Zeus Wanted Hercules Taken by Hades - Disney Theory | The Fangirl
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- The behavior of Zeus in Disney's Hercules has never sat right with me, and I finally have a Disney theory as to why the movie doesn't quite make sense with Hades stealing a royal baby!
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ok about the Pegasus question. I thin the reason Pegasus is able to live in Olympus despite not being a god is because Pegasus is literally made out of the clouds of Mt Olympus so in technicality he IS Olympus which is why he can live among the gods without dying.
Pain & panic are god's. There the sons of Aphrodite X Aries.
I don't think hera was in on it. In the scenes we see her, she's upset about hercules Being abduction.
I noticed this aswell aswell
What
@@hannahlarocco4699 yea, pain & panic are actually the sins of Aphrodite & Ares. In most Greek mythology there oftern seen riding in the chariot with Ares. Being honest the Diseny version got alot of things messed up with the story ( obvi they can't have him running around naked like he does in the stories, but they litteraly melted the mythology & casted it into a new mold) hercules is the Roman name for him, his real name was Heracles in Greek myths. I recommend watching the mythology guys breakdown on the movie of what they got wrong
Well are you referring to Deimos and Phobos the gods of fear and terror or panic? Because they are the sons of Ares and Aphrodite.
Maybe they did all that so that they could test him to see if hes worthy of being one
In greek mythology it's stated that if a mortal ever saw the true form of a god then they'd be burned to a crisp (that's how Dyonisus' mom died) the gods can actively choose to avoid this, but it comes to reason that they can't do it 24/7. With this logic, it's impossible for a regular mortal to live permanently on Olimpus, because all the gods are walking biohazards, that's why they couldn't raise Herc, to try would have put him in danger.
That's....actually a VERY fair point!
Honestly considering their original mythology I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled this. Especially considering the god of one night stands and his vengeful wife.
Yes, especially coming from Zeus that's practically the ultimate f-boy
Also could be a way for Zeus to side step what happened with his father, Cronus
Considering the original mythology, I wouldn't be surprised.
Umm I never understood why Zeus and Hera didn't have baby Hercules in their room with them. Or the fact that no one else heard the crash in the baby's room has always irked me for years.
And how does a royal newborn god baby not have a 24/7 nurse on call for him? It doesn't make sense!
@@TheFangirlWatches you are right. No one in their right mind would leave a newborn alone at night. And another weird thing is a newborn would cry every 3 hours to be fed,changed ect. Not sleep through the night.
This was one of my favorite Disney movies growing up. Thank you for doing this one.
Weird that I watched this movie last night
I also wondered about who was guarding Mount Olympus and why Zeus didn’t raise Hercules.
I love how the movie nods to the myth about keeping Herc's adoptive mom's name the same. Alcmene in the myth was also a descendant of Zeus since her ancestor was Perseus.
Also think of Herc scarfice as an act of True love
Hercules nearly being killed by the River-Styx isn't the sacrifice that gets him god-hood. For the one thing, Herc knows from Hades that the River Styx _is a river of death._ And according to the deal they make, if Herc _can get Meg out,_ then she goes free...but Hercules _stays in her place._ Therefore, Hercules is sacrificing himself so that Meg can come back to life. The problem is, because the sacrifice was noble enough to qualify for True Hero status, Herc's godhood was restored - and since Gods can't die, the River Styx couldn't keep him - so basically he gets out on a technicality.
In regards to Zeus _overstepping_ the Muses...well...all _nine_ of the Muses are Zeus' daughters...so yeah, his authority literally overules theirs. But not only that; keep in mind that the Muses and their contribution to the story is all a _Framing Device_ for the actual movie. Everything they claim and sing about when it comes to Herc, is happening _after the fact._ Their song about Herc going from Zero to Hero is just them explaining how Herc got so famous - but they're not officially deeming him a Hero, because from their perspective, they're just _recanting_ these events that happened a long time ago. Who knows, Herc's story could have happened _before they were even born._
Also, Pain and Panic are actually Deimos and Phobos, the children of Ares - so yeah, they _are_ Gods. But much like Hades, they're not exactly _welcome_ on Olympus by the others, but they are _still gods._ They just happen to be doing dirty-work for Hades - and let's face it, Hades isn't going to bring his two-lackey's to a party - even if they are blood-related.
