Well, we just never know what’s going to follow you home. This looks like it could still do good work if all the parts are intact or repairable. We’re not quite ready to make that determination yet but I have faith that if it can be fixed, you will get it fixed. Best of luck once again. You left us wanting more, which is how it’s supposed to work. Good job! 🥸👍🔨🔧👀✅
I have a wells index 747 mill made in 1974..II love it.The support you will get from wells is great..Give them a call and they can help with parts as well as drawings....
That's great to know. Right now I'd like to know a little more about the spindle bearings and how to lubricate everything plus the original motor wiring. maybe I'll call them monday.
Guess this means the cataract lathe is on the back burner, lol, I actually drove to Benton, Illinois to get my cataract lathe and accessories, Never heard of a Wells brand, looks great. Ready for the next episode, Thanks.
Thanks for your hard work disassembling this vintage machine so we could learn how it’s made. I’m looking forward to it completed like your beautiful old Avey.
Nice old machine. It’s construction methods remind me of the Brown and Sharp #0 I have in the shop. Surprising how many features those old machines offered.
Looking forward to this series. I have a Index 40 mill. Which is a Wells Index before Wells bought them. Mine is pre 1941. Need to replace the lead screws and nuts on it. Wells Index is still in business in Kalamazoo, Michigan. You can contact them for information and might still have some parts. There are very helpful.
I knew they were still in business... not sure about parts but that would be a plus. Mine is a 1950 according the the serial number but the casting for the belt shroud has a date that says 1955.
Been wanting to buy a mill and an Index 40 sold before I knew much about them last year at a decent price. Guess it just wasn’t meant to be yet 🤷🏼♂️ I enjoy your videos sir 👍🏻
Winky, fixing that hoist to your roof beam was probably the best thing you ever did when doing the drilling machine, sure came in useful again. Looking great. Regards from Australia.
Yeah, that's a deck I built 10 years ago. I used 2x10's in pairs 4 inches apart that span 10 feet. I'm not sure what the load limits are but I would not be afraid to lift a few tons. My chain hoist is 2 ton right now that's the limiter. I've lifted 3 lathes, 2 mills, a big drill press and a few other small things. The cool part is that I can drive my truck under the deck, lift it up and drive out from under what I lift. I used the machine the movers I built under the mill. They worked perfect. I was concerned about the 2" wheels rolling but it was easy to move.
That's a lovely old mill, Mark! I can only imagine how great it will look and run when you restore it. You surprised us with this one! Next episode, maybe you can fill us in on the Wells band, why you bought it, the level of restoration you plan on, whether it will be used a lot, and what for.
I'll probably use it about the same as my other mill with a little more pride :o) I did'nt have any preference for Wells Index, it just appeared on Facebook Market Place. It was the right combination of small, old and cheap. It's even single phase.
Now you went and done it! Very cool. I drove up to WV to drop off the Lagun Monday and Tuesday. I’m super excited to watch your new project. Right up my alley for what I like. Thanks!
Congratulations Mark you bought yourself a knee mill. It doesn't look like it has alot of wear. I couldn't see any by eye on the leadscrew that you cleaned up. Nice size for the homeshop to.
Probably 3 or 4 part. It's moving fairly fast although i have a few obstacles still. The motor might need to be replaced and it needs a bearing. It might be a wiring issue or capacitor but it starts slowly. I'm not sure how it's supposed to be hooked up but there is no reverse. Somebody has changed the wiring but the motor looks original.
I truly thought you were going to be fighting that frozen head for weeks! I take my hat off to you, great job. So glad you started this project. This should be really interesting. I have to admit to you I was a little let down when you finished the drill press, loved that series so much! Keep ‘‘em coming! Easy for me to say! lol
I have a model 40 also, and I love it The base is light enough that when stripped down it could go in my basement. I have a Bridgeport also, but I use the Index most of the time because it moves easily for hobby work. One modification I did was replace the head, I could not stand the Index head with out a rapid quill, I made an adaptor and put a J head on mine.
This is fantastic. I picked up a Gorton 9J 3HP (best guess at Manufacturing Date is 1948) mill back in July 2022 and I hope to restore that over the next few years. Love this content as it'll help me figure out what the hell I'm doing.
