1987 40 Hp Johnson WOT Timing - The Joe Reeves Method -
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- It's This Old Outboard. Happy New Year! Waiting for Parts I Ordered for the 1979 55 Hp Evinrude Outboard. New Thermostat, Relief Valve Grommet and Gasket. Meanwhile I did the Joe Reeves WOT Timing Procedure on the 1987 40 Hp Evinrude Outboard. I knew it was off because the Stop Screw was loose when I got it.
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Love the 40hp johnsons! Interesting timing method. I'll give it a try. Thanks from CA
Hey yeah look it up for exact instructions. It's been around for years. Happy New Year!
I bought a 85’ 40Hp Johnson from a guy I know and his uncle is a supposedly marine mechanic. The first time I ran it at the lake it spun the stator because he didn’t tighten the bolts holding it down, it had 2 different kinds of spark plugs in it too. I have a friend I’ve known for 30 years that has a shop on lake Burton in northeast Ga. Gil’s Marine. Luckily he had the stator off of a old Johnson motor he had for parts. As you know you can’t buy a new stator for these older Johnson motors. My mechanic had to do some other adjustments as well. Now it runs pretty good for a 36 year old outboard. I’ve learned a lot from watching you work on these motors.
Hey Harlan. Thanks ! Appreciate you tuning in. Sometimes its hard to find parts, but there out there. Here's what I do. Go to marineengine.com, look up your year/model, get the part number from the schematic, most likely they'll have it in stock at marineengine.com but not always and it never hurts to look for the best deal. That's where ebay comes in. Search the part number on ebay twice, once with the "0" in front of the number and once without the "0". Some ebay sellers dont use the "0" when they list their parts and some do. Some do both. Then I look for the best deal and closest shipping. That's the other good thing about ebay is the fast shipping. I buy all my parts there. If you can't find it new there's almost always lots of good used ones. Also, if it seems impossible to find what your looking for, keep in mind, that stator for instance was probably used in a dozen different outboards ranging in horse power and year. There may be someone on ebay selling a complete ignition plate with that stator mounted on the plate but only listing it as a 1980's something 25 hp Johnson complete ignition plate assembly, and not listing all the part numbers. It's rare but it happens! You'd be surprised at some of the parts I've dug up on ebay! Glad you got it up and running. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 Gil sold me the stator for $150 and another $150 labor. He had a hard time getting the flywheel off of it. I found some stators on eBay but the wanted $200+ for them. I’m enjoying watching you fix these older motors.
@@Harlanmote Wow. I had to look. didn't see anything over $85
Happy New Year my man and thanks for all the videos. Been a great help.
Hey. Thanks ! I appreciate you watching and commenting. Happy New Year! & Stay tuned!
Thanks for another great video and you have a happy healthy new year!!!
Hey. Same to you! Thanks again !
Hell yeah man! Lookin good! Happy New Year wish you the best, and excited for the new videos!
Hey. Thanks ! Really appreciate that & Happy New Year!
Yessir Jimmy was rolling in a little hot good catch 😅 I’m on the same page as you with Joe Reeves I’ve read his stuff for a number of years the man is a genuine legend.....Great video.!!!! 🙂 👍🏻👍🏻
Hey. Thanks For tuning in! Luckily he hit the sand bar, Hahaha it took us 10 minutes to get him out. Yeah I had to give J.R. method a shot. I think its gonna be good. Thanks again & Happy New Year!
The timing method is working just fine it looks like to me. Wish I was there with my welder. I've pulled broken bolts out of countless blocks, radiators, and many other things by welding a nut onto the broke off bolt. To be honest the more flush broke off it was the easier they came out. The heat would penetrate further and break the corrosion bond. Good Luck!!!
Hey. Yeah I have a harbor freight welder but I never had any luck with that. I always ended up with a bigger mess. Hahaha Thanks & Happy New Year!
See if you can borrow a mig welder and hold a nut in front of the broken bolt , fill inside of nut with weld and wrench out the broken stud welded to the nut. The heat generated by welding will loosen the seized stud. Works every time for me. Great Video!
Hey. Yeah I've done that with my Harbor Freight welder back in the day. Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy New Year! & Stay tuned !
