usually run lean. Diesel tuners like Banks say no less than 17:1 AFR adds the best performance
    IMO the CO meter aided fine tune is more accurate

  • @rakumiev7430
    @rakumiev7430 Před 4 lety

    A very reasonable experiment!
    This is David's specialty,don't you.

  • @marlin854Runner
    @marlin854Runner Před rokem

    Are there any folks setting their heaters at sea level vs high altitude? I’m toying with my settings at 3000’ above msl.

  • @zygielful
    @zygielful Před 3 lety

    Hi David, would 6.8ml flow rate super silent Autoterm Planar pump work with 5kw chinese heater? I have just ordered one and I hope I would find the way to adjust the settings accordingly. Any advice please? Great channel 👏👍👌

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      It will work in the sense that it will connect and pump fuel. But you will need to adjust the fuel settings to match the pump. I'm not sure what their 'flow rate' is measured as.

  • @daan3298
    @daan3298 Před 4 lety +2

    Yes 2KW version please!

  • @moonhead911
    @moonhead911 Před 4 lety

    Hi mate great vedio. Question I have. Do those pink fuel pump dampeners sound deadening things make a difference to the ticking noise many thanks

  • @NoahTheFacts
    @NoahTheFacts Před rokem +1

    Diesel combustion my have a stoichiometric equivalence ratio of 14.4:1, but you’ll find most diesel engines are designed to run very lean. At peak torque, it’s not unusual to run 25:1 to avoid excessive smoke.
    Admittedly, I don’t know enough to apply this compression-ignition to the thermal ignition of a burner.
    I would imagine that a stoichiometric burn would be the most powerful, but not necessarily the cleanest. In the 80’s lean-burn gas engines frequently ran at 18:1 and were efficient (for the time) in terms of fuel/horsepower, if not displacement/horsepower.
    The reality might be, like engines, that efficiency, power and emissions can all be optimized for, but only one at a time.

  • @irishrover63
    @irishrover63 Před 3 lety

    Hi David, I have a 2kw heater and my lowest pulse setting is 1Hz and highest 3Hz. I don't understand why I don't get a full display on heat up. Only getting 2 green, 2 yellow and 1 red segment. Only had the heater installed a few days ago. Any ideas?

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety +1

      3hz is a bit low. Great for CO emissions but not for producing heat.

    • @oojimmyflip
      @oojimmyflip Před rokem

      ​ my 2kw is producing a steady 20 degrees C in my house with one red bar at 2.0 Hz turning it up to 3 Hz at start up easily lights up both red bars. my lowest setting is 0.9 Hz at 1400 rpm and the higest is 3.1 Hz at 4500 rpm. are you heating internal air or outside air? ouiside air in winter may be making it struggle a little. at startup it does take around 15 to 20 mins to reach full temperature. 2 red bars. I tend to set the temperature to 2.5 Hz for startup it will throttle to max 3.1 Hz starting up reach two red bars and throttle back to 2.5 Hz I usually wait for the ambient temp to reach 20 degrees C and drop the setting to 2.0 hz after about ten minutes at 2.5 Hz. then it seems to maintain 20 degrees C at one red bar nicely. sometimes I do think there isnt quite enough heat being produced but witrh my adventures in changing the settings being such a failure and raising carbon monoxide levels, I am a little fearful of trying again.
      David when you tested your Planar 2kw heater you told us the max settings were 3.1 Hz factoy settings are you thinking of a 5kw unit in your answer to the O/P?
      3.0 Hz would be low in a 5kw heater but not in a 2kw heater which seems to flood at settings higer than 3.1 Hz or mine does anyway maybe thats Abbey-Normal.
      This is exactly why I wqould like to see more from you on 2kw heaters please?

