The Best Type Of Multi-Input Audio Interface For Band Recording If You Hate ADAT!
Vložit
- čas přidán 31. 03. 2020
- Mark hates ADAT! Let's be clear on that. He'd like to see every ADAT equipped piece of gear relegated to the bottom of the sea. So that doesn't leave many options in 2020 if you need a capable audio interface with 16, 24 or 32 inputs. Unless you look to the world of live sound for inspiration!
The unit featured in this video is the Presonus StudioLive 24R, and it's friend the StudioLive32 desk. It's been a reliable and great sounding workhorse in our studio for the past two years.
The rack unit functions as a standalone AVB audio interface, and 16, 24 and 32 channel versions are available. The perfect, and budget friendly solution for present day production!
Check out our FREE test master service at:
www.presentdayproduction.com/...
Join our new discord server at:
www.presentdayproduction.com/...
To receive a 7% discount (and earn us a tiny commission) on a DistroKid subscription and increase your chances of higher ranking on Apple Music and Spotify playlists (assuming Mark has mastered your tracks, that is!) and help use this link:
distrokid.com/vip/seven/1940343
If you would like to send us new and interesting products for review, or are interested in a collaboration, please email us at:
info@presentdayproduction.com
If you enjoy our content and would like to make a small PayPal donation to the channel (it gets pretty expensive pretty quickly to make these videos!), then we would be eternally grateful, and give you a shout-out in the next video!
www.cosmic-audio.co.uk/thankyou
If you'd like to use Epidemic Sound's extensive library of well-recorded music as a fantastic learning tool, as well as being able to use it in your own content for CZcams, Facebook or Instagram, follow this link (We earn a small commission which supports the channel):
share.epidemicsound.com/3qmrV6
Alternatively, if you'd like to try out a personal Epidemic Sound subscription at a reduced price, follow this link:
share.epidemicsound.com/3qmrV3
We are also now Waves Ambassadors and we will be bringing some epic content alongside Waves!
Please follow this link for our PresentDayProduction partnership with Waves plugins (We earn a small commission which supports the channel):
waves.alzt.net/JrqZ47 - Hudba
Really loved the visual shocks between the audio sources you're enumerating and the illustrating pictures! "Horns" and "strings"... Genius way to eye catch and lighten up your content, while making it all a lot funnier!
This is low key such a great recommendation. I wish this was more well known.
I especially like the StudioLive series because I can get analog sound (eq and compression) on the way in with effectively no latency and hella inputs
The first minute was the biggest, most unexpected laugh of the day for me! Thankyou. And based on that one minute (though I'm deciding on spending a lot on a Focusrite Clarett 2Pre because I could then add channels to it via ADAT and have a simple, high-quality performance option too) I've subscribed. Hope you're still going strong; now back to your video. Cheers.
Finally, someone in a video that explains it so well! ❤️Thank you so much! 🗣Awesomeness!!!
So glad I found this channel last week, cheers!
This guy is a journeymen level power point builder.
Most excellent, he speaks to my ADD.
Thank you. After a LOT of (mainly fruitless) research, your video was what I needed to steer me towards my StudioLive 32SC. I couldn't be happier.
I am happy I found this channel! Authentic and informative. I do not get some of the commenters are so 'offended' 🤗 It is just opinions and sharing thoughts on audio. What fits you good is good! I am on a PC and never knew apple is going that way. Flexibilty of Cat5 is such a great oportunity when I am mixing FOH and all techs coming to the venue I am house engineering. It is so fast and flexible. ADAT is good, if you are not chaining too much stuff. I am expanding my ID14 with the new ultragain in my home and for rehearsal room recordings. That is super okay. Bjt I get the point that it is annoying when running your studio network. Great video!
Thank you so much for this! Appreciate you!
I want more inputs in my electronic music studio - currently 16 (8 x 2) using USB and ADAT! Is this sort of kit possible? Using a Windows 10 PC.
@@awpMusic1 I have 40 plus synths and use RME digiface interface into cheapo ADAT A/D converters, Behringer ADA8200 etc. Gives me 32 channels of line in for the synths and all accessible in my DAW. Latency is good at 48k (256 samples = 5 sec input and 5 sec output). I like the stageboxes shown in this video but wonder what the latency is on windows PC say using a Klarke Technic CAt5 to USB
@@waheex might be on the spec sheet? i mean since it is an AI it might have some roundtrip value specified as standard
NICE !!! I'm glad you're the PreSonus team! 👍🏻
Totally agree with all of this. I bought the Studiolive 32SC console last year and have never looked back. 👍
The best thing is that the ”stagebox” is actually a complete rack mixer, so via the app it actually makes the mixer on the desk an optional addition for the feel of having physical buttons and faders. But for studios on a budget they can just skip the console mixer, and just have the ”stagebox” as a stand alone mixer.
