S8-E25 - Ellen White & the Historians she copied - Harvey Brenneise
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The intention is to control. So much control.
CULTS CONTROL.NO SUCH CONTROL OF ANY ONE EXIST IN THE SDA CHURCH.YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT A CULT IS.
@@c19comandante57 a cult is someone that changes what Jesus Christ is .or what He does?! there is no such thing as an 1844 Levite Jesus. That does not forgive you at the cross! the sins are (placed on the devil ).instead of Jesus Christ. That statement is in the investigative judgment !and that's (your) confession of faith. If you understand what you're doing.. notice I said if you understand what you're doing! that's blaspheming the holy Spirit! Matthew 12:31 and 32!
I was an Adventist, pastor, and teacher for over 30 years. It was all about sister White until I studied her books seriously and discovered that she plagiarized her contemporary and past authors when I decided to leave. Ms. White copied other writers even in what she barricaded with, "Said the angel", "My accompanying angel said", " God says", etc. Besides, she contradicted the Bible and herself so much!!
So true! Shocking how the liberal progressives who know all this, still defend her. 🎉🎉🎉
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Wasn't she a Liar? 😮😢
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Even the most prominent apologists and defenders knew the dark side of her and yet, paint a rosy portrait of her 😅😂
@@19818456 Ordination to what?
To think that EGW is the only person who had supernatural phenomenon for almost 1900 years is baffling 🤣I'm a former SDA.
I can see how that would be baffling. Perhaps you have not read the early Adventist literature on spiritual gifts which cites various examples of the gift of prophecy from the time of John until the time of writing.
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Yes, Adventist literature. Very good. 🤣🤣🤣
@@StPeter-zh1rk So you haven't.
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You think so?
You studied, I studied. You chose to stick with a fake prophetess, I ran away from her. Today we have tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the U. S. alone. Many of them have gifts. I've seen with my own eyes one of them that can predict the future years before it happens and this man is not an SDA. What about those outside Christianity? In Islam or Hindu or Buddha or the Jewish sage Baba Sali (if only you know who this sage is). Every one of them are held to a high degree in their respective religion. EGW is not and I wonder why.
Stick to your EGW for as long as you'd like. I don't need it.
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You think so?
You studied, I studied. You chose to stick with a fake prophetess, I ran away from her. Today we have tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the U. S. alone. Many of them have gifts. I've seen with my own eyes one of them that can predict the future years before it happens and this man is not an SDA. What about those outside Christianity? In Islam or Hindu or Buddha or the Jewish sage Baba Sali (if only you know who this sage is). Every one of them are held to a high degree in their respective religion. EGW is not and I wonder why.
Stick to your EGW for as long as you'd like. I don't need it.
So interesting! I've been watching videos on controversies in the Brighamite LDS and JW corporations, and CZcams must have thought I would like to learn about the SDAs, too:) God is working a great work to bring His people out of false religions, or Babylon. It appears all creeds are in apostasy, and those who want to follow The Way are learning how to do so they'd scripture, personal revelation and are learning that we've trusted in the arm of flesh and instutions when we should have only followed God. I'll keep listening and learning.
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When speaking about EGW's authorship we are really speaking about her literary team of book makers! Check Dr Jerry Moon who researched this.
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at 42 minits in ... EGW copied who? no close captioning .. thanku for an answer 🙂
There is certainly a lot here. But to the host: Assuming that you are still in full custody of your daughter(s), I find it baffling that you send them to SDA schools given your views. I am judging you a little bit.
Not baffling and NOT my first choice. But here’s why. And firstly, only one of my (my wife and I’s) two daughters goes to the local adventist school. The other one is home schooled and follows the Montessori curriculum online. It’s amazing! I’d recommend it to anyone! My eldest daughter (11) didn’t want to home school and is part of a mothers group (my wife and her formers formed when they and their daughters all had their babies - at around the same time!). This group of maybe 6-10 mothers aren’t SDA and they hang out all the time, they and the girls. They also all send their daughters, mine too, to the local SDA school. They are like a ‘pack’ lol. Anyway. I’m Australia, we can only send out kids to schools in our zone. That gave us two options. One, the local Gov school, which we really didn’t like and secondly, the local Adventist school. Which, apart from the doctrines, has an Incredible facility with very very good teachers and resources. The teachers are very ‘secular’ minded and focus on education and not Ellen. Also, approx (I’m told) 75% of the students are non sda. My only complaint is when the traveling week of prayer preachers show up. My daughter needs some de-briefing after those :)
Better understanding now to why you send your daughter to sda school. They are (sda) probably only in business because of the non sda customers. Like in us a lot of people send their kids to catholic schools here. The parents are not concerned about religion. Just school recognition
Catholic churches are surrounded by homes owned by catholics for community. So if you converted a Catholic to adventism but they said they wanted to stay in Catholic church and neighborhood for community
I am guessing the reason it isn't registered with the "Library of Congress" is because it can't be. The same thing I think about why we can't find "Big Franks" in the regular grocery store......my personal belief, the standards of nutrition for "health foods," aren't met. Too much salt, too much fat, pure soy etc. etc. It couldn't be labeled "healthy." This is just my personal opinion.
