Yamaha TW200 Battery Maintainance or replacing with Lithium Battery
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- čas přidán 26. 02. 2017
- Maintain the stock lead acid battery or just get a Lithium battery? I went with the lithium battery for many reasons but I will also show you how to take care of the stock lead acid battery too. thanks for watching!
Update 1/1/2020: Almost 4 years, still no problems whatsoever with the lithium battery, the bike will start every single time with no issues. and I have never had to put on a tender or charge it. I let you know if it ever fails
They no longer sell the BikeMaster Lithium Ion Battery (DLFP-7zf) that I put in my TW200. (there may be a new part number that does)
Here are a few other similar ones that will fit the TW200:
WPS HJB7BL-FP-IL: firepowerparts.com/product/fe...
WPS HJB7BL-FP-IL: amzn.to/352dDqG (amazon affiliate link)
Shorai LFX09L2-BS12: shoraipower.com/battery?type=...
Shorai LFX09L2-BS12: amzn.to/3pFhcuO (amazon affiliate link)
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Update 3/8/22: over 5 years, still no problems whatsoever with the lithium battery, the bike will start every single time with no issues. and I have never had to put on a tender or charge it. I let you know if it ever fails. I can't believe this same battery is still going strong 5 years later 😂
They no longer sell the BikeMaster Lithium-Ion Battery (DLFP-7zf) that I put in my TW200. (there may be a new part number that does)
Here are a few other similar ones that will fit the TW200:
WPS HJB7BL-FP-IL: firepowerparts.com/product/featherweight-lithium-battery/50983
WPS HJB7BL-FP-IL: amzn.to/352dDqG (amazon affiliate link)
Shorai LFX09L2-BS12: shoraipower.com/battery?type=175&make=381186&model=381233&year=381233
Shorai LFX09L2-BS12: amzn.to/3pFhcuO (amazon affiliate link)
(buying from an affiliate link will help me support the channel at no extra cost to you, thanks!)
TDubsKid dude fire I think ima buy this battery been having his problem for a long time thank you
ANY UPDATES, July 2020?
I am in need of a NEW battery and just bought a battery tender and THEN found out it can not be used on Lithium batteries...
So I may take it back and get a GEL. ANYONE GOT ANY INPUT ON BATTERIES?????
Dude you're the shit. Whenever I have an issue I google tdubs kid (issue) before I even get my service manual out. It's obvious you're a very talented mechanic, but to be able to put together such thorough videos as well is impressive. All the while being a chill and relatable dude. Thanks so much.
@TDubsKid my tw200 needs a new battery and the first thing I did is checked your videos 😁 stumbled upon this one. Would you still recommend this battery?
@@therealrealshocker nice haha. yes I would because mine is still going strong 5 years later
Thanks dude! Seems every time I come to you tube looking for TW advice you got a video about it. I really appreciate all the time you put into your work. Picked up a Shorai from your link, thanks again!
no problem! glad to help. nice, let me know how it is, mine still won't die over many years haha
Love these videos. Please don’t stop making them !!
glad to hear! Ill keep them coming
you make such easy to follow how to vids. good job. a 5 pound drop in weight is definitely a plus!
thanks man!
Great video like always. Best instruction on the tube!
hey thanks! glad it was helpful :)
My wife plans on getting this bike for herself......I subbed because your content for this bike is beyond comparison, bravo sir 👍 ride safe
hey awesome to hear she is getting a tw haha, thanks! glad the videos are helpful :)
Great video. Spot on with the maintenance instructions 👍🏻
thank you!
TDubsKid! Setting out for my first big ride on my TW200 this past weekend and he (Gus) wouldn’t start. Thankfully my husband knew how to start it by popping the clutch going downhill. So, your CZcams channel is the first place I went to learn how to replace the battery!
As always you show the important details and share links (with updates!) so I can get Gus all setup for more fun riding. 😁
Thank you for all the fantastic videos and instruction! I’m sure it takes a good bit of time and effort-you are awesome!
hey, hopefully it didn't ruin your weekend of riding. glad to help! much appreciated
From a MX racing background, that weight savings is priceless. A must have in AZ summers.