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke Před 4 lety +4

    Seeing the frustration of using that controller makes me think how nice it is to be able to tweak settings with a screwdriver, cos computers slow such things down a lot... :S

  • @harryharry8384
    @harryharry8384 Před 4 lety +1

    love the video, you re a tryer lol.
    or you could use a meat thermometer measuring heat output starting by setting low on 0.9 and fan at original 1450.
    take the temperature and adjust only the fan up in increments of 100 checking the temp until you find the point it drops then go back 50 or 100 and that's it for low setting and then you can find you re own way on high setting. By the way I set my heater while its running so I assume you can and it s that clever it speeds up the fan while you set the fuel then settles back down etc...
    suggest you treat yourself to building a lithium battery and demonstrate how they can supply an indicated 12.8v constant voltage for one of the heaters and you open up a whole new avenue of youtube videos for you to advocate them for motorhomes and boats !

  • @randydicotti3975
    @randydicotti3975 Před 3 lety

    For those of you tuning 2kw heaters, there are a number of pumps (volume wise) used on them. I've seen anywhere from 16mL to 18.5mL and even 22mL Oddly, the 18.5mL pump seems to be the perfect compromise, yet is nearly impossible to find.

    • @dansmith6990
      @dansmith6990 Před 3 lety +1

      what makes the 18.5 better than the 16 or 22?

    • @tonystacey3347
      @tonystacey3347 Před 2 lety

      Do the controllers like the one in the vid come with same settings on the 2kw.
      I knacked one on my van and swapped it out with one from a redundant 5kw all in one and it’s smoked/clogged up fairly quickly .
      Any ideas anyone?

  • @sebxj25vm
    @sebxj25vm Před 3 lety +5

    There do seem to be differences in build quality of these heaters. I have a 5KW heater I bought circa September 2020, and the fan runs really smooth at 1500 RPM. Also, another way to achieve an approximate good fuel mix seems to be to set your fan speed to the target you want (in my case 1500, for less noise) - and then, after the heater warms up, to adjust the pulse rate until you achieve one single red bar - which in my case is somewhere at 1.7 - 1.8Hz for 1500 RPM. That seems to be a nice even point - hot enough to burn diesel properly, but not too rich. Then again, this setting might need adjusting again as the outside temperature changes. This might not be as precise as measuring the exhaust gasses though.
    Also, I wonder if there are several different firmware versions in the controllers for these heaters. I have an identical looking controller as the one in this video, but I can adjust the target pulse rate on the fly while it is burning, without going into the advanced settings menu. I do have to go in the advanced settings to adjust minimum and maximum pulse rate though.

    • @oojimmyflip
      @oojimmyflip Před rokem +1

      same here for my 2kw heater heating my living room and mounted on the outside wall in a box, only I am heating internal air. the code for the extra functions on my 2 blue controllers is also 9009 Not 1688. the heater ecu's are the old type blue boards with the silver strip running across the board and a coil of copper wire in the top right hand corner with a carbon rod in the centre of the coil one of which I bought from flea-bay with a blue lcd screen and lcd remote and replaced the limited function black controller and ecu I got with the 5kw heater, these older boardss are apparently compatable with all Lcd screens that have the triangle shaped wiring connectors and the Austrailian made advanced controller.

  • @davidj9729
    @davidj9729 Před rokem

    (i do this for a living) o2 at 7.2 is a little high you should shoot for 6.5 as it produces fewer harmful emissions and tends to lend itself better to stability on most burners. some burners like weishaupt or riello can run as low as 3% without making bad gasses

  • @dietmarw
    @dietmarw Před 4 lety +1

    I'd be very interested in a similar test for the 2kW air heater for obvious reasons. Would be happy to help with the purchase of the new controller ;-)

  • @xxbambamxx7261
    @xxbambamxx7261 Před 2 lety

    I have 1.7hrz 1450rpm on the low, 6.5hrz and 4500rpm on the high side..
    There are no soot and no smoke coming out of the heater..
    But this makes the heater hit the max the temp protect before it turns itself down for a few seconds to reach 245°C and stabilize again, so maybe I need to adjust the high fan speed a little more..

  • @dannywilliams6643
    @dannywilliams6643 Před 6 měsíci

    I'm new to these. I have one of the all in one variants. I'm 735 obove sea level. Do i need to tune mine? Ive only hear of people doing this that are above 1000?

