As a live audio engineer, I really appreciate that more bands are using IEMs with no cabs or stage wedges making my mix lower in volume because now I'm just mixing around the kit and nothing else. I do appreciate that IEMs sound synthetic because now you're really isolated from the room/stage ambience and sounds unnatural. I've never tried it but, always wondered, what if you add two more channels to your IEM rig for omni mics that you position halfway towards the front of the stage on either side and pan to you're POV and mix those into your monitor mixes so you get stage and some of the audience in your ears. Most likely HPF-ing the low end out so you wouldn't get any low end mumble.
I thought the same thing and I have tried it. Room mics get too far out of phase to really help and make things worse especially for singers, once you add the latency of the digital console plus the wireless IEMs you are almost 180 degrees out of phase. Adding room mics would add to the lack of phase coherency and the loss of low end and frequency masking. Their are even semi-open back IEMs like the westone ambisonic iems but they introduce the same issue since the signal you feel in your skull from singing is immediate but the IEM signal is up to 4 to 8 millisecond behind. To solve these issues I normally flip the phase/polarity on a singers mic and that way it doesn't get masked as badly. It seems to fix the issue of singers saying they can't hear themselves 9 times out of 10. We stopped using digital mixers about 8 months ago in favor of just using an app called mainstage that lets us use thunderbolt audio interfaces as our inputs with the lowest latency possible and any plugin that is low latency. We get better latency results under 3 milliseconds roundtrip from input to the IEM wireless box. When using the X32 we would have up to 8 or 9 milliseconds and the presonus was even worse at 11 when using more than 16 channels. Most of these lower cost digital mixers run at 48 kilohertz sampling rate which increases latency but our new setup can run 20 inputs at 96 kilohertz lowering the latency by more than half. We mostly use the brainworx BX console plugins and some from since they are zero latency channelstrips and give us all the tools we need plus I can use more than one EQ or compressor if I need it. It also allows us all to use guitar amp plugins and virtual keyboards on one machine and Apple Mac Studio with the M1Ultra chip. We have even did our first computer based gigs on my 16 inch M1 Max Macbook pro but the extra ports on the Mac Studio mac it even easier. Our whole rig is pretty small now and if I could just get the drummer to convert his kit to a mesh head trigger kit we could have a silent stage volume and never have drum bleed into our vocal mics. HAHAHA!! But to create a sense of space we have been using a simple room reverb called Valhalla Room on an aux that is only in our IEMs, it has no pre-delay with just some early reflections and widened. So its very short and adds some punch to the IEM. This helps a ton. It wouldn't work with mono IEM monitors since the reverb would be cancelled in the mono sum, but with stereo IEM systems it is perfect. It feels like being in a small room together. Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting!! Have a great day!!
@@joesalyers Wow, that's quite a phase variance. A&H's SQ5 runs at 96k but with it's I/O might not be enough for some band setups. You could always get a stage box for extra inputs but, that starts to get pricey when you select the 96k capable version.
@@hunkydory419 The Allen and Heath is 96K up to 16 inputs but cuts down to 48K when you use over 16 inputs. I looked at the SQ6 and considered it until I found out this issue. I also considered the Midas Heritage HD96 until I saw the real price! At $36,000 price tag its too high, when you can get the more processing power from thunderbolt interfaces and a M1 Max Macbook Pro. or even a cheaper M2 Mac Mini. Our setup needed needed 20 inputs and at least 12 to 14 outputs for live shows. So I went with the interface option and the total cost was around for the i/o was under $2000. But yea I considered the A&H for a time and even looked at Waves Soundgrid (it was even more expensive than the midas) So I tried some other options that really worked out well for us!! Cheers!
@@joesalyers Just one more question. Which interface/pre-amps are you using with your new rig? All I see are interfaces and no more stand alone ADAT pre-amp units. Unless you're ganging multiple interfaces together via SMUX.
@@hunkydory419 It's just the Antelope audio orion studio synergy core I picked up used, with 2 Behringer ada8200s ADAT units. Yes it's S/MUX. The Orion has 12 preamps and at 96K the 2 ADA8200s give me 8 more inputs. for 20 in and 24 out at 96K.
I had to giggle when you said how there are probably more rack mounted mounted units sold than conventional mixers from Presonus. Aside from your video (Which is awesome BTW. I learned a lot.) I’ve found diddly squat on tutorials/reviews of the rack mount versions being used with UC Surface. I bought a 32r for my studio and a 16r for my keyboards for live shows. I love them, but it took me forever to figure them out. Not the overall concept, but little details that got in the way. Like I said, your video here helped me out a lot. Thank you! Much appreciated!
I always figure more of the rack units were sold because they are cheaper with the same functionality LOL and like most musicians we are mostly poor LOL Cheers!!!!
@@joesalyers Yeah, I get it. I just wish there were more vids (like yours) out there to get folks like me going quicker. Although, I guess I could get off my ass and read the manual. 😆 But, there’s something about watching someone explain/demonstrate a thing to make stuff crystal clear. Anyway, enough of my ranting. 😆 Thanks!
Hi , Im very interested in this mixer for my 4 piece pub rock band. Just checking that it can be used as the main and only mixer? obvioulsy connected to a device to control it, which is my other question if the have a wireless router plugged into it, I can use my Ipad to stand in the FOH and make wireless adjustments to the mix correct?? great vid thanks
I'm a guitarist and yea someone has to do so I would rather it just be me that way I get exactly what I want in my mix!! 😂🤣Its a pretty good mixer but their are better options on the market to be honest. I still have it but we shifted to a completely different type of setup with a Thunderbolt audio interface 2 ADAT extender boxes and we use Apple's Mainstage App as the mixer all running on an M2 Pro Mac Mini with a small touch screen and I can have iPad control as well with the Logic Remote app. This new way is not a simple but I can just use any plugin that is low latency and have tools that most mixers don't have at all, like a good De-esser or adding Tape to the drum mics to make them feel more punchy and powerful or really nice reverbs and delays. But as a stand-alone mixer the Presonus has a ton of features and is built like a tank so you can't go wrong with it!!
Thank you for watching, I know it's a very long and drawn out video of me talking about my experience with it, but it has been a really good piece of gear for my live rig!! Thanks again for watching.
if you contact presonus they are lightly to implement your suggestions as that's the way they work. especially as you clearly know what your talking about.
Thanks for that info I will send them my thoughts on this. I think they could speed up the workflow a little bit with some UI changes. But otherwise it's a great mixer! Thanks for watching!
@@joesalyers thanks for the update. I’ll tell you what your video is amazing …so much detail. Thank you for that. I’m thinking about getting one of these devices. Do you still recommend it today?
