Solving Monaco's overtaking problems (kinda)
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- The Monaco Grand Prix is the crown jewel in the Formula 1 calendar, but has an enormous capacity for rubbish races thanks to the lack of passing opportunities. Can this be rectified? Could we the people find a solution for Monaco's overtaking problems?
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To put just how bad Monaco is for passing: Daniel Ricciardo lost his MGU-K, losing over 200hp and Vettel still could not pass him for the win in a fully functional Ferrari
And it happened on the lap 28. Vettel could not pass for the remaining 50 laps. Ridiculous.
@@maxwilson3531 Monaco looks way better than Abu Dhabi and it has the best quali
Yeah, but the issue was also in fuel and tire management. The next year (or so), they allow more fuel in cars to avoid managing it while racing, and tires' management seem to be more reliable today. In 2021, I don't think Ricciardo would have been able to defend its first place. But I'm maybe wrong.
Says something about Vettel ....
@@jpq6257 did you even watch the race? no, says much about this stupid track
For as long as I can remember the Monaco Grand Prix on most occasions has been motorsport's 0-0 draw between Burnley and Crystal Palace.
Oh come on, it's not quite that bad? 🤣 Oh alright then, as bad as watching Coventry City in the rain perhaps then 😉
It’s easily the WORSR “track” there is.
If not for the $$$$ it wouldn’t even be on the calendar.
Should be removed for the sake of the sport.
Monaco is a race that I skip every year and have done for nearly 15 years now.
It's not just a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace. It's a 0-0 between Burnley and Crystal Palace, on a Tuesday night, in January, in the League Cup, back when they both used to play in the Fourth Division.
21st november 2021:
Burnley 3-3 Crystal palace
Jokes on u mate
@@rosstaylor1039 This. 😄😄
that last one was pretty epic we gotta give it to them
For real man, I'm dying to see that happen now, I could almost bet that it certainly will eventually in the next 30 years...
That's the same guy who suggested the loop-de-loop last video, isn't he?
It's an actual good idea, like no joke, it could work and it would make it more interesting, i mean seeing hamilton ad verstappen going wheel to wheel on the last lap in that corner would be fucking amazing.
Realistic changes :
Slightly sharpen turn 10: Slightly sharpen the track and remove part of the concrete barrier to widen the track. These changes willi ncrease the chances of overtaking into the chicane. Humans have the ability to do that, right?
Make turns 15-16 faster: Make them faster, kinda like turns 13-14 so that cars can carry more speed into rascasse and perhaps have a chance of diving it up the inside
Make the last corner faster: The reason why the last corner is narrow is because of a literal bus stop and pedestrian walkway. Simply clear the pedestrian walkway and bus stop for the race and make it a flat-out corner so that cars can carry more speed onto the pit straight and have a better chance of overtaking into turn 1. For ease of access, a temporary bridge could be built like those around the track
I was going to suggest some sort of a bridge-based-Motegi-style-figure-eight until I reached the end of the video. But yes. Creating more real estate by either extending Monaco into the sea or building upwards - somehow - are the only options I can see.
We saw in the race, only 1 real overtake and when we saw it the race director said: S T R O L L
Tbh it wasn’t a real overtake because Vettel came out in front of Gasly … the fact he was mich slower and Gasly still couldn’t pass him just clarifies how bad Monaco is for passing
Technically 2, Schumacher did overtake Mazespin at the hairpin...
@@greendude96 sheesh
Three things are guaranteed at Monaco:
You can’t pass anywhere
The best qualifying session of the year
And cars drowning at the swimming pool.
Well, it would have been the best qualifying session of the year, but Leclerc threw himself into the wall at warp speed to stop that one.
@@bingusworshipper The spirit of Michael Schumacher lives on
@@bingusworshipper Imagine actually thinking that 😂😂
@@bingusworshipper no he didnt
@@bingusworshipper why would he crash at that corner then? Of all the corners why would he crash at the exit of the swimming pool chicane
A year later, Alonso played a beauty holding up EVERYONE else.
McLaren Alonso: "GP2 Engine, GP2! Arghhh!"
Alpine Alonso: actually drives at GP2 pace.
the problem isn't that you can't overtake at Monaco, that's its gimmick. The issue is that a lot of tracks seem to have stolen that gimmick.
