MOYA EP 29 | VUYISILE CHARLES NDABENI | BOPHUTHATSWANA | KGOSI MANGOPE | SUN CITY | MONARCHS
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- Moya is a dignified platform for African healers and scholars to unpack the natural sciences and history.
In this episode we sit down with Vuyisile Charles Ndabeni about Boputhatswana as an economic model, monarchs and economic corridors.
Contact: ndabenic@gmail.com.
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Sisacela abuye lo baba please there's a lot of things to be unpacked and a lot of things to learn, he's a such a powerhouse, we really need him to come back struu🎉
Celebrities used to travel from Joburg to Mmabatho to party because Mafikeng was literally Las Vegas
True story
Soo true
The man was clearly ahead of his time, a visionary of note. Some of us experienced this reality and we will forever remember his legacy. Ko lehatsheng la kgomo le mabele .
Boswa jwa rona ka bosakhutleng.
Regarding Mangope, the problems began when we believed the media over our parents’ lived experience in Bophuthatwana. The one thing I know is that he was a law and order champion. If you behaved in a way that was disruptive to society then you would be corrected. Hence you wouldn’t find a cigarette bud anywhere in any CBD of Bophutatswana. The man gave black people (Batswana in particular) a sense of dignity and full exploitation of what it meant to be a modern African in the 20th century. As a result, there was harmony. You didn’t have time to be a nyaope boy because you were kept busy with choir practice, soccer, debate, majorettes etc.
My jaw dropped to the ground! After watching this video, add to it the stories about the ANC having sold us, I can’t help but cry for my country and my people! In actuality what did the ANC free us from exactly??? When will our so-called leaders be the epitome of excellence and lead their people to absolute freedom, politically, economically and socially 😢😢😢
I like how Ntsiki interviews, less interruption and trigger the speaker to keep unleashing
😍😍😍
Such discipline to even beautifully take the speaker back to a point raised 30 minutes back.
Naare Ntsiki o maketse. Bop is the epitome of black excellence. He did not even talk about law and order in Bop. There was Bopsol, Bop Broadcast, Unibo etc
Mmabana, the hotels
What's Bopsol?
@savagetau7380 Bopsol is Bophuthatswana Soccer League. RHUU Radebe, Peter Matsitse, Tebogo Moloi, Makuka Makinta, Percy Makweba used to play there mate.
May he take this information to Netflix because we need this kind of Knowledge to be save for history of South Africa
I'm so happy that people like this guy and J maponga, are building libraries on such topics. Even thou it looks hopeless now with the establishment having such a stronghold over everything, Indoctrinating the next generations with this type of education, is the only hope we have, of ever seeing a new status quo despite it never going to materialize in our life times.
Very interesting interview,no wonder most of the Batswana people who lived under the leadership of Kgosi Mangope sing his praises till this day.May his soul continue to rest in peace...I would encourage you guys to bring a part 2/follow up interview
I came here after a clip you posted on twitter or X. Wow my whole lunch hour gone. Not even regret it I am full now
Even Bab'Credo spoke about the hidden underground city in NW near Sun City, the place is so powerful that the cultists used the area to harvest spiritual power, he narrates it beautifully, I got goosebumps and didn't like the modern SunCity since then. The NW was stolen and left to deteriorate deliberately but it is very rich. Same thing was done to Zim, Mugabe was demonized.
Beautiful interview❤ the real Kgosi Mangope will be known in this lifetime. Yeah install the monarchy but remove the colonized monarchs
I'm for that
Yoh what a a great episode. The best podcast I have ever watched about Africa. We need people like these. I need to study more about Bophutatswana, I always knew Mangope as someone the media has painted. No wonder my grandma always said he was the best and I couldn’t understand why.
Now you know. ANC and PAC painted him badly. Hence, he was not afforded the state funeral. Just imagine.
Kgosi Tau Tona Lucas Manyane Mangope will forever be the man he knew he was
I’m so blown away
I'm from Mogwase in the pilanesburg and I can tell you now, he is right when he says Tau Tona developed his people's mental state as well. Today there is some certain level of depression found and understood only by those who have experienced the shift from Bophuthatswana to South Africa.