Awesome information
oh cool. I could really tell a difference I mainly like not having acid leak out haha
Mine arrive yesterday late afternoon and installed this afternoon, it was an instant "Whala"!!! I could have use another spacer, but I ripped a piece of cardboard from the box and make me one.Thank you Kid.
hey awesome! yeah gotta use what you got sometimes, glad it worked out! mine battery is still going strong over a year later. no problem
Thank you so much for these videos. I just got my tw200 and it came with some surface rust because of the acid leaking out. Also I've been having problems starting up my bike so I'm pretty sure it's the battery. Im going to get a battery tender for now but I'm planning on getting a lithium battery right away
hey no problem! oh dang that's no good hopefully you can get it painted back up. yeah I would it's nice not having acid to worry about
Love the 2014....purchased my 14 new and am just now, 5 1/2 years and 7200 miles, most off road or back road, later, I am looking to change battery....that was a great video report...
nice! it's a great color scheme. glad it was helpful :)
Thanks for the tips! Have had my TW since April 2020 and just cleaned the battery filled with water and charged. She’s running over 13v.
no problem! hope it lasts ya a while longer
Finally installed the bikemaster battery last night. I waited until my led acid died. Nonetheless, great suggestion! There is a huge difference with this battery. When I would start my bike in the summer, there could even be a little drag with the led acid. This thing started right up with no problems.
nice! mine is still going strong 2 and a half years later haha. ill always get lithium from now on
Great presentation (as always).
Thanks!!
HEY TDubsKid!!!! this praise is coming from an OG! ........ YOUR videos are INFORMATIVE and VERY WELL DONE!!!
THANKS!!!
I took your advice and purchased a Lithium Ion battery, (will install in spring) and that just goes to show "never too old to learn".
PLEASE, keep up the great work!!
Hey thanks! Glad to hear your enjoying the videos. Nice! Such a great mod, I’m still using the same one in this video, lasted almost 3 years so far, starts every time
Excellent video yet again.
thank you!
Great video. Very thorough.
thanks!
Little trick here : you can use 3m tape under the battery poles nuts , it will make them way easier to screw
thanks for the tip!
Planning on a TW purchase to putt around a mountain home. Surprising they dont come with sealed batteries. 1st thing is a replacement for a sealed battery. Vented batteries tear up everything.
Love the videos!
yeah a sealed battery is the way to go for sure
@@TDubsKid Unfortunately all the So Cal dealers here 1) Have to order & 2) Want 7500.00 for one.... Sorry I'm not paying 7.5k for a new TW or 4k for a 30 yr old TW. I came across a super clean, original owner, 250 miles 19 Van Van for a great deal. I grabbed, though its not a TW offroad, it'll be fine for my local jaunts and fire roads.
I bought one for my TW.
It's worth it and more.
Heck yeah! Im still ising the same one! Starts and runs every time
Love your stuff bro! Cheers!
thanks brotha!
Спасибо from Russia ;)
it's video very helpful for me
hey there! glad to hear it was helpful 😃
Ok make some more videos bro!! Love the content!!!!!!
glad to hear! working on a new one, camping and TW riding in the snow!
Awesome video helped me fix my tdub up!
Glad I could help!
Excellent tutorial vid.
hey thanks, glad it was helpful :)
awesome video. good job
hey thanks!
Hey bro can you do a re timing and tension video? I had seen the valve one excellent content brethren!!!! Love ya man! ❤
someday once I need to do it, the older TWs have a manual tensioner, the newer ones have an auto tensioner, so it's different depending on what year. thanks!
Good footage 🎦
thanks!
Man, i was disapointed when i saw the sub count. You deserve way more subs, man. Keep up the good vids lol.
thanks bro! I will keep the videos coming! :)
It's true! I thought the same thing when I first found this guy. Awesome videos.
Thanks for posting
no problem! thanks for watching!
This is part of why I got my 1988 TW200, it was only ridden around the preivious owner's yard so it has 350ish miles on it and it has always used non ethanol gas so its like a brand new bike from 1988, I got it for $1200
Kyle Dixon wow awesome find!
The vent hose is very important with a lead acid battery. Spilled acid can really do a number on your bike. It can and will corrode the paint and metal on your bike. Also, you should routinely check the water level in any lead acid battery. Unfortunately, you may need to remove the battery from the bike to see the water level. Be sure not to overfill the cells.
so true! someone's new Tw frame got all corroded because the dealer didn't put the vent hose on a sealed battery is the best way to go
Battery Tender brand tenders do not fully shut off even though they have an “automatic” shutoff. Still a decent trickle charger, but you really need to be on top of unplugging it once it’s charged. Noco Genius 1 tenders do fully shut off, so that’s a better option.
good to know, I have never once had to ever charge this lithium battery, still works amazing here 6 years later, bike has started every time. the noco genius chargers seem to be great quality
Do you have any recommendations for an AGM non-spillable battery? My WR250R came with a yuasa YTZ7S for example. I’ve seen people using that on their TW’s but it has ~6AH versus ~7, so I am skeptical. I like the AGM Batteries because I have heard bad results from lithium. You had a great result with yours, but I think it’s a hit or miss thing with customers. Never stop making videos!!! 👍👍👍
I have never used an agm on my bike so I can't say for sure. I have had my lithium battery for over 3 years now, starts every time, never once charged it or put it on a tender. yeah seems like they could be hit or miss. thanks, ill keep them coming!