Interesting! This will be a great series, and you’ll end up with a “vintage” (= “of good and rare quality”) workshop. And this I’ll DOESN’T have around column! Thanks for the continued stories of your shop - always worth watching. Les in UK
Looks like this is going to be an interesting project. You are going to need a bigger shop if you keep this up. Those pins would be easier to get out if you got yourself a left handed hammer. 😂 Thanks for the video looks like another great project.
The more I use this mill the better I like it... Very good mill. My only complaint is the lead screws. My round column mill had screws that were .100" per turn. the Index has a .200 per turn. I do like being able to move the table fast but it's hard to make small moves. I broke two 3/8" end mills the first day I used it. I was very used to the slower movement. From what I understand most mills are .200 per turn. I'm starting to get used to it but .100" would be better.
@@WinkysWorkshop . The first 55 my dad bought in 1980 was all new screws, ground and flaked ways… essentially it was brand new. But a common servo feed brand or Feedster brand was made for bridgeports. So my dad cut the feedster up into pieces and re-engineered ti work on the 55. It was really slick. The other two 55’s had table feeds built into the back of the mill with a transfer shaft. Those were really nice.
@@paulbfields8284 Somebody was going to give me one of those power feeds that mounted to the back of the mill but I decided not to accept it. That thing was huge! I'll eventually install a conventional feed.
I must correct you: that was not a bearing puller but a battery terminal puller. Likely Craftsman. I have one just like it! 😂 The machine looks like it will be a good one. Congratulations on “almost” 40k subscribers Mark!
Ha... you could be right about that. I have no idea where i got it. It seems to be very strong for the size. I need to get a couple of good pullers. Thanks, yeah 40K is wild!
Winky best way to clean the table is spray with wD 49 then use palm sander, place square of scotch brite and lay the palm sander on top. If works great with no effort. Repeat and will even remove stains from the metal.
I have the same mill also. I got it the 1980s. It came out of the Emblem bicycle factory Angola NY. You will be happy with it. Check out all the great stuff Jeramy makes things has done with his.
THIS is going to be a fun project! I need to take the table off my Lagun and replace the lead screw. I've been putting that off (for about 8 years so far). This is giving me some insight as to how to go about that.
@@cyclebuster sadly No, the Scraplife kinda took over, Twas always a retirement project and I figured the money I get from the scrap will buy future tooling. But Winkys project has got me fired up again.
Hi Mark. CONGRATULATIONS! This machine does not look very heavy maintenance friendly. Mainly 'put together and forget' sort of design. Did n't stop you though. I'm looking forward to the rest of this series.
You don't have the equipment to make that gear because it's a worm. But besides, why would anybody ever want to turn the head past horizontal? The only reason might be to lower the center of gravity for moving. Suggest after broaching, braze up (or press in brass dowel pins) to stop the next guy from accidently rotating into the broken teeth. I know this is going to be a beautiful machine when you get done with it. The interesting thing will be if you decide to replace your bench mill or not. Will ride along.
Actually the motor and belt shroud will hit the side of the mill before the head can rotate far enough for the worm to get to the broken teeth. Thanks, I'm getting excited about using the mill. I'll sell the RF30 mill. I don't have the space for 2 mills and this one will do what I need.
Hi Mark, just a thought. Do your cameras have a manual audio setting? If so you may wish to try using it and reduce the effect of the automatic gain control boosting the background and amplifier noise during the quiet bits. If not, well, don't worry, it's no big deal. The wind chimes do a good job at any rate.
Hmmm... Interesting. I never noticed this before but I turned the volume up and heard it. This is a lapel mic. I've had 3 of them and this one seems to be the best. I'm not sure about the camera setting with this mic but I can probably filter it out with my editor.
I recently found myself the same model (40 3565) and I’m also restoring it. It made me laugh to find the wasps nest in the exact same spot as mine. Good luck I’m halfway done on mine, I have it completely apart and my garage is a big mess now.
@@WinkysWorkshop My model 40 was originally blue. Sold in Los Angeles by Dayton &Bakewell dist. to the U.S. Navy. I was able to get the original sales receipt from Wells-Index if you’re interested. Mine was bought on 5/17/1950. Thanks for your videos, I wish I recorded my journey as well as you are. Keep it up!