Period!❤
I mean he did warn the people of Bop... I can't believe we even had the BRT system like Rea Vaya when I was 2yrs old
@@sibusisonkosi6506 He indeed warned us/them.
Bophutswana lehatshe la bo Rra rona, re le abetsweng ke Modimo. ❤
Ko ntle ga tshololo ya madi
Lefatshe la kgomo le mabele,boswa jwa rona ka bosakhutleng😢...tjoooo
Interesting interview, i think we should open a party called BOPHUTHATSWANA
I proudly hail from Taung, it was the best place to grow up in, we were so advanced that we couldn't compare to anyone. At the Dawn of the new dispensation, graduates from Bophutatswana went to Gauteng and all these places to formalize and upgrade the public service.
I remember visits in Mmabatho and Mafikeng in the early 90s... No lies told here. ANC destroyed the NW
What did the ANC not destroy my guy? They destroyed the PAC as they feared the PAC (Sobukwe) was fighting a nobler course than they. A shame!
Ntsiki, usithatha phi esisele senyathi...A man with such knowledge. And soothing voice, is he on radio...Wow!
Where can we find the detailed economic model of Bophutatswana? Also is there any possibility that Ntate Vusyisile can write a book about this information? In my view this needs to be documented properly and preserved. Mind Blowing interview!
I moved to Madikwe District in 1989, today in Moses Kotane, after my formative years in Tembisa, East Rand.
One thing that really strike me about Bop, was emphasis on higher education. Seeing people graduating at the university live on Mmabatho TV and Bop TV. Education was big in Bophuthatswana.
He was big on rural development, and there was significant investment in agriculture, water investment in water for livestock and cattle ranches. So subsistence farming was encouraged.
When I visited Mmabatho for the first time in 1991, I could not believe my eyes. Black excellence was in full swing. Seeing shopping malls, Mega City, City busses, black people living a true middle class life.
People going to Mmabana arts, in Zeerust, it was the same, there was so much optimism among black people.
Came 94, everything that Mangope built disintegrate. Today, Mafikeng entse e tshetla given that it is part of Kgalagadi.
I support this
Tautona shook the bridge.
ANC messed up Bophuthatswana. It is depressing when you go to Mahikeng and Lehurutshe, if you ever knew what it looked like under Tau Tona. Road infrastructure were intact, the goods train moving agricultural produce was efficiently running, public service without corruption, shoes factories in Mogwase and Babelegi had multiple factories as well, which today are derelict. Silos are standing unused and dilapitation is everywhere. The then border post when entering Lehuretshe from the then RSA, was well looked after, giving the impression that you are 'entering' another country 🤣. They have absolutely destroyed everything that he built. There were plantations and Batswana were into different agricultural projects even producing a type of rice among other produce. Two years ago as I navigated the potholes of Mahikeng I remembered Tau tona saying: ' Mmuso wa mapantiti o tlo go re sotla.'
Can the plantations atleast be revived? 🤔
Brilliant interview! I grew up in Soweto and have beautiful memories of traveling to Mafikeng to visit family in the late 80's. They even had a favorable tax regime back then. My Dad told me that it was actually cheaper to drive there and buy furniture and clothes from Mega city than in Jo'burg. They were truly thriving! Tragic how it all fell apart so quick. That business model must be restored
This is amazing, we need him back. The proof is in the pudding. Look at Kgosi Mangope RDP houses vs ANC ‘s. Those RDP’s are worth at least R1M a lot of them
Kgosi Mangope passed on a couple of years back...
Normally, you find poeple of other ethcin groups hating on the man, citing that he hated them. Ntate Charles just made me cry actually. Hearing him speak of him like that will forever stay with me
I think we confuse it. Mangope was Batswana first in all things.
@@sibusisonkosi6506 There were white ministers in his cabinet, and there we also many people of different ethnicities in Bop, so no, he wasn't all about Batswana. I wouldn't have had a problem even he was, simply because nobody is calling out batho ba Limpopo, Kwazulu natal, eastern cape and them for their ill treatment ya Batswana particularly mo Bophuthatswana.
@@user-lk5vp1sm4e my mother was 2nd generation Swati born ko Tlhabane, I'm 3rd. I speak only of her experience growing up in Bop. My grandfather became Bop MP after bo di Robben Island. So I know what I'm talking about.