@@Faithaven It's a good mixer for the money and it has its drawbacks as well. The price has increased quiet a bit since I purchased the 24R. But it is a solid all around mixer with a ton of features. There isn't anything that has the same sorts of features at the price. I would recommend it if you want a solid and reliable mixer for live shows. Cheers!!
The Effects like delay & reverb aren't as good as the XR18 but everything else is better. I really like the 24r I purchased and it's a workhorse! Thanks for watching!
Tengo un 16r , y cuando tengo una mezcla auxiliar en stereo link para mi monitoreo personal, los canales de entrada enlazados stereo se escuchan monófonicos, eso sucede con las 32r?
Usé google translate así que espero que esto sea correcto. Debe asegurarse de que el pan estéreo esté configurado en ancho. Tuve el mismo problema, pero solo la panorámica está configurada en mono
my 32r is givinG me a WILD distorted sound, and LOW levels for every input. do you know anythinG about this?/ how to fix? i did all the obvious firmware/ driver/ UC updates. please help, somebody.. anybody!
Did you call presonus about it? They will help you if you get in touch with them. Also try switching the sampling rate from 44.1 to 48K and do a hard reset of the mixer and see if that fixes the issue. If not contact presonus, they should be able to help you narrow down the issue. Thanks for watching.
Sadly no only a few more and better channel thumbnail pictures, the processing ideas can't because the processing power for these mixers is pretty much maxed out already so new features would be almost impossible to add to the current hardware, but I have talked to presonus about some of the things I would like to see in a future product and they seemed to like a couple of my ideas! Thanks for watching Cheers!
It does and works great, but if your Mac doesn’t have an Ethernet port you have to use 2 adapters to make it work. So the Mac Studio & Mac mini are fine but if you have a Mac laptop you need a thunderbolt 2 to Ethernet adapter and a thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter. A usb-c to Ethernet will NOT work since AVB requires pci lanes and only thunderbolt can provide this on the Apple laptops. Apple needs to make a thunderbolt 3/4 to Ethernet adapter so you don’t have to use 2 adapters. OWC also as a single thunderbolt dock that is $349 that has a AVB compliant Ethernet port and it’s the only one no other thunderbolt dock will support AVB. But the easy way is to get a desktop Mac or you need the 2 Apple adapters for the laptops.I hope that answers your question. If you need more information just let me know. Cheers!
The SD CARD records a stereo track but for Multitrack recording you use the USB to your Mac, with Logic or presonus Capture which is free. Over USB it will will record multitrack up to 24 tracks.Thanks for watching!! If you have anymore questions let me know!
Hi! Since you use it only as an Inear box would you recomended if you were to use it as a main console on medium size live gigs? I ask because of the color of the preamps you describe as flat and dull. I am working on live audio for 2years now and am still learning. Sometimes a console just sounds right, it might have to do with the venus and other factors, but you think this could make a gig sound flat on a bad way? I was thinking on getting this one and your video is the best review of ths machine. Thank you very much!
This console is good, I just prefer other higher ohm preamps, but I have used it a live console for outdoor festivals and indoor shows as well and it works great. It sounds great and if you are coming from an analog mixer you will love the Presonus. It has everything you need to have very professional live audio. It a good value for the price and it is a great mixer for live audio. Have a great day.
I have studio live ar16 usb, bought studio live 24 rack mount hoping it would work the same way, I want it for live shows, need computer to play music thru studio live and a couple mic with effects how do I set it up that way, surface control sucks or is it just me…
The surface control is terrible with a mouse I agree but on a touch screen like an iPad or a Tablet it's not bad. But yea I wanted to make sure I understood what you wanted to do. You do want to use it as an audio interface. What most people miss is the computer outputs need to be set to outputs 37 & 38. What DAW are you using? Studio one or Reaper or something else. that way I can show you how to set it up with your DAW as well? Basically give me all the information about your setup and I will try to replicate it and make the video as close to your rig as possible. Thanks for watching!
I’m going to use my 24r live the first time to run sound and record. Have you recorded to a card? They want me to record 3 sets which is approximately 3 hours of music. Is it feasible or better to just open the daw and record to that while also running sound?
Use a laptop and Presonus Capture because the Rack models only record a 2 track stereo to the SD card not multitrack. Presonus Capture is free and will record all day long with no issues but a 4 hour practice for my band usually is about 14 to 18 gigabytes once we are done. So make sure you have the hard drive space. But we have 22 channels recording so it will be less if you use less channels. Also you can record the stereo 2 track to the SD card as well while recording multitrack over USB as a simple backup. Cheers.
@@joesalyers thank you. We are only running 10 channels. So if I understand use laptop with sound capture to get individual tracks and optional stereo 2 track. Sweet. I appreciate it. Great video btw
@@Souldoubtrocks Yep you can get The Presonus Capture App free from their website. Just do a google search for Presonus Capture for your type of computer and download it for Windows or Mac which ever you have. The Presonus Capture app will record clean & flat multitrack of each channel with NO eq or compression to your computer and the SD card will record a 2 track Master output stereo file so you can listen to the Main front of house mix that the crowd heard as a reference. Just take a few hours the day before and look at the Presonus Capture app to learn your way around, but if you have used most DAWs you will find the presonus capture app to be a nice simple multitrack recorder. Cheers and thanks for watching!! Best of luck recording your show!!
How do you eq an individual channel? I am working with a new band and I wanted my vocal to cut bass but he couldn't eq my channel, only the whole mix so my mix was to shrill. Thank you.
You just tap on the fader of the channel you want to EQ and the EQ will be in the top part of the app. It really helps to download the app, it's free for windows, mac android and ipad so grab the Presonus universal control app and look it over that way you will be more familiar with it and can make the changes yourself if you need to from the stage. Also with Mixers like this it really helps to read the manual, I know that no one likes to read those boring manuals, I know I don't like too, but it really helps to learn all the little tricks with piece of audio gear like this. Presonus also has a great videos on this mixer on their youtube channel as well. Thanks for watching!!
@@joesalyers thank you so much! It was only my 2nd show with these guys. I use the app on my iPad. I can’t beliits so simple. All that time wondering how to do it and I was staring right at it! I knew it would be simple. Thank you again. It’s not my gear and I’m the new guy.
Great video thanks. I am using The 16 R Studio live rack mixer , and recording with Logic Pro, I’m getting latency problems, I have adjusted buffer size etc, wondering if you know the best way to set this up? Is there a specific USB cable for faster connection etc? Thank you for your time
Turn off software monitoring in Logic and only use the mixer as your monitoring device when you can this is why you are most likely hearing double, this is a common issue when people move from a regular interface to a multitrack live mixer. Also make sure you are setting both the R16 and Logic Pro to 48k which will lower the latency a bit. Thanks for watching and have a great day.