HappyNew Year..enjoying the journey👍
Hey. That makes one of us! Hahahaa Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Thanks for another instructive and entertaining video 50 sounds tropical to me 😂 it was 14 last night here in Illinois. I use the Randy method for WOT timing. Put it on a trailer with one of the 2 plug wires removed Start it put it in forward slow don't advance the throttle (carbs) just the ignition base until it hits full stop and observe your timing. Adjust as necessary because while cranking the electronics may advance it you have to check it warm under load IMHO
Hey. Thanks. Yeah 70 is cold around here. Hahaha. I've heard of the Randy method but cant find nothing on it. Thanks. Really appreciate you watching and commenting. Happy New Year! & Stay Tuned!
Broken bolt on stuff is fun. Allot of patients and the right tools. Allot of folks think torch them until they are glowing but you can't on aluminum or you'll warp the head. Drilling the stud out and tapping is about your only way to get these out when flush or below surface. Center punch and drill straight till all that's left is the threads then use a tap to remove the old threads. Some folks use a drill guide. Not the way you want to spend your day but so rewarding when its fixed👍
Yep. Thats what I ended up doing today. FunFunFun! Hahaha Happy New Year!
Holy crap! I thought that guy was going to bounce off your boat! He missed. Proof that 2021 is looking better already! Happy new year bud. Looking forward to another great year of this old outboard!
Yeah he's an idiot. Hahaha Happy new year and thanks again !
Haven't seen you for a while thanks for the video again
Welcome back! Happy New Year !
Hope all is well down there. Happy New year buddy.
Hey. Alls well. Happy New Year!
Wish you the best TOO may you have a very happy new years, thanks for your videos and the tips you've given myself personally on my johnson project. Stay safe and keep your awesome channel going my friend. Once again have a happy new years
Hey man. Happy New Year! Thanks for hangin in there with me. Keep it safe!
Nice video! I have a 1994 40hp johnson i'am working on. I need to try this timing method on mine. Thanks for the fun videos! Happy new year!
Hey Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy New Year! Stay tuned !
curious if you tried it and if it worked? I have a 91.
@@vb9300 it did work for my 1994.
Wow you called it.. Thanks for the insight.
Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Just drilled out and tapped a couple bolts on Corvair engine. Goin to do that timing on an old 40 I have. Happy new yeat
Hey. Thanks for tuning in & Happy New Year!
When removing stubborn bolts back the bolt out very little then tighten very little then back it out a little more . Keep doing that pattern and that will prevent the bolt from stripping or locking up by releasing the dirt from the threads.IT WORKS!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! And the advice! Stay tuned !
I cringed expecting to see it break, which it did, because he wasn't doing it that way which works much more often than not.
happy new year buddy
Hey man. Happy New Year! Thanks
Happy new year !
Hey Thanks. Happy New Year! Thanks for tuning in!
Shit I jumped when that socket slipped good video man happy new year
Hahaha. Thanks for tuning in & Happy New Year!
Broken Bolts,, Had the same trouble on a Evinrude 25,, Broke both center bolts, no nub like yours,, Used mig welder to build up bolt stud,, welded nut to nub,,, Had to heat the hell out of aluminum around bolt with Oxygen / Acetylene,, ( Small tip ) and after several failures and starting over I finally got them broke pain in the ass bolts out,,, Never seized new bolts,,,, Good Times
Yeah, my biggest fear! Hate it. Thanks for watching and Happy New Year! Stay tuned !
it's the real life saga....baybeeee. I now say this about three times a day :). Happy New Years brotha
Hahahaa! If I'm lying I'm dying. Best comment yet! Thanks & Happy New Year!
Chris King1 second ago
I have a 1994 johnson 50hp j50tlere. I am putting a tiller handle on it. On the tiller handle there is a round rubber plug with one (black wire) female in it and a second black wire with a round terminal. I think they are for the kill switch? On the motor there is a half circle ruber plug with a black wire and what looks to be a lite brown wire. Do you know were thay go or could you look at your?