  • @justharryjohnson7250
    @justharryjohnson7250 Před 3 lety

    My deisel heater really smells of diesel out of the exhaust. Would i be best to reduce the hz to pump in less deisel ?

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      Yes, if you can smell diesel then it's not burning properly, so I'd try reducing the HZ and see if it gets better.

  • @johncampbell4498
    @johncampbell4498 Před 4 lety

    Can you share the model number of that AEM AFR sensor and controller(i guess the controller is integrated with the gauge).?

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety

      It's the AEM X-Series gauge which uses a Bosch 4.9LSU sensor. Yes, the controller is inside the gauge.

  • @scattkiwiman
    @scattkiwiman Před rokem

    didn't know you could tune these things. good idea to use and AFR gauge. But I guess these are calibrated for 14.7 petrol engines, but sure it will give a good indication. But I wonder what would be economic?. Trying to run as lean as possible without the flame extincting (and loosing less heat through the exhaust ?)

  • @jamesknowlson9278
    @jamesknowlson9278 Před 3 lety

    Hi david great videos and very informative. Ive a query are the fuEl pumps supposed to speed up and down every 30 seconds or is there something wrong with my new unit. Thanks James.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      At fuel power and if you use the heater on Hz mode instead of temperature I can hear the pump speed up and slow down to stay under the overheat temperature.

    • @jamesknowlson9278
      @jamesknowlson9278 Před 3 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckie ah OK, can hear it when 5.5hz as well. Will try in temp settings. Thanks for reply

  • @andrewradford6267
    @andrewradford6267 Před 4 lety +1

    Are lambda's aimed at explosive combustion configuration vs almost low pressure jet turbines continuous burn? My settings are 1hz 1450 and 5hz 4500.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety

      These / This sensor is for downstream in the exhaust. Somewhere between the manifold and the first catalytic converter in an exhaust. In turbo cars you have them ideally 12 - 18 inches after the turbo but as far from the exit of exhaust so they don't get any fresh air to skew the reading. All they want is a flow of gas over them. This sensor will end up in one of the Subarus.

    • @andrewradford6267
      @andrewradford6267 Před 4 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckieWhere did you get this from? Handy thing to have! Very neat welding fyi.

    • @s2oooo
      @s2oooo Před 3 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckie I have one in my Honda S2000 running 22psi on a gen2 gtx3582r 👍👍

  • @andrewbartleman9169
    @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety +1

    Yay some good content for us. Glad to see you looking at tuning. We are pretty good at this stuff over in the Facebook groups. We use carbon monoxide analyzer or combustion analyzers for boilers and furnaces. 7hz!?? You are nuts my friend.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety

      That's a good way to do it as well, those boiler gas analyzers are expensive too. The AFR gauge will end up in one of the Subarus. :)

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckie yeah the people in the groups will buy one of the cheap Amazon gas analyzer and that measure carbon dioxide and monoxide. They work great. Your setting of 7hz is unheard of in the community so I'm interested in seeing what your co ppm is. And that low resonance hum you have is when your mixture is off. Either by a sooted heater that is not atomizing the fuel properly. But I think its because the top of your fuel map is way up at 7hz. People that try to start them at 8hz cant even get them to light. Also you can adjust while it's running by the way :). I posted you video on our groups page.

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety +1

      Have you got a link to one of the analysers you use, I think an AFR to CO comparison would be interesting.

  • @mannyfragoza9652
    @mannyfragoza9652 Před 2 lety

    my heater makes that rumbling noise on start up.Its coming from the Air intake filter only lasts a few seconds

  • @Bennytet
    @Bennytet Před rokem +1

    Thank you for posting. On my 5kw heater the high setting is at 5000rpm and 7Hz
    The low setting is 1500rpm and 1.0Hz. I would love to know how efficiently the low setting is because this is where the heater mostly runs. Thank you

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před rokem +2

      That's when you need to CO meter to see how well your heater setup is working.