Zeus and Hera's lack of response when Herc is taken could be chalked up to...them being King and Queen of _the gods,_ and the assumption that they are completely _untouchable._ So they probably would never have suspected that someone would sneak into Olympus while they slept and would kidnap their child.
As for why they didn't go to Alcmene and Amphitrion and explain the situation is...Well, it's not like they _can_ take Hercules back home anyway now that he's mortal; and I have a feeling they'd have some hesitation about taking their child back from a mortal couple who had prayed for a child - especially considering the service they had done to find Herc and keep him safe thus far.
As for why they never reached out to Herc or his step-parents or ever communicated with them is...Well, imagine you're a child, and the literal King of the Gods rolls up to your farm and says, "Hey, I'm your _real dad."_ Not only do you find out you're adopted, but by being Zeus' kid, you, yourself are in-fact, _a god._ How mature do you think you have to be to handle that?
Zeus even says it in the movie - "By-Thunder, you're old enough now to know the truth."
They had to wait until Hercules had matured enough to where the news of his divine heritage wouldn't overwhelm him nor go to his head - to where he'd be able to handle it. Plus, then he could spend the next three years training with Phil to be ready for godhood by the time of manhood.
But even still, the movie doesn't show it, but I'd like to think that Zeus and Hera had an indirect influence on Herc's life with Alcmene and Amphitrion; maybe they would occasionally bless the family with good fortune. I mean, look at that ridiculous hay-bale that Amphitrion takes to the market to sell when we see Hercules as a Teenager - you can't tell me that they managed to grow all of that without divine intervention.
THANK YOU! FINALLY! This has been my opinion also. But nobody else seems to agree. Especially about Zeus and Hera's security fails and not panicking right away etc. They are Gods. The king & queen of the Gods. I wouldn't expect someone to try to kidnapped my baby either. Lol.
They probably let him get taken so he can fulfill his prophecy of defeating Hades
Well I say zeuz does have some sort of prideful attitude to be a very powerful God and wanted to carve his son in his own image with Hercules being the one who defeated haydes and then becoming a successor to the God of thunder I say if it's plan of being a true leader of the gods it's really elaborate and long term
And who can possibly be welcome into mont olimpis I mean there must be some rules to stop mortals or demons from entering even haydes
I'm just noticing the nipples are swirls. But sometimes characters are shown with swirls on their elbows and knees. And now I can't stop seeing them as having nipples all over their bodies. 😅😂
Watso videos did a video on what the potion that made hercules mortal
His guess is that the potion was made of Opheuctarus (or serpent-bull) blood because there is a myth that any who kills and sacrificed such a pure creature will gain power to overthrow the gods
Makes sence XD
The only thing i can argue is that pegasus IS a god in greek mythology. Hes the child of medusa and poseidon
For me, I think it's enough to say that, for the Disney version at least, Pegasus was directly created by a god. He spent his existence, from birth to death, in the presence of gods. Maybe he built a natural immunity.
Fangirl: I'm about to challenge your parental feelings towards Zeus
Anyone with basic knowledge about Greek mythology: Hey
On top of that when the titans attacked Olympus Zeus told Hermes to sound the alarm to call all the other God's. Why didn't Zeus wake up all of Olympus to go find Hercules when Pain and Panic abducted him?
Exactly! He waited so long to get help that the baby was mortal!
I totally agree with you after seeing this video!