I just learned so much. Thank you for this video
I can definitely confirm this. I came from the same setup with two 24 i/o boxes, a console, and Cubase. I hesitantly sold off my room and bought a Studiolive 32s and Studio One. Holy sh@ this thing is awesome! No random noises to search out, no automation screwing with outboard compression, and beautiful beautiful RECALL! The DAW mode and integration with Studio makes it just like mixing analog, but easier. My biggest hesitation was leaving Cubase, but I feel right at home with Studio One. It actually makes sense considering the two people who created Studio One used to work for Steinburg. 🤘🏻
Thanks to this video I changed my quest for a next audio interface into the direction you point out here. I'm sold. Soundcraft ui24r in my case - I can even use it for live shows..sreaming a live band and record at the same time.. .thanks a lot!! You rock. Cheers
Incredible Video and so important to keep coming to it over and over again. Cheers!
From now on, I am referring to 'cat 5" as "the 5 cats".
2cat lmaoroflmao
Word up 😂
I've been using Soundcraft's Ui24R for three years now and I can't recommend it enough: excellent live mixer with 22 physical inputs and 10 outputs;, 32 x 32 USB interface with 24 channel multi-track recording and playback on the desk, as well as being an HTML5 web server, which means there's no app. It is completely agnostic to platform: phones, tablets, laptops, it doesn't care what controls it.
AND IT SOUNDS AWESOME!!
Likewise! I’ve had mine for about the same time. Recently went browsing for something better to replace it. There’s nothing out there which does everything the Ui24r does. A&H QuSB comes close but is iPad only.
Things are descibed as agnostic! LMFAO!
It can do 32in and out, it’ll sound like shit the other end
Same here.
I like that it records straight to a USB drive and/or a computer.
Recording redundancy is one of the reasons that I bought it. Another reason is the ability to control it on a web browser page that anyone can access, rather than an app.
I've been using the little brother, the Ui16, for 3 years or better for our church. It's doing just fine, it sounds good, it's flexible enough to run FOH and a secondary aux master stereo to feed into my Studio One DAW to process my Livestream. The USB record and playback slots are nice as well. One big bonus for live sound is these have dbx AFS² feedback suppression built-in.
Biggest drawback? I've run out of inputs. So to remedy it I might go up to the Ui24 or better yet go with Presonus StudioLive 24R, and mix on Studio One and/or their UC Control surface.
Great run down and explanation of the advantages of this technology - thank you!
Thank you so much for the information, I’m planing to buy both, rack and regular mixer to record my band and create demos and this video answer all my questions.!!!
Oscar Sanchez you don't need the rack mixer if you have the desk mixer.
Massively enjoyable information. So Funny when sarcastic!
THIS IS AMAZING U MADE IT ACTUALLY EXCITING
Cheers for the info! Will definitely check that interface out.
Yes, it’s fantastic! I went with the Behringer X-32 desk because at the time, the Presonus digital consoles had a shut-off problem, so X-32 it was...and I don’t regret it. The X-32 is situated on my left side and is connected via cat-5 to a router, my Mac to the router as well for X-Edit which can completely control my X-32 from my Mac (and is showing on an external monitor at all time). Another Cat-5 from the router to my X-Touch controlling the X-32 faders, pans and such on top of controlling my DAW (Logic X) right in front of me in a small form factor! It’s fantastic! Next purchase is indeed the digital stage box!
I run a x32 rack with x touch controller and Midas dl16 stage box and it’s fantastic!
'flight case that weighs the same as Birmingham'......dying lol. been running audio via cat 5 since 2004 via EmU 1820m PCi. I had no idea that CAT 5 was capable of such high channel counts. Dude thank you.
analog has physical limitations where digital doesn't and that's how it all begins
What a brilliant review 😊 Thanks a lot
I use a 8 input Zoom R24 (16 when I link my 2 recorders together) and it works great for live recording. I love this recorder, it has a sampler a mini drum machine and much more.