Exactly
Yep. And places like Sochi don't have the 'challenge' and 'spectacle' excuses either. You'd keep Monaco over at least half a dozen others on the current calendar.
Even if you could tweak the track to squeeze out a bit more overtaking, by nature it's never likely to be enough to meet the standards people expect - the trick is to get them to not feel too bothered about it.
The problem with Monaco today is that the cars don’t need to (and to an extent can’t) push for the whole race. The first stint is all about taking it easy with the tyres.
@@kaptnhansenpresidentjamaic9577 nah the problem is even with a faster car you can't follow for long in Monaco, at other tracks if you stick close enough to the other car for maybe some DRS into a hard braking zone you can get the job done while at Monaco there is no space for that.
Yes, there should be one track in the calendar where it's almost impossible to overtake. Monaco is the best location. We should remove the other boring tracks like Abu Dhabi and Valencia.
I honestly think they should use the Monaco GP weekend in F1 to be the equivalent of an NBA All-Star Weekend, for example.. something with 'special' (and safer) races and challenges/events between the drivers, that would NOT count points for the Championships and it would be just to entertain the fans (and for the drivers and the teams to just interact with each other, literally for fun, without all of that heavy Championship competitive feeling in the air) - simply a festive weekend - pretty much like what they have at Goodwood, but using Monaco (the most 'charming' F1 track) to do it.. I don't know.. I believe that, depending on the different ideas for these 'festive events' on the track during the weekend, it would be a LOT more fun to watch than the actual championship race..
This actually sounds like a good idea. I wouldn't mind seeing some go-cart laps also haha.
Maybe older/recently retired drivers could also join in some events
@@gabrielpalileo3294 Thanks, mate! And yes, the possibilities are infinite! Cheers! =)
You could also do a spec race there and make it worth points for the drivers
Yes Monaco only exists because of that billionaire revenue it makes
NASCAR has all-star races, where they do fun things with cars like underglow, strange paint jobs, weird road course/roval course configurations (bypassing the backstretch chicane at Watkins Glen, for example), and being far more lenient with rules, just to entertain the fans. They aren't worth points in the championship, and are just there for entertainment.
Josh is gonna solve all the tracks overtaking problems
I wish it was that simple. 😆
Though is there anything to improve Sochi? Aside from blowing it up
Not really unless he can sponsor all the track changes and/or resurfacing (RnD, simulation, modeling, environmental analysis)
As an idea yeah it might work. Practically? Maybe.
There's some shady ass people who have disposable income more than you can imagine.
@@ryanmann1416 ( distant chanting) Nuke, nuke, nuke nuke, (its start to get closer and the chanting becomes faster) nukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenukenuke, and thats when you see it, its F1 fans carrying around... what the, they're carrying sochi
Formula e presenters:
you can't overtake there
Drivers: hold my beer
I used to race on tracks that had these Gold coloured ‘?’ Boxes on the road. Eventually swapped them for Rainbow coloured ones. They dropped all sorts of random shit on the track. Used to make things pretty exciting.
Those shrooms really take you on a trip
@@remy7663 Those stars really make you go high af and feel invincible too
@@denverkweh1642 I think formula e with their boost systems was inspired by that track 😂
There is land reclamation planned in Monaco in the next 5 years called Le Portier which is seemingly the best opportunity to change up the track a bit. Pretty much everywhere else is already built on but this new area is a fresh slate of land and could allow for a new area of track between the hairpin and the tunnel. Maybe even allowing for a much longer run into the tunnel, making passing much more possible.
Monaco is just a novelty. It's cool to watch. It is like many races in motorsport where it's more about being there than the pure competition.
When you understand what the hell is going on with racing on 1000hp cars on track where you hasn't enough width to overtake scooter while driving Renault Twingo, it really shifts perspective
@@paveloleynikov4715 speak English
Monaco is all about qualifying.
Qualifying is more entertaining than the race.
If it wasn’t Monaco it would have been off the calendar 10 years ago
Its one of the most boring races to watch of the year
“You can try on the run up the hill... if you got a death wish”
Seb: maybe I do
"You can't overtake at Monoco."
Formula E: "hehehe engines go Skreee."
FE still sounds abysmal :(
*motor
@@yible3278 motors are usually considered electric. Engines are usually considered gas. Not just American dialect it’s the true meaning behind them. A engine is anything powered by fuel or a type of fuel. Motors are anything that draw there power out of something like an electric drill and so on.