Be that as it may, he was a chief ya Batswana, mo lefatsheng la Batswana ene a dirisa setso sa Batswana
I grew up in Lobatla we had airstrip , I saw inside a plane when I was in primary school I so wish 1994 didn’t happen
The man put an airport in Thaba Nchu chief 👌🏾 that’s smack bam in the Free State. Village folk knew what an airplane and airport was because of that man. Imagine what that could do for the average village child’s imagination. Knowing that things like that in the 70’s didn’t only exist on TV
It shouldn't have happened under those circumstances, but all hope is not lost.
I am a witness to what was said here by bro Charles. I have visited Bophutatswana in 88 to 1990. My family stays in ledig Sun City was just a walk away from home and BTH busses traveled the entire country. I traveled with them from Carletonville to king William's town many times.
"Future and development of this country" hits hard 😢
Ntate Ndabeni needs to return, so much we still need to learn from him
Born and grew up in Bophutatswana. 🤩
A part 2 is a must.
This level of wisdom is unprecedented
I can't stop watching. Once is not enough
I'm not sure about the Mmabatho stadium capacity however he is telling the truth about it's foundation, it is a monument. One of the reasons why Supra visited Rre Mangope was to get plans of the stadium so that he can demolish it and build a hotel.
I had to watch this episode twice.😍😍😍
Everything true he said about Rre Mangope and Bophuthatswana
This interview was so necessary. I grew up and my granny would tell fond stories about BOP. How it was destroyed is disgusting.
I don't understand why Supra Mahomapelo is not on jail, that man has destroyed the North West
Im proud to say am from Mafikeng in a village near town called Magogoe Tlhabologo after this interview I've learn a lot that i didn't know about the history of my home town and its not only me but the majority of youth in mahikeng don't know their roots
We want him back please! !!!
Makaphinde abuye uTatuNdabeni... Kusekunintsi ebesafuna usirhabulisa kona. Please try and ask him for a part 2 Ms Mazwai... And I thank you for the work you put in, in the selection of your guests. 👏🏽
We need more interviews about Bobuthatswana we need to learn more about our history
Here in Rustenburg a place called chaneng we still doin LETSEMA helping each other for sake of loving our community ❤
What ANC touches ANC destroys
Oh Charles! Such a wealth of knowledge and passion about Batswana roots! Please bring him back!
Wow !! I could listen to this man forever👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank for bringing a knowledgeable person leader. What he is saying is evident in Mabopane. We had our own town. Industries, malls, private hospital and all the amenities😢 😢😢😢
MaMiya Ntate Charles has to come back please. And thank you so much for always delivering.
This is so powerful my Ndebele Granma her family insisted on putting a cow skin in her grave never understood why they were doing that 🙏
The shortest 1 hour ever. Wow, I'm lost for words to really express my gratitude. We really need him back. Wow, wow, wow, may God and our ancestors keep him for us. There's definitely a loooot to learn.
Welldone Ntsiki and Ndabeni. We need more episodes
I can't stop watching this.I'm blown away .
knowledge architect,innovatative disruptor🔥🔥
I would love to see african monarchs in africa. Thank you guest, well said
Mind blowing. Thank you for this interview. I am from Mahikeng, and every time I go back home I'm saddened by the state of my town. Everything has been destroyed.
Mahikeng e utlwisa botlhoko😢
Madumme please please have him back🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼
Wow I’m impressed such a detailed reporting 👌🏿👌🏿
Yerrr, I knew there was something good about Mangophe. I'm in North West and people here always refer to Him.
I travel to Mahikeng, its a shame to see it being destroyed as is right now.
Ntsiki please u tata must come back yho such knowledge 😮
I have had to watch this episode twice, last night and this morning. Talking about Mahikeng breaks me, those who don't know what Mahikeng stands for know nothing. This was a very informative episode, i wish he can come back again. Ntsiki please ask him which books is he currently reading
I love how he refers to Robert Mangaliso Sobukwe as SMANGALISO ❤
Part 2 is needed, please 🙏
Nna I’m ready to die. We were too blessed to gave grown ko Bop.
Damn! damn! damn! Ntsiki, my sister, ausi waka... You keep over delivering these days ✋️ 🫡.