Thanks for the video. So will the 32R connect via Ethernet to the computer and be controllable thru software on the computer, I guess the computer would need 2 ethernet inputs? Also what is the older OS this unit works with.
You can control it with USB or you can control it with Ethernet directly to a computer. When we use it live I connect it to a router so everyone in the band can control their headphone mix from their phone over wi-fi. It has 2 Ethernet ports but one is for controlling the mixer the other is for AVB networking which can be used to record your shows multitrack if you have a Mac and a AVB Ethernet hub but it’s easier to just record shows with Presonus’ capture app over usb and then edit it later in studio one or any other DAW. AVB sucks on windows but you can always use USB. It only works with Windows 10 or 11 and MacOS/iPad to record multitrack, it will not work on Linux as an interface. But it can be controlled from a Mac, iPhone, iPad, android tablet or android phone as well as a windows laptop. Hope this answers your questions. Cheers.
I really like your overview of the Presonus Studiolive 24R. Thank you so much for taking the time. I have a 32R. I'm a beginner mixer. If I understand your video correctly, looks like you can't apply reverb or delay to your aux outs? Is that correct? :)
@@joesalyers Perfect! That's what I needed to know. Thank you for replying. Setup one of the Aux's in Matrix Mode and it worked. Very much appreciated :)
does anyone know, with the 24r in stagebox mode, can you also run it as a usb interface ? Hook up a laptop with USB running Ableton and push output straight into it? or would I still need a seperate audio interface for the laptop?
No you can't if the 24R is used with another Presonus Mixer as a stagebox Your Laptop would have to be connected to the Main Presonus Mixer. But if the 24R is your only mixer you can use it as an interface and a mixer at the same time. But you can do this it just depends on what your setup actually is. If you could tell me what you have I could tell you exactly how to set it up.
My band still uses it for our IEM rig. There have been multiple firmware updates since I made this video. The mixer is rock solid I just don't like the Reverbs they sound underwhelming to me but everything else is good. Thanks for watching!
@@season7507 External plugins require an app and a computer since the Presonus mixer can only use the plugins that com on the device. But for live sound you could use something like Apple's Mainstage or gigperformer, or the Waves soundgrid system. But you can't run the plugins on the studiolive itself. The only plugins that work on the Presonus studiolive are the Presonus Fatchannel plugins. Cheers.
No you will need a second device, computer/iPad or some other machine, the studiolive mixer can not playback tracks on it's own. It's just a digital console & audio interface. Thanks for watching!
It would be nice if there was a way to switch between the two easily. I tried what you said but it does not change on the iPad or desktop app to the fat channel overview page. If I'm missing something about this could you make a video explaining what how it works and leave a comment on this video so I can pin it for others to see how it works because I can't get it to switch. Thank you for your comment.
Great video with lots of useful information! I’m currently using the Studiolive 16R as an audio interface in my home studio, but I’m having trouble outputting the sound of my DAW to the 16R. I want to be able to hear the click and other recorded tracks in my DAW as I record but I can’t figure out how to hear my DAW output for the life of me. I also have an Apollo twin which I use but I’m also using the 16R to be able to record more than two tracks at a time (drums). Do you happen to know of a solution? I am on a MacBook Pro and running Ableton currently. Thank you.
I don’t use Ableton but I can tell you that you have to read the manual and it will give you clear directions on how to set this up, on the 24r the DAW return channels are 31-32 and that channel must be set as a USB input on channel 31/32 and in the input matrix in the settings. The 32r 24r and16r are each different so grab the manual and it will guide you through it step by step. Cheers.
@@joesalyers Yeah it doesn’t even have anything to do with ableton because I’m not getting any audio from CZcams or anything else on my computer to come through the 16R
@@taylorperkins6089 In the patch bay in setting (the block diagrams) choose the channel you want as the output and change it to USB then change that channels’ input to USB by clicking on the wheel next to where you name the channel) then change the settings of MacOS and ableton to the 16R. The 24R and the 16 R have different configurations so I can’t tell you what exact channel the USB daw return channel is but mine is 31 and 32 so I have those channels set to have there input as USB. You have to configure the mixer to have a USB input from the computer in the 16R patch bay. Cheers.
@@joesalyers Awesome, I was able to select channels 1-2 to input usb and now able to hear my DAW/computer. I could only get it to pull up on channels 1 and 2 for whatever reason. Tried patching the usb to different channels but couldn’t get any of them to do so other than the fx returns. I guess this means I can’t use channels 1-2 to record audio bc I’m monitoring my DAW through those channels? Either way, this works good enough to be able to record some drums! I can’t thank you enough for your help. Will be following you and sharing your videos. You rock!
@@taylorperkins6089 Glad I could help, I knew the 16R was different because of its smaller size but I didn't know exactly which channels were the DAW returns by default. But since I haven't used the 16R I wasn't sure how to explain in a comment how to patch it in. The Presonus mixers have more features the higher you go. Like the 32R has a total of 64 channels 32 analog and 32 virtual while my 24R is is a 48 channel with 24 analog and 24 virtual. So each one has a few feature differences. You could just make inputs 1 & 2 and output them to channels 17 and 18 in the universal control mixer and still use them. Just set it up in the patchbay and on your mixer. Cheers!!!
@@joesalyers oke thanks just aux and VCA rights. So it just normaly console like in general. I mean if it have stem / sub grup, i can mix for Stem, then can send it to the auxilary and to the LR.
@@agasetyo Yep you can you just have to send the tracks to the aux and turn off the output to the main L/R on the channels and they will sum in the aux then to the main L/R master buss.
No lo hago, pero el sitio web de la presonus tiene el manual que está en español. Gracias por mirar! Usé un traductor, así que espero que las palabras sean correctas.
There is not any digital mixers that have a DAW built in that I know of, but the Presonus Rack Mount models do have a Stereo 2-track recorder built in that can record to an SD Card. Also you could use the Free Presonus Capture App with an iPad, Laptop, or Desktop Computer to record multitrack audio easily. Also Presonus Studio One Artist comes with this mixer Free so you could use that if you want a full DAW to record the audio with. Studio One will also transfer your mixer settings (EQ, compression, gate/expander from the Fat Channel) to the Studio One DAW and you can change them later if you want. So the StudioLive Mixers have multiple options for recording. Thanks for watching!