Live world is very cool. I have a MADI interface which allows me to connect directly into some live consoles and also allows me to expand inputs. Dante is very nice too
"A medium sized shrub" I love this guy way too much
this was the video that made me buy a used Soundcraft Ui24 and hopefully I won't need to borrow gear any more. Plus I don't need no app for control as it's browser based. Thanks a lot! you rock!
The situation you described with the motu cards was the inspiration for my fifth Hackintosh dubbed Mr Black. The hack was the main studio computer for a few years until we afforded an Apollo interface, and a Mac pro tower! It even hosted old pci HD Cards for a spell, i totally forgot about the motu pci cards! Thanks for the walk down memory lane!
I’m a FOH engineer I could tell you that my dream studio rig would be an SSL L200 console with a pair of remote I/O boxes. I used the L series for live events for over 4 years, mixing Foh, monitors, and A/V and to be honest live gear is superior nowadays! The job gets done, your sound is amazing and musicians are happy and inspired.
I am currently planning out a studio running of a Yamaha TF5 console paired with a couple Tio Boxes all because I just got tired of Apple upgrading their hardware and my audio gear becomes obsolete. You have a good point there!
Yes! We’ve been using a live desk for tracking for years, and more studio people need to look to live world for better workflow AND better sound quality now!
In my job, which is to compose music and make audio post for documentaries, they think to buy me a yamaha TF1, I'm close to saying no, to buy by my own limited means a specialized AD-DA card like the LYNX AuroraN, or focusrite Rednet 16 T. The question I ask everyone, since I don't have a way to test both devices, will there be such a difference in audio quality, to record, mix or master? The thing is that sound quality is quality of life for me.
@@wampampiror3 use a 30 day money back to test one
Love ADAT! 24 channels direct to desk in and out with RME HDSP on PCI at 3ms, 48khz. Absolutely no issues in over 10 years. Mind you I'm not running a hugely overpriced Apple box! Just a fast i7 window box. Kerrrching!!
What desk?
@@G_handle Spirit Digital 328 by Soundcraft. Quite underrated and functionally ahead of it's time, albeit pretty dated now. I think the Behringer X32 is modeled on it with some obvious modern upgrades. It's been my console, hub/converter for the RME and controller for Cubase for a good 10 years now.
@@sizzloh Dated....hmmm.
I have so many thoughts right now.
First, I still have and still love my 32-channel Soundcraft Ghost.
Your Spirit Digital always intrigued me, though I never got my hands on one, and had nearly forgotten about it.
It triggers one of my reactions to this, pretty ridiculous video though...
Your board, if I'm not mistaken, has in addition to the Alesis lightpipe I/O, Tascam's answer to 8-channel Digital in the form of DB-25s.
The DA-88s had that TDIF?, and the ADATs had Lightpipe. That Soundcraft has both.
My point being that, my reaction to his hatred of ADAT still being around, is look at it the other way. That DIGITAL format, has lasted since the 90s. What other digital anything is still being manufactured on brand new equipment today.
I was excited that the new Universal Audio Apollo x4, not only has ADAT in, like my Twins do, but also ADAT Out, which makes that a powerful little box for $1700 if you then add a $300 Behringer ADA8200 giving you 8 mediocre Mic Pres if you need em, but more importantly 8 line level Cirrus Logic A/Ds and 8 D/As, in addition to the 4-Unison Pres or Line-ins, 6 line-outs, +HPs from UA. Yes two grand, but that's a serious Hybrid/Hardware Inserts/Analog Stem Processing/Summing rig.
Add to that an SSL SiX 12:2 mixer for $1500 and some Mogami to hook it all up, and Sonically you in the money for under four Gs.
And the ADAT makes it possible!
UA ain't gonna give you 16 more converters for $300 more bucks.
But throwing lightpipe on the back and letting it flow through the thunderbolt costs hardly anything extra.
Anyway, it's also ironic that he's praising Live World for being ahead of the curve, when it was live world and boards like yours, and the omnipresent O2Rs that hooked into RME interfaces in the first place.
He said something like, " ..."it can only do 4 channels at 96k for some reason ". Yeah, bandwidth!
Since SMUX, your ADAT has been able to do 8-channels at 1x (44.1/48k), 4-channels at 2x (88.2/96k), and 2-channels at 4x (176.4 I guess, never seen that, but 192k). AND those fiber optics can run 2-channels of SPDIF, at great distances.
I've been using this format for decades now, with not a single problem I can remember.