I think when you have one of those more, then once guests episodes. You need to have him and Moeletsi Mbeki and have a discussion.
Thnks so much we would be glad to have part2
TAUTONA YA MALOBA 🐆👑RRE MOTLOTLEGI MANYANE MONGOPE
The amount of knowledge on this episode.....
The largest transplantation of wild life in the world was done by him when creating Pilanesberg national park
Bob TV and Bob Radio were hands down the best. I remember the early 90s when their programmes were published in the TV guide. Oh my goodness, they had it all better than we did. All of a sudden Mangope was branded as a dictator and a sell out. ANC fucked us.
And Bop studio equipment was sold cheap to a British citizen, 😢 painful
This the kind of content I signed up for... Dankie MaAfrica🎉
Ntsiki Thank you so much 💓 for this interview🎉
There’s a documentary called “The bloody miracle” on CZcams. It has reference of the AWB invasion he speaks of.
I love the English spoken here
Pls cc Ntsiki he must come we getting knowledgeable ❤lesedi khanya
Wow just woe wrt Boputhatswana
This is wisdom, thank you Mr Ndabeni
Great episode sis Ntsiki and Moya team. Siyabonga. Yhoooo ukhongolose 🤔🤐🤫. I'm watching this very distracted today. Ngitobuya ngitobukela futsi.
Ijaa, ntate Ndabeni made me so emotional. Remembering how Bophuthatswana was overthrown, brings tears
We had Radio Bop, Radio Mmabatho, TV Bop, TV Mmabatho. Best radio and tv personalities ever.
The Djs who later revolutionized radio, your Bob Mabenas, Glen Lewis, Nothemba Madumo were actually trained by and worked for Radio BOP.
what an incredible podcast ❤i’m from Bokone bophirima and now living in Sandton everytime i look at DaVinci but anyway that was so informative 🐐
Can we have him again please, I feel he still has more to unpack for us. So informative.
PS: Ntsiki my mom is single, retired. Very intelligent and grounded woman, well educated and self made. Looks hella good for 61. Tell dante I will make a great stepdaughter😂😂
Unfortunately ANC members won't watch to learn.
Knowledge is power.
Can he please come back 😢 I'm hungry for more knowledge. I'm from North West and yes Mafikeng is completely destroyed, you won't say it's the capital city of North West 😢
This is painful to write, Ntate o bua nnete, when we grew up there was something called a works, they basically owned tractors and machinery, everyone mo motseng used to work there, we were young but now that I think about it everything makes sense now. RIP to Rre Mangope, thanks Ntsiki and Ntate Ndabeni
Enkosi Mamiya for bringing uBaba Ndabeni kufuneka abuye futhi
Great guest you had. We need a second part to this!
and we thought to to be just wrapped by a cow hide wen u buried was a flex in the old days, kante that thing takes so many years to decompose , knowledge
Sir Ndabeni👏👏👏
Thank you Ntsiki 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾♥️♥️
We had corporative farms that worked my Grand uncles used to mill their own brand of maize meal deliver at home every month, we had farminhg rice, yes west african crop alot of you think rice is from china Africa has rice , Mageu No1, Black like me, Monate achaar is from Bop all black owned neh
Thank you.....Strength...we are going back to our roots. One step at a time..
Thank you for this ❤❤❤
Informative, it the word to describe this episode
Listening to what this gentleman says, it is exactly how our great Khemetic civilisation in Africa/Alkebulan fell! It was this type of sell out and corrupt leadership like we have now in most countries that led to the fall of the great unparalleled black civilisation in the continent, let alone the whole world 😢
This was awesome
Thank you Ntsiki for this interview
Captivating. RIP Mam Grace Masuku
Radio Bophuthatswana (Bop Radio) gave birth to good radio that we listen to today...BBC Bopthatswana Broadcasting Corporation trained the likes of Lawrence Dube, Tebogo Matima, Glen Lewis, Bob Mabena, Cebo Manyaapelo, Brenda Sisana, Ben Dikobe, Nothemba Madumo, Tich Matazz, Tim Modise, Hector Motau, etc....Radio Metro, now Metro FM was established in 186 solely to compete with Radio Bop.
Those were the days of paradise man
Thanks so much Ntsiki. This is insightful ❤🎉
Thank you