S9-E2 - What is Adventism's Distinctive Message? - DrEz Branner
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First-time viewer, I found this after watching Myles Christian's Answering Adventism. This video helped me out so much. I'll need to watch this video multiple times. I was 3rd generation SDA, and when my mother's health started failing her, I specifically went to the woman's ministry at my home church for guidance and was completely ignored. I didn't let that stop me from seeking God in my season, so I went straight to the Bible. I looked for SDA in the Bible and couldn't find it anywhere. Thus, my journey began. I now know the true Gospel and can only praise God that He protected me during my difficult season. Thank you thank you thank you.
Welcome aboard! I’m so glad you enjoyed the program. And thanks too for sharing your journey!
Amen, Praise Jesus🙌🏼✝️✝️✝️
Wonderful! ❤
Christian Scholars Forum and their videos on cognitive dissonance were so helpful to me in my leaving process.
Same. 💯
Yes so glad we included the feature of Cognitive Dissonance, it's real.
This was a beautiful and insightful conversation! Jesus's assurance to believers:
Matthew 11:28-30 come, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Amen🙌🏼🙌🏼
What a wonderful interview ❤
A wonderful discussion Peter - such clear explanations about the 2 covenants & the SDA interpretation of Revelation about the remnant etc as compared to the real meaning of those verses Thank you so much 🙏🏻
Thank you Dr Branner and Peter Dixon for this encouraging interview. I am so grateful for your ministry and studies. There have been so many people I am grateful for and each of you supplied critical information and guidance that lead me out. James, Myles, Thunder, CMB Ambassador, Daily, Des Ford, RL Solberg, and more. Thank you for caring enough to share what you found with those of us still caught in the deception of Adventism.
As others said when I first encountered your videos I was skeptical. We even interacted in comments (asking you what you believed). It took me longer to find my way out… but made it out.
Thank you to all the names and more who helped so much.
Please read for yourself....remember the Lord warned you to not let anyone steal your crown!
@@michaelreyes8182 thank you for your encouragement and concern. It is because I am reading and in prayer that I am moving past the Adventist interpretation of the Bible that is based on EGW.
The Bible and the gospel makes much more sense and brings far more peace than the SDA doctrines and EGW have brought.
Praise God, and because we love Jesus sooo much we were led by His spirit the great teacher he is, out of bondage. Galatians 5:1
What a fantastic interview - biblical truth is so obviously different to SDA doctrine - especially their sabbath doctrine.
I love Dr. Ez and pastor Branner! ❤️ They helped me getting out of the Adventist lie! 🤗
Ironically. The call to “come out of her my people” is more fitting to Adventists than Catholics/Orthodox or Protestants/evangelicals. Talk about a paradigm shift for me! 🤯
Soooo right. I say that all the time about Adventist. They need to come out of her.
@@GospelPwrOfSalvation amen
The problem was that the SDA pioneers, including Ellen G. White, made their land mark teachings (sanctuary-investigative judgment teachings) revolve around trying to explain the 22 Oct. 1844 great disappointment. They never recovered from that. The GC and its administrative subordinates will never give up this traditional teachings. Glacier View and SDA publications afterwards shows this.
Amen and I exactly. 100% correct :)
Bring on Rodney Smith, PETER!!! You can't keep running .
So you call for yourself to come back on and give yourself a like? 🤣🤣
@@michaelreyes8182 You really have it bad . Peter has only had one guest on that has shucked his foundation. Peter was left shacking in his boots. Just ask him.
@@rodneysmith3578I don’t think that’s quite the case Rodney, but we love you. “Come out of her my people” is God speaking to you Rodney. Come into the Gospel of your savior. Come out of this abominable movement that tramples upon the blood of Christ. Adventism is a lie from the pit of hell. I renounce it, officially. Praise Jesus he called me out. My savior is risen, he is seated at the right hand of God the Father, and he gives me the Spirit, by which he leads me home. 🙌🏼✝️✝️✝️
@@blueticks8423 Amen, this is my story also......Jesus led me out of Adventism, and into His glorious light !
@@halsouthwell8312 AMEN✝️✝️✝️🙏🏼🙌🏼 Blessed be the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit!