It took some dude on CZcams, talking smack like a Gear Slut with a camera, to make me stop and appreciate the exact opposite of whatever the hell he thought he was saying.
Whilst the ADAT machines have all rightly gone to e-waste, the ADAT format has served us well. And well into the third decade of the twenty-first century.
So glad I still have my 20 year old Motu 24io, running flawlessly through an analog desk and a PC not connected to the internet!
Immediately subscribed on the list of potential band set ups.
Just the begining was spectacular
lol. Ever since I started using a great external clock, non of my ADAT stuff has any issues at all. But this is a great video! Thanks!!
What do you use for an external clock?
@@eterna2k7 Wrong person, but I just use an ART Syncgen. I used to use a BLA micro clock mkii, but it just died on me and I didn't want to spend the money. The ART clock has been working great since. 👍
Glad we have the Studiolive Series III SX32 and 16r when our church upgraded from analog to digital. Didn't regret it. In fact everyone loved it! Felt like we brought a studio into church, haha! Our drums are semi-caged and use the mics to run and blend with Slate Trigger, our guitars and bass on vst guitar plugins, vocals with iZtope Nectar + Melodyne ARA2! The Capture App bundle is fantastic along-side running the free OBS Studio for streaming or just purely recording the cameras. The stage is clean and amp-less. I run fx and processing combining both the power of the DAW & plugins and the in-built channel strip of this board. Really taking advantage of the remote control. You can indeed do a lot with our present "Live" equipment when you bring it into the studio. It's a match made in heaven!
Ps. Even without internet, as long as you're connected to the router via Cat6/WiFi, it'll work. We bought our model last July, 2021. And to other viewers who are curious about the remote control app that musicians use that he mentioned in the vid, they're Aux sends. Their personal mixes will not interfere nor affect the main mix in the control room. It's just plainly a monitor signal feed where you have full control like adding "more ME"! Happy mixing everybody and cheers to the amazing vid!
Amazing! Brilliantly explained.
Thats why I love using the X32 for many years. 😂
A very good video in general. I'd like more background on why you don't like the ADAT standard. I can think of some limitations regarding shorter cable lengths (relative to ethernet type solutions) unless you use ADAT extenders which also use ethernet. You lose half the input if you record at 96k with SMUX (not necessary but some insist on it) . Other than that it has served me very well. I've been using RME interfaces for decades now with very low latency at 32 samples. Very straight forward and reliable for me.
The integrated live solution makes a lot of sense. You could almost pay for this outright by the money you save in long cable runs.
Great video. I have a Studiolive 32ai and a Yamaha TF-Rack. Eventually I settled on the TF as my main mixer because it takes up less space on my desk and a Dante network is easier to manage than AVB if you're using nodes from different companies. I also just don't like big consoles.
Just started watching this. Liked the video already just because of his delivery and humor. The five "Cats" pun 😂 Wished I could like this video more than once 😄
I still rock a MOTU 24 IO, upgraded the power supply with better caps and it shreds in 2020, sounds solid!
Great units!
@Chad Gillihan Yeah, a friend of mine (who has a steadier hand than I) and myself ripped it apart and replaced the stock power caps with Nichicon Golds with much beter ESR rating, giving the opamps and converters a more steady power supply. It definitely opened up the highs and when we compared it to his shiny new cranborne 500 series converter, MOTU sounded smoother and more natural. Definitely recommend the mod at least for peace of mind, but one warning: make sure the caps are the same height, mine aren't and the lid can't close (which doesn't matter as it sits free in a loose top rack space on a patch bay.
Great piece of info. I have a large home setup and have been looking for this answer for the past year. Have 2 Focusrite Saffire Pro 40's. Love the hybrid setup because i learned from the old school way and love the tactile feel of things. Thanks for the info!!!
I have the Studiolive 32sc and it's awesome in my small studio with 16 mic pres, easily expanded to 32.
So, had exactly the same situation...old mac tower...motu 24 I/O...just got a mac mini M1 and in the process of getting the Presonus 24R. Thanks for putting in the leg work and giving me the confidence/putting my mind a rest. :)
I love our band's Soundcraft Ui24R. We're a 10 piece band (just about clinging on in these times). I was hesitant at first not having physical sliders and knobs but it's a great unit that can double as an audio interface for £600 for 22 physical mic inputs and 8 physical outputs.
Great for a small studio, two can be daisy chained and it can record to usb stick simultaneously.