@@tamezzodiac2862 fairs, I'll delete my comment because it was false
@@yible3278 Riiiiiiight..... because that's what makes racing fun to watch?? Do you think before you comment?
Monaco is a great track for Formula E, but not necessarily for Formula 1. At least not with the current Formula 1 cars.
maybe with the 2022 cars it'll be better
@@MohammedAhmed-jg2rw no it getting worse...
@@muhammadfirdaus2290 It is..
@@MohammedAhmed-jg2rw It's better, but still not on point.
In fact, it’s illegal for Monaco to be on the calendar because it’s not up to grade 1 spec.
(Falls short of the minimum lap length of 3.5km)
When Josh posts on a weekend, you know it’s gonna be a good weekend.
Technically you could improve the hairpin by removing for the GP the inside pavement. Could allow some switcheroos there.
Alternatively, what about running a reverse lap, with the pitlane used as the race track (moving the pits to the start "straight") ?
Next up Sochi. I’ll get the nukes ready
In Soviet Russia, Sochi nuke you!
Be sure to double up just incase.
Hi, Kimi
first Paul Ricards mate.
But do keep dem nukes ready.
Albert Park is underrated in terms of terrible circuits for racing because nobody wants to shit on Australia.
1) Remove the angled kerb at Ste Devoteso that the edge of the track proper follows the edge of the pit lane.
2) Remove the Nouvelle Chicane and carry on along Avenue JFK rather than along the quayside. (If they could remove the trees between Avenue JFK and the quayside, the whole width of both could be used as the straight here).
3) Reclaim part of the NW corner of the harbour to create a new Tabac connecting Avenue JFK directly to the track in front of the swimming pool.
4) Reverse the stands between the swimming pool exit and Rascasse so that the track runs directly along the water's edge along this stretch.
Changes 2-4 would create a much faster, more flowing second half of the circuit with more passing opportunities.
Are you stealing my ideas? Cause I wrote about this a month ago :) No, we just think the same!
2:54 ready to make ferrari jokes...
**remember that they gets pole position today**
Potentially
@@Cookivirus We'll have to wait until tomorrow to know if Ferrari pole or Ferrari good try but no pole
@@SenkaPress tbh
I'm sorta hoping not
This whole monaco curse thing is funny
@@Cookivirus I also hope Leclerc starts from pole tomorrow. It won't guarantee winning the race, or even finishing it, but I think it's time to see a Ferrari on the podium, with or without a victory.
@@SenkaPress I mean yeah
I just like the drama
Somebody's got to make some sort of procedural track modelling system so we can just plonk these concepts into Assetto Corsa and try them out
I agree though that there's basically no modern/semi-modern racing games with track builders/editors.
I remember vaguely as a child that there used to be a racing game, hell it might've even been a Codemasters title from what I can remember, that had a track builder included.
But we're talking about 90s - 2000s stuff here. Today there's billions of currency in game development and developers can't even make a track builder? Honestly baffles me a bit.
@@ferdievanderwalle7631 i think can be a toca game that have editor of track, toca for ds i think
0:32 _Mitch Evans Laughing_
bro that move was so badass, for real
* force them to pit more times (like 4 or 5 times), makes for interesting strategy battles.
as for how: ultra ultra soft tires ? random forced "rain" (wetting of track) ? 2 mandatory drive through penalties for everyone ?
Ultra soft tires lasting only few laps may be but wetting the track would cause red flag crashes...
Did someone suggest "destroy the Swimming Pool to have back the backstretch?" If not...this is my suggestion.
“Racing cars have a difficult time trying to work whilst submerged in water.”
Me: This must be what they mean when they talk about “flooding”
Use snorkels
0:29 Lord Mahaveer : Hold my beer
Extending the track to the edge of docks and back, is a great idea! I would only add, lengthening the docks section itself a bit (75-100 meters) and slope the 180 Deg. u-turn section with a 60 degrees bank for a high speed extravaganza!!
I rate the ski jump into the water in Sir Lancelot's suggestion
Everyone: The race is decided by the first corner.
Red Bull: Hold my pitstop.