I don't use Window but I could do a video on how to use it as a stand alone mixer. The Universal Control App is exactly the same if you are on Windows or Mac or iPad. So let me get the right you don't want to use it as an audio interface you just want to use it as a mixer for a band, right? Because using it as a stand alone mixer means it is only being controlled by windows and not as an audio interface for windows. If so I can make that video for you since the control app is the same across all devices. Let me know in detail what you want to know. Thanks for watching.
I simply want to bypass UC and use studio one for my Q mixes and FX. This fat channel is limited. All I need is more xlr inputs. I have external preamps, so no need for the presonus ones.
You can't bypass Qmix-uc because the studiolive is a DSP based converter but if you want something that has enough inputs for the same money look at the Presonus Quantum 4848 which is $1400. The 4848 is great I use 2 of them with a 48 channel Soundcraft MH-2 console so I can use the mic pres and EQs along with my outboard gear during tracking. The 4848 has 32 inputs and outputs on DB-25 so you can have XLR inputs or 1/4 inch inputs. The latency is so low with the quantum 4848 that you won't notice it. Also you can daisy chain multiple quantum's together if you ever want more inputs and outputs. Thanks for watching.
@@joesalyers Thanks! So I can have 32 mics plugged into my separate analog preamps ( UA 610, BAE, Neve etc) then routed to patchbay that has xlr to DB25 then hooked into the inputs on the 4848? and 48 hz, low latency ...?
@@agesonjohanesburg2915 the 4848 can run up to 192khz I use mine at 96k for tracking just to avoid aliasing. But yes look up the Quantum 4848 it's a powerful interface in a 1U Rack unit. 32 mics from outboard mic preamps and no need for a patchbay since the 4848 functions as a patchbay as well and you can do the routing in your DAW. I have each channel of my 4848 setup to be exactly where I want it and I just pull up that channel when I need it from my console. But you have endless options with the 4848. It's not USB but most modern computers have Thunderbolt which has significantly lower latency and the ability to write directly to disk without the overhead of CPU calls that USB has. The interface has DB25 so you would only need DB25 to XLR or balanced 1/4 inch (which ever you prefer) and come out of your preamps to the quantum 4848. Just look up the Presonus Quantum 4848 it's the best interface for the price range.
@@joesalyers Awesome! Why the heck do i have 2 scarlets then ugh. If budget not an issue, whats best 32 xlr interface as per above? UA Orion? Im going to run it to studio one. Thx again
HAHA Yea that was one of my first thoughts was, I wish there were more usable icons, they have a crying emoji but only one electric guitar, it makes no sense. It's a great mixer but it could use some small adjustments. But overall I am very happy with it! Thanks for watching!!
You must be an expert with mixing. My basic sound 12 channel mixer doesn’t have all these goodies. How will you remember how to setup each different band 🤔?
You can save each gig or band as a preset and when you go back you can just click a button and it goes right back to where it was before. Thanks for watching!!!
Not just AVB but also USB 2.0 up to 24 inputs can run up to 96K but anything over 24 inputs & outputs on USB 2.0 has the limitation of 48K, where as Firewire (which ran up to 96K on the previous models) as well as higher bandwidth options like USB 3.0 or higher and thunderbolt are not limited in the same way. I wish Presonus would just make all in one solutions like this as audio interfaces as well that could support higher sampling rates. But for the price it's a great digital mixer. Thanks for watching! Have a great day.
@@bighornaudioproductions6104That's a good idea, It should be optional and it would make it a great live mixer experience because higher sampling rates equal lower latency overall and more phase coherency for things like drums.
It has nothing to do with bandwidth and everything to do with speed and latency for using other digital processing in the chain. So compared to the setup we use now that is thunderbolt at 96K. The Presonus at best could only get down to about 10.8 milliseconds at a usable buffer of 128 since its USB 2. compared to our new setup that gets 4.3 millisecond with a 256 buffer. I can mix 24 input channels with 5 IEM mixes and 2 floor monitors in Apple's Mainstage with less latency than the internal latency on the Presonus. That is why 96K matters. But it has nothing to do with bandwidth whatsoever. Most new digital mixers that have been made in the last 5 years have a 96K option, even presonus had the RM mixer with 96K but the limitations of USB 2 forced them to 48K since that is the only way for capture to record 64 channel over USB. Because I spoke to 3 engineers at Presonus about why they lowered the sampling rate from 96K on the studiolive RM and series 2 to 48K on the series 3. So its not always about the bandwidth of 96K but the speed and latency.
@@joesalyers 96k uses twice as much processing power... you're putting more of a toll on something you wont even here and frankly will cause more latency.
@@andrewj.682 No Problem. Its a good mixer if you just want to use it as a mixer and nothing else, but if you wanted to experiment with using plugins like auto-tune or amp sims live then the Presonus Studiolive isn't the platform. Allen & heath's new CQ or the Yamaha DM series are better options with half the latency penalty. Also on the processing power, yes 96K will use about 20% more CPU power from a computer compared to 48K but with Modern Apple ARM M1/2/3/4 chips and Newer Intel chips this isn't a real issue that would be a problem with core counts on Laptops starting at 8 and going up from there, in the days of 2 & 4 core CPUs around 2012 to 2016 it was a issue simply because there wasn't enough horsepower in those machines but now a basic Macbook Air has an 8 core CPU with no fan and can run a 24x24 channel live gig for 5 or 6 hours with no issues at 96K. But no big deal my friend, I get things wrong all the time but that is how we all learn new things, have a great day! Cheers!
As a live audio engineer, I really appreciate that more bands are using IEMs with no cabs or stage wedges making my mix lower in volume because now I'm just mixing around the kit and nothing else. I do appreciate that IEMs sound synthetic because now you're really isolated from the room/stage ambience and sounds unnatural. I've never tried it but, always wondered, what if you add two more channels to your IEM rig for omni mics that you position halfway towards the front of the stage on either side and pan to you're POV and mix those into your monitor mixes so you get stage and some of the audience in your ears. Most likely HPF-ing the low end out so you wouldn't get any low end mumble.
I thought the same thing and I have tried it. Room mics get too far out of phase to really help and make things worse especially for singers, once you add the latency of the digital console plus the wireless IEMs you are almost 180 degrees out of phase. Adding room mics would add to the lack of phase coherency and the loss of low end and frequency masking. Their are even semi-open back IEMs like the westone ambisonic iems but they introduce the same issue since the signal you feel in your skull from singing is immediate but the IEM signal is up to 4 to 8 millisecond behind. To solve these issues I normally flip the phase/polarity on a singers mic and that way it doesn't get masked as badly. It seems to fix the issue of singers saying they can't hear themselves 9 times out of 10.
