MOYA EP 30 | DR JJ KLAAS | CULTURAL CONFUSION | NONGQAWUSE | XHOSA WARS | NKOSI HINTSA | CATTLE
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- čas přidán 12. 03. 2024
- Moya is a dignified platform for African healers and scholars to unpack the natural sciences and history.
In this episode we sit down with Dr JJ KLAAS about his book,
Triangle of 100years wars.
We unpack the Xhosa war,King Hintsa and Nongqawuse.
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Xhosas make me feel proud to be an African, this kind of gallantry, bravery and astute military prowess is unparalleled. I didn’t know the Xhosas had fought so gallantly against the colonisers. I had thought it was only the Zulus and Mzilikazi’s Ndebeles who had fought so brave against the British. Me being a Ndebele let me share with you a short history of the Ndebele in war. In November 1894 the British South Africa company (BSA) destroyed King Lobhengula’s kingdom, the soldiers came from the Cape in SA, Botswana and from MaShonaland in Zimbabwe. They fought a number of battles against the Ndebele such as the Battle of Mbembesi, the Battle of Phuphu and the battle of Lalaphansi. Cobbing writing in his seminal work opined that the Ndebele warriors were the bravest in the whole of Africa. Many warriors were gunned down, the British first tested their maxim guns against the Ndebeles and they were so destructive. When the Ndebeles were defeated a regiment led by Mtshana Khumalo went with king Lobhengula towards the Shangani river, on the way they took an ambush knowing that General Alan Wilson was in pursuit of the Ndebele King. Unaware, just like the Xhosa shock and awe attack, the Ndebele warriors wiped the whole Alan Wilson detachment numbering more than 30. As I speak their bornes are interred at the Matopo hill where Cecil Rhodes’s remains lie. The British failed to capture king Lobhengula, however, they took his apparent heirs to Grahamstown in SA to ensure that the Ndebele kingdom never rises from the ashes.
No man, we need more episodes with Dr Klaas. Please!
Your book should be part of the curriculum. We have been robbed of our identity and it's books like yours that will restore. Thank you Ntsiki to your guest.
That’s what I was thinking and it will give our people pride and identity.
Indeed it has to be part of Curriculum
I believe he’s working on that already.
AmaXhosa nation.
Isizwe sikaPhalo,sikaNgqika,sikaMalangana,sikaNtu,sikaXhosa..
Siyafunda kakhulu ngamvelaphi yesisizwe🙌😊👏Thina klk asiyazi imbali yaso yesisizwe esiphantsi kwaso...uyabulela uMamgcina from kumhlaba wase Lady Frere!
Molweni 🙏🏿, sicela documentary movies based on Professor' s book🙏🏿
Ngesikhathi bathatha izinkomo zethu they took our past present and future, look at us.
KwaZulu our ancestors referred to white people as abelumbi, ukulumba being an act of witchcraft. At this point we can't prove our ancestors wrong 😪
Siyabonga sis Ntsiki, kwande🙏🏾
Yes Xhosas were never defeated. Noel Mostert says it ended in a stalemate hence the qualified vote system was introduced after negotiations and disarmament. To paraphrase Mostert, there were tit for tat attacks with no out right winner in the end.
Documentary Please! Our kids need to watch this.
"...nizilibele uba nizalwa ngobani..."
Ndiyithanda owukwam longoma leyo sisingqi sakwaNtu.
Iculwa nguSister wakhe omdala kuye uThandiswa Mazwai☺🎶🎙🥁🎧🎤
I could listen to Dr Klaas the whole day. What a beautiful narrator. I am going to start reading his book from next month on my holiday.
Please bring this guy back Ntsiki
Thank you Folks for the humbling constructive comments. Enkosi kakhulu uyabulela uMsuthu.
Msuthu, makubekho documentary about this, even a movie. I wish I was rich, I'd fund it.
Read his book. Very good one. The Nongqawuse story is a very sad one, the British created it in order to present the African (amaXhosa) as irrational beings in order to justify dispossession.