@@alkabroni3992 I may need to check with them and see when mine was sold. It would be interesting to know the history. Mine was for sure gray.. a couple of times... Ha
I also have 2 of those Index mills in my shop. Totally rebuilt one. And in the process of rebuilding the other. I've got a couple of questions. Do you have the intermediate pulleys? I didn't see them. What taper is the spindle? If it's the Brown & Sharpe taper, Wells Index can regrind it to an R8. But, their prices have gone up & it's not cheap. I had my 1st one done 15 years ago. Here's a little tip that will make it a better machine. When you took the table cranks off, you should have found fiber washers that Index used for thrust bearings. I ordered some needle bearings & washers from McMaster Carr. Way smoother to operate. I'm not sure how CZcams operates. But, I know these machines inside/out & if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Yes it has the intermediate pulley. It might have been missing in the video. I removed it when i was lifting the mill. It let me run a strap though the belt shroud and around the top casting. OH!!! That thrust bearing is a GREAT idea! The tables move nice but the thrust bearing would be a lot better. Thanks! You can send me an email at winkysworkshop at GMX dot com.
That tag on the side of the machine that says Hoffman Marquard my father was their top sales rep for that company he worked for them for 35 years if you do decide to sandblast that would you be willing to part with that tag??
Hmmm... Interesting. I'm not sandblasting it but will be removing the tags and replacing it after painting. I kind of wanted to keep the tag. It's part of the history of the machine. Sorry.
Hello, I am Cyclebuster AKA Gary, i have the 40h on here. IF you need to duplicate that set of brass nuts i would help fund the project as i need an X axis nut, mine has a bit more wear then i like, but its still useable.
I'll keep this in mind however, somebody has replace both of them on this mill. I don't think they had much backlash. In the future I may address this if needed. Send me a message at winkysworkshop at GMX with NUT as the topic and I'll contact you if I make them.
what do you think would be a fair price to make one, since you have them on your bench. I can live with the Y axis, it seems this machine did most of its work on the X axis.
@@cyclebuster If you are wanting me to make them I'm not really interested at this point. If I make some for mine I'll give you a good deal. The price for bronze is crazy high. Mcmaster carr might have a nut that could be adapted. That would be the first thing to check.
@@WinkysWorkshop i took the x and y handles off and adjusted them and its one hand easy now to move both planes, but its still a bit shaky, i think the old owners tried to tighten them up to stop he head shake, I guess i will look for new nuts. $900 at Index. Its not that bad really, if you lock the other unused axis so it shakes in the work plane. I am sure there are working mills with 3x the play mine has. Its also probably exaggerated by the tall vice, its on a rotary table. Are you going to do a show paint job? mine is war grey, but i would love to make it dental white flowing seamlessly... But for now she works.
Another fine project you have gotten into Sir Winky.
Haha... sir winky, thanks
Somebody's gonna run out of shop space at this rate... Already hooked on this series.. Don👍
I have this all calculated. I sold the MIG welder and as soon as the mill is finished I'll sell the RF30 mill.
Love it, looking forward to seeing you tidy it up.
Me too... I'm looking forward to using it
Looking forward to this one!
Me too! Ha
Well, we just never know what’s going to follow you home. This looks like it could still do good work if all the parts are intact or repairable. We’re not quite ready to make that determination yet but I have faith that if it can be fixed, you will get it fixed. Best of luck once again. You left us wanting more, which is how it’s supposed to work. Good job! 🥸👍🔨🔧👀✅
Thanks Joe! I think it;s going to be a good machine. Lots of work however.
That lead screw handle is a work of art
I know... the whole mill is.
Saving a good old machine is a fun and rewarding venture ! Enjoyed Mark , nice job ..👍👍
I totally agree, thanks
@@WinkysWorkshop for sure..
Another cool old machine. I think machine restoration is probably the most fun and satisfying part of our hobby.
I totally agree
Well, that should keep you out of trouble for a year or so. Have fun!
Another great project! Looking forward to seeing it run!!
Thanks, me too!
I have a wells index 747 mill made in 1974..II love it.The support you will get from wells is great..Give them a call and they can help with parts as well as drawings....
That's great to know. Right now I'd like to know a little more about the spindle bearings and how to lubricate everything plus the original motor wiring. maybe I'll call them monday.
What a nice old mill I like it, It will come really nice great job so far.