We stopped using digital mixers about 8 months ago in favor of just using an app called mainstage that lets us use thunderbolt audio interfaces as our inputs with the lowest latency possible and any plugin that is low latency. We get better latency results under 3 milliseconds roundtrip from input to the IEM wireless box. When using the X32 we would have up to 8 or 9 milliseconds and the presonus was even worse at 11 when using more than 16 channels. Most of these lower cost digital mixers run at 48 kilohertz sampling rate which increases latency but our new setup can run 20 inputs at 96 kilohertz lowering the latency by more than half. We mostly use the brainworx BX console plugins and some from since they are zero latency channelstrips and give us all the tools we need plus I can use more than one EQ or compressor if I need it. It also allows us all to use guitar amp plugins and virtual keyboards on one machine and Apple Mac Studio with the M1Ultra chip. We have even did our first computer based gigs on my 16 inch M1 Max Macbook pro but the extra ports on the Mac Studio mac it even easier. Our whole rig is pretty small now and if I could just get the drummer to convert his kit to a mesh head trigger kit we could have a silent stage volume and never have drum bleed into our vocal mics. HAHAHA!!
But to create a sense of space we have been using a simple room reverb called Valhalla Room on an aux that is only in our IEMs, it has no pre-delay with just some early reflections and widened. So its very short and adds some punch to the IEM. This helps a ton. It wouldn't work with mono IEM monitors since the reverb would be cancelled in the mono sum, but with stereo IEM systems it is perfect. It feels like being in a small room together.
Cheers and thanks for watching and commenting!! Have a great day!!
@@joesalyers Wow, that's quite a phase variance. A&H's SQ5 runs at 96k but with it's I/O might not be enough for some band setups. You could always get a stage box for extra inputs but, that starts to get pricey when you select the 96k capable version.
@@hunkydory419 The Allen and Heath is 96K up to 16 inputs but cuts down to 48K when you use over 16 inputs. I looked at the SQ6 and considered it until I found out this issue. I also considered the Midas Heritage HD96 until I saw the real price! At $36,000 price tag its too high, when you can get the more processing power from thunderbolt interfaces and a M1 Max Macbook Pro. or even a cheaper M2 Mac Mini. Our setup needed needed 20 inputs and at least 12 to 14 outputs for live shows. So I went with the interface option and the total cost was around for the i/o was under $2000. But yea I considered the A&H for a time and even looked at Waves Soundgrid (it was even more expensive than the midas) So I tried some other options that really worked out well for us!! Cheers!
@@joesalyers Just one more question. Which interface/pre-amps are you using with your new rig? All I see are interfaces and no more stand alone ADAT pre-amp units. Unless you're ganging multiple interfaces together via SMUX.
@@hunkydory419 It's just the Antelope audio orion studio synergy core I picked up used, with 2 Behringer ada8200s ADAT units. Yes it's S/MUX. The Orion has 12 preamps and at 96K the 2 ADA8200s give me 8 more inputs. for 20 in and 24 out at 96K.
I had to giggle when you said how there are probably more rack mounted mounted units sold than conventional mixers from Presonus. Aside from your video (Which is awesome BTW. I learned a lot.) I’ve found diddly squat on tutorials/reviews of the rack mount versions being used with UC Surface. I bought a 32r for my studio and a 16r for my keyboards for live shows. I love them, but it took me forever to figure them out. Not the overall concept, but little details that got in the way. Like I said, your video here helped me out a lot. Thank you! Much appreciated!
I always figure more of the rack units were sold because they are cheaper with the same functionality LOL and like most musicians we are mostly poor LOL Cheers!!!!
@@joesalyers Yeah, I get it. I just wish there were more vids (like yours) out there to get folks like me going quicker. Although, I guess I could get off my ass and read the manual. 😆 But, there’s something about watching someone explain/demonstrate a thing to make stuff crystal clear. Anyway, enough of my ranting. 😆 Thanks!
Hi , Im very interested in this mixer for my 4 piece pub rock band. Just checking that it can be used as the main and only mixer? obvioulsy connected to a device to control it, which is my other question if the have a wireless router plugged into it, I can use my Ipad to stand in the FOH and make wireless adjustments to the mix correct?? great vid thanks
LMAO.. I'm here because I'm the drummer running sound for my band. XD
I'm a guitarist and yea someone has to do so I would rather it just be me that way I get exactly what I want in my mix!! 😂🤣Its a pretty good mixer but their are better options on the market to be honest. I still have it but we shifted to a completely different type of setup with a Thunderbolt audio interface 2 ADAT extender boxes and we use Apple's Mainstage App as the mixer all running on an M2 Pro Mac Mini with a small touch screen and I can have iPad control as well with the Logic Remote app. This new way is not a simple but I can just use any plugin that is low latency and have tools that most mixers don't have at all, like a good De-esser or adding Tape to the drum mics to make them feel more punchy and powerful or really nice reverbs and delays. But as a stand-alone mixer the Presonus has a ton of features and is built like a tank so you can't go wrong with it!!
Thanks for the insight on these. really appreciate all the effort.
Thank you for watching, I know it's a very long and drawn out video of me talking about my experience with it, but it has been a really good piece of gear for my live rig!! Thanks again for watching.
if you contact presonus they are lightly to implement your suggestions as that's the way they work. especially as you clearly know what your talking about.
Thanks for that info I will send them my thoughts on this. I think they could speed up the workflow a little bit with some UI changes. But otherwise it's a great mixer! Thanks for watching!
@@joesalyers did personas ever reply to you
@@Faithaven No they sold to Fender shortly after this. Cheers!
@@joesalyers thanks for the update. I’ll tell you what your video is amazing …so much detail. Thank you for that. I’m thinking about getting one of these devices. Do you still recommend it today?
@@Faithaven It's a good mixer for the money and it has its drawbacks as well. The price has increased quiet a bit since I purchased the 24R. But it is a solid all around mixer with a ton of features. There isn't anything that has the same sorts of features at the price. I would recommend it if you want a solid and reliable mixer for live shows. Cheers!!
very helpful as I have an XR 18 and am about to upgrade to the 32r .
The Effects like delay & reverb aren't as good as the XR18 but everything else is better. I really like the 24r I purchased and it's a workhorse! Thanks for watching!
me too...saving my pennies!
Tengo un 16r , y cuando tengo una mezcla auxiliar en stereo link para mi monitoreo personal, los canales de entrada enlazados stereo se escuchan monófonicos, eso sucede con las 32r?