I HVA ELIVED ELLEN WHITE HEALTH MESSAGE AND IT WORKS 100%.NO HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE,NO DIABETES .NOTHING.ZERO.
43:47 "Copying his errors" is a facile description that does not carefully review her work. From the quality of her handwriting, one can see that she did the work of CONDENSING the chapter (as she described in the Author's Preface written in 1888) rapidly. Nonetheless, she avoids Wylie's mistakes and the key passage in McAdams' paper that occurs in a general description of Interdict that noted Huss historian Spinka made in the very same context. The key issue that McAdams missed (and I do not blame him for getting tired of the subject) is that Huss himself described three departures from Prague, and these do line up with Ellen White's description in the chapter. Even Wylie was unaware of this historical fact, but lay-writer Ellen White got it right. I describe Ron Graybill and my reconstruction of these facts in the paper.
I think it was more likely Marian Davis who did the condensing. Have you read Don’s book? He has many examples in three columns.
@@SDAQandA It was FIRST Ellen White condensing and THEN Marian Davis further condensing. Ellen White picked out the part of the history that she considered essential and then Marian condensed it for space. If you are interested, I can describe the process on camera.
@@SDAQandA I made a second comment that seems to have disappeared. I did read McAdams' book and I annotated it, sending a copy to him. It is published online.
Does 3 times condensed make it true? 😢
@@stephencoe2231 If the source is correct and the condensation is carefully followed, yes. If the source has mistakes, and the condensation omits the mistakes, yes again. I just produced a video on this point on my "Kevin L. Morgan" channel. CZcams seems to erase links, so you will have to search for it.
Blessings.
"We are to beware of those who are denying their past experience, and who, through specious devising, would if possible deceive the very elect. He who is our Advocate in the heavenly courts is acquainted with every particular of the deceptive wiles of those who are doing this work. Those who are departing from the faith are at work to undermine the confidence of others, and they have been thus at work for years. Our warnings come from the One who is interested in us, because He sees our dangers, and is acquainted with the conniving of those who are opposed to His truth....." Ellen G. White, This day with God, pg. 74
You have great faith in EGW; you believe her every word because you're an Adventist ' and the SDA church is founded on the Beliefs and teachings of EGW; therefore, no non-sda's expect a current Adventist to believe anything TRUE of EGW even if it comes from a FORMER SDA; A FORMER EGW BELIEVER!
The evidence is out there: Online and in Her Own published works. As a PLAGIARIST - taking someone's work - intellectual property - and passing it off as her own, constitutes STEALING! EGW engaged in STEALING OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK. WHICH one of God's prophets engaged in stealing other's words? The LAW of the OT says: "THOU SHALT NOT STEAL;" This Commandment was among the Commandments that Christ repeated (Matt. 19:18) Her own words regarding Black people (I've read it Online - and the sources, her writings are quoted) shows that she has also broken the Law of LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOUR!
Think! Would God TELL Ellen that two people who were believers in Christ - and loved each other - should not marry because of differences in colour? Even when those two people wanted to? If Ellen White was RIGHT in EVERYTHING she said and did then that makes GOD a LIAR and one who CONTRADICTS HIS VERY OWN WORDS! SDA'S can't have it both ways!
What you have quoted above was Ellen's way of crushing ALL opposition to the power and control she exerted over her church in her time. She rephrased and reframed the Word of God at will to benefit her not ever thinking that these words were as much for her as for the people - her believers, her church - which she wrote it for. Christ told His disciples: "For there shall arise false Christs, and FALSE PROPHETS and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they SHALL DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT!" (Matt. 24:24)
What you've done there is what Current Adventists do to all Former Adventists who choose to show up Ellen G. White for the FALSE PROPHET she was! Her so-called "prophecies from God," NEVER CAME TO PASS - so what does that make God if EGW really was God's messenger? 🤔🤔🤔
Ur quoting Good old Ellen ?