  • @nv400adventurer13
    @nv400adventurer13 Před 4 lety +7

    Please do the smaller unit. As a fellow Scotsman I'd love to have mine set up so I'm not listening to it and wondering if I'm wasting money. 🤣

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety

      You can buy a cheap gas analyzer for around 25$ Canadian. So "cheap as chips" . And do your own heater. We have had people test their heater and tune them clean as they possibly can. And some others will come and use those settings and have their heater soot up in hours. Not all heaters are the same... even from the same supplier we found. And they definitely don't ship with good tunes either. Now there is some makes that spend the time tuning their heaters. And they also use the kyocera glow plugs and sensors with all good quality parts for quite cheap. Their name is Tian river. Or you can add me on Facebook I can send you the link

    • @andrewbartleman9169
      @andrewbartleman9169 Před 4 lety

      There heaters are running great from the factory.

  • @ultravoxa
    @ultravoxa Před 2 lety +10

    I twisted a ball of 5m 0.25mm nichrome wire and placed it in the combustion chamber to expand the heat zone. Fuel vapor burns better as it passes through the high temperature zone. The effect was staggering. The fuel supply had to be restricted as it started to fail due to overheating. An aquarium metal tap had to be installed to limit fuel supply by 50%. Then the output has a 143c airflow at 1.6Hz and with 5l running in 27h in my variant. The fuel burns so well that there is almost no smoke from the exhaust pipe, only weak steam. I suggest you give it a try.

    • @Yankeeprepperasshat
      @Yankeeprepperasshat Před rokem

      Would heating element wire from dead heaters or toasters work? Or what about super coarse stainless scouring pads? Would help resist airflow, which is what you want anyways. But maybe the stainless will break down after a few months and the nichrome wire won’t. Could I use slightly thicker or thinner wire? I was thinking 28 gauge is just a bit thicker and would hold the heat a tiny bit longer. Might help prevent flameouts or interruptions if the air mixture isn’t perfect. Might even be worth replacing the glow plug screen with a homemade sleeve made from ni chrome, since the screen seems to clog up easily

    • @ultravoxa
      @ultravoxa Před rokem

      @@Yankeeprepperasshat Nothing critical here. The wire can be both thicker and thinner just to keep the high temperature. You can do it differently. It is necessary to cut 9-11 notches about 1.5 cm deep at the exit of the combustion chamber and bend them inward while forming the jet vector. A good, stable fuel pump is essential. Then play with the fuel delivery amount using a small tap. Aquarium metallic tap is well.
      In my case, the exhaust port of the combustion chamber is reduced by about a third. On 2.4 hz 5L for 25h Fuel tap open 45%. No smoke, just steam.

    • @Yankeeprepperasshat
      @Yankeeprepperasshat Před rokem +1

      @@ultravoxa I don’t understand the instructions about cutting notches. I really wish I could talk to you somehow or see a picture. How deep in the combustion chamber do you shove the wire? Throughout the entire depth of the chamber? Or at the deep end only, where the fuel ignites? Or are you only capping the open end of the combustion chamber and leaving the rest open, to swirl gasses uninhibited, and the wires are acting like the gas lamp element on the combustion chamber exit? Please be more specific. I’m VERY interested in your mod. Also, why restrict the air when you can just turn your fan speed down? Didn’t you say you were restricting both your fuel and your air? Why not just turn them both down on the controller?

    • @Yankeeprepperasshat
      @Yankeeprepperasshat Před rokem +1

      @@ultravoxa I ended up pulling a bunch of coiled up nichrome wire out of a dead mini-hair dryer, and stretched it out so it’s still a coil, but a lot longer. Probably 25 feet long. I wound it up into a ball and pulled it apart into an elongated but equally dispersed mess and shoved it into the combustion chamber. The back of it is touching the deep end where the glow plug is. The other end is sticking out of the combustion chamber an inch, so it will actually touch the heat sink where the gasses roll around and back towards the exhaust pipe. Is that going to work?