*Ferrari, 2022
more like ferrari hold my strategy
Leclerc today be like:
"Yh, this is big brain time"
then proceeds to S🅱️innala himself to Narnia
No one can make a better time than me if I cut the Q3 beforehand * safe roll *
S🅱️innala to pole
He did a Schumacher 2.0
Rosberg moment
It's all part of the great Ferrari Master Plan™®©
Just pull the chicane after the tunnel and make that straight a DRS zone. Solved! That chicane is stupid
Well, that chicane is there for safety reasons. Go watch old racing footage. Cars just went straight in to the wall or over to the marina.
Then how will they slow down in time for the left hander that follows?
@Nick Zan Those who put fun over safety deserve shit.
@@phantomgaming9771 erm, by applying brakes? I completely agree with removal of the chicane
@@arturseversons3444 remember there never used to be a chicane there in the first place. They added it cause too many people ended up taken a dive into the harbor when flying through the third sector
1:11 me in school fon Google maps doing a lap around Monaco before teacher sees
They need to narrow the cars a bit, when they added 8inches in 2017 overtaking at Monoco tanked as every little bit around here makes a difference.
Cars were 2m wide from 70’s to 1998.
Run the circuit in reverse. Remove nouvelle chicane. That gives a long section from Tabac to Portier through the tunnel with a DRS zone. You also get a faster run downhill from Masanet to Sainte Devote with overtaking opportunities.
Interesting idea though the idea of drs in that tunnel sounds scary 🤣
In reverse but change the current start finish straight for a trip up rue grimaldi and down avenue du port. Yes you loose 2 famous corners but they aren't that interesting and you have a slightly faster section.
Run it in reverse and make them run along the Portier roundabout for more opportunities. However I would be afraid of Ste Devote downhill left hander, and Anthony Noghes & Rascasse would need a huge revamp and widening.
Joker laps at Monaco would be absolutely brilliant.
Race for 60 mins, and at the end of the race whoever has the best lap time wins it.
Less worrying abt overtakes.
So basically old qualifying?
so another quali?
What about when the cars in front purposely slow down everyone behind?
The best solution is to make the straight longer before the tunnel. That can be done if the cars go around the park after the hairpin.
I need a series of solving problems of tracks
1. Remove the neuvelle chicane and the one near the swimming pool to give a long passing zone starting in the tunnel.
2. Go off down some other streets, lengthening the circuit and finding some overtaking zones in the process.
3. Tell them they'll have to pay as much as Abu Dhabi does to hold a race next year. (Problem solved, no race next year.)
4. Contract is up, so go open up large chunks of the Old Hockenheim & let's watch these guys go full on Lumberjack in the woods!
you cant pass here
Mazepin: Are you challenging me?
Somebody must give Mazeswim a boat just in case he lands in the sea or swimming pool...
Yes. We're challenging him to find a way to respect the hecking blue flags.
*Mazepin gets passed by Schumacher in the race*
These changes can be done to make it interesting!!!
1.Make the exit out of turn 8 go out in the sea towards the left and make a hairpin towards the tunnel. This sea straight will stretch and merge to the middle of the tunnel and not its mouth (cutting atleast the first 100ft.of the tunnel )creating a straight..
2. By doing that you essentially make the tunnel and the extended sea section a long straight , add DRS to this....
3.Remove or make the turn 10 chicane less 'chicany', or widen the damn road for a 'brake pass' chance....
Here's an idea:
1996's edition of the Monaco GP is highly regarded because the track was wet and only 3 cars made it to the end. The rest all either crashed out or had mechanical problems.
While car reliability has improved, we can still make the race more interesting by dousing the track in water in case rain doesn't show up. They already do this for pre-season testing at Catalunya, so just bring the equipment out to Monaco. Couple that with changing it to a night race and I think there's a recipe for success that's feasible as it doesn't require layout changes.
The issues would of course be getting the FIA on board with wetting the track, making it more dangerous, for the sake of entertainment. That and changing the race start time, which would also put a damper on the whole "Greatest Weekend in Motorsports" with American fans getting the Monaco GP in the morning, the Indy 500 in the afternoon, and the Coca-Cola 600 in the evening.
Nascar really has a race called Coca Cola 600? Crikey 😆
@@taekatanahu635 There are a lot of NASCAR races named in a similar manner to that. They always seem to be the name of a sponsor/the track itself and then the number of miles in the race (pretty sure that's what the numbers mean, but I don't have any evidence to support that.) There's the Daytona 500, the Geico 500, even a Coke Zero Sugar 400... I guess if you're on a diet and the Coca-Cola 600 is too much sugar for you? It's basically NASCAR's "thing," similar to how Formula One has "[insert location] Grand Prix."