I have been wanting to see this proof
The number one reason that SDA exists , is Miller never listen to Jesus in Matthew 24:15. The math equation from Ezra chapter 7 verse 9 to 1844 in the fall cannot be done with 2300. No one in SDA can interpret Daniel 8!!! That creates a false Jesus!. Right there is the Crux of SDA! Because that creates an investigative judgment. Then a vision from Ellen claiming the Sabbath is more important than Jesus ..now you've got the whole thing in a bowl of Wax! I've got 4000 speaking to these people in the last year. 4,000 hours absolutely nothing they say. Surprises me .and it's always the same thing!. They try to represent themselves spiritual .but break the 9th commandment..Every time they speak.Technically Jesus is not God! They do not know what salvation is! To them they won't admit it .but that's what they say!
Miller was arrogant enough not to give heed to Christ's warning 😢
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I hear a musing, on your part, on several videos about how progressive Adventists cling to Ellen White as much as traditional Adventists. I read an observation on the part of Alden Thompson that seems applicable, though it is discussing the tension between fundamentalist Adventists and non-fundamentalists. "An older generation of Adventists was taught that we ARE Fundamentalists. That has set up an unfortunate tension between generations. Actually reading Ellen White's writings could help resolve that tension" (Escape from the Flames, p. 26). The point is that both groups of Adventists find either an "anchor" or "balance" in Ellen White's writings because, without a doubt, she, as a person, was not the caricature that people have made her to be. The nuance of her writings can be seen as either STRUCTURE or as COMFORT. They contain both, so both groups of people appreciate her writings.
It's hard for genuine Christians to "appreciate" the writings of someone who claimed -- without confirmation or ratification of any kind -- to have been bestowed agency conferred by the Lord God, and -- a fortiori -- who taught a false "gospel" of salvation by works in every known writing and on every known occasion recorded for posterity.
@@jamesandres6312 To the first part of your post: I would suggest you dive into the process of confirmation and ratification that Ellen Harmon underwent. A good source on that is Theodore Levterov's doctoral thesis. To the second part: It seems to me, after having accepted the gospel under Evangelism Explosion in the 1970s, studied theology in college, and discussed the topic online with many former Adventists, that the key issue with Ellen White about the gospel has to do with the simplified gospel versus the fuller concept of the gospel in the NT--particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the concepts of Paul in Romans 6 to 8.
Blessings.
@@kevinmorgan8782 Thanks Kevin. Cite me one example of divine a communication that could rationally and objectively qualify as conferring divine agency on Ellen G. White. Alternatively, cite me one example of anything that could rationally and objectively be considered as divine ratification of Ellen G. White's claim of divine agency.
@@jamesandres6312 I don't know what happened to my earlier response, for it seems to have disappeared. Nonetheless, if you would review the historical evidence that I suggested, you will see that Ellen G. White, née Harmon, was subjected to various tests before her gift was accepted. As to "objective," the only objective test that could be applied are those of Scripture. Repeatedly, the early Adventists who accepted her gift referred to the biblical tests that they applied to her life and messages to vet her credibility. What we find, in every example that I have reviewed, is that people invent tests to flunk her that also flunk biblical prophets. Quite obviously if their particular "tests" flunk a biblical prophet, then those "tests" are misguided.
@@kevinmorgan8782 Yes, CZcams sometimes makes life difficult. I’m disappointed but not surprised by your reply. It reduces to the contention that Ellen White’s interpretation of scripture is consistent with scripture as interpreted by Ellen White, which those of you who believe Ellen White’s claim of divine agency naturally and invariably consider to be sufficient reason to believe that she was divinely guided, and therefore that her interpretation of scripture was correct.
Do you see the problem?
I asked for an example of a divine communication that rationally and objectively supports Ellen White’s claim of divine agency. I don’t see how there could be any other ground on which to conclude that anything she said or wrote was more or less reliable than what anyone else has said or written. Anyone can claim agency, but common sense tells you a person cannot create agency by merely claiming to have it.
And, needles to say, Ellen White’s false gospel of salvation by works rules out the possibility that she was divinely guided for those of us who interpret scripture in accordance with generally accepted principles of hermeneutics.
1:13:38 The Church of God (Seventh Day) came through "THE MESSENGER OF TRUTH" and the Marion [Iowa] Party. THE MESSENGER OF TRUTH was published from 1854-1857. The Marion Party drew its greatest inspiration from Snook and Brinkerhoff (two former SDA ministers).
I've watched a few of your videos and can't believe you and your guests that have left the church stopped believing in the sabbath and the importance of the ten commandments you are making a grave mistake the mark of the beast will be forced Sunday worship worship at least believe in that part of their prophecy
Come on the show and share where you think I got it wrong?