FYI - You can get an AGM SEALED battery with a built in LCD meter for $22 on Amazon, and so far they have lasted - That equals FOUR of these type of batteries (I have FIVE motorcycles) to the ONE Lithium. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Lithium and I have them in my FULL SIZE Electric Pontoon boat BUT I can have batteries in FOUR of my FIVE motorcycles for the price of the ONE Lithium you showed in this video - just IMHO - 😉
wow that's pretty cool. for sure a good price. this battery is still going strong so far. not sure if they even had the ones your talking about 4 years ago. but such a good option
What is the part number of the agm battery ?
Really nice video man. Where are you from?
thanks! and colorado
Yo dude. ... Love your videos... Pretty helpful considering I have the tw 125 ....
Can I ask about the battery performance since replacement and where could I get on of these. Your link is no longer in use appearently.
Or model of battery .. : ). Stay sound dude !!! Speak again soon.
hey thanks man! glad they are helpful :) and I have had 0 problems with that battery so far, it has started every single time and never put it on a charger or tender. I changed the link a bit so it works now www.motosport.com/product?cmp_id=EM_motosport_DDM54-2_M1&code=EM-M-TR-ORDER-CONFIRMATION&mmy=yamaha%3Btw200%3B2014&mmy_source=pdp&style=BMS00D4-X001-Y008&Email&Email&MCCM
the model number is DLFP7ZS. ride safe man!
My battery dies if it's sitting for longer than a day. Living in NYC, that's pretty annoying now that it's getting cold. I'm going to check the fluid levels but definitely think the lithium might be a better option for the cold weather start ups.
yeah probably low on electrolyte. I love my lithium battery, It still works great! never had to put it on a tender and have had 0 problems with it so far
Debating on whether I should go for the Shorai Lifepo Lfx Lithium or this one being that it's 1.6lbs and has 210 CCA. Costs more but it's cold as crap here already.
yeah I'm not sure which one is best. probably better to get the one with more cca if you ride a lot in the cold
Quality ass content. Thanks for the help
thanks man! no problem ill be making lots more how too's
Are you saying "Good shit"?
@TDubsKid All the "Battery Tenders (Green and Yellow) " Say you can not charge Lithium batteries with them...?
hmm i'm not sure, why, I have never once charged it after I put it in the bike,
On your old tw battery how did you get the posts from vertical to on top connections
that is just the way it came
I have the original lead acid in mine. The batter tender works great to maintain the battery. Going on 3 years here. When it dies though I’m replacing with a lithium battery. Any recommendations since the one you’ve purchased is no longer available? Thanks
glad to hear it's been working out great. good idea, my lithium is over 5 years old and still going great. i'm not sure what I would go with but I think the same company makes a different one that fits but different model number
Did you try to install kick start ? I am planning to get a kick starter OEM kit.
+Vaijanath Madugolkar I have not installed one yet, but I will in the future as long as parts are still available. Nice, I hear it’s not to hard to do
if you need; you can charge the battery without removing/disconnecting it from the bike?
it doesnt damage anything?
thanks
you can do that with no issues at all
Hey t dubs my bike is still down I put it on the tester ready out at 10.4 volts our so put I cannot get no power through it at all even after fuse change
it's hard to find what's wrong with it without looking at it
I ran through all the options on the site and couldnt find the tdubs. What is it under?
it's under dirtbike, yamaha, 2014, tw200
I use a battery tender on all 6 of my bikes. I also use lead acid batteries (SLA or AGM, not the kind you put water in) I won't use lithium batteries in anything. They have a penchant for catching fire. I'd hate to have my house burn down because a lithium battery caught fire.
As far as it not starting immediately after sitting for a couple of weeks, wait a minute or so after turning the petcock on. Gas tends to evaporate out of the float bowl, and ethanol gas makes it a lot worse.