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Wonderful Peter thank you for this. I do want to add something that came up for me while watching. I think you need to be more forthright in commanding believers to leave this church. I don't think you should say things like "if you have reason to stay, great then stay". This religion teaches outright damnable heresy. I would consider this. It's your duty, as someone who knows the truth, to expose lies. To tell people to stay (for whatever reason) in an institution that God despises is not wise. Please just consider this. Bless you
I’m glad you enjoyed the program! It’s a beauty!Maybe I could be more forthright. Let me take that under advisement :)
We get confused I believe when we don't grasp the full gospel. Some may put more emphasis on rules, laws at the exclusion of Love, but that doesn't change that God empowers us to love others by also showing respect to boundaries. Think when we say that the 10 commandments are done away with, or that we aren't also to accept them, we are saying essentially that it's not part of God's character. Does it mean we are saved by law-keeping? No,... but by Grace, God gives us a desire to treat others fairly and justly. The Old Covenant concept- had to do with the Israelite's ideas of "how to form a righteous character." they mistook that they could keep God's law at Mt. Sinai,, but they didn't grasp that God was promising to "write his law in their hearts".. He was reminding them of his original Everlasting Covenant with them that had been instituted post the Fall at the Garden of Eden. The 10 commandments in stone were also a reminder of "Who he was" and what's God's like. The covenant hasn't changed. Enoch, Elijah, Moses, Abraham, Noah were not changed into holy men by a different method than Paul, the disciples, etc after the cross. The same Christ who changed them,, also offered his outstretched hand to save, change and mold the men before the cross.
I'm wondering that when people say "Heritage Adventism" they are referring to the altered writings of SOP- considered to be EGW's writings.. but were edited by the 6- member committee post 1888 (Comprised of Uriah Smith, Butler, Haskell, WC White, Waggoner - father of the EJ Waggoner, and one other).. who altered her books, Great Controversy 1888 printed in the US (not Australia's version- which she also did one, but it was in actually printed in 1890), and then the testimonies some (altered by Prescott substantially). Think this is one reason we see conflicting statements when it comes to prophecy even and the 7 trumpets. Froom, we need to remember was part of the committee also in later years who altered her statements in Evangelism. You can get original reprints of SOP books from the organization: "Echo's of the Past" website (Verne Bates publications). vbates.com/.
you can learn about the changes to the 1888 and 1911 Great Controversy from this site: czcams.com/video/rBqJmUAat4s/video.html; czcams.com/video/9K07r_igkmw/video.html
Could you tell me where we can find that Sabbath is canceled.i am leaving sda but a lot too learn and unlesrn
It’s not so much that it’s been canceled. It has been, like all things in the New Covenant, transformed and taken on a new and better shape. Hebrews 4:1-11 is all about this once you see it. It’s about the heralding in of the new rest, the new creation, etc….Answering Adventism has a lot of content on this subject. But I’ll leave you with this thought. The entire book of Hebrews is about how what was in the old covenant has been replaced and transformed into something new and better by the messiah. If Hebrews 4:1-11 is not talking about a new and better Sabbath, then this subject would be an anomoly in the epistle. I think this alone proves that the seventh day, old creation sabbath has been superseded and absorbed into something a thousand times better. The sabbath rest of belief in Christ and blessings of the new creation. Blessings to you. 🙏🏼 I pray you find your way. I’m fairly newly out as well after 30+ years. It’s better than I could have imagined to be out.
The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the exodus.
When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship (contrary to the claim of many seventh-day sabbatarians who claim that Sunday worship was not instituted until the fourth century).
@@jamesandres6312 exactly. Well said. You explained that very well.
I would add this:
Hebrews 4:1-11 speaks of the Sabbath Rest for believers in Christ. Exegetically this is speaking of Jesus being our new Sabbath Rest. The theme of the entire epistle is a contrast of the New and Old Covenants and how what was in the Old is now updated, made new and made infinitely better by the Atonement and Priesthood of Christ. If Hebrews 4:1-11 is NOT heralding in a new, better Sabbath in place of the old, then it is a complete anomaly. It would not fit within the framework of the rest of the Epistle and would have been very strange to even be mentioned. When I finally realized that; it was game over for me.
Thanks that help so much
@@blueticks8423 Excellent points, blue. Thanks
Can someone please explain why there is a huge move back to Feast keeping ( all 7) speaking and learning Hebrew, calling Jesus Yeshua or Yahusua, keeping the Sabbath according to the true lunar calendar , to be saved.
Apparently if you keep Sabbath according to the Gregorian calender you are essentially following the beast power Rome.
Many ex Adventists are doing this, myself included, but my journey has been halted as I search for truth .
What is causing this movement?
It is worldwide and growing .