Despite being a Greek mythology fan, I really enjoyed how the story unfolded and how (most of) the characters were depicted here--especially Hercules; it's very rare to have a kind and optimistic male lead in film without making him unintelligent or patronizing.
I think they did care about hercules
That makes a morbid amount of sense.
I was wondering if you've ever watched that Kingdom Hearts video yet
I love your videos!!!
This is a shocker! I never thought this was possible!
I need to rewatch the movie first 😂
I died laughing at "so tbe gods can't do better than Hugh Hefner???" 😂😂😂😂 subbed!
Hercules also kept his demigod status at the end of the Disney series.
I remember when this movie came out around my sixth birthday back in 1997. I can’t believe that was 25 years ago…
Oh how fun! My son was born when Finding Dory came out, lol.
Made it til the end. I know some scenes were upsetting to my kiddos so we didn't watch it again. Till later when they were older.
I think divine and divine created beings (like Pegasus) can live on Olympus in the movie universe, and that's why pain and panic can visit Olympus. Fun fact: Pain and Panic is based on the daemons Deimos and Phobos, a daemon is a personified spirit of the human condition and abstract concepts. I think the reason why Hades and the Fates don't have auras is because they're not Olympians in the movie by Olympians I mean Gods that live on Mount Olympus. While Hades and the Fates are Chthonic (Underworld) Deities. Fun fact: Hercules isn't the Greek name, it's Roman. His ORIGINAL birth name is actually Alcaeus. He earned his name Heracles through doing his trials from Hera which is the Greek original name. The break down of the name is Hera-cles and "cles" means "Hero, Champion". So his name means Heras champion.
I mean 👀 true heros don't do it for themselves or their own gain. Which is what Hercules was doing until he saved meg. Helping others for your own gain & popularity or power is wrong because it's only for attention.
Honestly this was always a question I had and I like the way you put it. It makes the most sense to me :) thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching it!
Hades is just like Scar from Lion King. Both wanted to overthrow their brothers & take their places as rulers of their kingdoms
I was wondering if you could do a theory on DuckTales 2017 (Maybe on who the triples father is) (I have some theories)
I made it to the end as usual!
nah cuz I thought the same thing when I saw this
Is that you cosplaying as Lady D? You look fabulous!
I feel like when Zeus said only god's can live in Mount Olympus. Maybe he meant because they're immortal? Also, we see him make Pegasus out of the clouds around him, so maybe that's why he's an acception? Idk
It's a weird plot hole still! Pegasus never even glowed like the other gods, and he seems to be aging like he's mortal. But who really knows in the Disney-verse.
Pegasus was offspring of Poseidon
That means that when Zeus says "your mother and i loved You with all heart" (i don't know how the actual líne goes , i've been watching the movie in spanish since i fiesta watched it) anywho, happy saturday (i Guess" Fangirl , take care.
I wouldn't be surprised. Disney Zeus always gave me bad/creepy vibes.
He did?
@@hannahlarocco4699 Yeah. Maybe it was his wide creepy smile...
No 👎, Zeus from Disney, loves ❤️ Hercules and would never try to get rid of him.
Good
I would say all the stuff he did was to be a god it’s only when he sacrificed himself for Meg was the only time he was a hero for the fight reason
So risking himself for one person is worth more than risking himself for a whole city? That doesn't seem fair.
@@TheFangirlWatches well, to be fair. Herc was often called Jerkules because he was always accidentally destroying things yet not getting injured. Jerkules could save everyone in the town because there is no monster that can kill him.
Love this video! I would argue that Hercules' last act was the one that made him a God because it was for love (just like love is the center of the Harry Potter universe).
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Zeus realised he slept with his sister and now Hurcules is the result of inbreeding
I made it to the end!😀
Zurs hera siblings act slow together
No surprise here hahahah!!
*Zeus and Hera just groggily wake up and don't hurry to go check on Baby Hercules when there's noises.*
Fangirl: "They don't even go and hurry to check on their kid that they just had!"