I don't recommend the Shorai battery. I belong to one street bike forum, where one member got one, bragged about it so much that many other members started getting them. A short time later they all started failing. This may be the reason.
"Shorai Batteries require a charging system output of 13.1 Volts or higher at idle, and must not exceed 15.2 volts at maximum output"
No bike I've ever owned had any charging voltage at all at idle, in fact letting a bike idle for a long time will drain the battery, because the lights are running off the battery. The stator does not really put out much of anything much below 3000 rpm. But most bikes with a charging system that is working properly do put out around 14.2V at 3000 rpm and above. 15V or more would mean the regulator is not working. Nevertheless, lithium batteries tend to be very fragile. You can't charge them too fast, you can't charge them too slow, and you cannot discharge them too fast. Battery maintainers are not recommended for lithium batteries, because the circuitry in them cannot tell when the battery is fully charged.
I don't think they even make those old school batteries with filler caps and overflow hoses anymore. Modern lead acid batteries are sealed. They last many years if you keep a maintainer on them. They can be damaged, but they are a lot tougher than lithium batteries.
Hey thanks for the info, still running this same lithium battery close to 4 years later, never had a single issue starts every single time. Never put it on a tender once. Everyone has different experiences it seems, My bike runs in the 14 volt range at idle, might be because I have an led headlight. Maybe thats the key,
So it's been about 2 years now...how do you like it? I almost got one for my ST1100 you see as my pic.
it's been perfect so far still, started every single time and I have never put it on a battery tender or charge it. nice!
TDubskid were u find those mirrors thanks bro
hey I actually made a video about them and there is a link to where I got them in the description, czcams.com/video/bgQiaDbMQG4/video.html no problem hope that helps!
Wes, just curious why disconnecting the negative, not the positive terminal first is recommended?
Because the frame is ground and if you hit any metal with a wrench while removing positive, it will short possibly even welding your wrench or ratchet to the frame and could ruin the battery
@@TDubsKid Makes good sense.
Been there down that on my argo. Sparks flew everywhere scared the shit out of me! Now I always connect pos. First !
Just ordered a shorai lithium iron battery lfx14l2-bs12 from bayside performance.. with tax and shipping from Vancouver to halifax the total is just shy of 300$. Yes we get soaked in canaduh !
I'll let everyone know if it's worth it as time goes by...
Nice! Hope it works out good! This same Im still using this same exact battery soo many years later, still starts up the tw everytime, never had to charge it and never any issues
@@TDubsKid.. thanks for the input👍I put mine in my bike to start it, warm it up,turn off the gas and ran it till carb drained..took the battery out and now i got to wait till spring, but I'm very impressed with the battery !
Glad I got a 96 that has a kickstarter too
nice I envy kick starts. haha
I think there's a mod for the post-2001 tdubs. Wow. 87 - 2001, then 2001 - present time. Speaks volumes for the tw.
Christian Monteith yeah I kinda want to get a kick start kit. and for sure!
Adding a kick starter seems like a whole lot of work compared to just bump starting the bike if you need to.
BTW: as someone who has spent a lot of time dealing with lead-acid batteries, you did a great job of accurately explaining some of the key challenges in using them. The bottom line is that once lead-acids have gone dead they will seldom recover well enough to be useful. This isn't an issue for lithiums. It is the main reason that I switched to a lithium battery on my XT, the other reason was the weight.
@@TDubsKid I think everyone is waiting for a Kick-Start installation video. Any plans?
If you're goign to use a Lead Acid battery stick with the sealed lead acid battery. The vented ones aren't worth the cost savings. Just the amount of corrosive gasses they vent will damage everything around it in the long run.
well said
Update 2/24/22 to one of my latest additions for anyone possibly interested is the new BikeMaster BMP7L-FP Lithium Ion battery with Smart Technology, 2 year warranty, 144 CA and the digital OBMS (Onboard Battery Management System). I've pulled bigger toys out of a box of Cracker Jacks.... 😝This battery is super light and a perfect replacement for your stock lead acid (20 lb.) battery.....😞 I paid about $100 for it on Ebay but it's well worth it, It does need a special Lithium Ion charger for it so I got the BikeMaster charger for $39, again on Ebay. One thing that sets this battery apart from the others out there, it comes with a lot of double sided foam to use to fill in the space to fit the TW's battery compartment, It's an awesome replacement and well worth the extra money... Hope this helps.
thanks! since this exact one was discontinued. good to know the new model. oh wow just looked and can't believe this same battery from the video is still going strong over 5 years later 😂
How are you liking this battery? I’m thinking about going ahead and putting it in my 2023. I don’t want my stock battery doing damage to my bike over time due to leaking
What charger are you using with the lithium battery?