Apparently, Heaven is not an option, it never was. We are to spend the millennium on earth ruling with Jesus🤔
It's like there is a movement to return to the old testament way of life because even though Jesus fulfilled 4 of the 7 feasts, there are 3 left to be fulfilled, they are the feasts of Yahweh , His special feasts that He commanded us to keep.
They are first mentioned back in Genesis 1:14 where it talks about the lights being for signs and seasons, season actually meaning = Moedim= Feasts.
And why would a God of love and order give people commands in the old testament , that He punished them for not keeping if He knew they couldn't keep them perfectly, ever, in the first place.
How does this even make sense?
About 35 minutes in We are told by our guest what the gospel messages from the Adventist Church. If this is the message of the Adventist Church I would have left it years ago. Back I wrote a paper on Revelation 12:17 taking issue with how we have defined it to me that the remnant are those who keep all the commandments including Sabbath and have Ellen White. Ain't no wonder we got problems The testimony of Jesus is found in 1st John 5: 11-13. The testimony of Jesus is simply this, the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is what drives the church and yes it is what drives God's prophets, be they canonical prophets or prophets like Agabus. Peter Dixon you did not watch my Karl's Kronicles on the three Angels Messages, the link of which I sent you.
Peter , The Jews who confessed their sins for 359 days of the year still had to show upon the day of Atonement to be Cleansed. This only took place on the 360th day of the Year .
What evidence do you have for a 360 day calendar in Israel? Even their short lunar year had 353-355 days in it. While their long lunar year had 383-385 days in it. You can read about this in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and the Encyclopedia Judaica.
Peter , YOU CAN'T STAY, WHAT A JOKE!! YOU WON'T LEAVE!!!!!! thanks for the laugh. Come back home Peter !!!
She does not understand Gospel Adventism. She is more with Dale Ratzlaf than Des Ford on the Sabbath and Covenants. Cant say I blame her after the way she wss treated by the Administrators.
REALLY? How can u attach urself with a dénomination
Main pillars u dont SUBSCRIBE too.
Which is the FOUNDATION OF ADVENTISM ?
UR DIAGNOSIS IS COGNITIVE NON
There is no SUCH THINGS as gospel adventism. ITS all in ur HEAD. U need to wale up
Pastor Branner need to do a study on the 70 week prophecy. Right here on this platform ❤❤❤.
Great content Peter. Love Dr. EZMIE
The Sabbath was created/ made. Something CREATED CAN NEVER BE ETERNAL
Again don't understand how you and her think the Sabbath is not important and that the ten commandments are done away with at the cross the 7th day is the mark of God's authority in genesis and throughout the Bible till the last days you always say there will be no Sunday law then what is your thinking on what the mark of the beast will be??
The sabbath was the mark of God for Israel pre new covenant. It was never for us gentiles. The commandments are important for Christian’s, they’re based on natural law which God places in our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit, that is the seal of God now. The way I see it is, there’s nothing wrong with wanting to keep the sabbath, we can but the sabbath should never take Jesus’ place. Only Jesus saves and He is the Way. Just try replacing the sabbath in your mind and heart with Jesus. Instead of saying “oh thank God for the sabbath” say thank God for Jesus. Any thought about the sabbath replace it with Jesus. The sabbath has become an idol for SDAs.
U ça.t understanding.d be aussi u have placed Ellen g white a ove script
What make you think "the mark of the beast" has anything to do with Sunday? There in nothing in scripture that even remotely suggests such a fantasy.
@@stevengabrielse8296 wanted to recommend a Bible Study on the Book of Galatians by R.L. Solberg. He is also finishing one on book of Hebrews.
If you go through that and a few others on that channel you will gain access to how this can be understood from Scripture.
My recommendation is when you listen don’t seek to criticize what you hear. Instead seek to understand how they reach the conclusions they reach based on the Bible.
Once you have a complete understanding of their position and how they pull it from the Bible… then you can compare it with the Adventist interpretation and judge which is more scripturally sound.
That is my recommendation as it allows for a fair hearing without prejudging.
Who said not important and done away with? They are rules and Instructions and benefits for this life. Not done away with. Not how you got that from what we said. The point being made is they aren’t conditions for entry to the next life. I’d recommend you watch again and leave your confirmation bias at the door :)
Peter , Your guest is WRONG!!!There are 3 atonements. The Cross, The Holy Place and The
Most Holy Place .
You are wrong, the NT book of Hebrews does not teach a 2 apartment or phase Heavenly sanctuary. Read the book over and over in context in as many versions as you can, until you understand what it is really saying.