I think it will be a good one, Thanks!
Mr Winky,think you love bringing these old girls back to life, good on yer, great viewing
Yes I do! Thanks
Guess this means the cataract lathe is on the back burner, lol, I actually drove to Benton, Illinois to get my cataract lathe and accessories, Never heard of a Wells brand, looks great. Ready for the next episode, Thanks.
Postponed but not forgotten! Thanks.
Thanks for your hard work disassembling this vintage machine so we could learn how it’s made. I’m looking forward to it completed like your beautiful old Avey.
Me too, thanks. I think I'll go with the original colors on this one.
I can’t wait to follow this project. I’m a little jealous.
It's going to be a lot of work but fun too!
Nice old machine. It’s construction methods remind me of the Brown and Sharp #0 I have in the shop. Surprising how many features those old machines offered.
It's like a puzzle but yes, amazing.
Looks like a fun project... That's an interesting mill with classy styling. Nice find Mark, I'll be following along...see you next episode.
ATB....
Thanks, I think it will be a good one!
Looking forward to this series. I have a Index 40 mill. Which is a Wells Index before Wells bought them. Mine is pre 1941. Need to replace the lead screws and nuts on it. Wells Index is still in business in Kalamazoo, Michigan. You can contact them for information and might still have some parts. There are very helpful.
I knew they were still in business... not sure about parts but that would be a plus. Mine is a 1950 according the the serial number but the casting for the belt shroud has a date that says 1955.
Muskegon
@@cyclebuster Your Right. Brain Fart. I use to live in Muskegon. Thanks for the correction.
Love it, bring a new life to old parts and machines
I agree. I love using an old machine after restoring plus you learn a lo about the machine.
Thanks for another amazing video.
Glad you liked it, Thanks
Oh yes, this looks like a good project. A long many part series if we're lucky.
At least three parts I'd say... it is a big project!
Been wanting to buy a mill and an Index 40 sold before I knew much about them last year at a decent price. Guess it just wasn’t meant to be yet 🤷🏼♂️
I enjoy your videos sir 👍🏻
The fact that this one is a little smaller and single phase makes it a good choice for sure.
Winky, fixing that hoist to your roof beam was probably the best thing you ever did when doing the drilling machine, sure came in useful again. Looking great. Regards from Australia.
Yeah, that's a deck I built 10 years ago. I used 2x10's in pairs 4 inches apart that span 10 feet. I'm not sure what the load limits are but I would not be afraid to lift a few tons. My chain hoist is 2 ton right now that's the limiter. I've lifted 3 lathes, 2 mills, a big drill press and a few other small things. The cool part is that I can drive my truck under the deck, lift it up and drive out from under what I lift. I used the machine the movers I built under the mill. They worked perfect. I was concerned about the 2" wheels rolling but it was easy to move.
That's a lovely old mill, Mark! I can only imagine how great it will look and run when you restore it. You surprised us with this one! Next episode, maybe you can fill us in on the Wells band, why you bought it, the level of restoration you plan on, whether it will be used a lot, and what for.
I'll probably use it about the same as my other mill with a little more pride :o) I did'nt have any preference for Wells Index, it just appeared on Facebook Market Place. It was the right combination of small, old and cheap. It's even single phase.
I wish I’d of apprenticed under you, 44 years ago. I had three grumpy geezers that never spoke to me for my first year. Your awesome
Well... Thanks you sir!
Now you went and done it! Very cool. I drove up to WV to drop off the Lagun Monday and Tuesday.
I’m super excited to watch your new project. Right up my alley for what I like. Thanks!
That's great. Hopefully it turns out well. It should, it's a "wells" index. Hehe
Cheers from Central Florida, looking like a great project....cheers, Paul
Thanks Paul
Congratulations Mark you bought yourself a knee mill. It doesn't look like it has alot of wear. I couldn't see any by eye on the leadscrew that you cleaned up. Nice size for the homeshop to.
Thanks, Yeah I think it's in good shape and definitely the perfect size. Single phase too.
This'll be a fun long series.
Probably 3 or 4 part. It's moving fairly fast although i have a few obstacles still. The motor might need to be replaced and it needs a bearing. It might be a wiring issue or capacitor but it starts slowly. I'm not sure how it's supposed to be hooked up but there is no reverse. Somebody has changed the wiring but the motor looks original.