I think it's just one from sears, just be sure to follow instructions for the lithium battery or it could get damaged, I have never charged it once so far since it's been in the bike
If your bike has a vacuum style petcock put it to the prime position after letting the bike sit for a while. Though I think the tw has the typical on off res style...
nvm, after watching the whole video I can see that the tw does in fact have the normal on off res style petcock.
wonder why it needs so much cranking after sitting a week...
yeah it's old school haha, and I'm not sure sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't want to start right away, someone said to slosh the fuel around in the tank before opening the petcock but i'm not sure why this would work but it seems too for some reason
TDubsKid
if it works it works.
*As long as you don't play in the cold LION is OK, but under 40 F you will have issues, and below freezing, you need to be able to warm it up first. AGM is the way to go IMHO.*
I have rode below 30, a few times, has always started every time. never had an issue. Any battery looses cranking power in the cold. As long as it starts your good to go
you seem to ride your bike alot. Have you installed tires yet? They look in good condition.
I sure do I put almost 7000 miles on it already haha and yes I put a shinko 244 on the front and the rear is original but had to replace the tube because of a nail
+TDubsKid. Did you do the 4.60 or 4.10 in the front?
I know the stock tire is a fatty, but i was thinking steering may be lighter with a thinner 4.10.
A normal dirtbike tire is 3.00
I have my eye on a older 87. These bikes look like too much fun
its a 5.10 actually haha rides good enough for me. but I could see why you may want a thinner one. nice and they are loads of fun haha
Thank you. Great video. I know absolutely nothing about batteries and today I ordered a lithium and going to give this maintenance a try. Love your videos.
Used your link to buy the product and it says it’s over $300 and doesn’t fit the TW200. If “find a battery that fits” then the website recommends a “Fire Power” name brand battery that seemingly would work that costs $90. Think I will make that purchase thanks
thanks for letting me know, they changed the part numbers since this video was from almost 4 years ago, ill change it.
@@TDubsKid Thank you so much for your channel and guidance. I bought a 2005 with 5k miles for $1800; runs good, still looks completely stock. Previous owner said he only changed out the carburetor. I ordered almost everything I need and plan to do it all when the parts come in: 1. new front brake pads, hose, fluid, 2. oil change with new o-rings and filter, 3. clean, lube (with gear oil), and properly tension chain, 4. new lithium battery, 5. clean the air filter with the two products you used in your video 6. properly adjust brake and clutch levers to recommended settings. 7. clean and apply ACF-50
Other than that, I think I'd like a charging cable for my iphone to the handlebars and maybe a 47t rear sprocket. Lastly, I want to do a rattle-can paint job with a new vinyl seat wrap that I know will look good but that's later on.... Excited
Anything I might have missed? Tires...... how do I know if they need to be replaced or still have lots of life in them?
@@q4short hey no problem, thanks for watching. that seems like a solid deal. nice sounds like you will have that bike like new! just check the tires to see how much is left on the knobs, would help if there were new tires to compare to. also if they have cracks best replace them
good choice, and the only logical choice, for a bike that sees as much dirt as yours does. :-D
haha yeah for sure, lets see if this one lasts the test of time
The existence of lithium batteries are driving down the price of led acid batteries. I can get a lead acid for 20 dollars as the lithium is 75 dollars. Not sure what to do here, but the lithium is like twice the CCAs. That lead acid for 20 is 55-CCA
the main reason I got a lithium is because I didn't want acid leaking out since my bike get's laid down often. and it's nice that it is much lighter and you don't have to put it on the tender. so far so good haven't had a single problem with it and it starts every time. also if your buying a lead acid battery online it most likely wont come with acid and you will have to fill and charge it yourself before it's usable. if you get it locally it should be good to go
eBay item number: 192189784474 That's the one I found for 20, I almost jumped on it then thinking not sure 55 CCA will be enough. I just bought the bike today but had to add water and a charge to get it to start. I would be OK going up to 50 maybe for a lithium battery, I'll just keep watching for discounts
oh gottcha, just checked it out, it's a sealed agm glass mat so it should be ready to install not sure if it has enough cca or how reliable it is since it is so cheap the only way to know for sure is if you give it a try
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thanks bro!
TDubsKid I sent you a pic on Messenger
wow thats almost weightless.
yeah I was surprised when I first picked it up, still working great too