Hey thanks for tuning in. Black-ground, black/yellow-kill. Brown or tan usually for the buzzer/alarm that's mounted in the remote controls. So that would be eliminated with a tiller. Here's a bunch of schematics, should help. Thanks again !
www.google.com/search?q=johnson+outboard+wiring+diagram+pdf&tbm=isch&hl=en&chips=q:johnson+outboard+wiring+diagram+pdf,g_1:50+hp:fLzRMKeqOro%3D&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS994US994&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAorqKp-_8AhVGJd8KHRYmCGgQ4lYoAXoECAEQJw&biw=1519&bih=760
That dog turd dust can be a bad thing lol funny thing is I never knew how much chickens loved dog poop until we got some. Merry Christmas 🎁
Hahaha. Thanks again & Happy New Year!
Thanks for video! I have same motor but Evinrude. I had to take the spark advance/throttle lever cam off to clean it because the front wouldn’t separate from the back. Worked great then gummed up again.
Cleaned it again today but now stops about a 1/4” from stop at WOT. You reckon I need a new spring or maybe it’s gummed/needs lube under the flywheel?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Hard to say without looking at it. It wouldn't hurt to check/clean everything. What about the cable, maybe needs some adjustment too. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Would this be the same procedure for a 1984 50 horse Johnson ?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. It should, just follow the instructions. Thanks again & Stay tuned ! forums.iboats.com/threads/joe-reeves-wot-timing-procedure-verified.225947/
Yes sir. I haven't seen that yet!
Thanks !
Love your channel. Maybe you can help me. I bought a used boat that came with a 1990 Johnson 40 hp VRO. It was rebuilt. Had the local marina tune it up this summer and they said it was in good shape. New plugs. I am up here in Michigan. Went out the other day and no problems. Yesterday couldn’t get it started. Seems like it might have been flooded. I took the plugs out and they looked clean. Today it started, but I had to manually fully choke it to get it started. Once started it was okay. Was 31 degrees today. Seems like might be a carburetor issue, but can that be temperature related. Is there any additive to the gas I should be using. Once she is running it appears clean as not a lot of smoke only at startup so oil gas mixture seems good. Any advice would be appreciated.
Hey. Thanks. I've never tried to start a motor in 31 degree weather I live in florida. Hahaha. You may have flooded it or not. Did the plugs look wet when you checked them? When you couldn't start it, did you use the primer bulb, and before you had to manually choke it the next day? What is Manually Choke? Should pump the primer bulb up until its hard before every first start and fill the carb bowls. Always hit the choke a little to prime it up until it fires. Check those plugs, wet or dry? Wet = Flooded, Dry = no fuel to plugs. Make sure the vent on the tank is open too. It should smoke a little extra at startup from the choke. When its that cold the diaphragm in the fuel pump is probably stiff as a board. May need to replace it. I don't know about any additives for cold weather. Maybe check with Kodibass on that, he lives in Alaska. If it ran good after it was warmed up, I think it was just cold as hell and hard to start, not unusual. It's a little different than summer time startup and you'll know what she likes after a few times. Just finesse her. Curious to know how it goes. Thanks again & Happy New Year!
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 I took the cover off and opened the choke manually all the way. Steelhead are running in the rivers, so will try to start the New Year off with another try tomorrow
@@jamesclancy8536 Dont you use the key start to choke it?
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 Isn’t the start key the primer. That’s what the manual says. After you prime the bulb on the gas tank it says to push the key in to prime when starting. After I took the cover off I pushed the lever connected to the carburetor all the way down and that is how it started. I am not very mechanically inclined but it seemed to work so I was happy I got off the water.
@@jamesclancy8536 Ok, using the wrong lingo here. When I said choke I mean primer. There are no physical choke butterflies. So what you did was open the throttle all the way, which gave it more air so it probably was flooded. Make sure the red handle on the primer solenoid is set straight, if its turned it will flood the motor. Its for emergency starting when its turned open. The fast start lever on the remote will open the throttle up. When you "prime" it by pushing the key in as its cranking, be careful not to hold it to long or it will flood out. Hope you catch some fish!
Did I see you using one of the Harbor Freight 110v electric impact wrenches? Might help if you have one or borrow one.
No no no, to much force on those little bolts. They need to be finessed out! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 is
I like to tighten bolts and then start trying to loosen them. Some times it works JT
I'll have to give it a shot sometime. Happy New Year!
My initials are JR also stands for Jerry Reeves lol
Thanks for tuning in!