Wondering when we'll get to use it again...
Nikolaki, I have the UI-16. How are you guys connecting your stage box to the computer. I tried the cat-5 cable but windows 10 or my DAW (Reaper) doesn't recognize it. The UI-16 doesn't multi-track record on the usb, only a stereo track but I thought I might get lucky with the cat-5. I can't find any info on this topic, any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks!
@@HenryC7625Sadly the Ui16 only gives out a stereo feed as a USB audio interface. I think the Ui24r is the only model in that series to offer multitrack + stereo to USB. The cat5 connection is only used to access the web interface and in the case of Ui24r also allows two units to be cascaded.
I had one of those, it's a great thing and cheap for what it does. I changed to the Studiolive S3 and I'm much happier with physical, moving faders.
Me too. Ui24r all the way. No need for the band to install apps on our devices thanks to html mixer control. Love mine.
I love it too, except there are no dang digital outputs on this digital mixer!!
My field mouse does not respect the signal to noise ratio, even though I've explained it thoroughly... any tips in working with critters? 'cause I'm starting to consider new band mates..
Only saw one other video on this channel and this is the one that got me to subscribe
Glad your video popped up, I’m trying to find a solution to run my synths and drum machines through my old iMac and Logic being the space the main problem, thanks
Thank you! It’s always great to know a video has helped someone out, that’s what it’s all about! Thanks for watching, and let us know what option you go for! The AVB network stage boxes like these are a great option if you need to patch in a load of synths and drums machines, and can give you a load of outputs to run to hardware effects as well. Thanks for your comment!
Because i love my analogue desk i went with antilope orion with 32 ins and outs!! In 1u unit!!! It sounds great!!!
The Orion is an incredible unit, good choice!!
When you can buy a 3000 Euro audio interface and can't even care enough to know how its name is spelled, you've got too much money... (It's "Antelope", btw.)
@@MrGul dude misspelled something whilst writing something on the internet, why get personal?
@@holiosys To me, it has to do with respect and care. Not only towards the brand (Antelope in this case) but also towards other people who will read what you write. If I wanted to praise a brand/company/person, I would definitely treat it with enough respect and care to write the name properly. However, it seems I'm quite the exception in thinking like that, judging by the majority of comments.
@@MrGul Those are your personal values.. and you're free to post them. The ideology of imposing those personal values on others is in my eyes flawed. What may be important to you may not be important to the next. a lot of it boils down to tolerance and passing a little less judgment. All I saw was a typo or maybe someone who isn't perfectly apt in spelling or whatever.. assumptions ... .. tolerance.
ADAT works great with my RME fireface. It has never let me down in 17 years
RME Don’t play around! They can get better latency via USB2.0 than other interfaces using Thunderbolt! Love RME equipment, it is simply superb and yes, ADAT is rock solid on their hardware!
Thanks for this. I did not realize I actually plug-in the stage box directly to the computer without the desk. This is a great solution. I wish MOTU would update their AVB interfaces to thunderbolt 3. So many interfaces on the market and so few networked options and Dante$ and Digigrid$ are expensive
Brilliant mate, thanks for sharing
Wow, this is such a logical setup. I wonder if you could set up a Dolby Atmos surround set-up via the 24R since the output count wouldn't be an issue. But no idea how the Dolby matrixes are set up
You certainly could - if you’re mixing music for Dolby Atmos then the final render can be done in software, so you could use the 24R for multichannel monitoring. Both ProTools and Steinberg Nuendo offer support for Atmos built in. For cinema release you need to be certified, and there is dedicated hardware the render has to be mastered to.
While I do agree that live solutions have a nice workflow for cheap, but analog signal path on most of these things suck. To achieve high studio quality you’ll definitely need external preamps, compressors, etc. now if you want a similar experience you can go for antelope audio, which sells 32 quality interfaces, though i hear they have issues. The reason why Apollos are so expensive is because they are MORE than JUST an interface. They have some of the best plugins on the market along with some of the best a/d conversion and some of the cleanest analog pres, which can then be modeled after top of the line hardware. If you don’t need mic pres (since you’ll probably wanna replace those on the presonus anyway and you mentioned using a 24 i/o from MOTU previously), you can grab 2 of the 16 i/o version.