This is why AmaXhosa are still supressed even today, abantwan bethu bafundiswa iihistory zoShaka ababulala abantu abamnyama, the humilation Xhosa gave to whites left them traumatised.
Sinelunda singamaXhosa❤
There are similarities to the Eastern Cape past leaders to the kingdom of Kush, Mansa Musah, nubian nations. They were once thriving nations wealthy with great leaders and civilizations but in modern times they havent managed to regain their former glory.
I sometimes think the is an 'Eastern Cape curse' the province has given so much to SA interms of leadership (Mandela, Mbeki, Sobukwe, Biko, Hamilton Nake, Tambo, Sisulu, Madikizela) yet we havent been able to capture that to regain our former glory.
About time we hear Xhosa culture and heritage
Thank you, Ntsiki and many thanks to Dr. Klaas for sharing a revitalisation of our history.
King Hintsa is my favorite king of our country.
Chess player that King Hintsa.
He was ahead of his time
Camagu Gogo. I lost 😮 words. Dr Klaas is drawing pain and sorrows of Africans. Even more painful that lateTatuMandela and TatuMbeki did nothing, absolutely nothing about it.
They failed dismally!!
DR Klaas
Wow -Enjoyed that thoroughly
Thank you for that beautiful history lesson.. Siyabulela Suthu 🙌🏾 Mvulane🙌🏾
Will def be buying that book, siyafuna ukwazi ngemvelaphi yethu sisi sizwe sakwaXhosa, ngakumbi ulutsha.
Your narration has indeed woken something in me & you have made us feel proud of our history as a Xhosa nation, you hv reminded us that indeed singama qhawe, futhi sasi Kade singawo
Thank you Ntsiki for your work, and efforts to get us woke sisi, we see you mntanasekhaya. You are a gem mbokodo
Great episode Gcwanini. You need to tap in on iziduko also because thats also a messed up situation kwaXhosa.
Ntsiki you need to have a coordination of your work in terms of questions . I say this in good spirit . I’ve noticed your line of questioning is sporadic . You ask this , get carried away with the point and forget the initial question. Your questions must be well coordinated not all over the place . You missed a very interesting build up from the dr . He started with the tale of Nongqawuse. You should’ve challenged him to build it . To its completion , just after . Draw him back to Kunjani Hintsa maybe his upbringing or his interesting has of his life . Kanjalo kanjalo . Even to Ta Thando , you let him go without address much pertinent issues about Prof Sobukwe , I’m afraid . You bring best guest yet you let them go with unfinished businesses. Yhini Sbewu omhle
Oh sthandwa I hear you. Noted. I wish we had budget for longer time also. Will do better 🙏🏿
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Love you for this positive response to constructive criticism. A lot of creators get offended. Ndave ndakuthanda even more.
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Beautiful interview, congratulations on having a podcast with a Africanist view.
Siskolo esi Bawo!!!! Getting the Book!
❤❤❤❤wow great podcast!!!!
The cows that were poisonous came by sea from Australia and was a bathering system which started the Battle of iBika.
Some of these cows were dumped in the modern day Mossel Bay where amaCete Kingdom was with the view of doing ethnic cleansing
Thanks again Ntsikie and your guest. When I watch Eid last time , couldn’t comment back for some reason I was turned off comments.
Dr. Pedro Mzileni should be on a list of your guests coming to Moya 😊
I fully agree
Oh! This should be interesting! Years ago, I met this Xhosa young man...one day we were talking over, the phone, I asked him what he was reading and he said he was reading a book on the Cape Frontier Wars. I'd heard of the Battle of Isandlwana but not the Cape Frontier wars. And so my lessons began.
It’s a goodie
Thank you
I am so glad you did that. Cape Frontier Wars are fascinating. Makes me proud to be umXhosa.