Wow! Well this is a first!! How on earth did you draw that conclusion?
Ur comment proves adventism teaches false doctrines
Why stop at 3 atonements, rodney? Why not add "repentance," "locating your name in the heavenly books," "making sure every one of yours sins has been remembered and confessed," "removing your confessed sins from the heavenly sanctuary," "placing your sins on Satan" and several dozen more steps that one can easily identify in SDA soteriology? If you apply your ingenuity, rodney, you could easily get the number up into the low hundreds.
@@jamesandres6312 The truth has exposed you . Thus you have run off with your foolishness.
The Jews in the wilderness went through an Investigative Judgment every year. Do not remove the Old Land Marks. Again, Your guest is WRONG!!!
The OT day of atonement is not the same as the IJ. God gave the original day if atonement in Leviticus 16. While Edson, Hahn and Crosier made up the sanctuary teaching in an attempt to explain the 22 Oct. 1844 great disappointment. The irony is that Crosier soon rejected his theory in 1847, calling it a blunder. James White in 1857 attached the phrase IJ in an attempt to get the church to obey what the leaders were teaching.
Have fun with that.
The OT day of atonement is nothing like the Adventist IJ doctrine as you believe that it began in 1844 by using a day = 1 year for prophetic interpretation but then you get to 1844 and say the IJ has been going for almost 2 hundred years since 1844 - What ?? the OT day of atonement was one day - this should equal one year according to your own prophetic interpretation ?
@@halsouthwell8312 Who Am I to count for God?He gave the prophecy of 2300 years at the end of which there was to be a cleansing of the sanctuary. We are now at that point .Wait on the Lord.
@@rodneysmith3578 YES ! God determines His time frame........not some man made date that even the best minds in Adventism can not find a way to support through the bible alone !
Peter , Are you betraying your daughter by keeping her in an Adventist school.??? You are talking out of both sides of your mouth!!!!
You and your children don’t have to be SDA to go to an SDA school. There would be many other students who attend and are not SDA. Some students come from non christian religions. So she would be exposed to different children of different faith.
If Peter is not Anglican or Baptist does that automatically cancel his right to send his child to an Anglican School or a Baptist Christian School?
Knowing how deeply Peter thinks and likes a good discussion, I’m sure he would be constantly talking with his daughter about what she is learning at school and discussing what the Bible said.
Just because she attends the school doesn’t mean He has to be or is a member of the church.
As I was told by an SDA school principal- school is not church.
@@emmaray9917 Thank-you for your comment .My point is that Peter is fighting o hard against the SDA church, that it is a contradiction to send his daughter to our school where she is indoctrinated into the SDA way of thinking and living .Not to mention his financial support for an organization that he himself spends so much time putting down. Peter is hurt and does not know how to come back Home . I will leave the Light on for him. smile
This dear woman is thoroughly confused. Peter... every one of these 'claims' have been refuted by Scripture. NOTE: I started watching and giving this lady a fair hearing at about the 1-hour mark. It didn't take long to understand where she is coming from. Yes, Peter, I'll go back and watch it all HOWEVER when she called the H.S. a 'she'' at about 1:18:48 alarms really went off. Have you looked into the ''H.S. is a woman'' movement and where it takes you? The problem with Dr Branner is the same with all formers...they justify their actions from behind an SDA straw-man of their own devising... that doesn't exist. How do you reason with that?
I went back so many times to hear when she said the HS is a she and I could not find it…
@@ThinkingNat2 ""One of the first things the Holy Ghost took me was to the Book of Ezra...''SHE'' said I want you to sit down and read this book''. I mentioned 'about' 1:18:50... starts at about 1:18:45. I'll correct the starting time. This husband and wife team were bright lights that went out. Sorry, I've been where they are...I was raised in it. Sad day when SDAs with all their advantages abandon ship for this sin and live theology. Nat, I hope you're not just 'thinking' but 'watching' where this all leads. Lord bless
@@michaelreyes8182i believe that you have misheard that’s not what was said about the Holy Spirit 🤷🏼♀️
@@michaelreyes8182CAN u show me ANY atonement TAKING PLACE IN Daniel 8 dont forêt an atonement REQUIRED 2 UNBLEMISHED ANIMALS 😮
@@michaelreyes8182CAN u show me in SCRIPTURES BELIEVERS will be LEFT without an intercession? Can u show us in SCRIPTURES Christ BLOOD DOES NOT CANCEL SIN? DONT RUNNN