Usé google translate así que espero que esto sea correcto. Debe asegurarse de que el pan estéreo esté configurado en ancho. Tuve el mismo problema, pero solo la panorámica está configurada en mono
my 32r is givinG me a WILD distorted sound, and LOW levels for every input. do you know anythinG about this?/ how to fix? i did all the obvious firmware/ driver/ UC updates. please help, somebody.. anybody!
Did you call presonus about it? They will help you if you get in touch with them. Also try switching the sampling rate from 44.1 to 48K and do a hard reset of the mixer and see if that fixes the issue. If not contact presonus, they should be able to help you narrow down the issue. Thanks for watching.
have they implemented any of the changes you wanted??
Sadly no only a few more and better channel thumbnail pictures, the processing ideas can't because the processing power for these mixers is pretty much maxed out already so new features would be almost impossible to add to the current hardware, but I have talked to presonus about some of the things I would like to see in a future product and they seemed to like a couple of my ideas! Thanks for watching Cheers!
Could you please inform me whether Mac silicon (M1 and M2) supports AVB for integration with a Person's rack mixer?
It does and works great, but if your Mac doesn’t have an Ethernet port you have to use 2 adapters to make it work. So the Mac Studio & Mac mini are fine but if you have a Mac laptop you need a thunderbolt 2 to Ethernet adapter and a thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter. A usb-c to Ethernet will NOT work since AVB requires pci lanes and only thunderbolt can provide this on the Apple laptops. Apple needs to make a thunderbolt 3/4 to Ethernet adapter so you don’t have to use 2 adapters. OWC also as a single thunderbolt dock that is $349 that has a AVB compliant Ethernet port and it’s the only one no other thunderbolt dock will support AVB. But the easy way is to get a desktop Mac or you need the 2 Apple adapters for the laptops.I hope that answers your question. If you need more information just let me know. Cheers!
Hi nice video…its helps alot…jst a question 1) does it work with logic pro x? And it does record multitrack in recording live banda right??
The SD CARD records a stereo track but for Multitrack recording you use the USB to your Mac, with Logic or presonus Capture which is free. Over USB it will will record multitrack up to 24 tracks.Thanks for watching!! If you have anymore questions let me know!
Hi! Since you use it only as an Inear box would you recomended if you were to use it as a main console on medium size live gigs? I ask because of the color of the preamps you describe as flat and dull. I am working on live audio for 2years now and am still learning. Sometimes a console just sounds right, it might have to do with the venus and other factors, but you think this could make a gig sound flat on a bad way? I was thinking on getting this one and your video is the best review of ths machine. Thank you very much!
This console is good, I just prefer other higher ohm preamps, but I have used it a live console for outdoor festivals and indoor shows as well and it works great. It sounds great and if you are coming from an analog mixer you will love the Presonus. It has everything you need to have very professional live audio. It a good value for the price and it is a great mixer for live audio. Have a great day.
thank you, this was very helpful
I have studio live ar16 usb, bought studio live 24 rack mount hoping it would work the same way, I want it for live shows, need computer to play music thru studio live and a couple mic with effects how do I set it up that way, surface control sucks or is it just me…
The surface control is terrible with a mouse I agree but on a touch screen like an iPad or a Tablet it's not bad. But yea I wanted to make sure I understood what you wanted to do. You do want to use it as an audio interface. What most people miss is the computer outputs need to be set to outputs 37 & 38. What DAW are you using? Studio one or Reaper or something else. that way I can show you how to set it up with your DAW as well? Basically give me all the information about your setup and I will try to replicate it and make the video as close to your rig as possible. Thanks for watching!
I’m going to use my 24r live the first time to run sound and record. Have you recorded to a card? They want me to record 3 sets which is approximately 3 hours of music. Is it feasible or better to just open the daw and record to that while also running sound?
Use a laptop and Presonus Capture because the Rack models only record a 2 track stereo to the SD card not multitrack. Presonus Capture is free and will record all day long with no issues but a 4 hour practice for my band usually is about 14 to 18 gigabytes once we are done. So make sure you have the hard drive space. But we have 22 channels recording so it will be less if you use less channels. Also you can record the stereo 2 track to the SD card as well while recording multitrack over USB as a simple backup. Cheers.
@@joesalyers thank you. We are only running 10 channels. So if I understand use laptop with sound capture to get individual tracks and optional stereo 2 track. Sweet. I appreciate it. Great video btw
@@Souldoubtrocks Yep you can get The Presonus Capture App free from their website. Just do a google search for Presonus Capture for your type of computer and download it for Windows or Mac which ever you have. The Presonus Capture app will record clean & flat multitrack of each channel with NO eq or compression to your computer and the SD card will record a 2 track Master output stereo file so you can listen to the Main front of house mix that the crowd heard as a reference. Just take a few hours the day before and look at the Presonus Capture app to learn your way around, but if you have used most DAWs you will find the presonus capture app to be a nice simple multitrack recorder. Cheers and thanks for watching!! Best of luck recording your show!!
How do you eq an individual channel? I am working with a new band and I wanted my vocal to cut bass but he couldn't eq my channel, only the whole mix so my mix was to shrill. Thank you.
You just tap on the fader of the channel you want to EQ and the EQ will be in the top part of the app. It really helps to download the app, it's free for windows, mac android and ipad so grab the Presonus universal control app and look it over that way you will be more familiar with it and can make the changes yourself if you need to from the stage. Also with Mixers like this it really helps to read the manual, I know that no one likes to read those boring manuals, I know I don't like too, but it really helps to learn all the little tricks with piece of audio gear like this. Presonus also has a great videos on this mixer on their youtube channel as well. Thanks for watching!!
@@joesalyers thank you so much! It was only my 2nd show with these guys. I use the app on my iPad. I can’t beliits so simple. All that time wondering how to do it and I was staring right at it! I knew it would be simple. Thank you again. It’s not my gear and I’m the new guy.
Great video thanks. I am using The 16 R Studio live rack mixer , and recording with Logic Pro, I’m getting latency problems, I have adjusted buffer size etc, wondering if you know the best way to set this up? Is there a specific USB cable for faster connection etc? Thank you for your time
Turn off software monitoring in Logic and only use the mixer as your monitoring device when you can this is why you are most likely hearing double, this is a common issue when people move from a regular interface to a multitrack live mixer. Also make sure you are setting both the R16 and Logic Pro to 48k which will lower the latency a bit. Thanks for watching and have a great day.
@@joesalyers Thank you , I will try this !
Thanks for the video. So will the 32R connect via Ethernet to the computer and be controllable thru software on the computer, I guess the computer would need 2 ethernet inputs? Also what is the older OS this unit works with.