M really proud of these historical xhosa events it makes me proud to be me from this powerful Kingdom Camagu ❤
I’ve been waiting for an episode like this. This has actually answered the questions I’ve always had since I started seeking knowledge about isizwe sakwaxhosa. I just wish the conversation was a bit longer so the line of questions could follow the story from the beginning to the end
Thank you Phozisa
King Sandile is never mentioned in history imbi ilihlazo futhi lonto enkosi Dr JJ Klaas
This is the age of the reveal, the time where all things hidden, all things lied about come to light!!! I love this dimension and age we’re entering, and it’s going to take centuries and centuries to unfold, EVERYTHING being restored to its original glory!!! I’m proud to be black in these mysterious and chaotic times where everything has to go back to its rightful place. The devils and demons that have been given rulership over the indigenous peoples of this earth, their time is coming to an end, and these devils are going to hades where they belong! The Universe has spoken! The stars have spoken! Nothing is going to stop what is written in the skies 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Story sikaNongqawuse siyahlekisa ke if it was all a lie, hayi bakithi😆
Nothing that I love more than a person who knows history, dokotela Klaas dankie siyabonga.
Credo Mutwa spoke about that in great detail
Thanks for bringing the guy. Slowly but surely, an African child is being liberated mentally.
Thank you Zandi
This deserves a documentary
Thanks Dr Klaas for debunking this whitewashed, revised history and myth of Nongqawuse. We also need the full documentary you have on your Tik Tok channel on the Frontier Wars. Our children need to see this history that you have narrated.
This I have to put on repeat. This sounds like a history masterclass.
Thank you Thabang
siyabulela MaGcwanini nobaw' uMsuthu! enkosi kakhulu!
Enkosi Mlungisi
This Episode was great I enjoyed it especially Sis Ntiski's reactions 😮😮 oko ekhuza 😅...Been following Dr JJ Klaas and his great work for some time now, Am very passionate about History and Looking forward in meeting him one day 'soon'
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Appreciated Africa
Siyabonga kakhulu Mwalimu Klaas❤️ Brilliantly shared profound knowledge & truth about OUR past🙏🏾
Ubaw’ uKlaas sisisele senyathi, the knowledge he gives is what we need to have a thorough understanding of our past.
Well done on creating a space to encourage the unlearning of lies and attainment of truth MaMiya❤️ this is time well spent, it’s wholesome indeed.
Enkosi kakhulu duna lakuthi
@@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru please start a podcast please we need this content
We need more of this
Great work Doc for your bravery in rewriting the history. Please do some work as well with the formation of the Xhosa nation. Soga in his good attempt has made some errors. For example you mention in this interviw that clans such as Ntshilibe and Ngqosini were Suthu, which is incorrect. Not even amaMvulane are Suthu. Jeffrey Pieres in an intecepted convesation with a researcher yakwaGaba conceded that he does not know much about the Qora people were amaNtshilibe and Amangqosini originate.
Siyabulela Sis'Ntsiki and Doctor Klaas!
Please bring a historian who knows Basotho and other nations because honestly we tired of knowing Zulu stuff nje hearing about AmaZulu all the time we seriously need stuff like this and thank you ausi Ntsiki now I know the history of Xhosas❤️
No problem my baby….will get on it ❤️
New subscriber here and already obsessed❤
Welcome home 😍
I can’t wait
Ngumni na lo mnumzana? Yhoo ndiyayifuna le ncwadi, enkosi Dr. Khewu
NguMvulane lona
I strongly believe & have also witnessed that: the conscious spirits keeps not quiet or still bout the Truth...u see it in a dream then wake up & say 'agh its just a dream'. I hear conversations in my head that aren't mine but those of times past and from spaces far before them. What im saying is that somehow our souls have the truth, show us the truth of such times kodwa we (as the most intelligent beings...lol...are even ignorant to our innate and internal sources of Truth) rather choose to believe in;
1) fear
Fear of own Truth shem😢.
So many movies now r starting to depict/portray/act-out certain long hidden Truths as scenes in sci-fi movies or political crime stories then we just swallow it and take it as, wait for it.....ENTERTAINMENT.