I had an idea t osolve the overtaking problem in Monaco: Remove the chicane after the tunnel and put a DRS-Zone from the end of the tunnel to the then new turn 10. DRS-detection-point could be at the beginning of the tunnel...
I thought the same thing and also modify new corner 10 to make it slower and, how can I say it, "more squared".
I think they can widen the track at that point too. There is a lot of road that they can use to expand the width of the track.
Yes, many people have similar idea but the trouble is that there isn't enough runway for the heavy braking zone which it to come after chicane. It will be too dangerous for cars to stop from 300Km/hr without any sort of runway to account for mistakes.
My solution is to have all the drivers use special spec racecars from a past era, i.e. 60s, 70s or detuned 1980s...
What about changing the direction of the race? Making a few ajustments to the positioning of the tec-pro barriers and the pit entry/exit.
There would be a hard breaking point at the end of the tunnel now which could be a option to overtake.
Usually runoff and track design are a problem for switching directions but there isn't much of track-design/runoff in Monaco anyways.
So, looking at the track... why not running it backwards? There should be overtaking opportunities at Rascasse, Nouvelle, Portier and Sainte Devote. A brave move would be at Piscine entrance. Maybe give it a try
Issue is run off areas ;)
@Wind Rose In fact it has but not many - Saint Devote, Chicane, Mirabeau and all of them would be non existent in reversed layout...
The bridge is actually pretty interesting, dunno if it'll actually help make overtaking easier, but it sure looks even more epic than the original.
Ok, thats obvious that Josh is going to do an episode at Le Castellet, Abruh Dhahi and Soči
I'm thinkin what if we did what they suggested in the last one, yes, but also the "move the pit lane to right after the tunnel" bit, with the pit row entrance either in the first left of Nouvelle Chicane or immediately after Nouvelle Chicane.
The Mediterranean See problem has been solved by Mario Kart 8 and Sonic Racing Transformed: Cars just transform to race on / under water. Bam, done. All those suggestions are valid now.
Just add a wall like they did for formula E at the exit of the tunnel. Whenever they were outbraking themselves there isn’t any danger, they can just cut through the chicane and go on. With the wall it will make it critical there will be a lot more action!!
Leclerc on Pole eh damn the battle for P3 in constuctors is heating up
Cite that the track is in breach of the FIA grade 1 requirement of having a minimum lap length of 3.5km, kick it out of the calendar once and for all, and go to the Hockenheimring.
Monaco imo is a blessing to racing as a whole. Absolute focus and precision needed around some of the most beautiful streets in the world... Racing is not just about constant passing. Imagine feeding the car through Massenet and Casino at 100mph and blasting out of that tunnel 78 times in a row...
Cut the novel chicane and have the straight directly go from the tunnel to tabac. All DRS from the turn after the tunnel to tabac.
Then make the turn at tabac a bit tighter to force heavy breaking.
Therr you go you have a decent overtaking opportunity
And that would actually work
How about going around Rond - pooint du Portier clockwise to give a smoother start into the tunnel straight and making it longer.
Instead of the Nouvelle Chicane, continue straight along JFK Avenue (rather than the 1960s jink which was dangerous) and rejoin the current track at route de la piscine - thereby lengthening the current tunnel "straight". Alternatively or additionally, remove (i.e. make removable) all street furniture between JFK and the current quai des etats-unis to make that straight double-width.
This year F1 was all about letting people know that there would be no practice sessions Friday, because of some tradition that dates back to the first races held there. When I heard this, I thought, "So, they're stubbornly adhering to a tradition that no longer holds any modern relevance in an attempt to cling to nostalgia...Yeah, sounds like Monaco."
They can implement an additional faster chicane or just a straight road next to the nouvelle chicane, that drivers that are within 0.5 -1 second of the car in front gets to drive through. Kind of a DRS, just as a faster overtaking road. That way if you have gained enough on the car in front, you get past them when they have to drive the chicane. This will make for a lot of exciting strategy moves close to the end of the race. Also a great way to undercut an opponent by flying through the chicane, and hoping/planning that they wont have an overtake opportunity the lap you are pitting.
I think what I've learned here is that we need more bridge sections like Suzuka.
the title be like:nah you cant pass by pool chicane
Pierre Gasly: Hold my Baguette.