Me: "Thor!"
*Thor arrives quickly*
Thor: "Yes?"
*Fangirl and I approach to Thor with a sword and a knife then we hand it to Thor.*
Thor: "What do you want me to do with these?"
Both of us: "We want you to kill Zeus again."
Hercules is definitely the weakest of the Disney Renaissance along with Pocahontas. I still can't believe they made Hades the bad guy when Hera would have made much more sense.
I love the movie and I disagree about it being the weakest of the Disney Renaissance. I will agree they having Hera or Zeus being the villain would make more sense than Hades. It sucks that Hades is seen as the villain in almost every story besides the actual Greek myths
Agree.
Wrt diving in, does he have to die before he can be reborn a god? It's not just about being heroic?
That is never specified in words, but that seems to be the unspoken rule.
You know how Hades and the Fates know about the Titan prophecy? All the God's know about how the Titans are going to rise in 18 years time so what if Zeus planned on having a baby with Hera, a baby that could do his dirty work of beating the Titans becuase the Gods are actually very weak & lazy? You noticed how quickly the Titans overthrew Mount Olympus and the Gods but a God turned mortal that trained for 18years of his life can defeat a titan on his own (Cyclops dude) then travel to Olympus and free the other God's, only to defeat the other Titans by himself ( when Hercules grabbed Hurricane dude and sucked the other Titans in).
That's when your theory of Zeus teaming with Hades comes into play Kidnap my son so I don't have to raise him, let's train him to defeat the Titans ( lie and tell him he needs to do tasks to be a hero in order to be a God) So we, the God's do not have to and in the end the God's will get praised by the mortals, Olympus will still be intact while Hercules gets to be a God if he chooses.
Why even let your baby sleep in another room far away from the parentes🙄🤔. That's not normal. Until the kid is around 1½-2 years.
I think that's pretty standard in America, so they put it in a movie about Greece like it was common - but who leaves a royal baby of the gods unattended?! SOMEONE should have been available to watch him 24/7!
only flaw I see with this theory is that Zeus is being credited with making the rules. zeus didn't make Hercules a god. that happened on its own
Zues , hades and Athena killed their father chronos . Zues didn't care or was busy doing a puzzle. Tbh zues probably just went to the fates see his possible path and let fate play out knowing he would return. Hera also could care less she the goddess of marriage and this is not their first child. No more children to our mortal knowledge (I'm supposing). The real question is how did hades not know Hercules was still alive when he hangs out with dead humans all the time.
Well Zeus never was a good father Disney change his character for this movie not that he was in Hercules life much here ether I don't think Hercules would have been a good Disney if the movie was about Zeus cheating on his wife with a mortal woman and a child coming out of it Zeus was known for having a lot of children with other woman goddess and mortals.
Well duh😂
Who's the kid
Yeah they're all powerful gods goddess but don't want to raise their kid can't be bothered to or perhaps feel threatened by their kid then why call them gods and goddesses
With all this in mind, I personally think this all some awful plan by Zeus to get his little brother thrown into the vortex just… because…
Friendly reminder that monsters aren’t born. They’re made. Hades must have been forced into The Underworld for all eternity with no say in the matter, turning him bitter and hateful. All because of his manipulative, self centered, and possibly abusive older brother Zeus… 😡
Great theory btw
😗 School For Good & Evil movie?
Oh I need to get to watching that soon!
@@TheFangirlWatches the acting isn't the best, but it could be plot related; people acting like sweet candy because they're not real. And honestly, did fairy tales have good dialog to begin with? I haven't read any since I was little but I remember their depictions being bair basic.
Also, some may say the second kiss in the movie makes no sense but it does if you know how fairy tails go. Basically it's psychological. If you think the kids has no meaning it has no magical effect.
I would say all the stuff he did was to be a god it’s only when he sacrificed himself for Meg was the only time he was a hero for the fight reason