WHAT DOES THAT PORTEAY BOUT MUNTU MNYAMA WHEN ABALANGU THEMSELVES TELL US THAT U CANT EVEN BUILD ON WHAT U ALREADY OWN WHICH IS...LAND IN AFRICA
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We are powerless to our own knowledge.
We are ignorant to our own power.
We want to be 'woke' bout our cultures and heritages? Lets start by taking our family reunions effin seriously; our funerals & wedding ceremonies r effin spits on graves of forefathers & foremothers who committed their lives & households to building communal legacies.
If We really want to show that we want to change we must start by damn well changing our mindsets from trending to building; from influencer to grower; from entitlement mentality back to each one teach one mentality.
Our Truth...Our truth lives in our Spirits but we live only for flesh unchofornately coz we lost that value of spiritually connecting with everything around us including dikgomo le naha.
And no Sis Ntsiki mtase, documentary will delay the transfer of true knowledge of self bcoz adults dont like to be told that what they as truth is a lie.
I say each one teach one.
Monna le Mosadi ba rute bana ho tloha bonnyaneng ka dinnete tsa lelapa le setjhaba sa batho ba batsho. How will ur wokeness spread to ur children if ur sending them to colonial lifestyle systems from birth. The worst we can do is die without empowering the next generation with Our Truth then expect them to fight what we knew & could've but didnt.
"Give them the country my comrades, let them have it. They'll give it back to us without them even knowing it then we take it for good!!!!" That was 30 years ago guyzini and its heading there.. 🤞🏼
Interesting.....Please get also someone from tswana tribe to come and explain the history
It's sad how this history is not talked about.
It’s deliberate
Yhooo mntase, enkosi Mamiya omhle. uThixo akubusise, kwande apho uthatha khona🎉 i love you for this
Am learning 😮😮😮
Mee too from your feedback
Awu u Khetshe umkhulu 🙏🙏🙏
Uyabulela uMsuth' obhuzubhuzwana.
Whaaattt
This was amazing
Thank you for this
Great episode sisi. Keep up the good work!
I have taken it upon myself to teach my children the true history of our people, Not only the Xhosa, but Africans at large, both bad and good. I had asked these questions from primary school level when we were doing standard 3. There was absolutely No Xhosa history stories except the Myth of uNongqawuse (which I dismissed on spot). The question of the land wars is displayed by the beautiful land marks that are still in the hands of the Xhosa speaking people to this day. It is in Eastern Cape that you find Villages in the Beach Front with cattle grazing and kids walking freely around every morning in a natural environment. The Traditional Leadership of my Village is called aMaGqunukhwebe ase Lwandle Traditional council because we occupy a vast coastal area under the rulership of our Traditional Leaders to this day. This is Not because we had been done a favor by the Colonizers, No, we owe it to the Warriors in the form of King Hintsa kaKhawuta, Sandile and others who fought gallantly for 100 years defending our native land.....
Brilliant conversation with Dr Klaas. He's a well of knowledge
Thank you Sizwe
Great content 👌
I am humbled.
Wow what a great story… King Hintsa phila ngonaphakade.
Appreciated Mrikoored
Oh I can’t wait for this one.
Appreciated.
Enkosi maMiya
Nathi siyabulela kumaGcwanini
Nice one. ❤
Appreciated Sipho
Hlala kakuhle
You’re not welcome here 🙏🏿
Thank for uTata we learn so much from him. Siyabulela🙌🏿
Really enjoyed this episode because it relates to grade 10 history content.
What a mouthful. I’m so happy for the Nongqawuse conversation, needs to happen more often.
We need to also listen to the cries from the spirits of the fallen kings. The whole country is full of british troops symbolism.
We have streets and cities named after these evil british troops that killed our people. And that’s unsettling the spirits of our Kings.
Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter. Law number 42 on Robert Greene's book. Good read, if emotion is set aside.
Appreciated Thabang
The Intro tracks plays fine on both ears, but from 30 seconds I can only hear sound only on my right ear. I don't think it's my headphones coz when I play old episodes they are fine.