If the film Grand Prix taught me anything is that you cannot overtake in this track
Same as Nurburgring, it's a time trial track. Very boring race yesterday.
Easy way to solve the issue…
Remove Monaco from the calendar.
It’s an AWFUL “race” that is only there because of the $$$$
It needs to be replaced with a track that is designed for actual racing… not a bunch of public roads that get shut once a year…
I see an Old School, original, “The Italian Job” circuit with 20 Mini Coopers.
The idea at 4:00 is the only suggestion that could be feasibly turned into a real solution. If you extend the pier (at the bottom of the picture) far into the water so the straight is both long and wide enough, then put a hairpin at the end to make the cars come back in the other direction too - rejoining the original layout somewhere near Rascasse - you end up with 2 long DRS zones in quick succession. It would certainly solve the overtaking problem, there's more than enough space to build it, and I don't know of any technological obstacles that would make it impossible (see the artificial islands in Dubai). It would cost an insane amount of money of course.
easy fixes:
lower the curb corners 6-8
cut of some of the Barrier at turn 10 making it easier to lunge down the inside
get rid of the curbs at corners 13-16 to make a drafting zone to la rascasse
and on the final corners widen the corner on the right-hand side and pave it over to make it a faster corner till San devote to do some heroics down the inside
The qualifiying was awesome but the race..... well just gonna have to see to find out
Race is awesome if you love F1 cars crashes
"Some of the best drivers in the world" I am glad you made that distinction because we all know there are some drivers who are not the best drivers in the world ***cough*** Mazespin ***cough***
Honestly I think it being so hard to pass there compared to everywhere else makes it kindve that much cooler because when an overtake DOES happen, it’s amazing
Exactly. If we get a lot of overtakes, that's what we expect to happen regularly. If that doesn't happen regularly, we are disappointed. Simply put, lower expectations make simple things more fun.
The initial d reference had me dying lol. Eurobeat goes with any racing 😆
I've been seeing a lot of sentiments to drop Monaco over the past few years, but I don't think people realize that Monaco would've been dropped about a decade ago. People need to realize that Monaco isn't on the calendar purely because of merit, it's on there because of its history and the glam of, "Formula 1 racing on the streets of Monte Carlo." I get that there are many circuits that have more history that is more relevant to motorsports and Formula 1, and perhaps a lot of people think that historical significance and nostalgia shouldn't be the deciding factors as to whether a circuit gets kept. But Monaco is a lot more than that, the allure of F1 racing in Monaco is something that even non-motorsports fans get perked up about. This race has reached almost mythical heights, and most of the drivers really look forward to driving in Monaco. I get that it's a procession, but there is a lot that can be appreciated about Monaco. I for one sorely missed it when it got canceled last year.
NFS Shift 2 had a track leaving Monaco, entering the French part of Monte Carlo by not turning right for loews, but turning left to reach a fast stretch of a road which then enters back into Monaco around where the final corner is.
Monaco is on the calendar due to its heritage - I can't imagine it being removed but I also can't imagine it being added as a new track in the 21st century.
Imagine if some other costal city with 19th century streets wanted to host a race?
And half the drivers/sponsors/owners have a yacht there, or an apartment or both.
I came here to know how to solve that problem of my favourite circuit, and I ended up laughing so loud!!!!
Here's my plan : Monaco is awesome for qualification, so *ALL* qualification is done there. Teams should have quali-ready car permanently at Monaco and for every race, regardless where it is in the world, teams fly to Monaco, qualify, and the driver with the biggest Monaco qualification testicles (MQTs) gets pole in whatever race is next on the calendar.
I actually unironically love this idea, despite the fact that it would be logistically impossible
That one where they put the track into the sticking out bit had a lot of merit. Just slap a hairpin there a chicane at the end of the point where it meets back with the normal track to skow it down after people got their overtaking opportuniies on the long straights.