That being said the live world has always had great tools for the studio. I started with a Mackie mixer with stereo outputs into an interface so i could have more mic pres. I would down mix the drums from the mixer and record stereo for drums. Now the latest versions of those mixers have multi track outs via USB or AVB. What I’ve found though is that the drivers/built in mixer and such isn’t as good or stable as others. though in the live sound world presonus is probably the best deal. But it ISN’T STUDIO GRADE. so maybe starting out to accomplish goals it’s good, but long term you’re gonna wanna replace it.
The feature of having artists use an ipad to mix their headphone mixes is an incredible idea! Did you know most DAWs have their own iPad app? with pro tools they can do their own headphone mixes, just setup a bunch of aux tracks and let them play with the sends, or create a few buses that send to the outputs they’ll be listening to and only show them their tracks.
As someone who live streams for the last 2+ years it’s become a hybrid of a live setup and a studio setup. I use studio grade interfaces (Apollo/audient), but I have friends who use live mixers and interfaces. The mixer is often used for easy hands on control of the stream and the interface for sound quality. Often using the interface’s superior conversion or preamps.
Anyway i appreciate that videos like this exist, so many people don’t realize how powerful the live world can be in the studio (especially AVB and Dante setups).
Great job.
Love it.
I moved from a Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56 and OctoPre Dynamic II to a Midas M32R and DL153 Stagebox.
Definitely the way forward, especially concerning monitor mixes with reverb, compression, EQ etc! M32 also has SD card and USB recording.
If you want 96Khz, I'd recommend the DiGiCo or Allen & Heath route.
My next desk will be the compact version of the Behringer Wing if it's ever announced or the Heritage-Air (touchscreen version of Heritage-D) if it's cheap enough!
I recently bought the Soundcraft Signature 22mtk which gives me 24 in and 22 out. Comes with legendary ghost preamps and 2 x lexicon fx engines plus loads of other goodies. For a band or studio on a budget you won’t find better for under £600. Plus for live use it comes with my favourite button that mutes all channels except the last stereo channel 21/22 so you can play background music. It’s just full of little tricks that make sense in the real world. Check it out.
I have one (and a 16 ch) love it except they seem to have forgotten to store the efx settings so when you power down you'll have to reset any of those from scratch. Unless I’m missing something (??) but I spoke with them or other tech support and apparently it was overlooked. It's inexpensive so no analog direct outs (or inserts if I recall, it's been mothballed since COVID) and one channel seems to have crapped out)
Hopefully yours won't crap out after 11 months like mine did.
MY Soundcraft 22mk Crapped out on me after less than a year, the company I called , they didnt give a toss really, I reckon its a good idea but poorly executed, probably cheap circuits, channels stopped working, one every 2 weeks....pain...why do they always promise so much then they are made so poorly.
@@fatdrunkbaby24 I will never buy Soundcraft again.
0:42 I'm afraid you forgot the partridge in a pear tree, Mark
Great advice! Thanks a lot!
Thank you fine sir! You just saved me from several months of grief!
Great video
Please, this piecevof gear can work with Windows, right?
Thanks!
Yes, the hardware supports Windows. You can check out the system requirements and download the software to try it in demo mode on your PC at www.Presonus.com/products/StudioLive-24R/downloads
how are the preamps compared to the high end ones in e.g. Audient, RME or UAD etc?
They’re great - they take a super quiet mic signal and make it louder, with no noticeable noise or distortion and plenty of gain. We’ve recorded probably hundreds of bands with them, both in the studio and live, and I have no complaints at all.
I bought a apogee 16/16 in/out that uses thunderbolt in 2014 and it still works fine.
Awesome! Thanks!
USB bluh??? You never had a RME interface because their USB is awesome.
100% agreed. I've tried almost every sub 2k usb io and only the antelope stuff comes close to RME sound
I’m a huge RME fan also. fireface 800 (10years) never once given me a glitch... Babyface (usb) never had a glitch either. Great support, great low latency drivers, (even on a pc- I’m on Mac now!).great company.
@@algarvemike Man, Im about to acquire a FF800... But it seems the power supply is a common problem in the FF800. It might cost me the same as a Behringer UPhoria 1820 interface brand new... What would you advise to me? I'd never tried firewire audio before, and want a super stable setup, and don't waste my money of course.
@@RenatoPernett Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. I have Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. Iv’e had no issues with power supply after over 10 years of use.
FireWire is an old technology now, but I simply haven’t had any need at all to upgrade. Latency has been low.
Thunderbolt is the way to go for modern appliances but at a substantial cost.