Where exactly do you connect the timing light? What is the red clamp on cylinder 1 connected to? I am not clear on all the wires. Thanks
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Here's the procedure. forums.iboats.com/threads/joe-reeves-wot-timing-procedure-verified.225947/
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1thank you. So the spark tester with 7/16” gap goes to plug one along with timing light?
@@dangerman7231 yep!
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1Thank you
More dumb questions. Sorry. The red clamp on the spark tester is attached to what? My timing light has both red and black leads (plus clamp for wire). I assume i put the timing light red and black on battery. Sorry. My first time.
Ima take your advice on not inhaling any dog turd dust. I laughed out loud.
Hahaha! Thanks for tuning in!
Your camper park including dock and lake is heavan on earth for the committed! Are the out boards too noisy in your carport?
Hey. Hahaha! so far it hasn't been a problem!
Which plug wire did you put the light on
Hey. No. 1. Thanks !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 is that the top plug
@@cgchrisgaver yes!
Why is wire clap on spark plug ?
So the timing light works. Thanks for tuning in!
Try using a dremel to make a screw driver slot in those stuck broken screws.
Thanks again !
Happy New Year...
Invest in you a Milwaukee 3/8 drive impact gun....
Yeah. Maybe next christmas. Thanks for tuning in & Happy New Year!
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 when I get you one here in the next couple of weeks I will ask for your address ( on PM through FB) I will mail it to you!!
If the piece that broke off for pisser on 40 screws in you could heat up a straight blade screwdriver and sink into plastic to screw out this is what I do for broke off radiator drain.
Yeah it does. Thanks. I think I'm going to snap it off and tap it with a brass fitting?? Thanks for tuning in & Happy New Year!
The same thing happened my 55hp. I used some brake pipe, heated one end and pushed into the plastic. Removed pope again, added some ptf tape and pushed back in. Works perfect. I would've replaced the part but the postage costs to the U.K are ridiculous. That's the main problem I have with owning a johnson as they all seem to be in the usa
Don't mean to be a Mr. Negative here but I thought the Joe Reeves method had you place the lower unit in the run position ?
Hey. Thanks for watching and commenting. Here's the J.R method straight from the horses mouth ! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
www.marineengine.com/boat-forum/archive/index.php/t-454594.html
Did you compare methods?
No. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Ya, always seems plastic and rubber parts eventually harden and break. Not telling you anything you didn’t already know.
Thanks for tuning in & Happy New Year!
Not enough heat on those bolts unless you edited it out for the video. Keep a map gas torch on that bolt for ten minutes or so repeating the process sometimes three more times if need be till it comes right out have to be real patient. I hate breakin screws just like you so I spend the time .Very rarely break any once in a blue moon otherwise typical outboard crap,LOLL... Oh I tried the free Filmora Editor you recommended was Okay except for the huge Watermark covering the screen was ridiculous. Anyway Ill have to buy one soon and stop being so cheap!!..... Happy New Years! Glenn
Yes the magic of editing. Hahahaa. Sounds good! Happy New Year!
Hi. I believe. Daselbee the commander has never seen an advance of w.o.t. timing caused by r.p.m. And the CD or pulse coil. Bill
Thanks for tuning in!
Do the wot at full throttle on the water !
okay. Thanks again for tuning in!
I love you both me and I have one like it 65 48 horse Johnson on it😊
Hey. Cool man. Thanks for tuning in. Happy New Year!
how are you doing
Groovy baby!
S*** in a storm like that you might not need and how bored you need to sale LOL
Haha Thanks for watching !
I did not try the 2500 rpm method.
Thanks !
chisel hot knives?
Hey Capt. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah! Hahaha. Stay tuned !
You'll break less off using an impact
Hey Kurt. Thanks for watching and commenting! Stay tuned !
if it ain't broke don't fix it lol
Hahaha Thats what I always say! Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy New Year!
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 same to you all the best
i actually snort dog turd dust
Hahaha Happy New Year!
are you still on line. need advice
Hey. What's up?
thanks what was the degree setting at wot
@@robl6570 On this 40 year/model 19 degrees BTC so at cranking speed it would be set at 4 degrees less being 15 BTC -
www.marineengine.com/boat-forum/threads/the-joe-reeves-method-ignition-timing-setting.454594/
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 thank you allot. videos very helpful