"There's a problem with overtaking in this circuit"
Meanwhile Lewis:
"WTF just happened, I've lost two places"
Not words that he's used to saying
Here’s an unorthodox but interesting take: take Monaco out of the traditional calendar, have it as a pure sprint weekend. A bonus race if you will. 8 points to the winner and so on or however you want to go about it. You have your standard free practices, however, quali doesn’t determine your grid position, rather it determines which 10 cars enter Sundays sprint. Here’s the kicker, Sundays sprint would be quali rules. No start position, no 20 cars barrelling into turn 1, send your car out any time in the time period, fastest lap at the end wins. It keeps Monaco in the calendar while making it more exciting than 72 formation laps of a sunday
Tommo F1 is crying rn. His suggestion from his 7 worst tracks fixed video was actually good, and didnt ruin a corner on straight everyone loves and we couldnt live without. You done goofed up
Remove the clumsy Nouvelle chicane and move it down the road to "le route de la piscine" . enable DRS after the mid section of the tunnel, after the "turn" is completed.
Doesn't add another passing point, just gives the only real one some more potential. Extends the braking zone, adds some DRS, removes the second part of the chicane that makes it so much more difficult to complete the pass.
Marc Surer said they should drive the circuit counter clockwise, so you have a real chicane after the tunnel which will have a safetyzone/runnoff (you can already drive straight) and there is space to make the corner wider. Thats in my opinion the best idea.
Instead of right at Rascasse, turn left along the quay, go to the end add a hairpin, then back along Avenue de Quarrataine, which gives you a straight, a slow corner (hairpin), a new pretty long DRS straight which flows into the main straight, then make the corner at the end of the pit straight a more acute angle (slower).
I'm surprised nobody came up with this, but they could just move the Nouvelle chicane 200m down the road with no issues. Put a DRS zone after the tunnel bend; at the nouvelle chicane cars would just go straight (following the old FE layout in reverse); 200m later, before the road starts going uphill, you could put a new chicane, rejoining the current track
If they felt really brave they could follow Avenue Kennedy until Tabac gaining another 60m of straight, but then they'd have to deal with a 2m drop from there to the rest of the track. Difficult, not impossible either
I never thought I'd say this, but Monaco is a great example of "Just one more lane, bro!".
Quali in Monaco is Amazing. So make it longer. Add a Q4 top 5 shootout.
And since the race is boring, make it shorter with 2 mandatory pit stops. Also, everyone must use 3 different kinds of tyre compounds.
Edit: you could also award points for quali and give fewer points for the race.
Race with formula E cars. The 2021 FE race is one of the best races I've seen on a street-track. I don't actually want F1 to do this but the FE race showed it's only the cars that is the problem.
If we are talking track changes and this is my honest suggestion, I don’t car how difficult it is to do it’s about saving the Monaco GP
The exit of the tunnel should veer slightly left, DRS zone opens from just after the bend in the tunnel (detection zone in portier)
It would require a relatively big harbour restructure (a few hundred metres) and surface changes (you mentioned the dip on the left side of nouvelle chicane, Just raise it a little so it’s flat, No dip)
You add a right left chicane (think Monza turn 1 & 2) and this means cars following in the tunnel can shape for a move and potentially make a move into that turn, The purpose of the chicane is to slow the action down a little before the swimming pool section and not have 2 cars side by side through there, Destined to crash
The harbour restructure would inconvenience the billionaires a little but I’m sure they wouldn’t mind a few months job if it meant front row seats to Monaco overtaking opportunity
Monaco contract goes till 2025 if I’m not mistaken, 2 years to get a proper track plan in place, OK it with the relevant people (FIA, ACM, Residents etc) and then get it done before regs change in 2026 season
OK. Been think about this a lot since the weekend. There is actually a technical solution readily available, but the residents - and some super yacht owners - may not like it. In summary - once the cars come down the hill out of the tunnel instead of negotiating the chicane they go straight on down the Avenue JF Kennedy. The row of trees, median strip and barriers you can see separating the Ave JFK from the Quai des Etats-Unis (where the cars actually travel along from Novelle to Tabac presently) are removed creating a very wide tarmac apron so that cars can overtake under a new breaking zone and chicane - constructed on a slightly larger structure encroachment into the harbour than the Nouvelle pier - at about 80-120M away from the current Tabac apex. Enough of an apron so that drivers couldn’t simply cut the corner to block an overtaking manoeuvre under brakes. Add in a DRS from just before the exit of the tunnel and behold - a genuine racing track with an actual overtaking section. The Ave JFK heads up the hill at this point - so there is a good run off area and there is enough room too put in a gravel trap so that out of control cars don’t simply smash head on into the barrier that would still divide JFK as it heads up the hill and the circuit as it approaches Tabac. After the race (and for the rest of the year) trees in very large pots could replace the trees that are removed for the race. So that area of the harbour waterfront wouldn’t be degraded ascetically.