    • @Yankeeprepperasshat
      @Yankeeprepperasshat Před rokem +1

      Oooooh. When you said “cut notches 1.5vm deep and bend them” I thought we were taking about nichrome wire and I couldn’t figure it out. I read your message a hundred times. But I just now resides I think you were describing turning the end of the combustion chamber into a nozzle. Right? Had nothing to do with the nichrome wire. Next time I take it apart to inspect or clean, ill try that. But I’m now getting excellent results with my nichrome and regular settings at H3, as long as I preheat my waste oil. I’m actually pretty happy with my system. Getting as much free hydraulic fluid as I want. Stocking up tomorrow. They have 14 barrels of clean oil waiting for me. Can’t wait to snatch that up. All I’ve been burning was dirty synthetic oil and it’s working great. And I’m told that the hardest stuff to burn..

  • @Guns_N_Gears
    @Guns_N_Gears Před 4 lety

    After seeing the values listed on the pumps, I wonder if the inputs and outputs could be paralleled to double the output, or customize flow more than just controller?
    Example, 22ml x 2 ÷ 44ml

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety

      You could also swap to a larger pump.

    • @Guns_N_Gears
      @Guns_N_Gears Před 4 lety

      @@DavidMcLuckie interesting!!
      Thanks for the reply 👍, and the awesome 👌 videos!!

  • @jarlare2826
    @jarlare2826 Před 4 lety +1

    It would be interesting to see if vegetable oil would burn if you change the air/fuel ratio. The stoichiometric ratio for veg oil is 13:1, so even lower than diesel. Additionally that would mean less air that the glow plug would need to heat up, so it should get warmer.
    Is it possible to run the glow plug longer?
    Keep up the good work!

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 4 lety +5

      The problem with veg oil isn't AFR or energy density. It's viscosity. Veg oil will burn, but you need to pre heat before it enters the burn chamber. On these heaters the glow plug isn't heating air. It's heating the fuel to the point it vaporizes and ignites.

  • @ZerHour
    @ZerHour Před 8 měsíci

    Update : re my previous post about humming noise , found the problem air intake pipe was insufficient either deformed or to much restriction ,replaced with new pipe now no humming at all ,pretty amazing how slight restriction /bends in the pipe can effect it

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Well done. Same goes for exhaust. That's why one persons settings might not work for someone else. Every bend is a restriction and alters how the heater runs.

    • @ZerHour
      @ZerHour Před 7 měsíci

      @@DavidMcLuckieGreat stuff David , one thing I have noticed is listening to the pump ,set on full the HZ (ticking rate )seems to vary on the HZ the tick tick goes faster for a few seconds then slower for 5 secs then faster is this normal ? There's a fair bit of difference in HZ I thought the pumps stayed at a certain HZ dependant on the control setting

  • @ianharvey868
    @ianharvey868 Před 4 lety

    P. 0.8, 1500rpm, 5000rpm, 12v is my settings for 8kw size standard pump

  • @cliffordjava4658
    @cliffordjava4658 Před 3 lety

    Great vid. I have a question. How can I adjust the screen's brightness, if possible? Thx

    • @DavidMcLuckie
      @DavidMcLuckie  Před 3 lety

      I'm not sure you can.

    • @CadburysMan1
      @CadburysMan1 Před 3 lety

      You can do this by adding another led to the control panel and an inline resistor soldered on the positive side. theres a video on youtube dude

  • @englishrupe01
    @englishrupe01 Před rokem

    The reason that it's not easy to calculate those Hz numbers from 1 or 2 readings is, i think, that it is on a logarithmic scale and NOT a linear scale.....so very difficult to calculate/extrapolate. Excellent video, though, thanks.....very funny whilst being extremely informative.

  • @KonKrom
    @KonKrom Před 9 měsíci

    The moment he start to swear i clicked like button.

  • @Diesel8290
    @Diesel8290 Před 2 lety

    Anyone know how to put old style panel in new style heater, so I can change air fuel ratios

  • @garethwilson3138
    @garethwilson3138 Před rokem

    I have the 3 button controller and I can't get into my settings and it's not running right