I have a feeling this is going to be even better than the Avey restomod! Can't wait to see this as it progresses.
I think it will be a great machine. It's more complex than the drill press for sure.
@@WinkysWorkshop Absolutely! And you will handily keep all of us entertained with your skills and talents! Looking forward to this series
Thanks!
I truly thought you were going to be fighting that frozen head for weeks! I take my hat off to you, great job. So glad you started this project. This should be really interesting. I have to admit to you I was a little let down when you finished the drill press, loved that series so much! Keep ‘‘em coming! Easy for me to say! lol
I really like the drill press too but I'm glad it's finished. Maybe the mill work out just as well... Or wells... Wells Index that is!
I have a model 40 also, and I love it The base is light enough that when stripped down it could go in my basement. I have a Bridgeport also, but I use the Index most of the time because it moves easily for hobby work. One modification I did was replace the head, I could not stand the Index head with out a rapid quill, I made an adaptor and put a J head on mine.
Rapid like a drill press? I think the quill will move plenty fast for my needs. I use a drill press for almost all drilling anyway.
I picked up a model 40 Index last year myself so I look forward to this. "Jeremy Makes Things" is rebuilding his Index 40 also.
I need to go check out Jeremy and see how he is doing. Good luck with your mill.
Congrats, but looks like a lot of work. We're pullin' for ya! Cheers!
It is a lot of work but it's coming along quite well. Mostly everything is heavy!
This is fantastic. I picked up a Gorton 9J 3HP (best guess at Manufacturing Date is 1948) mill back in July 2022 and I hope to restore that over the next few years. Love this content as it'll help me figure out what the hell I'm doing.
I was also looking at a Gorton... but it was smaller.
Thanks for sharing
For sure!
Nice mill you got there man . Can't wait for it to take shape .
Thanks, I think it will be a good one too!
Interesting! This will be a great series, and you’ll end up with a “vintage” (= “of good and rare quality”) workshop. And this I’ll DOESN’T have around column! Thanks for the continued stories of your shop - always worth watching. Les in UK
Thanks Les, I'll be selling the round column mill as soon as this one is running.
Another nice addion to the Shop!^^
For sure!
Nice find. Hard find here in Canada. I’m sure you will get it back to original working condition. Aaron from Canada. I enjoy your program.
Thanks!
Looks like this is going to be an interesting project. You are going to need a bigger shop if you keep this up. Those pins would be easier to get out if you got yourself a left handed hammer. 😂 Thanks for the video looks like another great project.
Haha... so true. Where do you get those left handed hammers?
Beautiful mill
Thanks. I think it will be a good one
Owned three model 55’s.. served my apprenticeship on them.. wish I had them back..
The more I use this mill the better I like it... Very good mill. My only complaint is the lead screws. My round column mill had screws that were .100" per turn. the Index has a .200 per turn. I do like being able to move the table fast but it's hard to make small moves. I broke two 3/8" end mills the first day I used it. I was very used to the slower movement. From what I understand most mills are .200 per turn. I'm starting to get used to it but .100" would be better.
@@WinkysWorkshop . The first 55 my dad bought in 1980 was all new screws, ground and flaked ways… essentially it was brand new. But a common servo feed brand or Feedster brand was made for bridgeports. So my dad cut the feedster up into pieces and re-engineered ti work on the 55. It was really slick. The other two 55’s had table feeds built into the back of the mill with a transfer shaft. Those were really nice.
@@paulbfields8284 Somebody was going to give me one of those power feeds that mounted to the back of the mill but I decided not to accept it. That thing was huge! I'll eventually install a conventional feed.
I never knew the 40 was that much smaller than my 645 Index pretty good size mill for a garage shop though .Be cool to see it up and running
Yes I agree. This is a perfect size for my shop.
I must correct you: that was not a bearing puller but a battery terminal puller. Likely Craftsman. I have one just like it! 😂
The machine looks like it will be a good one. Congratulations on “almost” 40k subscribers Mark!
I also have one just like it. Had it for a lot of years. Probably bought it back in the 1970s.
@@mikewatson4644 I have used it for gears more than terminals 😅
Ha... you could be right about that. I have no idea where i got it. It seems to be very strong for the size. I need to get a couple of good pullers. Thanks, yeah 40K is wild!