Will pass message to technical
Thank you Dr
Thank you Karabo
Yeah cc that was devine I want the book❤
You can get an electronic version online
Great conversation
Appreciated Mphona
Great content as always, Enkosi Gcwanini wethu noDr Klaas
Appreciated Siviwe.
Ndiyalila kulendawo ndikuyo,mna bendiba ama amazulu ngawo ayesilwa namabhulu elwela nathi maxhosa,jonga lentoyokuba kudlelwe imovie shaka kuphela ezekumkani zamaXhosa dololo,ndiyabazonda omongameli bamaXhosa abadlulileyo indlela bebekhothama ngayo kwikumkani yamazulu,nebdlels bebeyiphakamisa ngayo i kzn,ubungagqiba ukuba bangamazulu kwabona
A great man and scholar... Umhlobo wam, uMsuthu. Camagu mntanomhle.
William Gqobha makes an argument around the Nongqawuse narrative. He says it is impossible that in such a society, a mere girl could have so much of an influence to the wise,old and knowledgable men to tell them to kill their inheritence? Gqobha disagrees with the narrative as Msuthu logically does.
Sibulela Kakhulu Mkhulu
Kubulela mna Thandoz
Finallly someone has confirmed my suspicion yake nonsesical story sikaNongqawuse. This story doesn't make any sense or whatsoever abelembi amaqwihahhhhhhh enyani
I am glad I made a contribution
This is good, really good. But please prepare next time. Liked and subscribed.
I don’t know what you mean when you say prepare because how My podcast is structured is that I come as an empty vessel and drink. If you want more journalistic podcasts with an approach you want, there are many podcasts out there and you’re welcome to go enjoy their content. Love and Light
What went wrong in the interview?
31:30
"I want the kids to understand this!"
HA RE FA BANNA NNETE BA PHELE NNETE.
Did we also use guns at the time of Maqoma?
The storyline of Nongqawuse, Shaka Zulu, etc, are the same stories that were used in other African countries like Kenya, Congo, Zambia, etc
Colonial lies to instill fear
Ntsiki were can one download your closing poem?
Outro poetry is by NOMONDE SKY ❤️
where can we buy your books Dr Klaas? I've been looking at the bookstores and nothing so far.
Please google a pdf version from online.
Thank you will start. Kodwa were can we get the book because I struggle with digital books
Please Mamiya ask Dr how do we get his book . I want one copy urgently . Thank you .
He says just the title and his namen
You can get a pdf copy from online from various entities.
Where can I get his book ?
Check description box
@Ntsiki I saw that they have a copy at takealot
Thank you
ayivakali kakuhle adjust audio
Julle moer lamabhulu😡😡😠
"NOT IN THE EASTERN CAPE"😤😤😤😤😤
This guy did not do thorough research on south african history .He is making utterances miscalculating dates of tribes and when the migrated.I have my reasons.In a serious debate of dates and accurances this guy can be caught out and book canned even the book of soga is a complete lie and distortion i saw the clans.People need to do thorough research before writing books because they are very contradictory to the trueth
Can we have yours that is well researched and accurate?
@@blackbusinessdirectory8952 It is already there in the archives.I think the problem with a lot of South Africans is not growing from fault tragedy and we musk acknowledge that the colonizer was more advanced had better strategies hence they dominated the world.This fairy tale versions and denial wont help us improve as black people and learn from our mistakes.What happened happened.Trying to erase it and writing false glorious poems for self gratification and being in denial wont help it seems to be the current black scholar or individual attitude.The current scholar with academic title seems to be in denial .I come across individuals who do research from a personal point of view who are better academically equipped and have a broader knowledge base and understanding of how to do research because of passion and not trying to prove a point than those with academic titles .We need to stop the manipulation of information with a bias agenda it also affects our political point of view.Wich tends to make alot of South african individuals with a public platform expose themselves to being ignorant
I don’t think you are being fair to the Dr.