Ding! We have a winner!!
Thanks! I have a question though - what is the problem with adat - I myself expand my apollo via adat to be able to record with 10 inputs (im more of the producing type recorder not really recroding full bands live etc.) and I had no issues at all so far. What exactly is your problem with adat?
Clocking issues, the fact that you lose half your channels if you need to work at higher sample rates for some silly reason, and the fact that if you’re tracking bands, you need at least two 8-channel ADAT expanders on most interfaces, and then it’s double trouble. Also, I’m biased as I had to work on the ADAT machines in the 90s, and that wasn’t fun. At all. I’d like to see more daisy chain-able USB C interfaces - plug one in for 8 channels, plug another one into that for 16, another into that one for 24 etc.
@@PresentDayProduction Have you ever tried making an 'aggregate device' in OS X'x Audio Midi prefs with 2 or more USB interfaces? I've read that this is a possibility for extending inputs.
Many times, and it’s always proven to be unreliable, or given us clocking issues, or just done something really annoying right at a critically creative moment! You can’t beat having all your IO in one box
I used the Presonus 32R in my studio… I can’t even begin to describe how powerful & versatile it is!!!
The examples in the intro where funny but kinda logical for sounds at the same time, I've never came across examples for this exact purpose.
Any link to details on ADAT problems? Other than "bad," I didn't pick much up about that. thx.
@Michael Hansen Yeah. No one really needs more than 48kHz, and these guys have explained that really well.
My main issue with ADAT is how fragile the optical connectors and cables are
Had a quick look around, and seems like it probably works, but basically has been superseded by other connection protocols and physical connectors by now. These newer ones will support more channels and higher sample rates over a single cable, eg. the cat-5 (computer LAN cable) that the presenter Mark is talking about in the video. LAN cables are also dirt cheap and easily available.
@@nicolashauss4075 And how old and dated the protocol is. It's from the beginning of the 90's! MADI is better but was never adopted to the same degree, is still a a very expensive solution (which pretty much only RME still uses) and it also uses the same fragile optical cables most of the time.
maybe i'm lucky but ADAT into a RME digiface is rock solid and any optical connector over about 2£ is pretty sold and thanks to the digital is best push, I bagged a NAGRA T for £50
So I watched this video last April and recently bought the cheapest 'live world' offering - Behringer. Yes, I know... Behringer. But their X18 or XR18 offer 18 tracks in and out of a laptop for £400. If you hate Behringer you can buy the Midas M18 for around a £100 more. It's exactly the same product but it hasn't got Behringer written on it.
They’re often unjustifiably slagged off, but work a treat and sound great
I have pretty much the same set up with the 24R, just I have the 24 channel desk, rather than the 32. I also added some of the MOTU AVB interfaces (24Ai and 16A), plus some extra i/o chained off those using *(whispers)* ADAT ! All in, I have 128 inputs and 64 outputs available simultaneously and it all goes through a single Thunderbolt cable from the 16A into the Mac! The MOTUs and the Presonus kit play together pretty well over AVB, you just need an AVB router if you have more than 2 AVB devices. The 24R is great value for money and you can build from there really easily if you need to.
Great video guys. Thanks for this. Seems to be a fantastic solution. I hope, this will work fine with my Apollo X4. My guess is, it will work, but not able to use the Unison Function to integrate the Preamp Plugins like 1073´s etc. What do you think?
I'm curious to know why you don't like ADAT actually.
I'm personally looking into ADAT expansion with and RME PCIe ADAT card and a couple of Clarett OctoPres (or maybe similar Audient ones, haven't decided yet), because it seems quite easy and more customisable. I'm also on Windows so I don't have the issue of not having PCIe slots (or having to spend lots of money to get PCIe slots).
So yeah, I'm curious why you don't like ADAT?
My personal opinion, more moving parts/wires gives more points for failure. Sometimes I travel record events on the fly. Id hate to lose half of my inputs because of a loose cable lol. One big piece of hardware seems more secure to me
@@dariencharlton4773 Never had a problem with ADAT in 20 years other than its channel count and sample frequency limitations. I've used a lot of different stuff.
You had me at the cat (not 5)
Thanks for the video.
fine presentation - well done
A bear in a bag :) That's great!
I don’t get the adat hate. Works great.
Great info. Thanks.
Nice!
Thank You very much
Best regards
You never really explained why ADAT isn't a great solution!