Winky best way to clean the table is spray with wD 49 then use palm sander, place square of scotch brite and lay the palm sander on top. If works great with no effort. Repeat and will even remove stains from the metal.
Evaporust took it all off. I made a tank and dropped it in. The only negative is I had to have 4 gallons.
@@WinkysWorkshop yes it does work but it’s expensive for sure
I have the same mill also. I got it the 1980s. It came out of the Emblem bicycle factory Angola NY. You will be happy with it. Check out all the great stuff Jeramy makes things has done with his.
I didn't know Jeromy had the same mill. Yeah... I'm looking forward to using it!
You've got your shop cleaned up? That makes one of us! lol
I understand. It's a constant effort but if I don't stop and clean up I can not find the tools I need.
THIS is going to be a fun project! I need to take the table off my Lagun and replace the lead screw. I've been putting that off (for about 8 years so far). This is giving me some insight as to how to go about that.
I'm guessing they are similar.
I work as a millwright and I made a slide hammer that is welded on a vise grip it helps a lot when I can’t pry on something
That would help.
That bed makes it look like the mill was never used. (At least for sure never abused.)
It's in fairly good shape but it does have one groove from a 3/8" end mill. It's off to one side so not a big deal.
Nice to see an Index, I did a vid series sadly I haven’t yet reassembled it, hoping to pick a few tips up off your project.
I'd love to see the video when you finish.
@@WinkysWorkshop I should have said mines a 40 H.
Still not together Ian? i watched as much of yours as i could.
@@cyclebuster sadly No, the Scraplife kinda took over, Twas always a retirement project and I figured the money I get from the scrap will buy future tooling. But Winkys project has got me fired up again.
@@Man-in-da-shed Haul thine ass to the shop!! these are getting really rare and still fully functional
Hi Mark. CONGRATULATIONS! This machine does not look very heavy maintenance friendly. Mainly 'put together and forget' sort of design. Did n't stop you though. I'm looking forward to the rest of this series.
It's been a puzzle to get apart but aside from the gear there is always a way to do it. it's just a matter of figuring out how.
Greate milling machine!
Thanks, it works fantastic.
Hi Mark, this sure looks like an interesting piece to restore. Looking forward to your progress and finished prize.
Thanks Ray, it will be a lot of work but worthwhile.
Too bad you're not in California Mark. I'd give you a great deal on my Model 55!
I suspect this one will work out well. It seems to be in good shape although very dirty!
Nice mill, I love to watch restoration videos. When you are ready to sell your RF 30 I may be interested.
Thanks, I think it's already sold.
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Thanks!
Clean Machine.....
Ha... now!
I think your bearing puller is for battery terminals. But whatever works, works!
I'd say you're correct. I need to invest in something a little better.
How did you come about knowing where this was for sale? I never seem to find anything like that near me!! Nice find!!
Ha,they are NEVER close. I drove 220 miles to get it. I found it on Facebook Market Place.
You don't have the equipment to make that gear because it's a worm. But besides, why would anybody ever want to turn the head past horizontal? The only reason might be to lower the center of gravity for moving. Suggest after broaching, braze up (or press in brass dowel pins) to stop the next guy from accidently rotating into the broken teeth. I know this is going to be a beautiful machine when you get done with it. The interesting thing will be if you decide to replace your bench mill or not. Will ride along.
Actually the motor and belt shroud will hit the side of the mill before the head can rotate far enough for the worm to get to the broken teeth. Thanks, I'm getting excited about using the mill. I'll sell the RF30 mill. I don't have the space for 2 mills and this one will do what I need.
Hi Mark, just a thought. Do your cameras have a manual audio setting? If so you may wish to try using it and reduce the effect of the automatic gain control boosting the background and amplifier noise during the quiet bits. If not, well, don't worry, it's no big deal. The wind chimes do a good job at any rate.
Hmmm... Interesting. I never noticed this before but I turned the volume up and heard it. This is a lapel mic. I've had 3 of them and this one seems to be the best. I'm not sure about the camera setting with this mic but I can probably filter it out with my editor.
I recently found myself the same model (40 3565) and I’m also restoring it. It made me laugh to find the wasps nest in the exact same spot as mine. Good luck I’m halfway done on mine, I have it completely apart and my garage is a big mess now.