1. You can’t comment about the book without reading it first. Before you critique it, read it.
2.If there were inconsistencies in the interview, that doesn’t necessarily mean they are also in the book. He wasn’t reading the book.
3. You can’t criticise his level of research without seeing how it was done and what sources were used, both primary and secondary.
4. His discussion was based on researched information not denialism.
5. Writing a history book has got nothing to do with whether the colonialists were advanced or not. It’s simply uncovering researched facts. In this case, it’s uncovering historical facts that were kept away from the public.
6. You seem to be agitated by the fact that black peoples are rewriting their history, yet you haven’t said anything about how incorrect the coloniser’s history was. That dilutes your argument such that you appear as a colonialist sympathiser. Your critique lacks objectivity.
7. The only fairy tale that the Dr talked about is the Nongqawuse story. He completely destroyed the fairy tale and provided a different perspective, based on research.
8. In the absence of new evidence, you can’t say that Soga’s writings were complete distortions of history. Provide evidence meneer.
Let us not find joy in bashing one of our own, especially in public platforms. Let’s avoid the pull-me-down syndrome, it’s not helping us. It’s not making any one of us better. If a brother commits a mistake, real or perceived, talk to him privately, you will not lose anything.
@@EddymafYou're so mute on incorrect narration of history by Europeans/Colonizers as if they're holy cows/saints, yet we know all over the world their narration of history is debunked i.e "Myth of Empty Land", "AFRIKANS had No Civilization", "AFRIKANS had no capacity to Think"
@@Kush-Kemet What are you talking about and insinuating.Do not put statements on me I did not narrate.You are accusing me without valid cause but anger.I am structural correctness without bias.For what. ever your angry about do not imply things on me I did not say.Your debate is pointless without cause but accusation and you dont know what ur accusing me of
Ouche Doc you are butchering Hlubi history here big time 😂💔😭. As for "Nongqausi", yintsabo edala umfece not the other way around.
That’s the sad part nhe. That hlubi history is richer than Mpangazitha.
In what way? Can you be specific. I am afraid it appeared that you are shooting from the hip.
@@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru with all due respect doc 1) uMpangazitha was never a king. He’s from the right-hand of Bhungane. The king was uMthimkhulu his brother from the great house hence subsequently we had uDlomo and uLangalibalele of Mthimkhulu as future kings 2) The Hlubis that went to uHintsa were followers of uMhlambiso kaMthimkhulu. They went there long before the Battle of Mbolompo voluntarily and not by conquest. The Xhosas were not conquerors 3) The amaHlubi that got mixed with amaNgwane were followers of uMehlomakhulu kaMpangazitha. They are not to be confused with amaHlubi of uMhlambiso 4) It was them impi of Mehlomakhulu who cut off and chased the section of impi of Matiwane into the clash that would be known as the Battle of Mbolompo. They were not in themselves involved in the fight.
I’m not engaging from a position of distracting your great work. I’m engaging as a fan and a fellow pre-colonial history fiend. You doing Gods work sir. Much respect 🫡
As for the issue of Nongqausi. There was never a Xhosa man named Mhlakaza and subsequently never a Xhosa girl named Nongqausi but that’s a discussion for another day.
@@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru, with all due respect, doc, you seem to be confusing Mpangazitha with Mthimkhulu. Also, seem unable to tell the difference between the amaHlubi of Mhlambiso and those of Mehlomakhulu. To be specific, 1) uMpangazitha was never a king. Mthimkhulu was the king. 2) It was Mhlambiso's followers that went to uHintsa voluntarily and not by conquest. The Xhosas were not conquerers 3) It was Mehlomakhulu's followers that cut off a section of impi of Matiwane and displaced it into the clash that would be known as the Battle of Mbolompo. They were not in themselves involved in that battle. I admire your work. You are doing God's work. Keep it up. As for “Nongqawuse” there was never a Xhosa man named Mhlakaza, subsequently never a woman named Nongqawuse.
@@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru every time I come back here to check for your response, I find my comment erased. That's censorship.