Yeah, never had a single issue with ADAT over the last 20 years.
I am wondering too
Same here. As a live audio engineer getting into streaming artists on IG etc, having an ADAT equipped interface I can transport easily in my back-pack and link back at the studio to my older soundcard I put in stand-alone makes a lot of sense. Most bands don't need more than 10-12 inputs at a time; my MOTU ultralite have up to 18 with ADAT and Toslink connections. Why the hate on ADAT? I don't get it. Yes it's an older protocol but it's still relevant for many people. It's stable. Many home studio owners have an ADAT equipped interface : there is a reason why Audient and MOTU still release interfaces with it.
Ex live sound guy here,,, No Multicore YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
It’s a DREAM. One cable along the entire venue! No more cable snakes!
Mark is totally right this Presonus Studio Live 3 ecosystem is very clever and great sounding and comes in different sizes and budgets. I took the 64s model after tried a lot of things more expensive and not so powerful (Large format analog console, Avid Control 24, Euphonix MC Control, Avid s3, Steven Slate Raven MTx, Mti, Ssl Nucleus 2...)
Now I'm totally happy with my studio live, it's a bargain when you know all the features, and they are a lot more in this video he just had the time to scratch the surface, and it's evolving now you can even plugin Dante devices! Now that I sold my Neve 8816 line summing mixer, the next step is to add a dangerous Mix Bus summing amplifier and for that, they have stage boxes in 8 or 16 channels that you just connect with cat 5, they thought about everything and in case of an issue the support, tech is fast and awesome...
Great stuff, and really amusing time
You know what sucks WAY more than ADAT, companies that discontinue products, like your mixing board there.
Totally! Was relating with everything he said, even gave him the THUMBS UP when he said "two decades into the 21st century", but that quickly turned into a thumbs down when I realized the board he's promoting is discontinued. Don't talk crap about ADAT if your equipment couldn't make the grade at all.
Definitely !
@@MarcassCarcass The Studiolive 32S is discontinued? I've been using the 24R for a while now and appreciate how clean it is and the multitude of functionality in such a small footprint.
@@MarcassCarcass Companies are still releasing new gear with ADAT that works with stuff released over 2 decades ago with ADAT. I'm using MOTU 828 mkiis with brand new RME gear and it all talks together and plays nicely.
If you're using Windows, it's the best game in town for pulling in large numbers of analog inputs without blowing a fortune.
The StudioLive 32S isn't discontinued according to the PreSonus website, visited with a german IP. Are you trolling or where did you get this info from?
Sorry Sir but I love ADAT from my ASP 880 into My RME UFX
Oh, how I've searched and searched to find a video on how to record my bear in a bag. Thank you @PresentDayProduction!
great video, thank you
"need more input"
- Johnny 5
This makes me want to buy stuff I don't actually need.
Very useful info 👍
Very nice intro 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you made me laugh so hard!! Thank you for the video !!!
2:39 why the "Beuh" at USB for an interface? You pretty much cannot fault it; you can go as high as you could possibly want in terms of raw digital audio fidelity, can send through a separated interface with virtually limitless amounts of channels; it's well-supported and has no latency issues if your PC is spec'd for audio work. I can only guess about your ADAT hatred that it's because they're often low fidelity conversions. But USB is just the communication of the already digitized information; the quality of a-d is of course dependent upon each specific product. I'm just scratching my head here and simply curious as to what your problem with USB could possibly be.
I even have PCI multichannel Spdif input slots for 192khz/32bit but I haven't used them in ages. USB does the job better by being able to combine the analog and digital input sources on an interface, and with nice dedicated drivers and on-screen control.
It just seems like at least before you went to, AVB - which is great tech indeed but still nowhere near the support level of USB connections - the perfect solution for every problem you mentioned having for the past years, would have been USB.
Yep. RME claims that actually they can get up to about 45 48k channels on just ONE dedicated USB port. One USB 2.0 port!!! It'll be fun to see what they wind up doing with USB 3.0 and up.
Then, with Thunderbolt? Fuggedaboutit!
Nice product placement... There are a lot of nice options that deserves to be mentioned in greater extent, e.g. MADI interface solutions from RME or SPL (Madicon + Madison) or why not the Focusrite Rednet system. And what's wrong with ADAT?
What is wrong with ADAT? Good question.
Thanks for the idea... Recording Zoodio has nice ring to it.
Great video!
Would have liked more info on the console you’re using with this system