It has WAY more parts that I ever imagined! Ha... I have two more videos and making a final part 4 now... Hooking up the motor!
@@WinkysWorkshop My model 40 was originally blue. Sold in Los Angeles by Dayton &Bakewell dist. to the U.S. Navy. I was able to get the original sales receipt from Wells-Index if you’re interested. Mine was bought on 5/17/1950. Thanks for your videos, I wish I recorded my journey as well as you are. Keep it up!
@@alkabroni3992 I may need to check with them and see when mine was sold. It would be interesting to know the history. Mine was for sure gray.. a couple of times... Ha
@@WinkysWorkshop Ha. A few layers never hurt nobody.
I also have 2 of those Index mills in my shop. Totally rebuilt one. And in the process of rebuilding the other. I've got a couple of questions. Do you have the intermediate pulleys? I didn't see them. What taper is the spindle? If it's the Brown & Sharpe taper, Wells Index can regrind it to an R8. But, their prices have gone up & it's not cheap. I had my 1st one done 15 years ago. Here's a little tip that will make it a better machine. When you took the table cranks off, you should have found fiber washers that Index used for thrust bearings. I ordered some needle bearings & washers from McMaster Carr. Way smoother to operate. I'm not sure how CZcams operates. But, I know these machines inside/out & if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Yes it has the intermediate pulley. It might have been missing in the video. I removed it when i was lifting the mill. It let me run a strap though the belt shroud and around the top casting. OH!!! That thrust bearing is a GREAT idea! The tables move nice but the thrust bearing would be a lot better. Thanks! You can send me an email at winkysworkshop at GMX dot com.
It has a B&S taper but also has a ER40 adapter. Interesting about the R8 regrinding. The ER suit me however. I have a full set.
what is the number for those bearings, when i replace my table nuts i will do this
I rebuilt my 1963 Rockwell 21-100 mill. When the ram came out, it tried to cut off my hand.
not good!
looks like it is going to turn into a full restoration. Does it take ER30 or ER40 collets?
Yeah... its an odd taper but the adapter is ER40
The Model 40 uses B&B #9 taper.
@@cpcoark Thanks, I couldn't remember what it was but all be using ER40 with it. Did you mean B&S?
That tag on the side of the machine that says Hoffman Marquard my father was their top sales rep for that company he worked for them for 35 years if you do decide to sandblast that would you be willing to part with that tag??
Hmmm... Interesting. I'm not sandblasting it but will be removing the tags and replacing it after painting. I kind of wanted to keep the tag. It's part of the history of the machine. Sorry.
That's okay I got pictures of it are you close to St Louis?
@@izzynutz2000 KY
Did you take the big pieces to the sand blaster? Say hello to your bride for me?
I don't think I will sand blast this one... probably a lot of sanding and a bit o filling. They put s ton of filler over the castings
Hello, I am Cyclebuster AKA Gary, i have the 40h on here. IF you need to duplicate that set of brass nuts i would help fund the project as i need an X axis nut, mine has a bit more wear then i like, but its still useable.
I'll keep this in mind however, somebody has replace both of them on this mill. I don't think they had much backlash. In the future I may address this if needed. Send me a message at winkysworkshop at GMX with NUT as the topic and I'll contact you if I make them.
what do you think would be a fair price to make one, since you have them on your bench. I can live with the Y axis, it seems this machine did most of its work on the X axis.
@@cyclebuster If you are wanting me to make them I'm not really interested at this point. If I make some for mine I'll give you a good deal. The price for bronze is crazy high. Mcmaster carr might have a nut that could be adapted. That would be the first thing to check.
@@WinkysWorkshop i took the x and y handles off and adjusted them and its one hand easy now to move both planes, but its still a bit shaky, i think the old owners tried to tighten them up to stop he head shake, I guess i will look for new nuts. $900 at Index. Its not that bad really, if you lock the other unused axis so it shakes in the work plane. I am sure there are working mills with 3x the play mine has. Its also probably exaggerated by the tall vice, its on a rotary table. Are you going to do a show paint job? mine is war grey, but i would love to make it dental white flowing seamlessly... But for now she works.
@@cyclebuster Yeah... I'm working on the paint now. Sandblasting would have been much easier but fixed the old paint job. It will look good.