You can control it with USB or you can control it with Ethernet directly to a computer. When we use it live I connect it to a router so everyone in the band can control their headphone mix from their phone over wi-fi. It has 2 Ethernet ports but one is for controlling the mixer the other is for AVB networking which can be used to record your shows multitrack if you have a Mac and a AVB Ethernet hub but it’s easier to just record shows with Presonus’ capture app over usb and then edit it later in studio one or any other DAW. AVB sucks on windows but you can always use USB. It only works with Windows 10 or 11 and MacOS/iPad to record multitrack, it will not work on Linux as an interface. But it can be controlled from a Mac, iPhone, iPad, android tablet or android phone as well as a windows laptop. Hope this answers your questions. Cheers.
@@joesalyers Thank you for the detailed reply.
FireWire more efficient for over 48 . Allow console to be stable with any devices
Thanks for watching!!!
I really like your overview of the Presonus Studiolive 24R. Thank you so much for taking the time. I have a 32R. I'm a beginner mixer. If I understand your video correctly, looks like you can't apply reverb or delay to your aux outs? Is that correct? :)
You can but you must be in the matrix mode to really hear them in a monitor mix for something like in ear monitors. Thanks for watching.
@@joesalyers Perfect! That's what I needed to know. Thank you for replying. Setup one of the Aux's in Matrix Mode and it worked. Very much appreciated :)
@@rickdeaguiar-musicreflecti7692 Glad I could help, Enjoy the Mixer! Have a great day!
does anyone know, with the 24r in stagebox mode, can you also run it as a usb interface ? Hook up a laptop with USB running Ableton and push output straight into it? or would I still need a seperate audio interface for the laptop?
No you can't if the 24R is used with another Presonus Mixer as a stagebox Your Laptop would have to be connected to the Main Presonus Mixer. But if the 24R is your only mixer you can use it as an interface and a mixer at the same time. But you can do this it just depends on what your setup actually is. If you could tell me what you have I could tell you exactly how to set it up.
Curious do you still like it, would you recommend it? and the most important of all did they improve anything?
My band still uses it for our IEM rig. There have been multiple firmware updates since I made this video. The mixer is rock solid I just don't like the Reverbs they sound underwhelming to me but everything else is good. Thanks for watching!
@@joesalyers thnx 4 the reply great vid
@@joesalyers Did you figure out how to use external plug ins?
@@season7507 External plugins require an app and a computer since the Presonus mixer can only use the plugins that com on the device. But for live sound you could use something like Apple's Mainstage or gigperformer, or the Waves soundgrid system. But you can't run the plugins on the studiolive itself. The only plugins that work on the Presonus studiolive are the Presonus Fatchannel plugins. Cheers.
Great review! is it possible to run multiple backing tracks in a live performance without a laptop?
No you will need a second device, computer/iPad or some other machine, the studiolive mixer can not playback tracks on it's own. It's just a digital console & audio interface. Thanks for watching!
Hey I just saw your vid . If you press the EQ box at the top of the channel it take takes you to fat channel. You don’t have to go out to Home Screen
It would be nice if there was a way to switch between the two easily. I tried what you said but it does not change on the iPad or desktop app to the fat channel overview page. If I'm missing something about this could you make a video explaining what how it works and leave a comment on this video so I can pin it for others to see how it works because I can't get it to switch. Thank you for your comment.
Great video with lots of useful information! I’m currently using the Studiolive 16R as an audio interface in my home studio, but I’m having trouble outputting the sound of my DAW to the 16R. I want to be able to hear the click and other recorded tracks in my DAW as I record but I can’t figure out how to hear my DAW output for the life of me. I also have an Apollo twin which I use but I’m also using the 16R to be able to record more than two tracks at a time (drums).
Do you happen to know of a solution? I am on a MacBook Pro and running Ableton currently. Thank you.
I don’t use Ableton but I can tell you that you have to read the manual and it will give you clear directions on how to set this up, on the 24r the DAW return channels are 31-32 and that channel must be set as a USB input on channel 31/32 and in the input matrix in the settings. The 32r 24r and16r are each different so grab the manual and it will guide you through it step by step. Cheers.
@@joesalyers Yeah it doesn’t even have anything to do with ableton because I’m not getting any audio from CZcams or anything else on my computer to come through the 16R
@@taylorperkins6089 In the patch bay in setting (the block diagrams) choose the channel you want as the output and change it to USB then change that channels’ input to USB by clicking on the wheel next to where you name the channel) then change the settings of MacOS and ableton to the 16R. The 24R and the 16 R have different configurations so I can’t tell you what exact channel the USB daw return channel is but mine is 31 and 32 so I have those channels set to have there input as USB. You have to configure the mixer to have a USB input from the computer in the 16R patch bay. Cheers.
@@joesalyers Awesome, I was able to select channels 1-2 to input usb and now able to hear my DAW/computer. I could only get it to pull up on channels 1 and 2 for whatever reason. Tried patching the usb to different channels but couldn’t get any of them to do so other than the fx returns. I guess this means I can’t use channels 1-2 to record audio bc I’m monitoring my DAW through those channels?
Either way, this works good enough to be able to record some drums! I can’t thank you enough for your help. Will be following you and sharing your videos. You rock!
@@taylorperkins6089 Glad I could help, I knew the 16R was different because of its smaller size but I didn't know exactly which channels were the DAW returns by default. But since I haven't used the 16R I wasn't sure how to explain in a comment how to patch it in. The Presonus mixers have more features the higher you go. Like the 32R has a total of 64 channels 32 analog and 32 virtual while my 24R is is a 48 channel with 24 analog and 24 virtual. So each one has a few feature differences. You could just make inputs 1 & 2 and output them to channels 17 and 18 in the universal control mixer and still use them. Just set it up in the patchbay and on your mixer. Cheers!!!
Is the console have stem / subgrup before we send it to LR? Not VCA/Dca i mean.
Yes you can do it both ways using a aux buss or VCA/DCA. So you have the flexibility to work either way. Thanks for watching!
@@joesalyers oke thanks just aux and VCA rights. So it just normaly console like in general. I mean if it have stem / sub grup, i can mix for Stem, then can send it to the auxilary and to the LR.
@@agasetyo Yep you can you just have to send the tracks to the aux and turn off the output to the main L/R on the channels and they will sum in the aux then to the main L/R master buss.
Amigo Conoces de algún tutorial de esta mixer en español?
No lo hago, pero el sitio web de la presonus tiene el manual que está en español. Gracias por mirar! Usé un traductor, así que espero que las palabras sean correctas.
When it comes to control, there is no DAW in rack mount Personus. Everything in this video is post production.