Introduce a "wildcard" penalty randomly given to some teams in the pits. Like, for example, when a driver comes into the pits it triggers a penalty lottery such as "stop will take 10 extra seconds" to simulate what happened to Ricciardo a few years back, or "one of the hydraulic wheel guns doesn't work" to simulate what happened to Bottas yesterday. Things like that are the few things that can actually result in a position changes in Monaco.
I think I found a potential improvement. Skipping the Casino. Instead of making a right hand turn in front of the casino stay straight keeping all that speed to the next block. Then take a right down to the next roundabout. Take a right some esses come back the casino and continue the rest of the course. To make this happen you would have to make that first rd wider as it is a one car road. However, the good news is that it is a park on both sides so it could be done without destroying any buildings. Thus creating a passing zone by creating about 160M more straightaway on a already fast part of a track and about 560m more distance per lap
The DRS zone, the 1st driver is always inside so its not possible to overtake, because its curved SOOO straighting the DRS zone would be a good change
1. Make like an ERS zone where only following cars can deploy theirs.
2. Make the track super hard on tires so there’s lots of pits and strategy
I think ! If you take of turn ''10 - 11'' ''Nouvelle Chicane'' and make that into a strait line and then make turn 12 ''Tabac'' into a 90 degrees corner, and we also need at the exit of the tunnel a new DRS zone 😁 We could probably see some overtakes down there.
Alternative: Every year the cars have to be modelled like the F1 cars from the 1950s - 1970s, and they would just do a round robin through each retro year of F1 designs. Each year, the cars would be modelled differently to the previous year, but it means they would always be small, light and capture the magic of the golden ages of the Monaco Grand Prix.
Other options: Race going the opposite way round the track, make the track wider, mandate that cars have to be the same except smaller and lighter or build a whole extra wide brige section with DRS enabled that goes out into the harbour, then back in again and rejoins the track just before the tunnel section
Don't remember who came up with the Idea originally, but a couple days ago someone suggested - how about reversing track direction? The Runoff exits are there and you can maybe create possible overtaking possibilities with a differnt novelle chicane and at the now more straight tunnel exit? Maybe?
tunnel idea is epic, i wanna see left side of tunnel extended to look like nascar track, because i think that exiting tunnel totally upside down would be rly dangerous xD
My idea is to run the race in reverse. Widen the now T1 to fit more cars in, DRS detect zone at the swimming pool chicane, remove the chicane before the tunnel, and make that long straight into a DRS zone. Also, remove the chicane and pit lane at the would be last corner to let cars have more room and speed (also make the straight before the last corner a DRS zone. Start/finish straight also stays as a DRS zone).
Also, fix those road imperfections. They're not a feature but a pain.
It's pretty simple to solve if you ask me.
FIRST
As they head up the hill from St. Devote, instead of going up to Casino Square, the swing left on Ave. Princess Alice.
Right at Ave. De costa and onto Boulevard des Moulins.
Loop right down Ave de Madone, and rejoin the current track after the exit of Casino Square before the run down to Mirabeau.
You've just added half a mile of wider track and three overtaking opportunities.
SECOND
Coming down from Lowes, after exiting the right hander, rather than go down under the bridge, passed the front of Rond Portier, and right at Portier... Instead, they can exit the right hander and go left, with a short stab on the throttle before a right, under the bridge, and around the back of Rond Portier. rejoining the track at the current Portier.
It's only a short extension but it provides three differences.
The right hander after Lowes is no longer a right hander it becomes a faster and wider right -left esses,
The longer apex round the back of Rond Portier rather than the current configuration allows more speed to be carried through the corner, plus an additional 100m before the tunnel,
DRS detection zone could be here.
THIRD
Activate DRS at the tunnel exit
Remove the Nouvelle Chicane, have the track run straight down Ave JFK from the tunnel exit down toward a chicane that end of JFK, rejoining Route Piscine just before Tabac.
This provides a better overtaking opportunity than the current chicane.
The downside is that takes away some of the challenge of Tabac, but would improve the overall lap if the FIRST additional section is added in.
That would solve a lot of the problems. It would obviously need a bit of figuring out but it doesn't massively impact the Residents, or emergency access routes.