There is not any digital mixers that have a DAW built in that I know of, but the Presonus Rack Mount models do have a Stereo 2-track recorder built in that can record to an SD Card. Also you could use the Free Presonus Capture App with an iPad, Laptop, or Desktop Computer to record multitrack audio easily. Also Presonus Studio One Artist comes with this mixer Free so you could use that if you want a full DAW to record the audio with. Studio One will also transfer your mixer settings (EQ, compression, gate/expander from the Fat Channel) to the Studio One DAW and you can change them later if you want. So the StudioLive Mixers have multiple options for recording. Thanks for watching!
You can use Studio One with this . This video isn’t post production. I use a 32R live. I can also link my DAW to it and use live also
no one has shown me how to use this thing step by step StudioLive III 24R for windows 10 as a stand alone mixer
I don't use Window but I could do a video on how to use it as a stand alone mixer. The Universal Control App is exactly the same if you are on Windows or Mac or iPad. So let me get the right you don't want to use it as an audio interface you just want to use it as a mixer for a band, right? Because using it as a stand alone mixer means it is only being controlled by windows and not as an audio interface for windows. If so I can make that video for you since the control app is the same across all devices. Let me know in detail what you want to know. Thanks for watching.
I simply want to bypass UC and use studio one for my Q mixes and FX. This fat channel is limited. All I need is more xlr inputs. I have external preamps, so no need for the presonus ones.
You can't bypass Qmix-uc because the studiolive is a DSP based converter but if you want something that has enough inputs for the same money look at the Presonus Quantum 4848 which is $1400. The 4848 is great I use 2 of them with a 48 channel Soundcraft MH-2 console so I can use the mic pres and EQs along with my outboard gear during tracking. The 4848 has 32 inputs and outputs on DB-25 so you can have XLR inputs or 1/4 inch inputs. The latency is so low with the quantum 4848 that you won't notice it. Also you can daisy chain multiple quantum's together if you ever want more inputs and outputs. Thanks for watching.
@@joesalyers Thanks! So I can have 32 mics plugged into my separate analog preamps ( UA 610, BAE, Neve etc) then routed to patchbay that has xlr to DB25 then hooked into the inputs on the 4848? and 48 hz, low latency ...?
@@agesonjohanesburg2915 the 4848 can run up to 192khz I use mine at 96k for tracking just to avoid aliasing. But yes look up the Quantum 4848 it's a powerful interface in a 1U Rack unit. 32 mics from outboard mic preamps and no need for a patchbay since the 4848 functions as a patchbay as well and you can do the routing in your DAW. I have each channel of my 4848 setup to be exactly where I want it and I just pull up that channel when I need it from my console. But you have endless options with the 4848. It's not USB but most modern computers have Thunderbolt which has significantly lower latency and the ability to write directly to disk without the overhead of CPU calls that USB has. The interface has DB25 so you would only need DB25 to XLR or balanced 1/4 inch (which ever you prefer) and come out of your preamps to the quantum 4848. Just look up the Presonus Quantum 4848 it's the best interface for the price range.
@@joesalyers Awesome! Why the heck do i have 2 scarlets then ugh. If budget not an issue, whats best 32 xlr interface as per above? UA Orion? Im going to run it to studio one. Thx again
I agree that the icons need to be expanded. Flying V? Really?
HAHA Yea that was one of my first thoughts was, I wish there were more usable icons, they have a crying emoji but only one electric guitar, it makes no sense. It's a great mixer but it could use some small adjustments. But overall I am very happy with it! Thanks for watching!!
@@joesalyers Don't forget Bearded Guy. =)
@@JimJWalker Yep I use that one for my keyboard player HAHAHAHAHA!!!
You must be an expert with mixing. My basic sound 12 channel mixer doesn’t have all these goodies. How will you remember how to setup each different band 🤔?
You can save each gig or band as a preset and when you go back you can just click a button and it goes right back to where it was before. Thanks for watching!!!
Presonus runs 48 cause avb only works with 48
Not just AVB but also USB 2.0 up to 24 inputs can run up to 96K but anything over 24 inputs & outputs on USB 2.0 has the limitation of 48K, where as Firewire (which ran up to 96K on the previous models) as well as higher bandwidth options like USB 3.0 or higher and thunderbolt are not limited in the same way. I wish Presonus would just make all in one solutions like this as audio interfaces as well that could support higher sampling rates. But for the price it's a great digital mixer. Thanks for watching! Have a great day.
@@joesalyers It should be optional at least If your not using the avb like Motu does
@@bighornaudioproductions6104That's a good idea, It should be optional and it would make it a great live mixer experience because higher sampling rates equal lower latency overall and more phase coherency for things like drums.
96khz is absurdly unnecessary in the live world.. what are you talking about??
It has nothing to do with bandwidth and everything to do with speed and latency for using other digital processing in the chain. So compared to the setup we use now that is thunderbolt at 96K. The Presonus at best could only get down to about 10.8 milliseconds at a usable buffer of 128 since its USB 2. compared to our new setup that gets 4.3 millisecond with a 256 buffer. I can mix 24 input channels with 5 IEM mixes and 2 floor monitors in Apple's Mainstage with less latency than the internal latency on the Presonus. That is why 96K matters. But it has nothing to do with bandwidth whatsoever. Most new digital mixers that have been made in the last 5 years have a 96K option, even presonus had the RM mixer with 96K but the limitations of USB 2 forced them to 48K since that is the only way for capture to record 64 channel over USB. Because I spoke to 3 engineers at Presonus about why they lowered the sampling rate from 96K on the studiolive RM and series 2 to 48K on the series 3. So its not always about the bandwidth of 96K but the speed and latency.
@@joesalyers 96k uses twice as much processing power... you're putting more of a toll on something you wont even here and frankly will cause more latency.
Nope you're right... thats my bad 😂the more you know lol sorry
@@andrewj.682 No Problem. Its a good mixer if you just want to use it as a mixer and nothing else, but if you wanted to experiment with using plugins like auto-tune or amp sims live then the Presonus Studiolive isn't the platform. Allen & heath's new CQ or the Yamaha DM series are better options with half the latency penalty. Also on the processing power, yes 96K will use about 20% more CPU power from a computer compared to 48K but with Modern Apple ARM M1/2/3/4 chips and Newer Intel chips this isn't a real issue that would be a problem with core counts on Laptops starting at 8 and going up from there, in the days of 2 & 4 core CPUs around 2012 to 2016 it was a issue simply because there wasn't enough horsepower in those machines but now a basic Macbook Air has an 8 core CPU with no fan and can run a 24x24 channel live gig for 5 or 6 hours with no issues at 96K. But no big deal my friend, I get things wrong all the time but that is how we all learn new things, have a great day! Cheers!